**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 20 02:59:59 2013 Jan 20 03:00:31 UberNeo: you would be extending FS, not partition, that is why you have to use gparted (it can do it, opposed to fdisk) Jan 20 03:01:54 jon_y: I would say JFS is deprecated in my eyes - it is quite old one Jan 20 03:02:12 jffs2 Jan 20 03:02:28 wtf JFS Jan 20 03:02:55 DocScrutinizer05: actually same, but this time not only in my eyes! Thats why UBIFS exists Jan 20 03:02:56 must be older than even me Jan 20 03:03:34 might be - it is IBM creation and afaik it is one of first journaled FS even made Jan 20 03:03:42 neither jffs2 nor ubifs are even meant to work on mmc Jan 20 03:03:46 if not first Jan 20 03:03:48 both are for NAND Jan 20 03:03:52 or NOR Jan 20 03:04:12 DocScrutinizer05: I know, not everybody knows what is difference Jan 20 03:05:07 well, the difference is like that between datasette and HDD Jan 20 03:05:12 actually both MMC and SD are NAND or NOR, but they have FLT in a way, so they are block-devices NOT char-devices (with erease-blocks) Jan 20 03:05:27 I know Jan 20 03:06:06 one has a controller for block device, the other is "raw" IO Jan 20 03:06:17 I tend to read a lot about technologies and like to go through kernel documentation and it is said there few times what is difference Jan 20 03:06:26 exactly Jan 20 03:06:47 one has a interface that talks commands, the other one has an interface that has chip enable and adress and data lines Jan 20 03:06:51 WizardNumberNext: "sync" command . finished in 1 sec only Jan 20 03:06:56 is it normal ? Jan 20 03:07:07 actually FTL is doing same job as JFFS2 and UBIFS (apart from FS) Jan 20 03:07:07 depends Jan 20 03:07:21 yes, it perfectly normal to finish quickly Jan 20 03:07:30 if it finished, everything ok Jan 20 03:07:41 okk . Jan 20 03:08:05 it depends on amount of caches for devices and FSs, so it might take fraction of second or even minutes - depends Jan 20 03:08:24 now unplug/remove card without any further "safely remove" or unmount commands Jan 20 03:08:31 or "eject" or whatever Jan 20 03:09:10 don't allow PC to mount it again Jan 20 03:09:38 DocScrutinizer05: do you want UberNeo to extend FS straight away or try it out first? Jan 20 03:10:01 if PC complains about you doing so, you already missed something and so sth went wrong Jan 20 03:10:19 I'd say first try it, extend later Jan 20 03:10:29 I was thinking same Jan 20 03:10:34 DocScrutinizer05: so the card is destroyed permanently? Jan 20 03:10:43 trying . Jan 20 03:11:06 jon_y: do you mean UberNoe's eMMC? Jan 20 03:11:19 I mean < DocScrutinizer05> don't allow PC to mount it again Jan 20 03:11:24 if he have bad-clocks there - it is inreversible Jan 20 03:11:40 no FS could get corrupted Jan 20 03:11:50 jon_y: I said that so PC doesn't destroy data on uSD Jan 20 03:11:52 s/no FS/no, FS/ Jan 20 03:11:52 WizardNumberNext meant: no, FS could get corrupted Jan 20 03:12:02 ok Jan 20 03:12:44 would that be the case of an unusable cheapo USB flash after writing a huge chunk of data into it? Jan 20 03:13:09 jon_y: it might be Jan 20 03:13:25 especially, if you pulled it out without unmounting it Jan 20 03:13:33 cool, I just briked a cheap USB flash Jan 20 03:13:35 he umounted all partitions of uSD, then dd dumped a disk image to every partition, then synced. If PC would mount it again, it might ^H will write to some blocks while not necessarily updating all blocks before he removes card Jan 20 03:13:46 well, it just died all of a sudden when dd into it Jan 20 03:14:07 if there is any block opened on it, then it might get corrupted in hardware and this is inreversible Jan 20 03:14:28 no idea, I was trying to install knoppix into it Jan 20 03:14:36 with knoppix-flash Jan 20 03:14:39 might be overheat Jan 20 03:14:43 sometimes even pulling while reading would be enough, as flash is completely different beast from HDD Jan 20 03:14:43 or sync Jan 20 03:14:54 which may take tens of minutes sometimes Jan 20 03:15:02 during which card seems 'dead' Jan 20 