**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 23 02:59:59 2013 Jan 23 03:06:35 hm, took a shower, and firefo has still not responded :D Jan 23 05:37:45 Mem: 7925756k total, 7048708k used, 877048k free, 486468k buffers Swap: 16777212k total, 0k used, 16777212k free, 3049048k cached Jan 23 05:39:12 mine mem usage is best, but I use firefox only for ebay and youtybe, this time I started it with two tabs and now I have one. Both were youtube, none ever changed Jan 23 05:39:40 1465 marek 20 0 1157m 243m 30m S 1 3.1 5:59.39 6108 ? 0 914m 64 444m 4 0 firefox-bin Jan 23 05:39:56 ridicilous - one tab! Jan 23 05:40:50 you needs w3m Jan 23 05:42:52 I think it won't play youtube Jan 23 05:43:21 I have 4 konqueror windows Jan 23 05:43:49 use PA over jack2 (192kHz/32b) Jan 23 05:57:21 Chromium, 28 tabs, 1,397,744k Jan 23 05:59:03 but yeah, it's madness nowadays. half of my mem broke so I currently "only" have 4GB Jan 23 05:59:37 not enough Jan 23 06:02:27 soo I finally got around dumping my already stripped to bone kde in favor of spectrwm and can't say I'm not satisfied Jan 23 06:02:27 it is madness, so I use konqueror Jan 23 06:03:09 fully blown kde here Jan 23 06:04:05 9 desktops, 2 panels Jan 23 06:04:33 22 desktops, zero panels :) Jan 23 06:05:29 that must be completly different experience from kde Jan 23 06:07:05 well, kwin has tiling too but generally yes Jan 23 06:07:54 I fscking hated the fact that majority of my time on this comp went fighting with windows and obscure panels and such Jan 23 06:08:16 + the insane use of resources Jan 23 06:09:17 I don't care about resources - have 8GiB RAM and 6 core phenom 3.2GHz (most cores are running 800MHz any way) Jan 23 06:09:49 and RAM controller at 2.6GHz Jan 23 06:12:44 I wish to get rid of pstate1 to be able to go up with RAM to 944MHz again Jan 23 06:13:39 well, when doing the exact same stuff you did 18 years ago with machine that had 2 megs of ram and 14MHz CPU, now makes my E8400 with 4GB ram feel slower, pretty much indicates that something is terribly wrong Jan 23 06:13:54 cannot get around it. Jan 23 06:14:01 ~16*236 Jan 23 06:14:01 3776 Jan 23 06:14:14 bit too much for my coller Jan 23 06:14:32 damn, I commented on exactly that "18 years ago" figure recently Jan 23 06:14:56 I attributed it to lazy coders Jan 23 06:15:29 what you would say about coders of our times Jan 23 06:15:34 and apps with lots of useless animation and other eyecandy, but actually less useful functions than 18 years ago Jan 23 06:15:58 they almost do not write - few more years and they would be buying soft, which would writing soft Jan 23 06:16:25 we're almost there Jan 23 06:16:51 I know - it already started Jan 23 06:16:57 yeah, people are doing guis and such with python nowadays, ain't that funnay Jan 23 06:17:06 but it is not yet good enough Jan 23 06:17:24 nah, qml is what I call funny Jan 23 06:17:38 that one too Jan 23 06:18:09 though I tend to like it, would never do anything, well, bigger with it Jan 23 06:18:24 :nod: Jan 23 06:18:48 though with qml and the like even "hello world" is kinda bigger already Jan 23 06:19:01 Win8 inspiration found: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dbeK6SItJm0/UP8BjgbhdoI/AAAAAAAAOcg/5xGfoq9FBrM/s1600/9031.jpg Jan 23 06:19:15 you always can try to write it in assembly Jan 23 06:19:38 that would be fun Jan 23 06:19:39 HRRHRRHRRR Jan 23 06:19:56 honestly I even cannot understand assembly yet Jan 23 06:20:02 now we know where that tiles came from Jan 23 06:20:33 colors and the icons style