**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:59 2013 Jan 27 03:00:11 tmo had no connection problems yet Jan 27 03:01:11 as soon as repo was turned live the firewall collapsed, firewall in front of maemo.org but not talk.mo Jan 27 03:02:18 they are still trying to find out what the issue is Jan 27 03:02:38 tmo is back btw Jan 27 03:02:48 and search should work properly now Jan 27 03:07:23 ok Jan 27 03:07:26 makes sense Jan 27 03:07:52 Thankfully there seems to be a usable mirror of the nokia-binaries repo out there :) Jan 27 06:23:23 yeah, thanks brkn and thedead1440. and what? wiki working? highly unlikely. Jan 27 06:24:06 the firewall is so fubar, nemein can't even log in to reboot the shite Jan 27 06:25:42 but indeed, seems to have recovered minimally Jan 27 06:28:17 wiki is working for you DocScrutinizer05? Here i waited 4mins still no pingback Jan 27 06:30:50 it doesn't ping I guess, FW, you know ;-P Jan 27 06:30:58 hehe Jan 27 06:31:05 it loaded 60% here Jan 27 06:31:30 even 100% now Jan 27 06:33:09 maybe the Great Firewall of Nemein is breaking down at 2 connections :p Jan 27 06:33:11 and another CSS-less load Jan 27 06:33:47 nah, 1, you need to set your network timeouts to 60s or more Jan 27 06:35:24 and the f* FW of Nemein breaks down at 64k connections, which easily heap up since timeout for stale connections is Jan 27 06:35:35 hehe Jan 27 06:36:06 warfare has the gory details Jan 27 06:36:12 yay a full page of wiki loaded with proper styling :D Jan 27 06:43:46 ~432000 / 3600 Jan 27 06:43:58 *sigh* Jan 27 06:44:19 its 120 Doc Jan 27 06:44:56 hehe infobot quit around 10 hours ago :D Jan 27 06:45:40 I kicked her ass 10s ago Jan 27 06:45:50 aaaaand Jan 27 06:46:20 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jan 27 06:48:28 120h are 5 friggin days, too early for all the stale connections in FW conntrack to reset Jan 27 06:49:35 haha Jan 27 06:50:07 no haha Jan 27 06:50:16 it is haha Jan 27 06:50:27 [2013-01-26 00:22:01] Riecht nach voller conntrack table. Default bei Endian sind 64k Verbindungen. Und wenn eine Session erstmal "established" ist, hält die auch 432000 Sekunden, es sei denn, sie wird sauber geschlossen. Jan 27 06:51:23 we have only 48h or sth Jan 27 06:51:31 since last FW reboot Jan 27 06:51:37 ouch Jan 27 06:51:51 that means this would stretch to Tuesday/Wednesday Jan 27 06:51:59 hahaha Jan 27 06:52:07 lol Jan 27 06:52:25 but if FW is brought down then too we would need to wait for the stale connections? Jan 27 06:53:51 aiui each connection allocates a slot in conntrack table, and if it stalls then that slot will get freed after a timeout that is 432000 by default Jan 27 06:54:19 when all slots in conntrack table are allocated, no more new connections Jan 27 06:55:04 an how many connection slots are there? and why was the timeout not reduced from 432000? Jan 27 06:55:04 all my dummy ideas of how stuff works Jan 27 06:55:21 64k in conntrack Jan 27 06:55:55 thats bad; FW should be brought down then Jan 27 06:56:05 which pretty much matches our 90min to 3h to 6h of max "flawless" operation of the FW Jan 27 06:57:16 so FW will be brought down on Monday right? That way these stale connections won't be an issue Jan 27 06:57:58 [2013-01-26 00:25:26] mashiara: sysctl -w net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max=256000 ; echo "net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max = 256000" >> /etc/sysctl.conf Jan 27 06:58:20 alas - see timestamp - nobody has tried that yet Jan 27 06:58:26 i don't quite understand why it can't just be reconfigured :-/ Jan 27 06:58:33 because its the weekends Doc :p Jan 27 06:59:46 Sicelo: it of course can get reconfigured. It's just mashiara been busy and now is on a journey even Jan 27 07:01:07 he had to catch a flight ~24h ago, and last msg of him been [2013-01-25 21:44:37] ah crap... I need to fly to stockholm tomorrow morning, I have *not* prepared at all... Jan 27 07:01:57 :D Jan 27 07:02:46 and this been our last FW boot: [2013-01-25 21:18:06] kicked the fw, will now checkout db Jan 27 07:05:17 the guy is doing overtime way more than allowed, to handle it all as good as possible, honestly if somebody is to blame then that's Nokia who ordered migration GO just 2 weeks before x-mas, when everybody already been in holiday and they *came back* to do maemo-migration, go figure Jan 27 07:06:05 agreed DocScrutinizer05 Jan 27 07:07:31 and official *huge* Thank You to Eero and Nemein at large for an awesome work they did under mission impossible conditions Jan 27 07:07:58 FW? meh, shit happens Jan 27 07:09:21 it's extremely annoying, not only for maemo users but also for Eero/mashiara and Nemein, but honestly it could have been way worse Jan 27 07:09:40 quite true Jan 27 07:12:48 and whole tmo is 100% goodwill by Nemein, for the VM they basically donated to us. This never been part of the order Nokia gave to Nemein Jan 27 07:14:31 btw thanks chem|st for fixing stuff re tmo search. :-) Jan 27 07:14:40 hm.. ive not been in this channel for a while. Any cool new apps in the world of N900s? Jan 27 07:14:56 Psi: hahahaha Jan 27 07:15:02 Psi: sorry Jan 27 07:15:12 pretty much dead ended? Jan 27 07:15:23 DocScrutinizer05: yup; this morning when i tried tmo it was down; tried it later and phew it was up :D Jan 27 07:15:24 hows that work going to get android working on the n900? Jan 27 07:15:44 Psi: just you're asking a question that kinda sounds funny in times where aour trouble is something different than newest apps Jan 27 07:17:11 Psi: actually I can't answer your question about newest coolest apps, since autobuilder isn't completely back to normal operation yet Jan 27 07:17:24 heh Jan 27 07:17:52 im still using my n900, but ive not looked at the repo for ages Jan 27 07:18:00 so I *guess* last app built been ~27.12.2012 Jan 27 07:20:25 Psi: http://hildonfoundation.org/support/ Jan 27 07:21:11 Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 Jan 27 07:21:22 true Jan 27 07:21:52 Psi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure Jan 27 07:22:50 Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1303767#post1303767 Jan 27 07:24:37 Psi: and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-27.log.html#t2013-01-27T03:48:10 Jan 27 07:25:30 yeah Jan 27 07:25:52 ~mirrors Jan 27 07:25:52 extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 27 07:26:14 those are from Dec 2012 Jan 27 07:26:32 skeiron is supposed to work without hashsum errors Jan 27 07:31:19 thedead1440: is skeiron a wind, like here: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/gods_of_the_winds.html ? Jan 27 07:31:42 DocScrutinizer05: indeed; the reason we chose it was to keep the tradition going ;) Jan 27 07:32:50 I think we were deciding between 6 winds and skeiron was available + the better sounding one Jan 27 07:33:04 :nod: Jan 27 07:33:09 perfect Jan 27 08:31:36 the sdk tools repo on skeiron has hash sum mismatches Jan 27 08:31:46 the one on wedrop works fine Jan 27 09:11:31 I agree, that Nokia ordering move 2 weeks before x-mas wan't kind, but migration in December was known to happen ~6 months earlier, or more. You know who I'm looking at for being not prepared. Thanks goodness, that Nemein & co turned out to be such nice guys, or we would be in well-expected limbo Jan 27 09:12:09 anyway, whatever, I don't want to get into this shit again Jan 27 09:12:33 ShadowJK, as for offset and alligment of cards, most new ones aren't Jan 27 09:12:47 I'm just curious, if our eMMC could benefit from doing offset aligment? Jan 27 09:13:01 no idea if it apply to it too Jan 27 09:13:30 BTW, yeterday, even trying to use bluetooth adaptor and fm radio at the same time resulted in hildon-home crashing, and then, everything getting frozen Jan 27 09:13:56 device was accessible via ssh, but killing things haven't helped at all, and ssh freezed when trying to stop some services Jan 27 09:14:19 new ssh connections were possible, but at trying to start said services again, every connection got frozen to Jan 27 09:14:53 finally, I forced reboot by killing Xorg :P I wonder, what makes N900 to go, in certain situations, to "accessible but frozen" state Jan 27 09:15:22 where you can lock and unlock screen, and it goes blank and re-appears on touch with respect to settings, but is otherwise