**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 11 02:59:58 2013 Jan 11 03:01:55 freedom of joyce! Jan 11 03:02:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU Jan 11 03:02:46 n8 Jan 11 03:04:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t141cliSLHY for sweet deams Jan 11 03:06:02 see ya:) Jan 11 03:39:37 ok, probably too much :-P Jan 11 03:43:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQZ-VVkVu4 Jan 11 05:20:17 DocScrutinizer05: do you have images that people can flash their n900s to, to bring it to a special state/config? Jan 11 05:36:48 Anyone here use packet injection with their N900? I ran into a strange issue that I was able to reproduce twice, but had never seen it before, and am trying to figure it out. Jan 11 06:48:33 Snafu777: Yes, but never had issues... Jan 11 08:25:03 internetishard: nope, since downgrading is impossible on HARM Jan 11 08:26:06 but... he said n900 Jan 11 08:26:22 ooops Jan 11 08:26:29 later, then Jan 11 09:38:10 DocScrutinizer05: screen's broken Jan 11 09:38:25 so BT sync is unusable Jan 11 09:38:36 that leaves rescueOS Jan 11 09:41:24 :-( Jan 11 09:43:13 I'm not so worried about the data on the n900 Jan 11 09:43:33 just the intense laboring required to key in into the n9 Jan 11 09:48:36 btw, how does g_nokia usbnet work? Jan 11 09:48:53 how does it compare to g_ether? Jan 11 09:49:15 I noticed windows doesn't like the former for actual networking Jan 11 09:49:41 rescueOS g_ether doesn't seem to work either Jan 11 09:56:25 jon_y, g_nokia working, but you need OS with cdc ether driver Jan 11 09:59:49 Pali: I guess windows is out? Jan 11 10:00:13 yes, sorry but windows has no proper networking support... Jan 11 10:01:42 Pali: ok, modern Debian/ubuntu has it ootb? Jan 11 10:02:06 yes, should have Jan 11 10:03:33 ok, thanks Jan 11 10:50:05 guys, has been pulseaudio protocol version upped recently in any cssu version ? Jan 11 10:53:30 to remove the limit on protocol up to v15 ? Jan 11 10:55:13 amospalla, there is patch for that in cssu-devel Jan 11 11:08:10 Pali: thanks pali, does that mean that is currently on latest cssu-devel? or is a proposed patch ? Jan 11 11:14:30 amospalla look at http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/ Jan 11 11:14:47 luf is commenting it right now at #maemo-ssu Jan 11 11:15:47 amospalla, patch for support any PA protocol version is already in cssu-devel repo Jan 11 11:16:08 if you have cssu-devel installed, then you have patched PA Jan 11 11:17:49 Pali: that's great, thanks again Jan 11 11:18:06 I tested network via desktop pulseaudio and it worked Jan 11 11:18:22 sound from desktop was played in n900 speakers... Jan 11 16:16:06 looking for a way to reflash completely... Wiki is a bit confusing. So I take the vanilla image, run the command, then run the command with -R parameter.. and then what? Run the command for COMBINED image with -R parameter, right? Jan 11 16:22:58 Sysaxed: no you flash the VANILLA without the -R parameter then flash the COMBINED with or without -R parameter Jan 11 16:23:27 "with or without" Jan 11 16:24:07 which means? Jan 11 16:24:15 if you want it to reboot after the flash you put a -R and conversely if you want to do a manual boot-up you don't put a -R Jan 11 16:29:04 thedead1440, ok... that's very simple Jan 11 16:29:15 indeed Jan 11 16:29:49 thanks :) Jan 11 16:29:57 np Jan 11 17:10:36 the key thing is to not allow full boot between flashing the two images Jan 11 17:12:05 The order is debated and swaps around in wiki periodically ;) Jan 11 17:13:11 working system -> flash emmc -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system Jan 11 17:13:32 working system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system Jan 11 17:14:39 working system -> flash emmc -> reboot -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system Jan 11 17:15:43 first boot takes ages. Data gets moved from rootfs to emmc on first boot. From this follows that if you then flash emmc, that data is lost and system broken. :) Jan 11 17:44:50 jon_y: rescueOS also has wifi, mind you Jan 11 18:20:13 wtf is maemo.merlin1991.at ? Jan 11 18:20:30 inet site? Jan 11 18:21:47 merlin1991's site Jan 11 18:22:07 this catalog is listed but disabled after installing cssu testing: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ Jan 11 18:48:14 does anyone know the most recent up to date STABLE kernel that supports packet injection? Jan 11 18:48:36 pk52 doesnt :oo ? Jan 11 18:49:40 Well I've got a choice of two kernels Jan 11 18:49:50 but one DRAINED my battery something fierce the other day Jan 11 18:50:01 never seen it happen before, and i had used it before Jan 11 18:50:07 So i wanted to see if there was an upgraded version Jan 11 18:50:13 do u use that wepon script? Jan 11 18:50:17 No Jan 11 18:50:22 I use PwnPhone Jan 11 18:50:27 hmm Jan 11 18:50:32 Just want to make sure i have the most recent and updated kernel Jan 11 18:50:36 hopefully it fixed the weird bug Jan 11 18:51:07 A lot of blogs say to use: Jan 11 18:51:08 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 Jan 11 18:51:11 blah, wrong poist Jan 11 18:51:18 hmm, i'm running kp50, and after running wepon, wepoff doesnt do much, i have to restart n900 or battery will drain in few hours Jan 11 18:51:41 I was running 46 Jan 11 18:51:42 Never had a drain issue Jan 11 18:51:46 But all of the sudden it died Jan 11 18:51:52 now there is a kp51 Jan 11 18:51:57 Curious if anyone has used it Jan 11 18:52:25 when kp50 came out its post mentioned that injection drivers were updated for it Jan 11 18:52:45 never read anything about kp after that, havnt been keeping upto date on it Jan 11 18:53:17 But with kp50, yer battery does drain in a couple hours eh? Jan 11 18:53:32 yes, if i launch the wepon script Jan 11 18:54:00 Interesting Jan 11 18:54:02 Thanks =) Jan 11 18:54:47 wtf is wepon Jan 11 18:55:30 I believe hes talking about a script that got released to turn on and off packet