too Jan 23 06:21:39 damn good one RST38h Jan 23 06:24:40 speaking of developers, as, I now find myself watching amiga demos Jan 23 06:25:05 those were good times Jan 23 06:25:39 yes, still miss my amys Jan 23 06:26:00 actually AmigaOS was one of first (if not first) preemtible OS Jan 23 06:26:12 I still want to have A4000T Jan 23 06:26:27 pretty pricey nowadays Jan 23 06:26:28 with 68060+PPC Jan 23 06:26:38 yeah they aren't cheap Jan 23 06:27:13 I sold my A1200+everything few years back when was forced to do so :\ Jan 23 06:27:23 but I would have to hunt for PPC with native m68k code execution - there are some of those Jan 23 06:27:37 mine simply got broken Jan 23 06:27:50 never was in good shape Jan 23 06:28:35 I have to go, working outside of London again Jan 23 06:29:15 ok, have fun Jan 23 06:29:30 would try to\ Jan 23 06:30:20 yesterday we were cleaning solar panels from snow - this was fun Jan 23 06:30:31 50 panels to clean Jan 23 06:46:15 WizardNumberNext: yeah, that been awesome (preemptive workbench) Jan 23 06:46:55 it always worked Jan 23 06:47:16 my 2 pcs A1000 got nuked by RL disasters Jan 23 06:47:33 I am going now, see yea rawly at 18 gmt+1 Jan 23 06:49:30 there been that extremely cute process monitor, which allowed to trace and tweak everything, from signals to memory allocation to priority to stdin/out redir to... Jan 23 06:49:48 never seen anything better Jan 23 06:50:30 like hyper-htop Jan 23 06:50:46 what was the name? Jan 23 06:50:55 stuffed with sysinternals goodies Jan 23 06:51:02 nfc, RST38h Jan 23 06:51:11 that's like 20 years ago Jan 23 06:52:06 * RST38h kinda hoped it were SuperDashBoard Jan 23 07:02:50 sysmon maybe Jan 23 07:03:51 yea i think it was sysmon Jan 23 07:04:08 ..maybe, all those years.. Jan 23 07:58:32 ~seen kerio Jan 23 07:58:32 kerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 457 messages. Is idling for 8h 34m 12s, last said: 'khm: MAME!'. Jan 23 08:24:43 jonwil: yes? Jan 23 08:26:09 You said something the other day about the need to clone the internet configuration stuff so that it is possible to add, edit and switch GPRS APs. Do you have any links or other further info on how this is done at the lower level (or if the lower levels even support it)? Jan 23 08:26:27 That way I know what bits of the system need to be targeted for cloning :) Jan 23 08:28:47 jonwil: just the UI, i think Jan 23 08:28:58 oh, and the autoconnection fucks up if you have more than one gprs connection Jan 23 08:29:00 DocScrutinizer05: jonwil: chem|st: I've not noticed having a problem getting emails from TMO. All the ones from the forum<->email bridge seem to have been coming through - it's just they've been coming through as from webmaster@talk.maemo.org, rather than harmattan@talk.maemo.org or n9@talk.maemo.org Jan 23 08:29:08 like, it always uses the first, or the last used Jan 23 08:29:09 or something Jan 23 08:29:38 but i think that it's still a problem of UI, you can choose autoconnect settings for each IAP, iirc Jan 23 08:29:44 with gconftool Jan 23 08:29:47 Jaffa_: yep, that's correct Jan 23 08:30:02 I dunno if it ever been different Jan 23 08:30:34 It had, because my filters stopped working Jan 23 08:30:57 ok, sounds like I need to target libinternetsettings.so plus whatever libraries it might load or link to Jan 23 08:31:02 actually my notifications from e.g. 2011-11-01 also have webmaster@ for sender Jan 23 08:31:52 "maemo.org - Talk" Jan 23 08:32:43 this is envelope-from Jan 23 08:32:45 DocScrutinizer05: I'm talking about the