frozen... Jan 27 09:15:57 yet perfectly fine (and fast) available through ssh, top & co working, it doesn't show anything hogging up cpu... Jan 27 09:16:30 yet, killing thigs doesn't seem to work at all, or any other command, or do any effect on frozen device, unless you kill essential thig like xorg Jan 27 09:16:44 I've seen it in different situations, many times Jan 27 09:17:07 at some "extreme" errors it just goes into that state, nothing suspicious in syslog then... Jan 27 09:17:26 BTW it appends to different devices, so no hw error possible Jan 27 09:17:36 just curious Jan 27 09:18:44 now funny quic Jan 27 09:18:47 quiz* Jan 27 09:18:54 what do yu think this device is? Jan 27 09:19:09 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1.jpg Jan 27 09:19:54 Estel_: hm, a nokia 404? Jan 27 09:20:03 right :P sorry, fixing link Jan 27 09:20:16 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/400x300/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 Jan 27 09:20:25 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1 Jan 27 09:20:29 if i had to guess, it would be a n900 Jan 27 09:20:41 but the keyboard is weird Jan 27 09:20:51 right... now look a little closer... Jan 27 09:20:53 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264 Jan 27 09:21:26 even closer... Jan 27 09:21:27 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_6 Jan 27 09:21:28 does the logo still say nokia? Jan 27 09:21:48 yea Jan 27 09:21:52 tadam!: Jan 27 09:21:54 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_3 Jan 27 09:22:17 and close-up: Jan 27 09:22:19 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_4 Jan 27 09:22:28 well, at least there's no issue with the uSD being forcibly removed when you take off the backcover Jan 27 09:22:33 and the battery is bigger than the stock bl-5j Jan 27 09:22:37 it's unbeliveable, that chinese are still releasing new clones of N900 Jan 27 09:22:46 this one is quite sneaky, though Jan 27 09:22:56 unless you open backcover Jan 27 09:23:01 it's slightly shorter than the n900, right? Jan 27 09:23:08 if the would make keyboard a little better Jan 27 09:23:11 the real one has a bit of space on the sides of the keyboard Jan 27 09:23:13 no, same dimensions Jan 27 09:23:16 yes Jan 27 09:23:20 oh, the keys are wider? Jan 27 09:23:21 they fucked up keyboard Jan 27 09:23:23 yea Jan 27 09:23:43 but this: Jan 27 09:23:44 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 Jan 27 09:23:46 hey DocScrutinizer! wanna buy a new n900? Jan 27 09:23:47 is masterpiece Jan 27 09:23:50 :P Jan 27 09:23:58 was going to ask same question Jan 27 09:24:08 how's the touchscreen? utter crap? Jan 27 09:24:22 what are the specs? Jan 27 09:24:25 working quite ok. BTW, look at homescreen :P Jan 27 09:24:36 some sort of symbian belle ripoff Jan 27 09:24:37 http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_5 Jan 27 09:24:41 yea Jan 27 09:25:01 specs are as in chinesee phones, *no* 32 GB inside Jan 27 09:25:08 it's now your personal duty to run fremantle on it Jan 27 09:25:14 although two sims work quite well in 3G :P Jan 27 09:25:23 sure, if I swap motherboards Jan 27 09:25:28 I'll run fremantle inside Jan 27 09:25:29 that's cheating Jan 27 09:25:50 but description was funny Jan 27 09:26:03 seller havent tried to hide, that it's "replica" Jan 27 09:26:14 said that it doesnt have 32 GB and no wifi (sic) Jan 27 09:26:26 lower res camera Jan 27 09:26:45 "but rest of functions is like in original N900" Jan 27 09:26:47 LOL Jan 27 09:26:49 well, no wifi is clearly a dealbreaker Jan 27 09:27:15 how are you supposed to use the amazing internal browser? Jan 27 09:27:23 whole "replican is dealbreaker, I was just amazed about fact that chinese still see making clones of N900 as profitable Jan 27 09:27:42 Estel_: woooosh Jan 27 09:27:47 what do you want from microB, it's still better than any mobile browser I've seen Jan 27 09:28:09 i meant the amazing internal browser of the replica Jan 27 09:28:13 for some things I use chromium via easy debian, for most, microB hangs very well Jan 27 09:28:14 ah Jan 27 09:28:18 don't even ask :P Jan 27 09:28:46 3G works but seems uterly limited to some 1Mb/s or so Jan 27 09:28:59 it's rather funny toy for N900 collectors Jan 27 09:29:10 which browser? some replicas have java, and they have opera mini, which is still fairly good Jan 27 09:29:20 but you know what? usb port is quite durable Jan 27 09:29:37 haven't tested if java is present, could be Jan 27 09:29:39 btw Jan 27 09:29:53 once i saw N900 replica, which had telescopic antenna in place of stylus Jan 27 09:30:00 for analog TV receiver Jan 27 09:30:01 .P Jan 27 09:30:19 of course whole replica was "much" less ressembling N900, at first sight Jan 27 09:30:23 still, funny idea Jan 27 09:30:24 Estel_: http://www.youtube.com/ashens Jan 27 09:30:31 those are all based on one rather crappy chipset and reference design Jan 27 09:30:53 with as much RAM as my radioclock Jan 27 09:31:23 yea :P Jan 27 09:31:27 he reviewed an iphone ripoff, and as he tried to pick up the "stylus", it turned out to be an antenna Jan 27 09:31:36 much laughs were had Jan 27 09:31:36 honestly 100% useless for anything except making phonecalls (if you're lucky) Jan 27 09:31:40 *many Jan 27 09:31:49 but DocScrutinizer05, you must admit, that they worked on case quite hard Jan 27 09:32:06 I guess they simply bought original spares Jan 27 09:32:09 nope Jan 27 09:32:20 close-ups reveal different details Jan 27 09:32:31 it's definitelly not replacement part Jan 27 09:32:35 even not original one Jan 27 09:32:47 internals are suited for "replica" motherboard Jan 27 09:33:03 well, someone admitted, that N900 is cult device and need "replicas" :P Jan 27 09:33:25 fun fact - rip-off cost half price of perfect condition used N900 Jan 27 09:34:06 BTW, idiots are buying vertu "replicas" for 500 USD Jan 27 09:34:11 knowing that they're fake Jan 27 09:34:37 just because it resemble vertu, chinese are selling them for 200 USD, and local dealer make another 300 of profit Jan 27 09:35:09 of course it include fake-leather box, fake certificate of originality, etc Jan 27 09:35:22 oh, well. Jan 27 09:35:50 I still need to work a little on theme and such things and sell one N900 as "hacker modified phone" Jan 27 09:36:06 "with pentest suite" Jan 27 09:36:16 "and spy functionality" Jan 27 09:37:03 and certificate! ;-P Jan 27 09:37:08 do you reemember guy from ebay who was buying all devices beyond certain price, instantly? Jan 27 09:37:18 and a black hat Jan 27 09:37:23 as tracked by tmo members, he bouth something about 130 of them Jan 27 09:37:39 I'm sure he was doing something like that with them on local market Jan 27 09:38:09 DocScrutinizer05: like, a literal black hat? Jan 27 09:38:15 yes! Jan 27 09:38:17 ie a hat made of black fabric Jan 27 09:38:19 heh Jan 27 09:38:21 well, I remember N900's selling for something like 700 USD locally, lately, someone saw them selling for 400 usd Jan 27 09:38:30 Estel_: http://pwnieexpress.com/products/pwnphone Jan 27 09:38:42 but they haven't had smscon configured for spying on your husband/wife Jan 27 09:38:43 yea Jan 27 09:38:52 or employee Jan 27 09:38:55 1k$ for a standard-issue n900 and a usb adapter Jan 27 09:39:18 right, it wasn't 400 usd, I messed up currencies Jan 27 09:39:24 1K usd was cheapest Jan 27 09:39:34 i just... don't get it Jan 27 09:40:34 0.0 sounds like a great business Jan 27 09:40:53 Buy phone for $200, extra stuff for $5. Sell for $995 Jan 27 09:41:10 you know what? jokes aside, I *will* stuff N900 with pentesting and "spy" things, and use matching theme Jan 27 09:41:20 and try selling it for 800 usd on local wannabe-ebay Jan 27 09:41:25 will report back Jan 27 09:41:25 Heck, thanks to BM and custom images, he doesn't even have to install the software on each device, etc. Jan 27 09:41:58 will report back after buying every N900 available :P joking Jan 27 09:42:00 well Jan 27 09:42:12 I think one wont sell more than 2-3 per month Jan 27 09:42:25 after all, how many people need pwn spy omghax0r device Jan 27 09:42:31 + is idiot Jan 27 09:42:39 So? It's a few minutes work, for a good 750*3/month. Jan 27 09:42:44 sure Jan 27 09:42:55 Added to his other boxes... good money right there Jan 27 09:42:57 Estel_: the guy named n950 would buy all your stock if you just put a proto sticker somewhere on it ;) Jan 27 09:43:12 lol Jan 27 09:43:16 proto? wtf is that? Jan 27 09:43:22 prototype Jan 27 09:43:23 ah Jan 27 09:43:53 i'm planning to put a proto sticker on a few N9s and offering to him for 1,500euros apiece Jan 27 09:44:17 guy named N950, eh... Man named thursday Jan 27 09:44:27 no, it was Jan 27 09:44:32 "man who was thursday" Jan 27 09:45:11 WTF?! >> Getting started Make sure the keyboard is not slid out, otherwise you will be greeted with the backup menu. Turn the phone on by holding the small power button on the top (between volume and camera buttons) and sliding the side button on the right down. Phone will vibrate and white Nokia screen will appear.