03:15:26 I agree with DocScrutinizer05, this can be cause as well Jan 20 03:15:40 WizardNumberNext: it booted . but applications are not starting . showing "Internal Error" Jan 20 03:15:42 the PC recognizes the USB flash, but no longer able to actually access the media Jan 20 03:16:22 time to get DVD writers and DVD+RW instead Jan 20 03:16:39 be aware, that EHCI-HCD (USB2.0 in High-Speed mode) have hardware problem and it sometimes shows up and hungs whole USB hub Jan 20 03:16:50 jon_y: not even for formatting? Jan 20 03:17:07 nope, even Windows Volume manager hangs on it Jan 20 03:17:16 I think it's blocking all IO calls Jan 20 03:17:23 that's a fatality then Jan 20 03:17:29 UberNeo: now DocScrutinizer05 is definitely person, who would know more about how to deal with situation Jan 20 03:17:59 jon_y: check dmesg/syslog, for usb ENUM msgs Jan 20 03:18:04 jon_y: do you have logs from Linux, when you plug it? Jan 20 03:18:11 now . wil try again . with the same size partitions + extended partions Jan 20 03:18:17 no, I don't have linux access atm Jan 20 03:18:18 would be very usefull Jan 20 03:18:22 lol, I'm always faster than you WizardNumberNext Jan 20 03:18:30 what about virtual machine? Jan 20 03:18:41 you type away Jan 20 03:18:47 yeah I have a Linux VM Jan 20 03:18:57 that wouls be enough Jan 20 03:19:11 you just give it to your linux VM Jan 20 03:19:23 http://pastebin.com/EekuqrPu .. syslog Jan 20 03:19:36 loads of Calender errors Jan 20 03:20:08 and see dmesg for everything what dmesg spits out about usb and usb-storage and its "disk" (sdX - where X is some letter) Jan 20 03:20:33 UberNeo: /home/user/ doesn't exist Jan 20 03:20:46 your uSD is incorrect Jan 20 03:21:25 something not copied correctly Jan 20 03:21:42 UberNeo: check mount Jan 20 03:21:54 and ls /home Jan 20 03:22:08 or even ls -l /home Jan 20 03:22:15 would show permissions Jan 20 03:22:21 http://pastebin.com/LTKwG9Xy Jan 20 03:22:21 UberNeo: a) create partitions on your new card, *exactly* same size for everything but MyDocs Jan 20 03:22:25 mount logs Jan 20 03:22:57 Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /home drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Oct 31 2011 lost+found drwxrwxrwx 38 root root 4096 Jul 15 2012 opt -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 346484 Nov 29 2010 user Jan 20 03:23:00 UberNeo: for MyDocs you use the remainsing space on your card, after subtracting all the other partitions' sizes Jan 20 03:24:08 WizardNumberNext: magically, the USB drive is now responding Jan 20 03:24:16 at least according to fdisk Jan 20 03:24:25 Jon_y: strange, but happens Jan 20 03:24:38 can you see partition on it? Jan 20 03:25:30 try dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10, if it hungs then pendrive isn't fine Jan 20 03:25:44 could take time, depending on its speed Jan 20 03:25:50 UberNeo: yes, your /home got mounted, but probably no proper fs and data found on it Jan 20 03:25:59 but shouldn't be more then say 20 seconds\ Jan 20 03:27:59 UberNeo: you might have messed up umounting every parttion of card on your PC before dd writing to it Jan 20 03:28:03 DocScrutinizer05: I cant cd to /home/user .. even though it do exists Jan 20 03:28:04 Nokia-N900:/home# cd /home/user -sh: cd: can't cd to /home/user Nokia-N900:/home# ls lost+found opt user Jan 20 03:30:07 UberNeo: you should redo the whole dd session, making sure you got partitions of sufficient size for 1st and 2nd partiton (MyDocs and home) Jan 20 03:30:10 UberNeo: user directory is corrupted Jan 20 03:30:29 UberNeo: making sure you umounted every existing mount to the card Jan 20 03:30:46 check again with mount after umounting Jan 20 03:31:00 make absolutely sure *nothing* on card got mounted Jan 20 03:31:19 ok .. DocScrutinizer05 Jan 20 03:31:29 UberNeo: then dd partition 1 image to partiton1, and part2 image to partition2 Jan 20 03:31:49 then you need mkswap on partition 3 Jan 20 03:31:55 then sync Jan 20 03:31:58 DocScrutinizer05: actually he is going to make