forum<->email bridge, not just notifications Jan 23 08:33:08 Jaffa_: sorry, what's that bridge? Jan 23 08:35:21 DocScrutinizer05: It allows you to participate in the forum via push email, rather than having to use the web interface Jan 23 08:35:41 Comparison messages: http://pastebin.com/7LTDFYS2 (old) vs. http://pastebin.com/jyGcviYt (new) Jan 23 08:35:57 is this an option in account settings? Jan 23 08:36:24 DocScrutinizer05: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3829 has some background from Reggie. There's a similar thread/post somewhere on TMO Jan 23 08:36:35 mhm Jan 23 08:37:31 ok, I think I know what to target now, first step I think might be to see how it decides to load the GPRS AP if you have autoconnect set Jan 23 08:37:56 but first my N900 is almost dead, need to charge the battery :) Jan 23 08:38:35 Jaffa_: >>From the back-end, a unique email address needs to be assigned to each enabled forum (e.g. forum-general@meego.com, forum-handset@meego.com, etc.). << Jan 23 08:39:07 Jaffa_: we got mail bounces when sender is not a valid receiver addr too Jan 23 08:39:27 Jaffa_: thus chem|st created just webmaster so far, aiui Jan 23 08:45:38 biggest problem with all this is (as usual) the total lack of documentation on the various shared libraries used by all of this (libconnui, libconnui_iapsettings, libconnui_cellular etc etc) Did I ever mention that I would give just about anything to have dev packages for those libraries? :) Jan 23 08:47:14 Jaffa_: anyway that's clearly chem|st's domain Jan 23 08:48:39 jonwil: just RE *everything*, duh :P Jan 23 08:49:09 Those shared libraries have been giving me trouble ever since I first started N900 work :) Jan 23 08:49:52 Even x86 versions of them would help a LOT (but they dont exist) Jan 23 08:57:40 Jaffa_: I'm trying to discuss it with chem|st Jan 23 10:30:22 My face when I discover weird crontabs on the root account of one of my production servers. Jan 23 10:40:50 mixture of surprise, disgust and pure anger? Jan 23 10:41:43 teotwaki: "weird"? Jan 23 10:49:33 yeah, what sort of weird? Jan 23 10:49:41 the pwned kind? :/ Jan 23 11:01:43 no Jan 23 11:02:36 the kind where the infrastructure guys installed a production crontab to backup some files, and do db maintenance on our production... on the source code (gitorious) server... Jan 23 11:10:12 Jaffa_: aiui chem|st claimed nothing has changed, and thedead1440 confirmed that Jan 23 11:10:36 thedead1440: I.E. mails look exactly like they did last year Jan 23 11:10:45 Jaffa_: ^^^ Jan 23 11:10:57 Jaffa_: that's what i've been told Jan 23 11:11:08 o/ Jan 23 11:11:10 afk Jan 23 11:30:08 at 11:25 UTC we enabled repo.m.o. Despite heavy initial load the rest of infra seems stable. On 11:29 page loaded Jan 23 11:33:23 DocScrutinizer05: why is it so slow? still akamai? Jan 23 11:34:06 kerio: 40k hungry N900 Jan 23 11:34:17 heh Jan 23 11:34:23 i thought we decided that it wasn't going to be a problem! Jan 23 11:34:35 not under normal conditions Jan 23 11:34:49 we synced them with our downtime Jan 23 11:35:03 now all 40k are hungry Jan 23 11:35:06 how did we do that? does HAM retry more often if the repos are down? Jan 23 11:35:18 possible Jan 23 11:35:32 anyway we'll watch the situation Jan 23 11:35:40 for a day at least Jan 23 11:36:17 most amazing: rest of infra stays stable, even fast Jan 23 11:36:44 despite virtual channel to repo maxed out Jan 23 11:37:04 FW throttling to shape traffic Jan 23 11:54:21 DocScrutinizer05: do we have a nice page with cute graphs of the