<< Jan 27 09:45:12 Heck, how about one personalized to you? It's trivial to engrave someone's name on the back... Jan 27 09:45:25 robbiethe1st: that's a brilliant idea. Jan 27 09:45:45 Heck, make /proc/cpuinfo report hwrev 0900. Jan 27 09:45:49 DocScrutinizer05, wtf is that? Jan 27 09:45:50 DocScrutinizer05, on which page? Jan 27 09:46:10 http://downloads.pwnieexpress.com/pdfs/pwnphonemanual.pdf Jan 27 09:46:16 Heh. Jan 27 09:46:24 hehe robbiethe1st you are famous :p Jan 27 09:46:31 thedead1440: Have it laser-engraved on a fee black N9s. Jan 27 09:46:37 I am, seems. Jan 27 09:46:51 Make sure it has cryptic letters on it, like S1.12. Jan 27 09:47:00 Hurrian: yup that's what I was thinking and maybe a few hair-line screen cracks to show its aged :D Jan 27 09:47:00 s/fee/few/ Jan 27 09:47:14 I wonder which fool came up with the idea that it needs holding power butten while sliding lockswitch, to power up the N900 Jan 27 09:47:40 DocScrutinizer05, wow, didn't see that Jan 27 09:47:46 That's... odd Jan 27 09:48:20 thedead1440: file away the regulatory marks too Jan 27 09:48:41 replace that with laser-engraved "NOKIA INTERNAL C0 PROTO" Jan 27 09:48:50 "TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST" Jan 27 09:48:56 hahaha Jan 27 09:49:36 I think it'd be better to put "Developer Device. Not For Resale" on it. Jan 27 09:49:56 Just like the Genuine Article(tm) Jan 27 09:49:57 Hurrian: I was actually waiting for n950 to approach thp after this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1302014&postcount=52 but thp spoiled it with the disclaimer; would've been epic Jan 27 09:50:23 hahahaha Jan 27 09:50:31 robbiethe1st: no dev device is N950 non-proto he knows that so just putting anything stupid there that he hasn't seen before would get him hooked ;) Jan 27 09:50:48 heh Jan 27 09:50:53 explosive phone Jan 27 09:51:21 damn, now I'm really tempted to visit my local car mods shop to have some stretched Arial text lazered onto my N9. Jan 27 09:51:49 Oh, I know. Take a N900, grab one of the Chinese body kits, swap the guts out. You could have a white N900. Jan 27 09:51:58 robbiethe1st: I see such things, that's why my nick is Doc Scrutinizer Jan 27 09:52:03 Rare prototype /white/ Jan 27 09:52:04 Hurrian: do it ;) He'll offer standard 1,500 Euros if you don't confirm to sell by your second PM... I've heard of this from people he offered to buy their devices from Jan 27 09:52:54 thedead1440: PM 1 "Look at this", PM 2 "Open to offers" ? Jan 27 09:53:07 yup and he'll drool over it :D Jan 27 09:53:33 he offered Arie 1,500 too for each of his standard-issue N950s Jan 27 09:53:49 odd fetishes he has Jan 27 09:54:03 DocScrutinizer05, better idea: how about sell a N900 with non-functioning GSM radio, remove the SIM slot, paint the case silver, then say it's a N850? Jan 27 09:54:06 And Arie didn't take him up on it? 1500 is a /lot/.... Jan 27 09:54:32 yup Arie was stupid not to take it up; take it up for 1,500 euros and buy replacements for 800 :D Jan 27 09:54:52 thedead1440: it's seriously tempting - 1500 is enough to buy me a 64GB white N9, a new N900, and a new desktop PC. Jan 27 09:55:11 Hurrian: yeah; why not first do a photoshopped image and ask him for offer? Jan 27 09:55:46 thedead1440, great idea, gotta see if he's interested before lazering ugly Arial onto my device. Jan 27 09:56:10 yup let me know if he takes the hook then it can be a good idea to get funds in :D :D Jan 27 09:56:31 Why not do something with this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GOLD-Fascia-HOUSING-COVER-CASE-KEYPAD-TOOLS-For-Nokia-N900-NEW-/170954135293?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cda916fd Jan 27 09:56:42 who buys n900 for q.5k? Jan 27 09:56:45 You can have a /gold/ N900! Jan 27 09:56:49 1.5k* Jan 27 09:56:54 FIQ: N950 Jan 27 09:56:56 robbiethe1st: Vertu Maemo proto device! Jan 27 09:57:07 Estel_: early full-aluminium n900 prototype gogogogogo Jan 27 09:57:13 hehe Jan 27 09:58:01 (Note: I actually got the black version of one of those knock-off housings; it's /identical/ to the real thing. Different plastic, slightly, and it's missing the antennas, but... Jan 27 09:58:03 Estel_, holy crap, if you could pump out one of those full-aluminum cases and say it was a proto N900, looks like a N810, claim it's a N850, you could easily get 2000 eurobucks Jan 27 09:58:17 >missing the antennas Jan 27 09:58:23 wtf Jan 27 09:58:29 kerio: have to take them from your old case Jan 27 09:58:33 i see Jan 27 09:58:39 kerio, just spray the original ones in gold auto paint Jan 27 09:58:42 that's the point with missing antennas it becomes even more /genuine/ proto Jan 27 09:58:46 There are a couple of little ribbon things Jan 27 09:58:58 True Jan 27 09:59:04 thedead1440: the more unusable it is, the more valuable it is to n950! Jan 27 09:59:10 Hurrian: hehe Jan 27 09:59:23 Has this guy actually bought anything, that we know of? Jan 27 09:59:32 And not, say, charge-backed it... Jan 27 09:59:34 robbiethe1st: alot search for n950 on TMO Jan 27 09:59:53 robbiethe1st, well, none of his sources have been bitching, at least. Jan 27 09:59:55 one of is many protos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 Jan 27 10:00:05 That's good, I suppose Jan 27 10:00:07 like n950s would care, they're not sentinent :o Jan 27 10:00:07 s/ is/ his/ Jan 27 10:00:07 thedead1440 meant: one of his many protos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 Jan 27 10:00:28 and, he's hinted at his other interwebs username, and it seems that he's a known collector at other websites Jan 27 10:00:33 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks the n950 guy is playing photoshop prank on all of you ;-P Jan 27 10:00:52 DocScrutinizer05: no :p he's a known baboon :p Jan 27 10:01:30 ohhh it's someone who calls himself n950... Jan 27 10:01:55 Photoshop? He can't load an Initrd to flasher! I told him that I won't answer any more of his support questions until he sends me a N950. Jan 27 10:02:16 lol Hurrian he pestered you to death right? Jan 27 10:02:17 I have a few GTA04-MK-II prototypes here, from my time as senior EE at Openmoko. do you think he might be interested? Jan 27 10:02:24 thedead1440: 6PMs. Jan 27 10:02:29 DocScrutinizer05: shove them in a n950 casing Jan 27 10:02:31 DocScrutinizer05: sadly only Nokia for him; even Lumia protos do Jan 27 10:02:56 Hurrian: *never* give him your email id; i did it once and live to regret it :D Jan 27 10:04:05 thedead1440, I've got a Google Apps domain, I can simply set up a "n9protosale@domain.web" account for him to spam. Jan 27 10:04:14 haha Jan 27 10:04:15 yeah, those are the collectors. Interested in every crap of Ford company, but ignoring the real goodies like Lamborghini or better/more_rare Jan 27 10:05:40 Estel_: btw, what happened to the aluminium body replacements? Jan 27 10:05:48 Hurrian: standard question from him "ok can i download 12.10 lubuntu version? last version where? link plz" I had 48 of that shit before i put him in Spam Jan 27 10:05:59 kerio, see allu body thread Jan 27 10:06:08 we have talked about it yesterday, here, too ;) Jan 27 10:06:14 oic Jan 27 10:06:23 I could ask Nikolaus of goldelico to produce one small batch of GTA04 with "Design by Nokia R&D labs" on the PCB Jan 27 10:06:39 thedead1440: 48? Jeebus chwist. Jan 27 10:09:11 DocScrutinizer05: Sell it as the "cheap Nokia Linux phone" thing that ended up being vaporware Jan 27 10:09:27 oh, and only leave u-boot on it Jan 27 10:09:35 He'll be bamboozled by the text. Jan 27 10:09:49 oh Meltemi Jan 27 10:10:09 that would call for 