injection modules Jan 11 18:55:47 i think it runs wifite script to attack wep secured wifi networks Jan 11 18:56:14 I prefer manual usage with aircrack-ng for hacking things Jan 11 18:56:22 Im just trying to get a kernel that doesnt drain the battery to high heaven Jan 11 19:00:09 So aside from ummmm, does anyone in here use packet injection with their N900? Jan 11 19:03:07 obviously. Jan 11 19:04:30 Which kernel do u use Sicelo ? Jan 11 19:04:40 Im reading some issues with KP51 about heat and charge Jan 11 19:04:58 Trying to find a kernel that supports injection while not killing the battery when the injection is not being used Jan 11 19:04:59 I used 46 forever Jan 11 19:05:04 but recently, noticed it DRAINED powe Jan 11 19:05:05 r Jan 11 19:05:14 i don't use injection Jan 11 19:05:29 Ah Jan 11 19:05:42 Do you perhaps know the file that lists the current voltage and wattage the battery is pulling? Jan 11 19:05:46 That would be real helpful Jan 11 19:06:11 get bq27200.sh script Jan 11 19:19:20 I'd say pk51 is gentler on battery than stock kernel Jan 11 19:20:27 and as a bonus, pk51 uses 80mA less power when on charger compared to PR1.3 Jan 11 19:22:51 charger=wallcharger? Jan 11 19:24:31 kerio, http://code.google.com/p/wifite/ Jan 11 19:24:51 wepon script uses this Jan 11 19:25:02 fastlane`: i don't really care about scriptkid tools Jan 11 19:25:46 hmm, dont know what to say to that, it launches i wifite, thats all i wanted to tell, Jan 11 19:25:47 kerio; yes Jan 11 19:31:53 wifite sucks Jan 11 19:32:01 aircrack-ng all the way Jan 11 21:28:52 Friendly neighborhood community councilmember here: Reggie says he'll be ready to move TMO from current server to the Hildon Foundation infrastructure on the 16th of this month (Wednesday), at which point there will be some downtime while the DNS changes propagate. Just announcing it here so if anyone has strong objections against that date, can speak up. Jan 11 21:29:42 please keep in mind we want to put old tmo into r/o mode as soon as new one goes active, so they won't go outa sync Jan 11 21:30:05 Thank you Joerg. Jan 11 21:30:28 actually the procedure is: r/o old tmo, copy, start new tmo Jan 11 21:30:49 so there will be some hours downtime at least Jan 11 21:31:25 or rather: r/o time Jan 11 21:31:33 MentalistTraceur, if possible, reduce the TTL for the talk.maemo.org DNS today, so that when the move happens, the DNS changes propagate faster Jan 11 21:31:53 ShadowJK: we have no control over DNs yet Jan 11 21:32:10 Well you'll need it before 16th, surely.. Jan 11 21:32:14 still with Nokia Jan 11 21:33:45 yep, Nemein informed us of a mail they got from Nokia that DNS issues are moving and it will only take a few days now until stuff got sorted. I suggest to wait with fixing a date for tmo migration until that DNS issue is actually sorted or at least a date is given from Nokia Jan 11 21:34:17 MentalistTraceur: ^^^ Jan 11 21:34:42 So it's january, and I guess reggie didn't get sponsored for this month by nokia anymore? Jan 11 21:34:54 MentalistTraceur: Eero is the one to talk to about date of switching Jan 11 21:35:15 the server of Reggie is running and paid til 20.1. Jan 11 21:35:32 DocScrutinizer05, feel free to add that to the e-mail exchange going on with the Council and Board mailing lists. Jan 11 21:35:44 until then migration of data has to get finished Jan 11 21:35:45 Or I can mention it for you if you'd like. Jan 11 21:36:04 yes, please do, I'm not really online Jan 11 21:36:09 (flu) Jan 11 21:39:29 MentalistTraceur: wait, Reggie said he's going to migrate the data this weekend? so we already should expect tmo to go r/o this weekend, unless Reggie plans to resync immediately before switching DNS Jan 11 21:40:05 otherwise posts to old tmo would miss on new one and thus get lost Jan 11 21:40:10 good it'll be free week the next one :D Jan 11 21:41:13 the latter obviously the best procedure Jan 11 21:42:14 Honestly, Joerg, that would be my guess (that he'd do a resync), but I don't know for sure. Jan 11 21:42:18 I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record Jan 11 21:42:43 (After all, Reggie is a good admin from what I know, I'm sure he knows what he's doing.) Jan 11 21:43:00 I think so Jan 11 21:43:45 but we have no control over DNS yet, so please don't propagate Wednesday as migration day Jan 11 21:44:12 unless Nokia promises that Wednesday we can actually do the DNS change Jan 11 21:45:16 Hey Reggie, glad you could get on. Joerg has comments. Jan 11 21:45:30 or Reggie insists in Wednesday, in which case we'd need to keep old tmo in r/o mode from then on (we do anyway), and offer users to access new tmo via interim-DNS Jan 11 21:46:24 Specifically that Nemein informed us that Nokia informed them that the DNS issue on their end is finally moving, and we should wait until we get a date from them (presumably for when we get control over the DNS) before setting a date to migrate. Jan 11 21:48:00 2013-01-11 19:20:16] ivgalvez: I got a reply from Nokia that the DNS thing has finally moved forward and "should be done in a few days" Jan 11 21:48:01 [2013-01-11 19:20:18] this was today. Jan 11 21:48:03 [ Jan 11 21:48:27 If we can get DNS control before wednesday, going with that plan is probably fine.. but if not, it'd be kinda disruptive... Plan B and Plan C suggestions? Jan 11 21:48:57 I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record Jan 11 21:49:03 plan A^^^ Jan 11 21:49:30 plan B: delay resync of plan A until we get DNS control Jan 11 21:50:03 plan C: delay same resync until 20.1., the date when Reggie's server goes out of business Jan 11 21:50:42 reggie__, are you actively on now? And if so, can you see the statements made while the "reggie_" user was connected? Jan 11 21:54:32 plan D: Reggie does the resync whenever he feels ok, and puts old tmo in r/o mode for that, and we have downtime / r/o-time via URL and new operational tmo is only available via: Jan 11 21:54:37 ~interim-dns Jan 11 21:54:38 it has been said that interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" Jan 11 21:55:13 Alright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with). Jan 11 21:55:28 s/)./)?