load and traffic? Jan 23 11:55:13 I bet somebody has. not me though Jan 23 12:17:14 hehe I should check if ham supports pdiffs and if yes this should be a #1 priority for our new sysadmins to set up Jan 23 12:17:30 the extras-devel packages file is just too huge Jan 23 12:52:50 aaaaand everything down again Jan 23 13:05:15 DocScrutinizer05: Anyway I can help? Jan 23 13:15:59 warfare: we're facing quite spooky issues with the firewall Jan 23 13:16:24 goes down after 90min of flawlessly handling max load Jan 23 13:16:52 rebooted FW, back to normal Jan 23 13:17:21 thanks Jan 23 13:17:36 i was going to say "holy crap it's blazing fast now" but it was just the cache :( Jan 23 13:17:53 nah, it's fast now again Jan 23 13:18:06 just repo probably down now again Jan 23 13:20:52 DocScrutinizer: fw is virtual ..isn't it? Jan 23 13:21:00 yes Jan 23 13:21:05 endian Jan 23 13:21:39 actually repo isn't down Jan 23 13:22:10 maybe we just need a cronjob to reboot the FW every 60 min ;-P Jan 23 13:22:40 xen can emulate the network interface with various harware types...often vm kernel support is not of the same idea Jan 23 13:23:18 I'll forward it like this Jan 23 13:23:58 changing kind of emulation could ensure stability with some kernel Jan 23 13:24:32 if remember well, inside the vm there is an lts 12.04.. Jan 23 13:24:37 DocScrutinizer05: What Firewall are you using? Jan 23 13:24:57 Just Linux/iptables? Or something custom? Jan 23 13:25:17 Endian (community edition) - I heard Jan 23 13:26:24 And this is virtualized on xen? Jan 23 13:26:52 Full virtualization or para? Jan 23 13:26:54 http://www.endian.com/en/community/ Jan 23 13:27:05 yep, virtualized on xen-grid Jan 23 13:28:26 Sounds like the machine is running out of conntrack entries. Jan 23 13:30:51 statistacally talking: one firewall distro maybe already has this kind of optimizations Jan 23 13:31:16 Can someone run " sysctl net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max" on this machine? Jan 23 13:31:39 I think it's already been tuned Jan 23 13:31:44 mompls Jan 23 13:32:56 nope, not yet Jan 23 13:39:03 not tuned or not back up yet? ;) Jan 23 13:39:31 not tuned Jan 23 13:39:42 ok, time to see about cloning libinternetsettings.so :) Jan 23 13:40:10 afk Jan 23 14:03:16 * thedead1440 doesn't understand why some people believe maemo.org domain must be changed to welcome new OSes... Jan 23 14:06:15 thedead1440: I have the same confusion Jan 23 14:06:17 is wiki.maemo.org supposed to be slow right now? Jan 23 14:07:13 khm: some people these days on TMO feel everything that is new must be given priority and everything else just ignored... A radical and foolish train of thought actually... Jan 23 14:07:34 yeah, speaking as an n810 owner, I know the feeling Jan 23 14:08:48 well at least that was within the same maemo devices; now its on 3rd-party OSes that don't even have a single commercially available devices... The n810 thing happened to n900 when n9 first came in but things stabilize themselves a few months later as they have now Jan 23 14:09:35 right Jan 23 14:09:43 I've got all three devices; I know the story Jan 23 14:09:49 :) Jan 23 14:09:56 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what stops those people from registering acmenewfutureforme.com and simply run their own forum instead of pushing renames of the existing one. Do those folks plan to hijack the rest of us? Jan 23 14:09:57 thedead1440: I disagree that n9 the same thing to n900 as n900 to n810 Jan 23 14:10:18 freemangordon: the common thread is