3,000 euros at least as it is unknown to man :D Jan 27 10:10:21 Hurrian: haha Jan 27 10:10:25 thedead1440, it seems that another silver N950 holder has appeared Jan 27 10:10:43 oh that T*** guy right? thats simply the standard B2 and later protos Jan 27 10:11:18 they seem to be getting cheaper; someone has recently bought one for just 700 euros Jan 27 10:11:59 he's an upgraded version of n950; he is not that dumb but same spam again :( Jan 27 10:11:59 Still won't stop n950 from paying megabucks for it. Jan 27 10:12:19 hehe yup he will insist on paying more as it will mean its more rare for him Jan 27 10:20:37 looks like the N9xx phone which was cancelled Jan 27 10:20:39 @thread Jan 27 11:14:55 any rx71 turning up? Jan 27 11:27:37 erm, what about N900 in wooden case as exclusive model prototype for asian markets? Jan 27 11:28:07 or lego one :p (joking) Jan 27 11:31:46 yes, its really for others to decide the value of what you like to collect Jan 27 11:33:53 ~mirror Jan 27 11:33:53 from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 27 12:29:44 Estel_: photos... Jan 27 12:32:28 photos of what? Jan 27 12:32:39 replica or replacement? Jan 27 12:33:47 if the latter, sure, but won't happen very soon, for sure. I'm moving to new flat (which doesn't have internal walls yet, so need to finish it before), including all mess related to buying and selling estates Jan 27 12:33:52 + my son got angine Jan 27 12:33:59 about the wip of the case.. Jan 27 12:34:05 is it how this disease is called in english? Jan 27 12:34:10 sure, ASAP Jan 27 12:34:28 but not in this week for sure Jan 27 12:34:37 not this week* Jan 27 12:35:15 ok, thanks Jan 27 12:35:19 + I'll try to measure gain in new antenna type and show comparisions, I mean only internal one, without even using hiros ufl Jan 27 12:36:06 3d scanner would help a lot, I even thought about building one via phase-shift method... Jan 27 12:36:15 But can't do everything at once Jan 27 12:38:40 wut? Jan 27 12:38:58 bq27200.sh said I'm charging at 1312 mA Jan 27 12:39:06 ShadowJK, how come? Jan 27 12:39:22 using Pali's charger, and reading data from i2c using bq27200.sh method Jan 27 12:40:00 with device screen off, and battery @3200 mv before charging, it starts charging at 1312, *including* device power usage Jan 27 12:40:12 so real power draw is somewhat higher by few tens Jan 27 12:40:23 shouldn't 1250 be max thing allowed by chip? Jan 27 12:41:04 it could be bogus data, you shouldn't be able to access the i2c bus when bq27x00_battery is loaded Jan 27 13:24:20 yep Jan 27 13:25:31 unless using fuxored kp49(?) kernel with that unspeakable "patch" to neuter I2C flock Jan 27 13:26:49 which would allow bq27x00_battery kernel module and any arbitrary like i2cget to access any chip on i2c *concurrently* thus messing up stuf to the point where smoke escapes Jan 27 15:13:41 a Jan 27 15:18:07 b Jan 27 15:19:38 cd Jan 27 15:20:03 efg Jan 27 15:42:04 cmon, what's next? it's easy! Jan 27 15:54:04 q? Jan 27 16:22:13 does anyone know how keyboard layout switching works in maemo? Jan 27 16:24:09 just push me in the right direction, because it seems to work nothing like on installations i have seen Jan 27 16:31:23 you switch keyboard layout in the language settings Jan 27 16:36:55 futpib: use ctrl-space Jan 27 16:39:02 that is not what i mean Jan 27 16:39:55 look, if i do setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle -layout ru,us it works not the way i expect Jan 27 16:40:14 ctrl+space switching and ctrl+shift do work separately Jan 27 16:43:05 don't use setxkbmap on n900 Jan 27 16:43:15 thanks lol Jan 27 16:44:43 i have no problem with configuring things here, i just want to find out what did nokia invent for layout switching Jan 27 16:48:57 futpib: let us know if you find out Jan 27 16:49:03 the keyboard handling is a mess Jan 27 16:49:22 starting from qt applications not following your xkb layout Jan 27 17:04:26 what is CTCP-A request? Jan 27 17:10:10 perhaps it's ctcp action? Jan 27 17:10:53 kerio, I got unknown CTCP-A request from you Jan 27 17:10:57 wat Jan 27 17:10:59 no you didn't Jan 27 17:11:08 when? Jan 27 17:11:32 [14:46:39] * Received unknown CTCP-A request by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio Jan 27 17:11:58 +0100 timezone Jan 27 17:12:40 hm Jan 27 17:12:43 i don't know what i did Jan 27 17:59:52 * ShadowJK yawns Jan 27 18:16:28 [general notice] *.maemo.org "works" again - lightning fast. http://maemo.org has 503 though. We'll check that tomorrow. Repo is still down Jan 27 18:41:15 DocScrutinizer05: maemo.org worksforme Jan 27 18:42:07 [general notice] we just "fixed" the db, so http//maemo.org back to normal operation Jan 27 18:42:39 i can't login Jan 27 18:52:16 :-S Jan 27 18:52:21 details please Jan 27 18:53:10 Username or password was invalid. Jan 27 18:53:28 garage logs in fine Jan 27 18:53:53 so "INVALID"? Jan 27 18:54:20 since "CND" Jan 27 18:55:24 i go to http://maemo.org/ Jan 27 18:55:24 we just re-enabled the db, so maybe you need to refresh/reload the page where you tried to log in Jan 27 18:55:48 i left click on the username box, i type "kerio", i type tab, i type my password, i press enter Jan 27 18:55:59 and i'm redirected to the login page Jan 27 18:56:17 :nod: Jan 27 18:56:19 same here Jan 27 18:56:35 thanks for reporting Jan 27 18:56:36 who stores the passwords? garage, right? Jan 27 18:57:59 yep Jan 27 18:58:09 could you try wiki for example? Jan 27 18:58:19 i'm logged in the wiki Jan 27 18:58:42 logging in there works fine Jan 27 18:58:45 err, you are already logged in on wiki.maemo.org? Jan 27 18:58:49 yes Jan 27 18:58:51 aaah? Jan 27 18:59:05 i thought they were separate Jan 27 18:59:08 you were logged in or login worked? Jan 27 18:59:12 both Jan 27 18:59:16 i tried logging out and in Jan 27 18:59:20 ok, same here Jan 27 19:00:01 I informed Eero. If he feels like "not my domain" I'll forward to whom it may concern Jan 27 19:00:58 was the firewall fixed, or was it just restarted? Jan 27 19:00:59 please ping me immediately (and repeatedly) as soon as *.m.o seems to slow down again. We tweaked FW Jan 27 19:01:04 yay Jan 27 19:01:16 me or warfare Jan 27 19:01:35 ...and now i really, really want to ping you regarding the slowness of rmo Jan 27 19:01:51 mmmpf Jan 27 19:01:58 although it's connecting to it, weird Jan 27 19:02:07 didn't it use to refuse connections altogether? Jan 27 19:02:09 it shouldn't Jan 27 19:02:23 for a very short while it did Jan 27 19:02:34 some 10 min ago Jan 27 19:02:49 now port policy is DROP Jan 27 19:02:56 closed on FW now Jan 27 19:03:01 i see Jan 27 19:03:08 DROP isn't very nice :( Jan 27 19:03:23 it's very nice... for the FW ;-P Jan 27 19:03:30 :) Jan 27 19:03:38 isn't... huh, REJECT? also nice for the FW? Jan 27 19:03:52 oh, there's no such thing Jan 27 19:03:52 no, REJ needs a ICMP send Jan 27 19:04:01 tcp rst Jan 27 19:04:06 or that Jan 27 19:04:44 DROP doesn't need *anything* on FW side Jan 27 19:04:54 just *forget about it* Jan 27 19:04:55 i see Jan 27 19:05:41 actually we will move repo to exposed tomorrow, until then I don't care Jan 27 19:06:05 cya, o/ Jan 27 19:06:37 o/ HEIL JOERG Jan 27 19:09:00 tzzz those italians Jan 27 19:10:46 mln KERIO Jan 27 19:11:29 mln? Jan 27 19:11:37 = Jan 27 19:11:43 oh Jan 27 19:11:53 well, that isn't nice >:c Jan 27 19:11:58 my answer to HAIL Jan 27 19:12:34 when are we going to invade jolland? Jan 27 19:12:48 in Germany you're close to prison with those 7 chars Jan 27 19:13:30 unless my friends catch you before police Jan 27 19:13:35 heh, i wish italy was similar :s Jan 27 19:13:58 here, we've got "reformed" fascist politicians who haven't really changed at all Jan 27 19:14:31 you are overreacting Jan 27 19:14:43 usa is doing worse things already Jan 27 19:14:57 but just pretending it's not happening Jan 27 19:15:11 KotCzarny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I Jan 27 19:15:17 I know, but then who likes USA. I at least don't have to live there, and that's the way I like it Jan 27 19:15:46 americans do like Jan 27 19:16:25 what is bad about USA? Jan 27 19:16:44 hypocrisy (?) Jan 27 19:16:45 futpib: lots of things .D Jan 27 19:17:46 anyway, before I have to enforce the "no politics" rule, I prefer to say "cya l8r" again, and wander off Jan 27 19:17:55 futpib: corporations