/ Jan 11 21:55:30 MentalistTraceur meant: Alright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with)? Jan 11 21:56:16 I can't send emil right now Jan 11 21:56:20 email Jan 11 21:56:32 I meant by private message here on IRC. Jan 11 21:56:40 chanlog... Jan 11 21:56:44 sure Jan 11 21:56:51 True. Fair enough. Jan 11 21:57:10 (I just wasn't sure if he'd know to check it from what he does see) Jan 11 21:57:38 I'm not even sure this is our reggie Jan 11 21:58:19 and atm I don't see reggie in userlist Jan 11 21:58:27 (no join/part msgs here) Jan 11 21:58:52 DocScrutinizer05, in your /etc/hosts is missing mxr.maemo.org and also downloads.maemo.org Jan 11 21:59:01 Yeah... me neither. Alright, I'll email him with the highlights of this discussion. Anyway, I'll stay signed in, be back within the hour hopefully. Jan 11 21:59:12 Pali: mxr is ok, doesn't move Jan 11 21:59:23 where is mxr? Jan 11 21:59:44 on a server by timeless Jan 11 21:59:51 CNAME Jan 11 22:00:02 (Oh wait, yeah, I see his quit message. Was right after kerio joined) Jan 11 22:00:08 mxr.maemo.org. 35139 IN A 173.236.158.236 Jan 11 22:00:17 hmmm Jan 11 22:01:11 [2013-01-09 16:06:48] it's a cname for timeless.justdave.net Jan 11 22:01:12 [2013-01-09 16:06:56] which responds differently when you visit it by that hostname Jan 11 22:01:14 [2013-01-09 16:07:15] mhm Jan 11 22:01:15 [2013-01-09 16:07:33] but the host is justdave.net, not maemo.org? Jan 11 22:01:17 [2013-01-09 16:08:11] so I could consider it "safe" for now? Jan 11 22:01:18 [2013-01-09 16:10:22] timeless: ^^^ Jan 11 22:01:20 [2013-01-09 16:11:10] I.E. the server is not one of those Nokia will tear down soonish? Jan 11 22:01:21 [2013-01-09 16:11:22] right Jan 11 22:01:50 and http://maintenance.maemo.org/news ? Jan 11 22:02:44 DocScrutinizer05: maintenance.maemo.org and downloads.maemo.org Jan 11 22:02:56 Shouldn't we still add it in to whatever file is being discussed sooner rather than later, so it doesn't get forgotten until the DNS entry for it expires? Jan 11 22:03:48 what file? Jan 11 22:04:23 I would've assumed hf would get the full existing zone file for maemo.org... or do we have to start from scratch? Jan 11 22:04:33 Whatever file this referred to: " DocScrutinizer05, in your /etc/hosts is missing mxr.maemo.org and also downloads.maemo.org" Jan 11 22:04:44 Ah that's hacks Jan 11 22:05:13 Very well. I defer to your superior technical knowledge. Jan 11 22:06:05 /etc/hosts on your computer or N900 bypasses DNS. Some of the maemo.org servers have already been migrated to nemein, but the still nokia controlled DNS points browsers at the old servers hosted by Nokia. By editing that file, it's possible to test the new servers Jan 11 22:06:36 not hosted by nokia actually, was it logia or something, but paid by nokia.. Jan 11 22:08:23 As mxr.maemo.org is a CNAME entry, it means in DNS terms that when the browser asks for "mxr.maemo.org", it gets a reply saying "ask timeless.justdave.net", instead of getting an IP address. Amusingly this means that if all the Nokia sponsored servers go down, mxr.maemo.org will be the only thing that still works :-) Jan 11 22:10:36 mxr.maemo.org is not CNAME Jan 11 22:10:38 mxr.maemo.org. 34486 IN A 173.236.158.236 Jan 11 22:10:48 ShadowJK ^^^ Jan 11 22:10:56 run dig Jan 11 22:11:02 I actually understand the function of both /etc/hosts (on normal computers - I just did not know if the /etc/hosts being discussed was some special, unrelated-to-that-normal-functionality file). Jan 11 22:11:35 But thank you, the explanation would've been helpful if I was unaware of how it worked. Jan 11 22:11:38 :) Jan 11 22:11:57 (Ditto for CNAME DNS records) Jan 11 22:13:14 urgh Jan 11 22:13:45 why did timeless think it was a cname Jan 11 22:17:00 Question: Is there a way to make passwd use a password that's longer than 8 characters (i.e. not ignore everything beyond that)? Jan 11 22:17:22 Not trivially Jan 11 22:19:29 I mean, afaik it's the algorithm used to do the hashing that drops the characters after the 8th. And I know you can make it hash using a different algorithm by editing config file /etc/pam.d/passwd or something like that, but would doing that make it actually stop dropping the last 8 characters (which boils down to the question of 'is the passwd utility dropping the chars, or is it just passing the whole string to the Jan 11 22:19:30 hashing algorithm used")? Jan 11 22:20:22 I don't think pam is relevant on N900... Jan 11 22:20:32 like, do we even have /etc/shadow on it? Jan 11 22:20:38 nope Jan 11 22:20:43 right :) Jan 11 22:20:53 crypt()ed into passwd then? Jan 11 22:22:24 If someone held me at gunpoint I'd rewrite crypt in glibc to do this.. Jan 11 22:24:24 Who would I go annoy (kernel-power maintainer, someone else, would it need to be packaged into CSSU to distribute in a non-hacked way..?) to get the N900 to use /etc/shadow, and so forth? Jan 11 22:25:18 I guess what I'm asking is 'what do I have to go learn to modify/package to get it set up?' Jan 11 22:26:01 Well, it's a major change of the low level stuff. It's the kind big re-architecturing thing that is/was easier to do in Mer Jan 11 22:26:32 MentalistTraceur: anything that uses any system password Jan 11 22:27:06 and you're still not going to be able to fix 3rd party programs that assume that /etc/passwd holds the passwords Jan 11 22:28:01 hm... sshd and dropbox come to mind, any others? Jan 11 22:28:25 Ughghhr. Jan 11 22:28:25 dropbox? wtf Jan 11 22:28:33 why would dropbox care about user and root's passwords? Jan 11 22:28:53 to be fair, third-party programs apart for stuff like sshd shouldn't really care about passwd Jan 11 22:29:02 because there are no passwords in passwd in the standard fremantle Jan 11 22:29:31 