partitions bigger, so maybe mounting it read-only and using tar would be best? Jan 20 03:32:02 UberNeo: then remove uSD Jan 20 03:32:45 UberNeo: actually after swap would be created, make yourself sure it is not mounted again Jan 20 03:33:12 right after sync, I mean Jan 20 03:33:19 WizardNumberNext: nvm, it's dead anyway Jan 20 03:33:30 if your new card's partitions are only one block smaller than old one, anyone of them, your whole card gets overlapping partitons and dd will destroy next partition Jan 20 03:33:40 you can even automatize it: 'sync && mount' Jan 20 03:33:42 trying to mount it will hang the VM Jan 20 03:34:13 jon_y: it needs only one thing then Jan 20 03:34:19 replacement Jan 20 03:35:40 UberNeo: so after sync and removing card, you even might insert it again to your linux PC and see if data looks good on MyDocs and home partitons Jan 20 03:35:46 but I would not blindly trust VM in this case, cause USB goes by some libraries in case of VMs Jan 20 03:36:50 DocScrutinizer05 and UberNeo: it would definitely safe time, if it would get corrupted Jan 20 03:38:51 and for some magical reason, I manage to ninja format it Jan 20 03:39:02 now it is an empty FAT drive Jan 20 03:39:44 ninja format == keep pluging/unpluging until format /q works Jan 20 03:41:09 jon_y: under Linux on Bare Metal: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/some_file_on_pendrive' or if you want to be absolutely sure (it will destroy all data) 'dd if=/dev/zero of/dev/sdX' and, then 'mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX' Jan 20 03:41:41 on Linux you can actually put NTFS on pendrive and it works on windows XP and higher Jan 20 03:42:02 but on windows you cannot format pendrive as NTFS, which is bit annoying Jan 20 03:42:48 jon_y: NEVER unplug pendrive, which is being used! Jan 20 03:43:08 I lost one that way - while readin it Jan 20 03:44:23 DocScrutinizer05: shal i create teh swap partition also . same as the old usd . Jan 20 03:44:35 yes Jan 20 03:44:45 DocScrutinizer05: again faster Jan 20 03:44:47 and run mkswap on it Jan 20 03:45:20 then i beleve . after my 3 rd partion in new usd . theer will be lots of space left.. which wil remian unpartitioned Jan 20 03:45:42 UberNeo: don't forget to move part2 and 3 to end of card, so part1 can be larger Jan 20 03:46:07 UberNeo: I usualy was calculating all the stuff and crating partitons after Jan 20 03:46:17 no, you increase size of part1 (MyDocs) or part2 (home) Jan 20 03:46:40 you can actually start from end of device, just need to calculate, where would be begin of partition Jan 20 03:46:53 UberNeo: after that you got 3 partitions and no free space on card Jan 20 03:47:46 DocScrutinizer05: If i use part 2 and oart 3 to the end of the card then how do they be teh same size as my old card Jan 20 03:49:02 UberNeo: you do not have to create partitions in order and actually you can start with 3rd artition, see how much space you have left and create rest, if you would have partitions not in order you just type x enter f enter r enter Jan 20 03:49:32 UberNeo: you do not need to have exactly same size Jan 20 03:49:42 it can be bigger, but NOT smaller Jan 20 03:50:42 though any bigger is wasted space basically Jan 20 03:51:08 but he can extend it or create new FS and copy contents of old FS to it Jan 20 03:51:40 got confused now Jan 20 03:52:19 DocScrutinizer05 explain him what we spoke about, my shortcuts would not help here Jan 20 03:52:28 sorry .. so I have created . 3 exact partions with same cylinders Jan 20 03:52:37 UberNeo: what are you not sure about? Jan 20 03:53:06 ok, so now you know how much space you have left Jan 20 03:53:10 first . is vfat .. 2nd ext3 .. 