as legal persons, deep, ingrained ignorance caused by mass media, corrupt police and military Jan 27 19:18:04 hey, i didn't know there was such a rule Jan 27 19:18:17 it's afreenode rule iirc Jan 27 19:18:21 :> Jan 27 19:18:33 yeah, 'free' Jan 27 19:18:44 as long you don't trespass the rules Jan 27 19:18:53 "corrupt police and military" Jan 27 19:19:03 hm I don't remember any rule about trashing freenode though Jan 27 19:19:15 let's rage about not being able to discuss politics in here :D Jan 27 19:19:15 is like saying water is transparent Jan 27 19:20:26 "In accordance with UK law freenode and the PDPC have no tolerance for any activity which could be construed as incitement to racial hatred or religious hatred" Jan 27 19:20:48 incitement != talking about politics Jan 27 19:21:04 just to throw one stone before this is over, I'd say insane "anti terror" laws that essentially make fundamental rights non-existing Jan 27 19:21:17 * merlin1991 goes and checks the freenode policy Jan 27 19:21:42 oh, yeah, violating habeas corpus, always fun Jan 27 19:24:05 hm gotta love how the poilcy has an explicit note that you can talk about p2p applications, just not about unlawfull content :D Jan 27 19:33:26 lol Jan 27 19:33:27 You guys are silly. Jan 27 19:39:37 $ dig talk.maemo.org --> talk.maemo.org. 13472 IN A 188.117.59.209 Jan 27 19:39:44 no CNAME Jan 27 19:39:55 What happened? Nokia fixed DNS? Jan 27 19:40:10 \o/ Jan 27 20:04:49 Pali: yes, several days ago Jan 27 20:05:38 DocScrutinizer05, garage project tracers not working... I sent mail directly to Ferenc and CC to council Jan 27 20:06:43 Ferenc already fixed fixed some problems which I had with garage (project admin permission, svn-->git conversion), so I think he can fix also this bug Jan 27 20:12:24 DocScrutinizer05, problem is fixed, this was very very quick :-) Jan 27 20:12:41 see mail from Ferenc Jan 27 20:15:18 seems we *finally* established some SOP to handle maintenance that actually works, eh? Jan 27 20:16:47 a pity this won't last for long, as things are now Jan 27 20:17:09 why? Jan 27 20:17:37 well, maybe until end of March HiFo finds a sponsor who's willing to pay for decent administration Jan 27 20:17:49 i thought we had plenty of good volunteer sysops Jan 27 20:18:44 none of them has a faintest idea about this particular stuff though, they are all system operators, not maemo maintainers Jan 27 20:20:36 keeping a VM up-to-date or configuring a firewall is quite a different matter than fixing bugs in garage Jan 27 20:21:01 garage is midgard, which basically nobody but nemein knows about Jan 27 20:21:21 how to keep one's work Jan 27 20:21:23 :) Jan 27 20:26:00 KotCzarny: we can't really afford to pay them, though :) Jan 27 20:26:37 reminds me of dilbert and his 'very legacy systems' Jan 27 20:30:10 was maemo community too expensive for nokia? Jan 27 20:30:45 elop doesnt care about maemo i suspect... Jan 27 20:34:27 futpib: well, yes Jan 27 20:34:33 we costed more than 0 Jan 27 20:35:59 hmm, anyone here knowledgeable with c and dl_opened objects? Jan 27 20:41:52 KotCzarny, what do you want to know? Jan 27 20:42:46 pali, i have a program P which dlopens D, how can i call functions from P in a function in D ? Jan 27 20:43:30 link with --export-dynamic maybe? Jan 27 20:43:46 (may pass that with -B to cc) Jan 27 20:43:47 which one? Jan 27 20:43:55 P Jan 27 20:44:02 letsse.. Jan 27 20:44:45 -B didn't work Jan 27 20:45:24 gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '--export-dynamic' Jan 27 20:45:51 and -B compiled, but still got undefined symbol when i tried to dlopen Jan 27 20:46:02 i meant -B--export-dynamic but seems -rdynamic does the same Jan 27 20:46:41 oh and its one - not -- Jan 27 20:46:57 hm, -rdynamic worked Jan 27 20:47:01 :) Jan 27 20:47:17 but how can i export single function? Jan 27 20:47:28 hmm good q... Jan 27 20:48:48 ah: "You can also use the version script to control what symbols should be added to the dynamic symbol table if the output format supports it. See the description of --version-script in @ref{VERSION}." Jan 27 20:48:50 man ld Jan 27 20:51:25 KotCzarny: I'd think you need callbacks for that Jan 27 20:51:50 doc, nope, -rdynamic works, so i guess i just need --dynamic-list Jan 27 20:55:44 -Wl,--dynamic-list=osc.shared Jan 27 20:55:46 :) Jan 27 20:57:21 :) Jan 27 20:59:55 * freemangordon finally slowly migrates to ubuntu :) Jan 27 21:00:13 amazingly, glibc's sin/cos is faster than lookup table Jan 27 21:00:14 O.o Jan 27 21:00:29 KotCzarny: on device? Jan 27 21:00:35 on x86 Jan 27 21:00:43 i have yet to test it on device Jan 27 21:00:55 well, FPU? Jan 27 21:01:08 but the difference is about 2x Jan 27 21:01:29 could be something with pipelines Jan 27 21:01:53 could be something with core duo Jan 27 21:02:12 last time i checked it on x86 i had pentium-m Jan 27 21:02:40 well, I guess FPUs have advanced since then :) Jan 27 21:05:13 good for them Jan 27 21:06:39 damn, libxul linking takes ages :( Jan 27 21:08:28 hello everybody Jan 27 21:14:54 believe it or not, but I do not only store my fully charged batteries in freezer, but charge (in desktop charger) batteries in fridge. I got a lot better results, then charging batteries in "room temperature". Now they are very rigid with voltage. Before I was getting quite big difference of voltage with different current. Now I am getting small, almost non-existing, difference in voltage and that's even with current reaching Jan 27 21:14:55 420mA. Difference is up to 20mV Jan 27 21:15:25 as long you don't punt device in the freezer it's fine Jan 27 21:15:29 rohs is a b*tch Jan 27 21:15:35 *put Jan 27 21:15:36 it is bitch Jan 27 21:16:00 it is really nice efect though Jan 27 21:16:20 and batteries almost do not self-discharge Jan 27 21:16:39 KotCzarny: that sounds polish Jan 27 21:16:43 is it worth the effort tho? Jan 27 21:16:57 I have two external desktop chargers Jan 27 21:17:01 I do not care Jan 27 21:17:11 original batteries are quite good quality Jan 27 21:17:29 but it weird to open freezer every morning to take one spare battery Jan 27 21:17:37 there are quite good Jan 27 21:18:27 I had some BL-5F for N95 and they were good as well, as soon as I touched non-original I didn't get good results Jan 27 21:19:41 original was very stable with voltage, non-original was crap - I was able to turn off N95 using few devices at the same time. On N95 it was fairly easy to get over 1A out off battery Jan 27 21:19:55 which is more then strong charger - 890mA Jan 27 21:20:37 now I got original nokia's batteries for my n900 and they are great Jan 27 21:20:44 but bit small for n900 Jan 27 21:21:24 go mugen Jan 27 21:21:26 2x Jan 27 21:21:48 I do not fancy different cover and no camera shutter Jan 27 21:22:07 would you fancy ~3Ah ? Jan 27 21:22:11 I really need camera shatter - I am builder Jan 27 21:22:22 make one then Jan 27 21:22:39 I would fancy 132Ah Jan 27 21:22:53 you couldn't handle 132Ah Jan 27 21:22:56 it is possible with same size of battery Jan 27 21:23:53 back in 2008 technology was invented, which can incrise 100 times Li-ion batteries Jan 27 21:24:05 obviously no company is using it Jan 27 21:24:13 too unstable? Jan 27 21:24:25 also it takes 20 years or something for the patents to expire ;) Jan 27 21:24:50 can you imagine: when did you last charged mobile? I do not remember, it was back in november Jan 27 21:24:52 since when chinese obey patent law? Jan 27 21:24:56 Anyway, what people invent in laboratories doesn't necessarily have the same benefit once it gets engineered to be suitable for production use Jan 27 21:24:58 just too expensive I guess ... Jan 27 21:25:19 ShadowJK: up to 100 years Jan 27 21:25:31 You're thinking of disney's copyright Jan 27 21:25:53 Madry72: considering amount of power it can store I would buy it Jan 27 21:26:14 Also, when mass media reports on these laboratory discoveries, they often confused voltage, power, and energy Jan 27 21:26:18 ShadowJK: very well known one - aspirin - patented in US Jan 27 21:26:25 back in 1901 Jan 27 21:26:35 patent expired in 2001 Jan 27 21:26:52 ShadowJK: it is not mass media Jan 27 21:26:59 I was tyrying to say ...to expensive even for massive production Jan 27 21:27:05 I was digging quite a lot Jan 27 21:27:23 