Speaking of Mer, who made the decision to have it use rpm instead of deb? That was done in MeeGo before Mer forked from it, right? Jan 11 22:30:06 And more to the point of what I'm actually curious about, why was that done, if anyone knows? Jan 11 22:32:11 no wait, dropbox is that fielsharing thing Jan 11 22:32:21 what was the real name.. beardrop? Jan 11 22:32:24 Dropbear? Jan 11 22:32:27 the lightweight sshd thing... Jan 11 22:32:34 Yeah, dropbear. Jan 11 22:32:39 ah thx :) Jan 11 22:32:53 It has an ssh client and an scp program as well. Jan 11 22:33:05 It's not just a server. Jan 11 22:33:32 Mer was deb before MeeGo, then it went rpm when MeeGo came. iirc. Jan 11 22:34:00 power kernel increases boot time by 5 seconds. why? :) Jan 11 22:34:03 In the meanwhile they've worked hard on slimming their infrastructure to the point they can run everything on less than 300 bucks per month in hosting costs for everything. Jan 11 22:34:23 I guess they've not seen much reason to switch back :) Jan 11 22:34:29 Someone needs to figure out how to make one package manager compatible with the other package formats. Jan 11 22:34:38 is it just something getting loaded at boot time or a general performance slowdown? Jan 11 22:35:10 (The reason is that I'm used to .deb and I don't want to learn a new package format and the world naturally revolves around me.) Jan 11 22:35:22 I don't know any packaging format :) Jan 11 22:35:37 Sysaxed, I would suspect boot time Jan 11 22:36:14 ShadowJK, I have two identical devices Jan 11 22:36:36 boot time was exactly the same before installing power kernel on one of the devices Jan 11 22:36:53 I know .deb in that I know how to make .debs (not necessarily well), and that it's an archive produced by the 'ar' program, inside of which there are several .tar.gz files. Jan 11 22:37:01 powerkernel includes alot more drivers, so I would not be surprised if it took longer to initialize Jan 11 22:37:09 I would expect that runtime performance would be the same, though Jan 11 22:37:11 ShadowJK, oh, ok Jan 11 22:37:22 any benchmarking tool? Jan 11 22:37:40 Oh, except now it's sometimes .tar.xz files, which sucks, cuz the N900's ancient dpkg doesn't know how to use those. Jan 11 22:38:15 Getting maemo up to date would be an exciting project for sure, kinda what cordia tried/tries to do.. Jan 11 22:38:48 Well, Cordia is more of a 'make Mer look like Maemo', which I heartily approve of anyway. Jan 11 22:39:05 ShadowJK, you mean migrating to the latest debian packages? :O Jan 11 22:39:44 MentalistTraceur, I thought it was "Make hildon run on debian" thing Jan 11 22:40:38 Personally, I think we (as in the whole community) should all get together and start our own cell phone manufacturing company, producing devices with completely open-source phones. There's totally enough of an untapped market for that. Jan 11 22:41:11 well, really, I'd be very happy if it was possible to run debian on n900 with ability to make phone calls... Jan 11 22:41:15 ShadowJK, afair, Cordia has Mer at its core. I could of course be misremembering.... Jan 11 22:41:36 and I don't even need any special window manager Jan 11 22:41:50 why would I if I can use stylus... Jan 11 22:42:21 I guess deblet never reached phone capability Jan 11 22:42:33 sts did say it was rubbish battery life Jan 11 22:43:07 Okay, I'm going AFK like I said I was, now. Jan 11 22:43:54 MentalistTraceur, I often find I have this problem too with this channel. :) Jan 11 22:44:12 (Life has proven itself to be depressing and sad, for apparently getting the proper /etc/shadow -using setup on the N900 is difficult and outside my current time and abilities.) Jan 11 22:46:29 anybody? I need something to check the performance of my n900 devices. Any benchmark app? Jan 11 22:46:50 what performance? Jan 11 22:46:59 cpu I guess Jan 11 22:47:07 MentalistTraceur, it's pretty interesting how the "important things" varies between geeks :) Jan 11 22:47:12 Final remark before I go away for a bit: A. Sorry Sysaxed, don't know of any. B. What meaning is there to existance if one's password hashes are plainly available for the world to see? Jan 11 22:47:21 why do you need to check it? Jan 11 22:47:39 by default it runs up to 600mhz .. and thats definite Jan 11 22:48:32 cehteh, he's concerned because after installing power kernel, his boot time increased. Jan 11 22:48:53 can happen .. but thats not a cpu issue Jan 11 22:48:56 MentalistTraceur, shows the origins of a singleuser system, I guess Jan 11 22:49:00 cehteh, I have two devices configured identically. I want to see if anything changes after installing different things Jan 11 22:49:18 it most likely will more or less Jan 11 22:49:36 cehteh, so he's worried that htis isn't just slowing down boot time, but that it is slowing down everything Jan 11 22:50:15 dont worry, send me the devices, no problems for you at all :P Jan 11 22:51:30 One benchmark I used to use was "open news.bbc.co.uk in browser and wait for it to load"... but I have unlimited bandwidth.. without that, web benchmarks are a bit dangerous Jan 11 22:52:11 considering emmc and µSD latency and tracker and all other background stuff its hard to impossible to measure real-world performance in a reliable and reproducible way Jan 11 22:52:45 cpu wont be much of a bottleneck .. I/O and the lack of ram is Jan 11 22:54:03 My theory was that the boot time is slowed somewhat by the extra drivers that pk includes Jan 11 22:54:46 most probably Jan 11 22:55:01 dunno if there are patches for these, but just looking at dmesg gives you timestamps Jan 11 22:55:40 get the timestamp of the first entry when booting started and define some entry which defines that the boot has finished Jan 11 22:55:59 make a script substracting those and voila Jan 11 22:56:07 what for? Jan 11 22:56:15 starting devices simultaneously does the thing Jan 11 22:56:30 fine if that works for you Jan 11 22:56:56 why did you ask then? Jan 11 22:57:21 