3rd swap partion Jan 20 03:53:42 you can plan where you would give more, but remember to look if number of blocks is same or bigger Jan 20 03:54:10 so if you have exactly same partition table, then you dd to it Jan 20 03:54:38 or plan for bigger - it is your decission Jan 20 03:56:58 cool...the substitute repos work :) Jan 20 03:57:32 allotrope94: I tried them yesterday, but it failed for me Jan 20 04:00:05 ~mirror Jan 20 04:00:06 mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 20 04:13:07 UberNeo: you need partitions that are large enough to hold all the blocks you copy with dd to them. additionally one is way larger than that dd image, and you'll extend that one to full size after you dd'ed the original partition image to it Jan 20 04:15:22 think of your dd images as carpets, and now you build three rooms to place those carpets in. The house where you build those rooms is larger than the old one, so one room is way larger than its analog in old house. Jan 20 04:16:28 you place the dd carpets in two of the rooms (no, actually the last room is swap and gets no carpet), and then you stretch one carpet with a magic tool to cover the larger room's floor Jan 20 04:17:31 of course you don't want any room being too small so you'd cut the carpet Jan 20 04:18:13 and you don't want to waste part of your house real estate by creating rooms that are too small to completely fill the house Jan 20 04:18:43 now your problem is: it's either first or second room that needs to be larger, not the third swap-room Jan 20 04:18:59 so pick the places where you build wall wisely Jan 20 04:19:31 since otherwise you later on can't stretch your carpet since already next room starts Jan 20 04:20:49 fdisk defines your rooms and builds the walls for you. gperted will stretch the carpet, but only to max size to fit into the room you built before dd threw the carpet in Jan 20 04:25:22 DocScrutinizer05: back to creating the partitions on uSd Jan 20 05:22:11 i am very pleased that maemo uses debian style packaging Jan 20 05:22:47 i am looking to switch to a nokia n900 because i heard it runs GNU/Linux Jan 20 05:23:22 you heard right Jan 20 05:24:05 do all hardware features have open driver support? Jan 20 05:24:43 no. Jan 20 05:24:56 there are no arm devices that meet that standard. Jan 20 05:25:12 ok Jan 20 05:26:12 but its still exciting that a phone with gsm+wifi+gps can run linux natively Jan 20 05:26:37 is the bootloader open source? Jan 20 05:27:08 no Jan 20 05:27:26 but it's not tivoized Jan 20 05:27:39 thats good Jan 20 05:27:41 there are open bootloaders available, I think Jan 20 05:27:57 and there'y actually chainload solution that boots into uBoot Jan 20 05:28:04 cool Jan 20 05:28:25 maybe i will trade in my old phone and buy a couple Jan 20 05:29:01 used ones can be found easily Jan 20 05:29:52 is the N9 a later model? does it support GNU/linux? Jan 20 05:30:05 N9 is quite a different critter Jan 20 05:30:38 n9 also runs linux but 1) it's way less of a nerd party and 2) the development movement for it was stillborn Jan 20 05:30:50 still sort of GNU/linux but with a nasty flavour of trusted-computing fritzchip Jan 20 05:31:02 I have both. The n9 is a better 'phone phone' but the n900 is a better linux system. Jan 20 05:31:11 i dont really care how old the n900 is, just want a phone with good linux support Jan 20 05:31:18 then you want the n900. Jan 20 05:31:23 yep Jan 20 05:31:26 :D Jan 20 05:31:40 thanks folks Jan 20 05:32:21 does the n900 make calls using ALSA as the sound subsystem? Jan 20 05:34:01 I think so Jan 20 05:34:09 if it does, that would be cool because i could attach a usb soundcard and make a phonecall directly from my studio Jan 20 05:34:20 yes Jan 20 05:34:37 !!! Jan 20 05:34:48 I always just used SIP for that Jan 20 05:34:49 well, the PA layer above ALSA sucks Jan 20 05:35:12 unfortunately pulseaudio is the main interface for sound Jan 20 05:35:18 we need jack Jan 20 05:35:26 ? Jan 20 05:35:27 and the policy enforcer which basically manages the "mixer" settings of PA even more sucks Jan 20 05:36:27 but yes, people managed to record phonecalls Jan 20 05:36:38 i wrote a usb audio kernel driver quirk, maybe i can fix some stuff for the audio layer Jan 20 05:37:12 the audio layer isn't that bad, and gstreamer goes a long way Jan 20 05:37:42 i am curious about the software