wnn: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/03/heat-channelling-carbon-nanotubes-produce-100x-more-energy-than-li-ion-batteries/ this one? Jan 27 21:27:46 Madry72: too expensive for massive production - yes, but only because you won't have to buy new battery Jan 27 21:28:03 no, not this one Jan 27 21:28:14 link then, pls Jan 27 21:28:45 if we talk about other technologies, then solid-melting battery is able to store many time then Li-ion Jan 27 21:29:02 not really up to digging again Jan 27 21:29:10 keyword? Jan 27 21:29:19 li-ion Jan 27 21:29:28 in first 30 results Jan 27 21:29:36 nope Jan 27 21:29:48 most of these 'more than' battery stories are bullahit Jan 27 21:30:06 do not look specificly for it - it is in some article about li-ion in general Jan 27 21:30:11 might be even wikipedia Jan 27 21:30:27 based on research that sort of in some ways contsins the number 100 Jan 27 21:30:35 SpeedEvil: you are right - most of them Jan 27 21:31:00 and does not reflect actual whole producable batteries Jan 27 21:31:23 SpeedEvil: not really bullshit, but will take some time while they reach the market Jan 27 21:31:24 should they specificaly say 98.7654321 times more or something similar? Jan 27 21:31:24 Seems like patent on aspirin expired in the US in 1917. Jan 27 21:31:40 it's like claiming making a battery label half the thickness - and advertising it as a 100% improvement in capacity Jan 27 21:32:11 WizardNumberNext: no, it's that that 100* - when made into a battery may end up as 1.3* Jan 27 21:32:20 that is strange, germany refussed to patent bayer's aspirin, so he patented it in US Jan 27 21:32:35 and yes, it's that bad often Jan 27 21:33:01 anyway, thx nox-, and nite nite everyone Jan 27 21:33:30 SpeedEvil: I agree Jan 27 21:34:01 to get to really different capacity, you need to change technology Jan 27 21:34:26 like it was with Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries Jan 27 21:35:05 but Ni-MH cannot give you big C, while Ni-Cd is perfectly capable of providing you 10C Jan 27 21:35:22 Ni-MH would get seriously damaged above 2C Jan 27 21:35:51 actually Li-ion have same problem - no much juice out of them Jan 27 21:36:04 2-3C and you risk flying fire Jan 27 21:36:48 C ? Jan 27 21:36:51 but you can charge them very damn fast Jan 27 21:37:28 C - same current as capacity so, if battery is 1000mAh, then 1C is 1000mA Jan 27 21:37:30 It depends mostly on the specific cell construction Jan 27 21:38:05 you cannot actually make new construction - every idea which was possible is used already Jan 27 21:38:58 it is bit impossible to create new kind of construction Jan 27 21:39:28 alcohol ? Jan 27 21:39:46 in Li-ion Jan 27 21:40:03 not exactly alcohol, but very damn close Jan 27 21:40:55 what do y mean ? Jan 27 21:41:12 Separator thickness, cathode and anode thickness, cathode and anode surface area. The ionic diffusion speed of the electrolyte. It's all a balancing act. The elite brand nimh cells are good for about 20C, their capacity is lower. The BL-5J in Nokia N900 has .7C/2C charge/discharge limits, but say a Turnigy Nanotech would be 5C/60C, but in the same physical size would have much much less capacity than 1320mAh :) Jan 27 21:42:50 yes, but this is not construction, but chemistry Jan 27 21:43:08 Madry72: read wikipedia article about Li-ion Jan 27 21:43:29 The basic chemistry and reaction is the same Jan 27 21:44:31 ShadowJK: I know a lot about rechargable batteries. You said nothing new. But you gave me tip in your post about BL-5J, which I missed few times in row Jan 27 21:45:20 what Jan 27 21:45:33 ShadowJK: I have no idea, why they made 2C discharge limit, while it is pretty hard to go over 1C on N900 Jan 27 21:45:46 charge discharge limits Jan 27 21:46:07 I was wondering, why in hell I cannot get anywhere past 9xxmA Jan 27 21:46:14 on charging Jan 27 21:47:00 Well that's because it's programmed for 950mA charging current Jan 27 21:47:15 having 6W of power from "charger" (actually it is just PSU) Jan 27 21:47:30 I think I never got even 950mA Jan 27 21:47:57 mostly I am getting around 850mA maybe slightly less Jan 27 21:49:06 how well does the vbus test pad handle 6vdc Jan 27 21:49:30 as ive got a bad battery and Jan 27 21:49:43 peterbjornx_n900: do you mean USB vbus? Jan 27 21:50:05 im currently "charging" my n900 from 4xAA batterys Jan 27 21:50:13 yes ,usb vbus Jan 27 21:50:17 drop it right now Jan 27 21:50:39 AA battery is more then 1.5v when at full capacity Jan 27 21:51:17 done, i've been using this for about 3 hours upto now Jan 27 21:51:19 950mA - system load Jan 27 21:51:26 no problems yet Jan 27 21:51:31 and you need usb enumeration or D+D- connected Jan 27 21:51:47 anyway 6V is a bit dangerous Jan 27 21:52:01 you can actually use 3 AA, then it is safe Jan 27 21:52:19 i have the D testpads soldered together as i dont have a usb port anymore Jan 27 21:52:28 charger have inverter inside, so it would boost it if needed Jan 27 21:52:28 didnt work Jan 27 21:52:34 "not charging" Jan 27 21:52:45 ShadowJK: I've been there - not nice Jan 27 21:53:10 you might be below 4.2V Jan 27 21:53:29 they were new when i tried Jan 27 21:53:41 you cannot go over 6V - it is absolute maximum for bq24xxx charger Jan 27 21:53:56 ok Jan 27 21:54:02 ~flatbatrecover Jan 27 21:54:02 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Jan 27 21:54:06 so now it might be safe for 4, but remeber to not go over 6V Jan 27 21:54:06 would that help? Jan 27 21:54:09 well ive disconnected it now Jan 27 21:55:08 nox: it won't read peterbjornx_n900 posts again - he have no usb socket there Jan 27 21:55:25 :( Jan 27 21:55:41 peterbjornx_n900: you can get external charger Jan 27 21:55:49 I have two desktop chargers Jan 27 21:55:51 but i thought a full AA would due to high internal R never go over about 1.2v Jan 27 21:55:55 and 5 batteries Jan 27 21:55:59 but my n900 works Jan 27 21:56:16 peterbjornx_n900, it starts out at 0 load, so it sees the full voltage Jan 27 21:56:28 it depends on battery, its type and so on Jan 27 21:56:35 its just that the battery ,after charging for 24 hrs, cant power it for 30 mins Jan 27 21:56:51 you can try with Ni-MH though - 4 of them would make it 1.2 Jan 27 21:56:52 dead battery? Jan 27 21:57:09 and Ni-MH have almost perfectly flat discharge chart Jan 27 21:57:25 it is definitely dead Jan 27 21:57:48 mine does charge max 4 hours, till there's no current going in at all Jan 27 21:58:21 I think it won't be above 3 hours, but never actually tried to find out exact time Jan 27 21:59:01 are new batterys still available? Jan 27 21:59:19 ext chrgr didnt help Jan 27 21:59:24 when it would be dying plug those batteries (or bring 5v from usb or two of them) and see the current now in bq27200 Jan 27 21:59:35 yes - I bought mine month ago Jan 27 21:59:39 genuine Jan 27 21:59:43 on ebay Jan 27 21:59:48 The new Nokia BL-5J has a bit of a capacity boost compared to the original 2008/2009 Nokia BL-5j Jan 27 21:59:57 I installed some upgrades from cssu devel. Now some widgets are missing (and I can't edit), Segmentation fault while configuring hildon-application-manager (I tried several versions), Watchdog is rebooting device (I disabled the watchdog). Any hints? Jan 27 22:00:05 unfortunately mine are 1320mAh Jan 27 22:00:55 but i didn't know about change of capacity, so bought exactly same and disqualified those 1430mAh as fake Jan 27 22:00:55 could i wire a HTC 3.7v battery up to it Jan 27 22:00:56 tttupn: some upgrades? elaborate Jan 27 22:01:20 I think you can try Jan 27 22:01:22 would it charge? Jan 27 22:01:27 or blow up Jan 27 22:01:33 as long as its li-ion Jan 27 22:01:36 There's some third party batteries with even higher capacity that fits in same space Jan 27 22:01:45 actually I did a stupid apt-get upgrade (having extras testing and devel disabled) Jan 27 22:01:53 peterbjornx_n900, it wont charge Jan 27 22:02:03 charger won't allow you to blow it up and battery itself have protection, so no worries Jan 27 22:02:13 ok Jan 27 22:02:55 ShadowJK: why not - it is still li-ion Jan 27 22:02:59 say it is Jan 27 22:03:06 then why not? Jan 27 22:03:13 here is the output of apt-get install http://pastebin.com/xvKK8BrP Jan 27 22:03:57 Are there any logs to look for? Jan 27 22:04:07 WizardNumberNext, needs a resistor between BSI and GND, without it, it thinks it's