I'm asking how can I check the performance.. not the boot time... Jan 11 22:57:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49705 Jan 11 23:06:50 speaking of http://whatever, firefox is currently at 8138M vsz ram use and 5300M rss :-( I only have 8G ram :-( Jan 11 23:07:47 how on earth did browsers used to run on machines with 128MB of RAM? Jan 11 23:07:51 http://i.imgur.com/M8Nbl.jpg Jan 11 23:08:27 my Chromium chews 2GB too. what it the world coming to!? Jan 11 23:09:00 * nox- used to run Mosaic and later netscape in 32 MB RAM too... Jan 11 23:09:10 nox-: i'm not entirely sure that picture is legit Jan 11 23:09:20 hm Jan 11 23:09:35 makey you wonder yeah... Jan 11 23:09:44 makes even Jan 11 23:09:51 nox-, 32M for mosaic, that sounds luxurious Jan 11 23:10:00 hehe Jan 11 23:10:24 it was my first freebsd box at home, a 486 :) Jan 11 23:10:34 * ShadowJK remembers running Netscape2 on 8M. And THAT felt like luxury, because before that I was limited to Netscape 1 on 4M ram, and websites kept telling me to fuck off if I didn't have Netscape2 Jan 11 23:10:40 ShadowJK, my friend was using a laptop with 256 mb of ram only Jan 11 23:10:46 ShadowJK, XP as OS Jan 11 23:10:50 ShadowJK, it was just fine. Jan 11 23:10:58 firefox as web browser Jan 11 23:11:07 W2K on 256M is mostly fine too before you start skype and browser Jan 11 23:11:38 on crunchbang I was able to get in 256 mb limit with firefox and skype started Jan 11 23:11:44 ppl used to mock emacs, and now its browsers that are eight gigabytes and constantly swapping... Jan 11 23:11:57 nox-, aint that the truth Jan 11 23:12:09 *nod* Jan 11 23:12:21 I fired up 4 external USB harddrives and set me up a raid-0 swap to recover Jan 11 23:12:33 oh dear :) Jan 11 23:12:38 :) Jan 11 23:13:11 I had accidentally left a bad site open, I think it was gitorious, or some similar site Jan 11 23:13:20 and firefox had grown in size overnight Jan 11 23:18:58 firefox does that to every site i guess, just leaving stuff open and leaving them that way. Jan 11 23:19:12 with days it gets worse Jan 11 23:20:12 I run noscript usually Jan 11 23:20:26 but these were sites that refused to work without javascript so I had to enable :( Jan 11 23:20:38 oh Jan 11 23:20:41 and they ate my RAM and half of my 8gig swapfile. bastards. :-( Jan 11 23:20:50 sigh Jan 11 23:21:16 yea they always operate on a --no-mercy compiler switch :p Jan 11 23:22:37 I have a laptop with 1 gb RAM Jan 11 23:22:43 oh Jan 11 23:22:51 whats the processor Jan 11 23:22:55 and something was swapped only 3-4 times in my life on that pc Jan 11 23:23:17 so it's more than enough for running firefox, skype, dropbox, eclipse, blender Jan 11 23:23:25 My N900 can run the x86-emulator written in javascript, booting linux. My quad-core desktop is forced to its knees by what is essentially static text. There's something wrong with web. Jan 11 23:23:30 simultaneously, of course Jan 11 23:23:56 fastlane`, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2013-01-12-012347_1280x751_scrot.png Jan 11 23:24:21 Error (404) Jan 11 23:24:21 We can't find the page you're looking for. Check out our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home. Jan 11 23:30:13 fastlane`, sorry, my connection was lost halfway uploading a screenshot. check it again :) Jan 11 23:31:15 oh np, yes its accessible now Jan 11 23:37:52 fastlane`, by the way, why does it matter? Jan 11 23:43:11 it doesnt i guess Jan 11 23:43:45 My Atom 550 (iirc) machine has same web browser benchmark scores as my android tablet :/ Jan 11 23:44:05 My 2006 vintage AMD Sempron box beats them both by miles Jan 11 23:44:16 but with that ram, eclipse is not that ram friendly or is it? Jan 11 23:44:29 which android tab do u have? Jan 11 23:44:38 Asus TF700 Jan 11 23:44:43 hm Jan 11 23:44:58 Quad core tegra 3 @ 1.66 Ghz Jan 11 23:45:33 The Sempron 3100+ runs at 1.8GHz clock frequency, iirc. Jan 11 23:46:03 android is not that ram friendly i guess Jan 11 23:46:09 For h264 decoding, dual-core Atom 330 (@1.66Ghz) sometimes beats the sempron :) Jan 11 23:46:22 Android is ram-paranoid Jan 11 23:46:39 my friend has a nexus 3, and i start browsing couple of websites on chrome on android 4.2 i think Jan 11 23:46:56 and after a while, the website kind of page ot whatever Jan 11 23:47:00 or* Jan 11 23:47:14 give n900 1 gb ram :$ Jan 11 23:47:15 hehe Jan 11 23:47:16 If you switch tabs or switch app, it "forgets" the other apps or tabs Jan 11 23:47:26 true that ! Jan 11 23:47:34 It's really annoying Jan 11 23:47:52 Like, I open tabs so that I'd not have to suffer loading times Jan 11 23:47:58 and then it goes and discards the page anyway Jan 11 23:48:00 pisses me off Jan 11 23:48:04 N900 does better Jan 11 23:48:24 yes and then its like we r trying to kill these problems with faster n faster hardware, rather then doing something about it in the software ... but then i guess nothing more can be done as the wole system is running java Jan 11 23:48:35 nothing is deterministic in nature there Jan 11 23:48:51 fastlane`, eclipse is fine. 100-300 megs ram usage Jan 11 23:48:57 hm Jan 11 23:49:24 galaxy note 2 is supposed to FAST damn it Jan 11 23:49:34 but again, the same problems Jan 11 23:49:41 with 2gb ram Jan 11 23:49:57 fastlane`, java is not that slow really Jan 11 23:50:01 There's also this thing where anyhting that is not in foreground is suspended Jan 11 23:50:21 hmm, their own scheduling Jan 11 23:50:38 it's the basis of android's power saving strategy Jan 11 23:50:45 hm Jan 11 23:51:18 It effectively disables multitasking Jan 11 23:51:18 power saving my foot :p Jan 11 23:51:50 disables... I thought it was called "kills" Jan 11 23:52:11 is there a kill even? Jan 11 23:52:27 why wasnt just everything written in c Jan 11 23:52:45 I have a habbit of opening, say, theregister.co.uk, and then "open in new tab" every interesting article, switch to IRC to pass some time while browser loads, switch back... except