that actually makes the call Jan 20 05:37:51 just particularly the modem(/phone) audio interface is a closed-source PA driver Jan 20 05:38:04 or I dunno even if it's closed Jan 20 05:39:04 with maemo, do you get root access to the underlying debian system? Jan 20 05:39:08 pretty simple, some lib receives some dbus msg and initiates the call, while other dbus msgs from that lib to policy enforcer etc set up the environment Jan 20 05:39:28 sure, on my phone I'm root Jan 20 05:39:43 awesome Jan 20 05:39:44 damo22: the phone ships a terminal program, but you have to install a package to acquire root login Jan 20 05:39:48 jailbreak? HAHA on mYPhone I'm ROOT Jan 20 05:40:24 on my phone, im rooted Jan 20 05:41:32 any operating system that is proprietary is dangerous, because you cant modify the system code Jan 20 05:41:59 damo22: actually when I work on my PC's ssh to N900, I tend to forget I'm working on a phone and not a laptop Jan 20 05:42:30 if people forget that they need control of their own computing, this world will suck Jan 20 05:45:20 damo22: all computers are dangerous, because you do not have the source to the CPU microcode. Jan 20 05:45:54 damo22: I guess 20% of the most useful pkgs for N900 are shellscripts. Another huge bunch are python Jan 20 05:46:25 the rest are GBoggle. Jan 20 05:46:39 still pissed there's no GBoggle on the n9 Jan 20 05:46:55 khm: maybe that is correct, but if the microcode did something nasty, we would surely notice pretty quick Jan 20 05:47:03 gboggle? Jan 20 05:47:17 damo22: I am not so sure Jan 20 05:47:47 uefi and ipmi can also mean there's a whole OS under the OS Jan 20 05:48:02 yep, that's more likely Jan 20 05:48:04 but it's moot. arm licensees will never reveal the wu-tang secret Jan 20 05:48:32 but I can run gboggle, so all is well Jan 20 05:48:58 khm: what could the microcode do? refuse to execute instructions that arent a certain type? Jan 20 05:49:16 ~wtf gboggle Jan 20 05:49:18 Gee... I don't know what gboggle means... Jan 20 05:49:32 gtk or what? Jan 20 05:50:03 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gboggle/ Jan 20 05:50:09 o.O Jan 20 05:50:20 damo22: see? you don't know what the microcode could do! Jan 20 05:50:24 that's the complaint. Jan 20 05:50:35 aah Jan 20 05:51:50 I however have a pretty good idea what microcode can NOT do without creating major WTF of century Jan 20 05:52:17 and we can nuke shit like cherry/myNokia Jan 20 05:52:24 just casually copying registers into other registers that ipmi can access Jan 20 05:53:13 can we not disassemble microcode Jan 20 05:53:34 I don't even *know* of any microcode on ARM Jan 20 05:53:42 I might have missed sth though Jan 20 05:54:00 doesnt apple own the arm manufacturing company Jan 20 05:54:32 no. Jan 20 05:54:33 there's no such thing like an ARM manufacturing Jan 20 05:54:40 there is no 'arm manufacturing company' Jan 20 05:54:51 ARM company sells IP Jan 20 05:55:27 ARM designs processors, and licenses those designs. Other companies, like TI and Intel, own fabs that actually produce the hardware. Jan 20 05:55:29 it's companies like TI that manufacture chips with ARM IP blocks Jan 20 05:55:56 what is ip Jan 20 05:56:26 intellectual property Jan 20 05:56:31 gahhhh Jan 20 05:57:07 so apple owns all the ARM patents Jan 20 05:57:10 no Jan 20 05:57:13 ARM owns them. Jan 20 05:57:16 Apple owns jack shit. Jan 20 05:57:28 not what i heard Jan 20 05:57:29 ARM licenses them to companies like apple Jan 20 05:57:43 who integrate the licensed designs into complete systems Jan 20 05:58:02 with the result that no one company holds exclusive rights to any given arm system Jan 20 05:58:14 so getting low-level drivers cleared for FOSS release is damn near impossible Jan 20 05:58:20 which is why even the rpi ships a blob. Jan 20 05:58:31 damo22: you hear things from people who are wrong. Jan 20 05:58:53 Apple bought some tiny fab house. They own a company that can make chips. They do not own any part of ARM. Jan 20 05:59:11 i see Jan 20 05:59:59 what