sitting in a debug jig Jan 27 22:04:37 I was thinking about that damn resistor there Jan 27 22:05:45 tttupn: oh, you are on cssu-thumb? Jan 27 22:05:56 yeah I am Jan 27 22:06:10 kernel 2.6.28.10-power51 Jan 27 22:06:12 and you did apt-get upgrade with cssu-devel enabled? Jan 27 22:06:27 yeah... Jan 27 22:06:29 :-/ Jan 27 22:07:45 tttupn: that's bad. gould you give the output of "dpkg -l | grep png", without quotes Jan 27 22:07:51 *could Jan 27 22:08:06 only the version Jan 27 22:08:23 1.2.49-1maemo1+0cssu3+thumb0 Jan 27 22:08:52 hmm, why apt-get install? Jan 27 22:09:34 because apt-get install tries to install broken packages again. I just hoped it could work ;) Jan 27 22:09:58 here is a list of apt sources http://pastebin.com/UN63kjwJ Jan 27 22:10:09 tttupn: he correct command is "apt-get -f install" afaik Jan 27 22:10:41 tttupn: did you disable cssu-devel repo? Jan 27 22:12:25 apt-get -f install just does the same in this case. No I didn't disabled cssu devel. I tried to install different versions of hildon-application-manager manually by specifying the version Jan 27 22:12:44 btw I should remove the double cssu devel line Jan 27 22:14:06 tttupn: but it is postinst script that segfaults, not HAM itself aiui Jan 27 22:14:43 yeah, I thought that a different version might ship a different post install script Jan 27 22:15:06 seems like something else Jan 27 22:15:28 you say hildon-desktop crashes too? Jan 27 22:17:01 tttupn: "dpkg -l | grep libxml2" and "dpkg -l | grep zlib" versions please Jan 27 22:17:36 I'm not exactly sure. I know that the watchdog would reboot the device. further there are widgets missing (nearly all) and I can't edit the home screen. Jan 27 22:18:09 libxml2: 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu0-thumb0 Jan 27 22:18:42 zlib1g: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssu1+thumb0 Jan 27 22:18:57 your problem is with libxml2 Jan 27 22:19:20 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0 is the correct version Jan 27 22:20:34 do "apt-get install libxml2=2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0" Jan 27 22:20:44 tttupn: ^^^ Jan 27 22:22:00 done. Jan 27 22:22:10 reboot? btw, why apt-get is thinking that this is a downgrade? Jan 27 22:22:15 any errors? Jan 27 22:22:24 Unknown media type in type 'sketch/png' Jan 27 22:22:29 tttupn: NFC Jan 27 22:22:32 ignore that Jan 27 22:23:21 tttupn: because of "-thumb0" Jan 27 22:23:30 full output: http://pastebin.com/iq0EnCP4 Jan 27 22:23:56 what do you mean with NFC? Jan 27 22:24:05 ~NFC Jan 27 22:24:05 [nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Jan 27 22:24:38 great I only knew near field communication ;) So I do a reboot? Jan 27 22:25:17 tttupn: not yet Jan 27 22:25:19 well, you'd better disable cssu-devel and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade Jan 27 22:25:32 but DON'T upgrade Jan 27 22:25:57 tttupn: just pastebin the output, so I can verify what will be upgraded Jan 27 22:26:05 ok wati a second Jan 27 22:28:31 here the output of "apt-get upgrade" http://pastebin.com/sUPia6VD Jan 27 22:28:49 the postinst script segfaulted because of the wrong libxml2 Jan 27 22:28:56 i recko Jan 27 22:28:57 n Jan 27 22:28:58 :nod: Jan 27 22:29:14 ~nod Jan 27 22:29:15 * infobot nods Jan 27 22:29:19 tttupn: where is you mp-fremantle-community-pr? Jan 27 22:29:59 should be installed I'll take a look Jan 27 22:31:21 according to "dpkg -l" it isn't installed. Should I install it? Jan 27 22:31:27 yes Jan 27 22:33:10 I have some broken dependencies. http://pastebin.com/r1A9k8N0 Jan 27 22:34:04 tttupn: ah crap, you're missing community-testing Jan 27 22:34:09 because the repos are down Jan 27 22:34:12 aaah, yes, community-testing Jan 27 22:34:27 well, mirrirs work Jan 27 22:34:31 tttupn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file Jan 27 22:34:32 *mirrors Jan 27 22:34:43 add the line "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free" Jan 27 22:35:13 add that line, then do an apt-get update Jan 27 22:35:18 and then apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr Jan 27 22:35:29 and hopefully everything will start working again Jan 27 22:35:58 is this a good idea? I don't have a sources.list at the moment. only the ham file in sources.d Jan 27 22:37:20 tttupn: do echo "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cssut.list Jan 27 22:37:41 then apt-get update Jan 27 22:37:45 etc Jan 27 22:38:43 when you finish you may remove cssut.lis Jan 27 22:38:51 *cssut.list Jan 27 22:39:27 kerio: BTW afaik hash is broken on merlin1991's mirror Jan 27 22:39:28 here the output for "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr" http://pastebin.com/HMy6FbKH Jan 27 22:39:31 http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ --> this not working for HAM Jan 27 22:39:32 freemangordon: not that one Jan 27 22:39:37 Pali: we're using apt-get Jan 27 22:39:41 because we're real men Jan 27 22:39:45 there is no http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ in HAM domain Jan 27 22:40:00 tttupn: boldly press Y Jan 27 22:40:01 tttupn: after you've enabled that repo? Jan 27 22:40:08 yep, press y Jan 27 22:40:13 yes Jan 27 22:40:25 965M free on MyDocs :/ Jan 27 22:40:41 ShadowJK, buy SD card :-) Jan 27 22:40:55 yep, very good idea :D:D:D Jan 27 22:40:56 I still have a lot of free space there Jan 27 22:41:08 I've been attempting that for couple months now Jan 27 22:41:28 Best candidate so far is going through stresstest in sheevaplug :) Jan 27 22:41:29 damn man 16gb cost just 8gbp Jan 27 22:41:40 Sandisk Extreme Pro MicroSDHC Jan 27 22:41:42 ShadowJK: buy one like mine, it seems just fine Jan 27 22:41:53 WizardNumberNext: no, he has a fetish for IOPS Jan 27 22:42:05 he can't buy a .5GBP/GB card Jan 27 22:42:19 here is the output for a "apt-get upgrade" I could do. http://pastebin.com/3JqbDq79 Jan 27 22:42:19 it is not exactly cheap, but.... Jan 27 22:42:26 freemangordon; yeah I found it at 80E iirc, Samsung Pro 64g, right? Will get that one of the sandisk starts timing out Jan 27 22:42:46 tttupn: ignore that for now, it's not necessary Jan 27 22:42:47 wait, but normal cost of 64gb U1 card is around 35gbp Jan 27 22:42:59 although it's weird that policy-settings-rx51 hasn't been updated Jan 27 22:43:08 ...oh, right, the weird versions Jan 27 22:43:27 ShadowJK: yep, that one Jan 27 22:43:29 i wonder why qt wasn't properly updated Jan 27 22:43:33 me too Jan 27 22:43:44 oh, libqtm-12 is only in extras-devel Jan 27 22:43:49 freemangordon: how much is it? Jan 27 22:43:56 waaaaaaaaaaait, kept back? Jan 27 22:43:56 wtf Jan 27 22:44:04 ~90 euros here Jan 27 22:44:06 i only have one version of libqtm-12 Jan 27 22:44:13 how fast? Jan 27 22:44:21 tttupn: is the metapackage properly upgraded now? Jan 27 22:44:28 I want to put loads of stuff there Jan 27 22:44:31 tttupn: check its version with `apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr` Jan 27 22:44:32 kerio: leave him reboot, will check afterwards Jan 27 22:44:34 mainly music in FLAC Jan 27 22:45:02 Installed: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2+thumb0 Jan 27 22:45:13 WizardNumberNext: ~2MB/s random read ~ 1MB/s random write Jan 27 22:45:14 tttupn: reboot Jan 27 22:45:18 yep Jan 27 22:45:18 nothing should go wrong Jan 27 22:45:25 warning: lots of things may go wrong Jan 27 22:45:28 btw anybody knows what rx51 sound card can do? Jan 27 22:45:28 possibly at the same time Jan 27 22:45:40 WizardNumberNext: play sound, or so i've been told Jan 27 22:45:50 record too iirc :P Jan 27 22:45:58 it does have some neat stuff Jan 27 22:46:02 I mean kHz bitness? Jan 27 22:46:02 like analog passthrough for fmrx Jan 27 22:46:15 highpass filter too Jan 27 22:46:25 maybe a mixer? Jan 27 22:47:16 I been through a datasheet for omap3430 so I know bit and pieces, but I missed on kHz and bitness Jan 27 22:47:32 just matter of intrest Jan 27 22:47:56 because I would like to have HD is it is possible Jan 27 22:48:06 48k enough? Jan 27 22:48:14 on desktop I fixed SC on 192/32 Jan 27 22:48:19 have to be Jan 27 22:48:27 that is default iirc Jan 27 22:48:57 i guess you use .flac Jan 27 22:48:59 default? shit! most of music I have is in 44.1kHz or 96kHz Jan 27 22:49:18 well, I guess a resmpler kicks in then Jan 27 22:49:18 I do use FLAC - especially