browser has been paused while I've been ircing, and I STILL have to wait for shit to load Jan 11 23:53:05 god damn it, if I have 4 cores, I wouldn't mind 3 of them used for the browser when I'm in irc Jan 11 23:53:10 ShadowJK, that's why we have n900, right? Jan 11 23:53:17 True that Jan 11 23:53:23 absolutely ! Jan 11 23:53:25 I use my N900 more than the android tablet Jan 11 23:53:30 hehe Jan 11 23:53:51 the touchscreen on the android drives me bonkers sometimes too Jan 11 23:54:25 capacitive touchscreens... :\ Jan 11 23:54:29 I have vibration feedback turned on. It only works in specific apps. By specific apps I mean the virtual keyboard. Everywhere else you get no feedback. Jan 11 23:54:40 i cudnt spend money on these tablets, but i guess i may on the 16gb nexus 7 ... for reading books in pdf Jan 11 23:54:51 is there a CHM file reader on android Jan 11 23:55:31 However, sometimes in the middle of hte night, I get woken up by the tablet vibrating furiously, when it htinks that someone has touched it and activated touchscreen and is typing the next best-seller novel consisting of "aaaaaaasssssdddddffffghhhyyyuuuttrtrrrrrrfffffvvvnnnmmmm" Jan 11 23:55:43 lol Jan 11 23:56:01 :D Jan 11 23:56:10 The lack of sufficiently large screen bezel is annoying Jan 11 23:56:20 because you have to hold it with your hand covering the touchscreen Jan 11 23:56:28 if your hand covers the touchscreen, it registers as an input Jan 11 23:56:54 Some apps consider that input a part of a "pinch to zoom" gesture or similar Jan 11 23:56:54 hmm Jan 11 23:57:25 So you can't actually scroll until you let go of the thing and make sure you're only touching it with one single body part Jan 11 23:57:31 oh the pinch to zoom patent !!! apple think no one in the whole world cud have come up with it! Jan 11 23:57:33 :@ Jan 11 23:57:53 This actually varis between apps, some apps don't care about extra stuff, but most do. Jan 11 23:57:55 going around suing companies Jan 11 23:58:30 its reallllllly hard to get used to capacitive screens, Jan 12 00:00:58 It woudl help if you'd get feedback Jan 12 00:01:35 N900 does this really well. The delay between touching screen, and vibrator acknowledging it, is reallyy low, and it's consitently really low Jan 12 00:01:50 And I'm using the quadcore tablet as comparison here. Jan 12 00:02:20 yea Jan 12 00:02:58 N800 and N810 had sound feedback, but the sound dsp on them were somewhat unreliable... :) Jan 12 00:04:22 in the times of n810, i really wanted to buy it, i was soooooo fascinated by that device but i had no money Jan 12 00:04:39 really awesome screen Jan 12 00:05:02 the touch layer on N900 is much better Jan 12 00:05:39 But on N800 and N810 screen, the touch layer is like 1mm or less above the display layer..really nice in that sense Jan 12 00:05:58 on N900 it feels a bit like the "window" you touch is a mile above the screen that produces the contents Jan 12 00:07:00 Like if you take stylus, and put it down on the screen on some specific point, and then look at it from different angles, you'll find that the point shifts location depending on the angle you look at the screen Jan 12 00:07:56 * ShadowJK still uses N800 and N810 :-) Jan 12 00:08:03 :) Jan 12 00:09:27 I bought a new microsd card for my N800 Jan 12 00:09:42 One that has stellar random I/O performance Jan 12 00:09:48 which one Jan 12 00:09:51 with swap on it, the difference is like night and way Jan 12 00:09:59 cool Jan 12 00:10:01 iirc "A-data ultra speed" Jan 12 00:11:11 hmm Jan 12 00:11:20 "AUSDH16GUI1-RA1 ADATA 16GB Ultra High Speed MicroSDHC" Jan 12 00:11:23 hmmm Jan 12 00:11:28 Ot Jan 12 00:11:47 It's not entirely reliable, it failed in my benchmarks. :-) Jan 12 00:12:03 ahh Jan 12 00:12:19 Seems to work reliably enough in my N800 though, approaching 3 weeks of uptime Jan 12 00:12:30 n900 has sound feedback too Jan 12 00:12:58 I think 1-2 week was the norm with the older cards, there the limit was mostly that the cards were so slow that watchdog kicked in Jan 12 00:13:58 iirc adata has some very nice n affordable SSDs also, Jan 12 00:14:22 * fastlane` will get a ssd for his laptop .... one day !!! Jan 12 00:14:37 hello, about n900 maemo, you know if repos are offline? Jan 12 00:15:09 am i wrong or the biggest a-data uSD is 32GB? Jan 12 00:15:16 halXI, they're not Jan 12 00:15:46 I was installing different stuff the whole day Jan 12 00:16:05 halXI: perfectly working... Jan 12 00:16:16 apt-get update seems to be working fine Jan 12 00:16:18 right now. Jan 12 00:16:36 btw, how can I autostart something? Somehow google forgot maemo wiki pages so I can't find it :( Jan 12 00:16:48 :O Jan 12 00:17:08 apt-get update tell me gpg keyexpired Jan 12 00:17:34 halXI, as far as I remember it's fine Jan 12 00:18:19 ShadowJK: i would buy a new 64GB uSD... (wikipedia is so big..) Which card do you suggest? Jan 12 00:18:27 so it must be my phone Jan 12 00:19:04 howcome i can find ADATA 16GB Ultra High Speed MicroSDHC on amazon's uk website but not on amazon.com :o Jan 12 00:19:41 xes, 64g is beyond my affordabilty. For 16g I can afford buying a bunch of them and use the best I get. Jan 12 00:20:12 anybody? what was that wiki page about upstart, event.d and other related stuff Jan 12 00:20:16 and adata's promier pro 32gb usd card is for $77 :OOOO Jan 12 00:20:18 But generally, if there's a sandisk android edition 64g, I'd probably try that one :-) Jan 12 00:20:19 no go! Jan 12 00:20:36 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error 1 Jan 12 00:21:15 ShadowJK: thanks, i'll look for that.. Jan 12 00:21:46 btw, just because a company (like adata or sandisk) has 6 different speed of cards, doesn't mean that their "fastest" actually will be fastest. :-) Jan 12 00:21:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ only one i can find Sysaxed_ Jan 12 00:22:52 The old sandisk Class 4 uSD card was the fastest card on the market at the time, beating competitor Class 10 cards