if someone reverse engineers a driver Jan 20 06:00:07 and decides to release it as foss Jan 20 06:02:41 then the president of unicorns will emerge from the odinsleep to bake that person a cake made of pure magic Jan 20 06:03:19 well, i didnt get a cake, but i made a driver for a sound card without specs Jan 20 06:04:25 my point is that reverse-engineered drivers are fine but generally do not exist, because few devices have enough development manpower Jan 20 06:04:46 k Jan 20 06:05:29 thats why collaborative efforts are good for this Jan 20 06:05:46 two heads are so much better than 1 Jan 20 06:05:48 I'm not aware of any non-collaborative efforts Jan 20 06:06:00 well, most ARM IP blocks are pretty nicely documented and open Jan 20 06:06:04 aside from the united states congress Jan 20 06:06:10 lol Jan 20 06:06:21 DocScrutinizer05: it's always the video coprocessors... Jan 20 06:06:24 it's usually the non-ARM stuff that has the blob drivers Jan 20 06:06:30 :nod: Jan 20 06:06:37 which are generally not ARM Jan 20 06:06:39 obviously Jan 20 06:06:46 but i dont care about the video stuff Jan 20 06:06:49 those are the bits the system designers bring to the table Jan 20 06:07:03 i want a headless linux machine that fits in my pocket Jan 20 06:07:11 so, releasing the driver source would enable corporate spies to glean important business secrets Jan 20 06:07:26 at least that's the paranoid theory Jan 20 06:07:37 yup Jan 20 06:07:52 damo22: n810, n900, raspberry pi, any android phone, etc Jan 20 06:08:01 i already have a rpi Jan 20 06:08:10 but i want one that makes calls Jan 20 06:08:30 n900, freerunner, that horrible diy thing from a few years ago Jan 20 06:08:36 calling N900 headless is an insult ;-) Jan 20 06:09:00 does framebuffer work on n900 Jan 20 06:09:05 I think there's a gsm module for the gumstix as well. Jan 20 06:09:09 err yup Jan 20 06:09:28 woot, im getting me a n900 Jan 20 06:10:34 it's all a bit quirky but i'm quite sure there's a framebuffer on maemo, even several I think Jan 20 06:12:26 /dev/fb0 /dev/fb1 /dev/fb2 Jan 20 06:13:26 i could run maemo in qemu Jan 20 06:14:14 or you get maemo SDK which does that for you, incl xephyr embedded X11 Jan 20 06:14:53 nice! Jan 20 06:15:23 people even ran the closed bootloader in that qemu Jan 20 06:15:37 and thus traced what it's doing, to some extent Jan 20 08:59:53 what's in fremantle/ssu/apps? Jan 20 10:07:13 romaxa: when building fennec, is there a way to only partially rebuild it, i.e. to rebuild only the code that has changed? Jan 20 10:08:04 got it, need to cd to the directory Jan 20 10:19:07 sup Doc Jan 20 10:25:26 DocScrutinizer Jan 20 10:26:19 kerio, in upstream kernel 3.8-rc3 is usb mass storage working in g_nokia gadget Jan 20 10:26:31 what do you think it is usefull for maemo too? Jan 20 10:26:46 (backporting to kernel-power?) Jan 20 10:26:46 i didn't know g_nokia was in upstream :o Jan 20 10:26:52 it would be neat, i suppose Jan 20 10:26:57 but the UI won't support it properly Jan 20 10:27:17 yes, this is reason why it will be hidden... Jan 20 10:27:25 oic Jan 20 10:27:40 and it need manual work for enabling... Jan 20 10:27:50 well, we'd need to check that ovi suite/nokia suite still works with the modified g_nokia Jan 20 10:27:56 if it does, then why not? it would be awesome Jan 20 10:28:50 I cannot check if it is working with nokia/ovi suite... for unknown reason they did not relesed it for my distribution :-) Jan 20 10:28:57 :D Jan 20 10:29:23 Pali: would it be a WONTFIX NOTABUG or a WONTFIX CANTREPRODUCE? Jan 20 10:29:57 thanks for void highlight :( Jan 20 10:30:04 DocScrutinizer51: sup? Jan 20 10:30:07 it's not void! Jan 20 10:30:24 FU Jan 20 10:31:02 your 05 client did something, i thought it was manual intervention and that you were online ._. Jan 20 10:31:12 DocScrutinizer51, what do you think about g_nokia? ^^^^ Jan 20 10:31:43 i don't get it Jan 20 10:39:02 romaxa: I found the reason for bad performance of embedLite qml on fremantle - missing setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5NonComposited); Jan 20 10:40:06 now, how to proceed - commit to embedlite (with appropriate Q_WS_MAEMO5 ifdefs) or in some other way? Jan 20 10:54:19 what is this? http://hg.meego.com/ Jan 20 10:54:39 Fennec (Mobile Firefox) repository clone for Meego Platform. Jan 20 10:54:51 Meego had Fennec browser? Jan 20 10:55:10 repository Flash? Jan 20 12:08:44 Pali: maybe its the same one that is on that n950 proto Jan 20 12:12:27 Pali, early versions of MeeGo CE had only fennec Jan 20 12:12:44 And it was pretty ok Jan 20 12:12:52 even themed correctly Jan 20 12:12:54 N9 has no fennec? Jan 20 12:13:06 ShadowJK, from the store Jan 20 12:13:12 right Jan 20 12:13:16 Close to unusable Jan 20 12:13:31 what Jan 20 12:13:38 even on gig of ram? Jan 20 12:13:43 Fennec, too slow. Jan 20 12:13:59 yeap, brings everything to a halt. Jan 20 12:14:10 It's all XUL's fault Jan 20 12:14:12 weird, it's fairly usable on the n900 Jan 20 12:14:20 kerio, thumb Jan 20 12:14:26 ofc Jan 20 12:14:34 so? Jan 20 12:14:36 that's why Jan 20 12:14:45 the N9 has more resources Jan 20 12:14:51 it should run *at least* as fast Jan 20 12:15:02 No you don't say that fast Jan 20 12:15:16 You can use it but it's no fast Jan 20 12:15:32 it's not fast on the n900 either Jan 20 12:15:39 while the non-thumb version on Maemo 5 is completely unusable Jan 20 12:16:03 Oh, now I saw *as* fast Jan 20 12:16:11 Yeah, it's about the same Jan 20 12:16:23 ok then, it should be *faster* Jan 20 12:16:31 given same compiler and same sources Jan 20 12:16:35 same-ish, i mean Jan 20 12:16:52 Is it same compiler? Idk Jan 20 12:17:40 kerio, on N900 xul fennec is faster than xul fennec on android 1.5ghz 1g ram Jan 20 12:17:42 kerio: an older version of fennec on the N9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rBI4okub0 Jan 20 12:22:07 Memory stats of fennec on various platforms http://play.qwazix.com/fennec mem stats.tar.gz Jan 20 13:56:58 hello, I have a problem with updating my repos, here is a paste of apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/pRyet7vb I don't know what the error msgs mean :-( I'm on CSSU-thumb Jan 20 13:57:43 bennypr0fane: repos are down; you want temp mirrors see this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 Jan 20 13:58:07 ah, so it's nothing wrong with my config Jan 20 13:58:12 thanks Jan 20 13:58:15 see /topic Jan 20 13:58:16 np Jan 20 14:01:11 so apparently not all maemo is down atm Jan 20 14:01:35 seems to have transitioned rather ok Jan 20 14:05:25 question to scriptng "gurus" - anyone have idea, how to create a smart script, that, when xephyr is started under *chroot*, would run additional script (lets call it foo) under *maemo*, and, when xephyr is shutdown from chroot, would kill said "foo" from maemo, automagically? Jan 20 14:06:22 so, basically, I'm thinking how to write script that runs "foo" under maemo and "bar" under chroot - then, when "bar" under chroot is killed, "foo" under maemo would die too Jan 20 14:06:26 DocScrutinizer51: Is git viewer on garage known to be broken? e.g. https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob_plain;hb=HEAD;f=package/po/hermes.pot Jan 20 14:07:02 I seem to recall that yes Jan 20 14:07:17 freemangordon: also one more thing you can do... change QImage::Format_RGB32 -> QImage::Format_RGB16 in qgraphicsmozview.cpp Jan 20 14:08:00 freemangordon: Q_WS_MAEMO5 ifdef should be fine Jan 20 14:08:38 wait Jan 20 14:08:46 btw, freemangordon, thanks for your path to qmount for ED. Sadly, qole seems not so eager to release any new version of easy chroot, due to time and votes needed for it to reach extras again etc Jan 20 14:09:02 nah, I watched history of h-e-n kernel recently Jan 20 14:09:25 so, maybe, when and *if* repos starts working again, I'll just merge it into -devel release Jan 20 14:10:28 it's been months since you've submitted that path, and bug with "never-ending-loop-of-mounting" when ed sits in sd card and is mounted under "media" is indeed irritating Jan 20 14:11:59