mer Jan 23 14:10:27 mer is a new n810 os! I mean n900 os! I mean n9 os! Jan 23 14:10:32 freemangordon: i meant it as in the way the forums were flooded; device closeness well we all know its not a point-for-point replica Jan 23 14:10:50 khm: :nod: Jan 23 14:10:52 but yeah, the older devices get lost in the noise for a while when the new shiny comes out Jan 23 14:10:59 but they recover Jan 23 14:11:27 ok, wiki.maemo.org seems to be down completly now Jan 23 14:11:32 thedead1440: aah, I see. But it was not n90, but all the hype around Meego Jan 23 14:11:38 oh wait no its just acting wierd Jan 23 14:11:46 jonwil: it is just slow Jan 23 14:11:52 ok Jan 23 14:12:03 the same for garage and such Jan 23 14:12:09 freemangordon: something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1316898&postcount=21 Jan 23 14:12:34 thedead1440: yeah, i read that Jan 23 14:12:49 who is going to pay for being the sailfish/plasma/ubuntu "hub" Jan 23 14:13:02 it just doesn't make sense even more so when it comes from people who have been around for much longer Jan 23 14:13:02 also ubuntu already has a fairly massive and overfunded community infrastructure Jan 23 14:13:02 the same was in meego times "maemo is dead, don;t waste your time" Jan 23 14:15:06 freemangordon: read abit on the Maemo/MeeGo thing; well we all know how that turned out :D Jan 23 14:52:23 I think N900 activity always remained strong despite N9, maybe not so for N810. In a way, N900 was a very compelling upgrade to N810 Jan 23 14:53:44 ShadowJK: the n900 was a "better n810", but all it really added was phone and faster hardware Jan 23 14:54:05 the n810 is still a great machine. I have one I take with me often and one mounted to the dashboard of my motorcycle Jan 23 15:09:06 Smaller screen though Jan 23 15:09:14 * RST38h moos Jan 23 15:10:16 ShadowJK: Ever encountered situation where N900 battery suddenly registers as dead, the phone starts complaining, etc. Once I quit everything, lock it, and place it in my pocket, the battery goes back to "good" (50%) state after 15 minutes or so Jan 23 15:10:28 +Vastly improved perf, -smaller screen, +touch sensitivity, -no tablet-only version, +phonefunctionality Jan 23 15:10:42 The batterygraph shows current (but not voltage) suddenly jumping all the way down Jan 23 15:11:34 RST38h; sounds like a really really worn battery Jan 23 15:12:20 ShadowJK: Ah, thought so Jan 23 15:14:37 Unfortunately the batterygraph current is derviced from consecutive capacity measurements. The capacity measurements by bme is roughly "make rough guess based on voltage and preprogrammed voltage-to-capacity curve, add/subtract capacity based on measured current, if capacity/voltage deviates too much from curve, do big step-adjustment of capacity" Jan 23 15:15:35 So basically what I think is happening is that the load of screen on pulls vooltage so low that bme does a big step-adjustment. Batterygraph interprets that as massive sudden drain. Jan 23 15:17:01 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar this is my bq27200.sh script. Be root via rootsh's "root" command, wget that file, tar -xf it, "./bq27200sh 5" (not compatible with kernelcharging or battery modules in powerkernel) Jan 23 15:18:03 columns are: time, voltage, charge percent, charge percent, charge in mAh, same, same, time to full, time to empty, temperature Jan 23 15:18:49 oh shit I forgot a column Jan 23 15:19:37 ShadowJK: ah, I should have checked the capacity reading Jan 23 15:19:54 there's "mA" between percentage and mAh.. shows