easily, and beating sandisk's class 6 cards too :-) Jan 12 00:23:20 time for me to hit the bed Jan 12 00:23:26 \o/ Jan 12 00:23:36 The new sandisk class 4 is woefully slow. :) Jan 12 00:23:41 And this one? http://goo.gl/yY35K Jan 12 00:24:10 No clue. You basically wont know until you get it. Jan 12 00:24:48 There's a trend with UHS cards, they tend to perform really slow with SDHC hosts. Jan 12 00:25:00 (in some respects) Jan 12 00:25:48 That adata card I mentioned, I only get 3MByte/s with it on N800, but it's still the fastest card I've used on N800 when I put the swapfile on it :-) Jan 12 00:26:20 If you just want to store files on it, a non-UHS Class-10 Sandisk card is probably the best there is Jan 12 00:26:35 If you want to try boost performance, the hunt is on :) Jan 12 00:27:25 i understand....considering the cost ad the risk..... the impression is that it would be better to wait some time for that size of memory card Jan 12 00:27:57 I have currently about 6 8 or 16 gig cards on order Jan 12 00:28:14 WOW.... Jan 12 00:28:19 if any of them impress me, I'll get the 32 gig version and test that Jan 12 00:28:24 it's a race! :) Jan 12 00:28:48 Sadly, all the "interesting" cards are hard to get :( Jan 12 00:29:30 now i'm using a lexar 32gb class 10... it's not bad but i didn't checked the real numbers with some benchmark Jan 12 00:30:46 nothing about http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error 1 Jan 12 00:31:26 following signature invalid keyexpired 1349249546 Jan 12 00:33:05 xes, it's pretty hard to test, too Jan 12 00:33:27 i know, dd is not enough Jan 12 00:34:08 ShadowJK: what are you using to make a comparison? Jan 12 00:35:26 I use coffeemug rebench on a sheevaplug to test random I/O perf Jan 12 00:35:41 I use flashbench on an atom machine for generic profiling Jan 12 00:38:29 wtf.. is there any upstart example? Jan 12 00:40:27 ShadowJK: interesting..i would test with this also my blade's iscsi ... sometimes i use ioperf but..i don't like it at all Jan 12 00:41:52 nox-: before mosaic, I developed a viewer to display advertisements and citymaps etc on public touchscreen terminals, which we could dial up and feed new texts via modem. I think those had less than 32MB RAM Jan 12 00:45:14 Btw, @ comment up above with the whole Android discussion about how it kills multitasking - it actually would be extremely easy for Android to not do that, Google just wrote Android like that. It's not Java itself that manages what Android app 'activities' get unloaded, afaik, but the Android task/activity management, whatever layer that's implemented in. Jan 12 00:50:12 And I would guess just about every 3rd party browser uses Android's built-in webview class, so they'd have a hard time doing the only background-task-killing workaround I could think of for Android even if they tried. Jan 12 00:51:07 Of course, my Android developing skills are fairly limited as well, so there might be work-arounds an 'app' could do that I'm unaware of... Jan 12 00:51:31 vi____, Jan 12 00:54:30 MentalistTraceur: IIRC, you'll simply have to put whatever task you need to run as a service Jan 12 00:55:04 like the terminal emulators, the UI is part of the main activity, and the terminal window is a service Jan 12 00:56:07 Hurrian, yes, and that was what I was thinking of, however, the discussion I am responding to had to do with browser tabs 'forgetting' the tabs they had loaded when they've not been the foreground tab for a while. Jan 12 00:56:51 hmm, it's as if no browser on Android has ever heard of Javascript pausing Jan 12 00:57:14 Which led me to the thought that to save that in a service, you'd have to somehow get the service to store that webpage in memory. Jan 12 00:58:36 Which would be great, except Android provided a very easy to use 'webview' class for coding, which in no way exposes the actual webpage itself as far as I know. So if most browsers use that for rendering, the developers of those browsers wouldn't be able to do that... Jan 12 00:58:52 MentalistTraceur: the main activity can probably just fork a service per tab, freeze itself, and simply call back to the pages once someone brings the browser window back up Jan 12 00:59:38 oh, if those webpages are dynamic though, and take the WiFilock, the battery life is simply going to go down the drain. Jan 12 01:00:43 can Android suspend services? seems like that's the best option - fork services for each tab, once the main browser window gets killed/frozen the tabs get frozen, and resumed when the browser gets brought up again Jan 12 01:01:40 this really shouldn't be a problem in the age where most high-end Android devices have upwards of 1GB RAM Jan 12 01:02:01 My concern is I don't think that service for that tab will be able to actually get at the webpage data - that's handled by the WebView class. Jan 12 01:03:22 I just looked it up, and it seems that you cannot run a Webview inside a service. Jan 12 01:03:27 So when the Tab's activity is killed (by Android doing its usual background task gutting), the service will still live, but the tab's activity's WebView element will have been killed, loosing that data and needing a reload next time you get to the tab. Jan 12 01:03:32 Indeed. Jan 12 01:04:01 MentalistTraceur: that's more inefficient than "saving a list of open pages", which most browsers do nowadays Jan 12 01:05:06 You can't run any View-derived class in a service in Android. As a rule of thumb, any class that deal with showing things on the screen can't go in a service. Jan 12 01:05:14 s/deal/deals Jan 12 01:05:29 ... Jan 12 01:05:41 IIRC, Chrome for Android has a limited ability to store the webpages in open tabs and restore them after the process has been killed - it stores the page into cache, and redraws them (and restores scroll position, but not entered data) Jan 12 01:05:41 s/deals/"deals/"/ Jan 12 01:06:19 Perhaps, but Google has a privileged position as far as coding that app