current consumption (if negative) or current charge rate (if positive) Jan 23 15:20:04 It's not necessarily correct. Jan 23 15:20:32 * RST38h wonders if he can still buy the original nokia battery somewhere Jan 23 15:20:58 RST38h: bl-5js are used in a bunch of models Jan 23 15:20:58 Especially if battery is in poor health, it'll have massively different effective capacity between idling to empty or active use to empty Jan 23 15:21:06 Nokia Store has been shattered, it is not an empty room covered with Samsung ads Jan 23 15:21:12 and the more recent original ones are ~1400mAh Jan 23 15:21:13 s/not/now Jan 23 15:22:00 Nokia even buffed the capacity of BL-5J, the recent original Nokia ones are 1440+ mAh (never saw more than 1250 from the old originals) Jan 23 15:22:24 on aliexpress there's a bl-5j that holds 1600mAh, according to vi____ Jan 23 15:24:46 omg it's up Jan 23 15:24:58 RMO Jan 23 15:25:11 for how long? Jan 23 15:25:24 well, last time I checked half an hour ago it was down. Jan 23 15:25:26 Now it's up. Jan 23 15:25:38 Ah, down again. :-D Jan 23 15:25:43 It was up earlier until the firewall crashed ;) Jan 23 15:25:44 Anyway, as for judging battery health.. press enter to put a mark in the output, screen on / screen off 30s each, take most stable looking reading from both. take the difference in mV between the two, divided by 1000, divide that by the difference between the two mA readings also divided by 1000. If > .5: weak-ish, >1: bad, replace >2: worthless Jan 23 15:25:50 But I got it's main page, I swear. :-D Jan 23 15:25:54 Once. :-D Jan 23 15:25:57 Complicated =) Jan 23 15:25:58 Thanks! Jan 23 15:26:24 speedevil has a script somewhere that does this automatically and averages several readings.. Jan 23 15:27:24 ohm.sh Jan 23 15:27:34 RST38h; it's basically " does voltage change alot when load changes" Jan 23 15:27:34 I have no idea where it might e Jan 23 15:27:35 be Jan 23 15:28:54 ShadowJK: which basically means "internal resistance went up: Jan 23 15:28:56 " Jan 23 15:29:25 yes Jan 23 15:29:52 .5 is point I'd replace at myself Jan 23 15:30:22 I did use a .7-.9 (started out much better) on my previous N900 Jan 23 16:05:48 Hi , i asked a question about accuweather for N900 but no one replied on TMO . Did they release it ? Jan 23 16:13:50 myname24: when did you ask the question? Jan 23 16:16:23 An hour ago on an old thread . But a simple answer is enough yes or no ? Jan 23 16:17:36 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51249 Jan 23 16:18:37 myname24: why do you assume everyone knows the answer Jan 23 16:20:29 and technically speaking, you did get a reply :) Even though it's off topic Jan 23 16:21:35 Just off topic :) Jan 23 16:23:09 So do you have an answer for me ? Jan 23 16:23:14 myname24: I don't believe it was ever released Jan 23 16:23:48 hm, RMO is quite fast now Jan 23 16:26:27 Thanks for your answer :) same old story like flash 10 Jan 23 16:26:32 i spoke too soon :( Jan 23 16:30:56 And also the same story of flash 10 because it's available in the unreleased repo :) Jan 23 17:32:32 repository.maemo.org is online again? Jan 23 17:32:55 kgu: kinda Jan 23 17:32:59 still slow Jan 23 17:33:09 that means the builder eventually will come back :) Jan 23 17:33:23 connecting with apt fails, for me Jan 23 17:33:26 :c Jan 23 17:33:43 me too Jan 23 17:33:46 http://maemo.org doesn't work though Jan 23 17:34:01 wiki.maemo.org down too Jan 23 17:34:21 yeah, the whole firewall is hammered, or something Jan 23 17:34:44 ok, guess it is quite busy atm