goes. Jan 12 01:06:39 nah, I just think thats one way of faking suspend-resume ability Jan 12 01:08:08 All of the above said though, if an Android browser dev wrote their own web rendering engine, THEN they could get around the Android background-task killing as far as webpages having to reload goes. Jan 12 01:09:51 *Shrug* Whatever, long-live actual properly multi-tasking phone OSs. Jan 12 01:14:51 anybody know how to type the '>' in rescueOS? Jan 12 01:15:31 wifi support is kind of pointless if you can't create wlan.cfg for passwords Jan 12 01:15:58 kerio: ping Jan 12 01:16:30 jon_y: ">" ...no way from device... Jan 12 01:16:33 jon_y, try shift+(left-arrow)? Jan 12 01:16:40 ok Jan 12 01:16:42 jon_y: shift+right arrow i think Jan 12 01:16:47 ok Jan 12 01:16:50 I'm just guessing, btw. Jan 12 01:16:50 will try Jan 12 01:16:59 Or fn+(left-arrow)? Jan 12 01:17:49 sweet, fn+arrow Jan 12 01:18:01 ok, now it says root is read-only Jan 12 01:18:17 for /wlan.cfg Jan 12 01:18:46 safe to mount / -o remount,rw? Jan 12 01:19:11 Probably, I honestly never worked with RescueOS Jan 12 01:20:01 But if you have to modify /wlan.cfg, I figure you might as well. If you're in RescueOS, there's a decent chance you don't have much to lose. Jan 12 01:20:21 nope, remount still readonly Jan 12 01:20:32 rescueos runs in a cramfs, it's read only Jan 12 01:20:33 you have to bindmount from tmpfs Jan 12 01:20:36 the scripts in /rescueOS/ do that Jan 12 01:20:53 ah ok, these should go in the rescueOS docs Jan 12 01:21:09 or at least get the wifi script to ask for password directly Jan 12 01:21:39 Yay, someone who knows RescueOS is here to take over. Jan 12 01:22:15 btw, other key combo I found is fn+symb = tab Jan 12 01:22:22 for auto complete Jan 12 01:23:11 kerio: for rw bind remount, how do you do that? Jan 12 01:23:15 Cool. (Though ctrl-i is treated as a tab by most shells anyway). Jan 12 01:23:22 jon_y: beats me Jan 12 01:23:30 look at the scripts Jan 12 01:23:33 mount --bind / /tmp/somedir? Jan 12 01:23:39 ew, no Jan 12 01:23:57 I hope less/more is installed, or vi :) Jan 12 01:23:59 besides, you'd want unionfs or something similar for that Jan 12 01:24:20 ok, how am I supposed to > /wlan.cfg? Jan 12 01:24:30 ask NIN101 Jan 12 01:24:46 hmm, he's offline Jan 12 01:25:02 RescueOS should really involve more rescue and less obscure filesystem wankery. Jan 12 01:25:44 Not that I'd necessarily code it any better... Jan 12 01:27:23 Hold up, if you're trying to redirect some output into /wlan.cfg, couldn't you just direct that output to another file, then use/run that file instead? Jan 12 01:28:00 I.e. a file you can write to, like /tmp/randomfilename Jan 12 01:55:26 DocScrutinizer05: just got an email from Rambo/Nemein for key exchange, he was talking like there will be more admins server sided for tmo... "one of the admins of tmo" is that for the move or did I miss on something Jan 12 01:55:55 that's for the move Jan 12 01:56:23 reggie gets root access to do the migration this very weekend Jan 12 01:56:42 and I'll get root eventually, just because ... ;-) Jan 12 01:59:43 I wanna haz root just because. Jan 12 01:59:44 or because I'm admin-coordinator Jan 12 02:00:19 and thus will hand out accounts to MentalistTraceur and others, when needed Jan 12 02:01:06 ooh, and I need to appoint a stand-in, in case I get hit by a bus, I guess Jan 12 02:01:44 well, for tmo that's you for now, chem|st Jan 12 02:01:58 since you also have full root access Jan 12 02:03:06 By the way Joerg, Eero clarified on email that he was talking about the old DNS changes we requested, when he said Nokia started moving on the DNS issue. Jan 12 02:03:24 yes, I answered that mail Jan 12 02:03:34 weird Jan 12 02:03:34 Ah, I see. Jan 12 02:04:03 I'd think Nokia would like to pass domain ownership to HiFo Jan 12 02:04:33 Yes, but Nokia is like a glacier of bureaucracy. Jan 12 02:04:43 no idea what been agreed upon bewteen hiFo and Nokia regarding that Jan 12 02:04:48 It'll get there... eventually. Jan 12 02:04:51 Maybe. Jan 12 02:04:55 :nod: Jan 12 02:05:23 we'll see what's going to happen Jan 12 02:05:34 whatever it will be, it won't kill us Jan 12 02:07:03 if users can't access tmo anymore, they will be smart enough to have a look at maemo.org and there they will find what's going on and how to deal with it Jan 12 02:14:28 GeneralAntilles: Jaffa: good topic for next MWKN as well: announce tmo migration happening during the week, and possible implications of old URL pointing to nowhere resp to a server that's in zombie state Jan 12 02:16:40 DocScrutinizer05: ah I was thinking of the tmo-admin access... but yes I need full root-access... didn't think about that Jan 12 02:16:57 you wanted me to look after a server as much as I have time right... Jan 12 02:18:59 thanks for the mail Jan 12 02:20:27 Alright, I'm head off IRC for the day. Jan 12 02:20:30 *waves* Jan 12 02:37:47 so, ubi0:rootfs is the root Jan 12 02:37:54 where is the home dir from? Jan 12 02:38:21 hmm? Jan 12 02:38:52 I'm trying to mount it in rescueOS Jan 12 02:39:25 hmm, some hints on google say /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jan 12 02:40:03 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Jan 12 02:40:14 thanks Jan 12 02:41:02 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0000,rodir) Jan 12 02:45:47 DocScrutinizer05: lastly is there a way to grab the contacts? Jan 12 02:45:58 phone numbers etc Jan 12 02:46:05 and maybe sms Jan 12 02:50:01 jon_y: phonebook is in .osso-abook Jan 12 02:50:15 thanks Jan 12 02:50:26 I'd be willing to work on RescueOS for repayment Jan 12 02:53:01 jon_y: and .rtcom-eventlogger for msgs afaict Jan 12 02:56:19 chem|st: you mean sms? Jan 12 02:59:17 very nice, sms contact in sqlite form Jan 12 02:59:30 not so much for the actual phonebook data though Jan 12 02:59:43 but I'm cool with extracting it with strings(1) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 12 02:59:59 2013