Jan 23 17:37:14 do we know what firewall it is behind? Jan 23 17:46:52 How come I see this message with apt-get update: "Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 178.33.236.141 80]" Jan 23 17:47:04 repository.maemo.org is 188.117.59.205 Jan 23 17:48:02 Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (188.117.59.205) Jan 23 17:48:06 Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 188.40.39.11 80] Jan 23 17:48:10 what the fuck, apt Jan 23 17:48:11 what the fuck Jan 23 17:49:04 hmm, wonder if there is still some DNS-issues Jan 23 17:49:22 kerio: wtf Jan 23 17:49:26 188.40.39.11 is my server Jan 23 17:49:43 then i guess that apt sucks at error messages Jan 23 18:11:57 hosts file? dns caching? Jan 23 18:15:21 hosts file is clean. Even tried to add '188.117.59.205 repository.maemo.org' in hosts file, but still see the same error message Jan 23 18:16:56 bizarre Jan 23 18:30:52 DocScrutinizer05: Still firewall issues? Jan 23 18:33:33 so not a single BL-5J at any of the 3 phone stores downtown Jan 23 18:43:42 Luke-Jr: ebay has lots of them Jan 23 18:43:56 r00t|home: and they're probably all fake, used, or both Jan 23 18:51:30 Luke-Jr: well, i bought all mine as new from german auctions... for ~3eur w/ shipping each Jan 23 18:51:48 Luke-Jr: but even the "oem" ones from china are better than none Jan 23 18:54:19 hm I got mine from the nokia care point here :D Jan 23 18:54:53 What is the ~lifetime for BL-5J? Jan 23 18:59:08 Luke-Jr: Have you looked at the Polarcell on Ebay? Jan 23 19:03:53 kgu: Li-ion batteries are said to lose ~20% capacity p/a Jan 23 19:05:17 worst case scenario. Jan 23 19:05:28 ok, guess I have 40% left then :) Jan 23 19:19:26 someone said repo will be back in shortly Jan 23 19:19:41 i know shit is hard but fuck Jan 23 19:20:06 anyone knows about any reliable mirrors? Jan 23 19:20:28 i just want my drnoknes to test my gamegripper thingy Jan 23 19:20:46 tommis: if you need extras-devel, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install Jan 23 19:20:51 and disable the standard extras-devel Jan 23 19:20:53 this one is much better Jan 23 19:21:28 i don't know what do i need to do? Jan 23 19:21:34 open that link on the n900 :) Jan 23 19:21:37 k Jan 23 19:21:44 n900 package system is weird Jan 23 19:21:52 or add deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free to your sources.list Jan 23 19:21:57 it's just apt Jan 23 19:22:01 with a crappy GUI Jan 23 19:22:45 I cannot seem to get wiki.maemo.org loaded. Is it working at the moment? Jan 23 19:23:15 doesn't respond to ping here Jan 23 19:24:26 working but ... slow Jan 23 19:58:56 it's funny how tmo works flawlessly while wiki repos and friends suck Jan 23 20:05:00 they are on two different servers, right? Jan 23 20:06:22 yeah, two different everythings Jan 23 20:07:47 kerio: afaik tmo moved into the xen-vm mess Jan 23 20:07:54 so it is not anymore on a different server perse Jan 23 20:10:39 Are there any non-peak hours for traffic towards repos? Jan 23 20:16:33 dunno Jan 23 20:16:46 DocScrutinizer is convinced that it's the 40k n900s updating at the same time Jan 23 20:16:47 but if you only need extras-devel there are mirrors out there (for cssu too) Jan 23 20:20:29 kerio: They do update at the same time? Jan 23 20:20:34 i don't think so Jan 23 20:20:38 that's why i think it's weird Jan 23 20:20:59 I can't see how, surely they are all set to different times Jan 23 20:22:36 is it possible to see when the update on a n900 is scheduled? Jan 23 20:24:06 kgu: install alarmclient Jan 23 20:24:48 wouldn't it be more efficient to see how many connections are being made? Jan 23 20:25:09 so DocScrutinizer believes the server is getting ddos'd? Jan 23 20:26:18 kgu: Mine is 19:21:45 Jan 23 20:26:41 sixwheeledbeast: daily? Jan 23 20:26:42 mine is january 20th, 2018 Jan 23 20:26:50 because fuck HAM Jan 23 20:26:53 /var/cachealarmd/alarm_queue.ini Jan 23 20:27:07 */var/cache/alarmd Jan 23 20:27:23 daily = 86400 seconds Jan 23 20:30:06 sixwheeledbeast: ok, but guess it is 86400 seconds from last run, so don't think the 40k n900s will update at the same time Jan 23 20:30:31 exactly Jan 23 20:30:42 is 40k n900s all there is? Jan 23 20:31:36 40k that update. Jan 23 20:31:40 Roughly 100k sold. Jan 23 20:31:47 kgu: in the queue file I have the first apt-get in unix time Jan 23 20:32:30 this was back in 2010, so every 86400 second after this at 19:21 Jan 23 20:33:24 teotwaki_: ok, we are the chosen onces ;) Jan 23 20:37:27 come to think of it, this will make high and low traffic times. Jan 23 20:38:31 sixwheeledbeast: how? Jan 23 20:39:46 sixwheeledbeast: every manual refresh resets the timer, mind you Jan 23 20:40:03 if it's calculated from first update after a reflash, there's periods were USA/Europe are both asleep Jan 23 20:40:07 for example Jan 23 20:42:02 afz: heya Jan 23 20:42:25 yup Jan 23 20:42:49 well, a lot of us geeks are also awake at night, and reflash at night, so guees it will equal out Jan 23 20:43:36 kgu: exactly, can't remember when I last reflashed while there was still daylight :D Jan 23 20:43:48 heh Jan 23 20:45:17 Who runs the firewalls? Jan 23 20:46:21 and are there any hw-loadbalancers? Jan 23 20:47:38 kgu: Firewall is an "endian" firewall on xen, and I don't think there are loadbalancers in place. Jan 23 20:49:16 so it is all software based? Jan 23 20:49:26 afaik yes Jan 23 20:50:01 and repos is only located on one server? Jan 23 20:51:05 Should be possible with fast disks and fast server software (nginx, the like) Jan 23 20:51:40 Yes, you are right - it should be able to handle this amount of traffic Jan 23 20:52:23 sixwheeledbeast: Do you remember how to change to update interval? Jan 23 20:52:34 * merlin1991 is happy that there aren't that many cssu-thumb users Jan 23 20:52:50 warfare: there's limited finance. Jan 23 20:53:05 merlin1991: How many users do you have? Jan 23 20:53:27 last time I checked cssu-thumb had about 800 users Jan 23 20:53:28 teotwaki_: and probably limited time. Jan 23 20:53:41 but that was about 2 months back iirc Jan 23 20:55:15 That's also quite a bounch of geeks ;) Can you really feel that the n900 is faster on thumb? Or is it only better memory footprint? Jan 23 20:55:32 ~thumb Jan 23 20:55:33 Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ Jan 23 20:55:36 arf Jan 23 20:55:40 ~cssu-thumb Jan 23 20:55:40 somebody said cssu-thumb was [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Jan 23 20:55:53 infobot: #maemo thumb is see cssu-thumb Jan 23 20:55:54 okay, kerio Jan 23 20:55:58 ~thumb Jan 23 20:55:58 hmm... cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Jan 23 20:56:28 kgu: it's really hard to determine how many unique clients the repo has though, it measured it by counting the distinct downloads for the metapackge once a release was out Jan 23 20:56:43 s/it m/i m/ Jan 23 20:56:44 merlin1991 meant: kgu: it's really hard to determine how many unique clients the repo has though, i measured it by counting the distinct downloads for the metapackge once a release was out Jan 23 20:57:43