for vinyl Jan 27 22:49:22 *resampler Jan 27 22:49:29 reboot successfull and I think all widgets are back Jan 27 22:49:55 yay Jan 27 22:49:56 tttupn: give libqtm12 version Jan 27 22:50:06 tttupn: apt-cache policy libqtm-12 Jan 27 22:50:10 full output Jan 27 22:50:14 (or whatever was held back) Jan 27 22:50:19 that's why my PA is chew up so much of my processor on desktop - speex-f-9 Jan 27 22:50:49 WizardNumberNext: why such a high bitrate? Jan 27 22:51:05 http://pastebin.com/ufQw2mgm Jan 27 22:51:06 music from CDs is 44.1k/16 anyway Jan 27 22:51:17 but recently I recompiled speex with march and mtune =barcelona Jan 27 22:51:19 WizardNumberNext: toldya, I *think* it is 48k, but you'd better check PA settings Jan 27 22:51:29 tttupn: waaaaaaaaaaaaaait Jan 27 22:51:35 which repos have you enabled? Jan 27 22:51:36 I shall check them later on Jan 27 22:51:47 we told you to disable cssu-devel Jan 27 22:51:51 kerio: I hate CD - it sounds crap Jan 27 22:52:08 resampling also sounds like crap Jan 27 22:52:18 and why such high bitrate - because I can afford it Jan 27 22:52:37 make the soundcard match what you're listening to Jan 27 22:52:38 but I don't want fixed 44.1kHz on desktop Jan 27 22:53:11 keiro: I have the following repos repos http://pastebin.com/2kNxYLtW Jan 27 22:53:13 kerio: qtm12 is not in -thumb Jan 27 22:53:21 and anyway, most of SC for PC are 48kHz or multiply of it fixed, so 44.1kHz is double resmapling Jan 27 22:53:29 so I guess we are not interested Jan 27 22:53:53 tttupn: ok, first of all you don't need "community" at all Jan 27 22:53:59 but that's not the issue Jan 27 22:54:19 try running apt-get update again Jan 27 22:54:34 and then `apt-cache policy libqtm-12` Jan 27 22:54:45 it makes no sense, unless libqtm-12 is in cssu-stable Jan 27 22:54:51 kerio: where do you think it should be installed from? Jan 27 22:54:57 oh no, wait, extras Jan 27 22:55:02 yep Jan 27 22:55:02 libqtm-12 is in extras Jan 27 22:55:10 sorry for the noise Jan 27 22:55:12 well Jan 27 22:55:24 tttupn: disable the community repo, you won't need it ever Jan 27 22:55:36 first time I have find about 48kHz issue is when I started digging for every scrap of info for Creative SoundBlaster Live - fixed 48kHz DSP, then find out that yamaha YMF724F is same Jan 27 22:56:10 tttupn: your device should be fine now. DO NOT use apt-get upgrade. DO NOT remove mp-fremantle-community-pr. ALWAYS USE HAM for system upgrades :) Jan 27 22:56:16 so it might be same on omap but do not know Jan 27 22:56:30 and what have we learned today about enabling cssu-devel? Jan 27 22:56:37 hehe Jan 27 22:56:52 Pali: and what have we learned today about having an entry in HAM for cssu-devel? Jan 27 22:56:59 kerio: though the problem was with missing -mp thingie Jan 27 22:57:08 kerio: I would be careful with anything with devel in name Jan 27 22:57:28 kerio, what? Jan 27 22:58:08 thx @all who helped me. I'll be more carefull in the future! Jan 27 22:58:10 so the right libxml2 was not picked up. And I bet he did apt-get upgrade by the time I have been playing with libxml2/zlib Jan 27 22:58:23 Pali: dude messed up his system slightly because he enabled cssu-devel Jan 27 22:58:29 kerio: no Jan 27 22:58:42 he messed up because ^^^ Jan 27 22:58:57 it was wrong thimb version of libxml2 Jan 27 22:58:58 freemangordon: you were playing with libxml2/zlib in cssu-devel Jan 27 22:59:02 no Jan 27 22:59:05 oh, cssu-thumb? i see Jan 27 22:59:08 yep Jan 27 22:59:18 freemangordon: and what have we learned today about having -thumb as a version instead of +thumb? Jan 27 22:59:21 not exactly "playing" but still Jan 27 22:59:56 we've learned that FMG is a human being and makes mistakes. Oh, wait, that's old news :P Jan 27 22:59:56 what about device HAM domain file into more packages? Jan 27 23:00:12 s/device/devide/ Jan 27 23:00:13 Pali meant: what about devide HAM domain file into more packages? Jan 27 23:00:26 s/divide/ Jan 27 23:00:43 btw, I'll enable the watchdog and disable r&d mode now Jan 27 23:00:46 have one enabler for stable Jan 27 23:01:00 one for testing, one for devel and one for thumb Jan 27 23:01:05 kerio: and what we have learnt today about necessity of -mp? Jan 27 23:01:22 so users will no able to enable other repositories without installing new *enabler* Jan 27 23:01:40 Pali: i'd say that community-ssu-enabler should pull community-ssu-domain, and make the latter vary for each repo Jan 27 23:01:52 then cssu-thumb would *add* its own Jan 27 23:01:52 Pali: I guess it is too late now, we'll receive a shitstorm of complains Jan 27 23:02:05 "where are my repos" Jan 27 23:02:06 stable does not have new HAM Jan 27 23:02:18 sure, but T and thumb have Jan 27 23:02:31 we can fix that Jan 27 23:02:38 before stable Jan 27 23:02:53 and there are the guys which actually look what happens, from time to time Jan 27 23:03:06 Pali: yep, maybe Jan 27 23:03:23 Pali: wait, HAM is not in stable? Jan 27 23:03:42 are you sure? Jan 27 23:03:46 new version with fixed domains not yet Jan 27 23:03:50 ok Jan 27 23:03:51 at least not in git Jan 27 23:04:08 in git stable branch is before my domain changes Jan 27 23:04:18 I see Jan 27 23:04:49 well, I guess it is not "that" late then :) Jan 27 23:05:04 ok, I will find some time in next days to create more HAM domain packages Jan 27 23:05:28 please *stop* releasing any new cssu metapackage Jan 27 23:05:32 Pali: what about that "freedom of coice" fix? Jan 27 23:05:48 *choice Jan 27 23:05:49 what is freedom of choice? Jan 27 23:05:57 Pali: would it be simple to keep the domain info in the same ham package? Jan 27 23:06:09 for the maintainers, i mean Jan 27 23:06:22 kerio, my idea is that domain files will be moved into more separate packages Jan 27 23:06:22 HAM that allows you to choose alternative packages Jan 27 23:06:25 er, in the enabler Jan 27 23:06:33 each package will provides some name Jan 27 23:06:41 Pali: why no more -mp? Jan 27 23:06:41 and enabler will depends on that provides name Jan 27 23:07:05 freemangordon, before this will be fixed Jan 27 23:07:09 aah, ok Jan 27 23:07:17 Pali: having the enabler depend on a particular name isn't exactly different from shipping the domain info in the enabler, i feel Jan 27 23:07:22 I think this *is* blocker for any cssu now Jan 27 23:07:47 kerio, no I mean that you will be able to install any domain package Jan 27 23:08:00 but domain package will be only in one repository Jan 27 23:08:11 however, I am going to have some sleep, night guys Jan 27 23:08:14 so if you will only stable repo you will be able to install only stable domain Jan 27 23:08:25 oh, like "community-domain-info"? Jan 27 23:08:34 and if you want to install testing, you will *have to* click on wiki on install link Jan 27 23:09:02 Pali: actually Jan 27 23:09:15 keep the domain information in community-ssu-enabler Jan 27 23:09:26 only move the catalogues away Jan 27 23:09:54 kerio, problem is that domain is linked to system catalog Jan 27 23:10:12 can .install files specify more than one package? Jan 27 23:10:15 and adding system catalogue is possible only by adding it via file to /usr/ Jan 27 23:10:38 install files cannot add system catalogue (which can be linked to domain) Jan 27 23:10:38 Pali: community-ssu-enabler ships the whole community-ssu-domains.xexp Jan 27 23:10:46 ...oh Jan 27 23:10:52 no, wait Jan 27 23:10:55 i realize that Jan 27 23:11:00 kerio, I think you can add more deb packages to install files Jan 27 23:11:12 the actual repo with domain information will be installed by the package Jan 27 23:11:16 but, what you can is to add catalogue to install file Jan 27 23:11:30 so then new package can depends on packages from that catalogue Jan 27 23:12:10 Pali: ok, i got it Jan 27 23:12:18 kerio, now it working: click on wiki --> add user cssu catalogue, install cssu enabler --> postinst: remove user cssu catalogue, add system cssu catalogue Jan 27 23:12:29 community-ssu-enabler has domains and keys Jan 27 23:13:10 the .install files will add the appropriate repo and install community-ssu-stable or community-ssu-testing Jan 27 23:13:18 yes Jan 27 23:13:27 those depend on community-ssu-enabler Jan 27 23:13:39 and they install the proper "system" repo Jan 27 23:13:58 cssu enabler enable proper system cssu repo Jan 27 23:14:08 yeah, we change that Jan 27 23:14:15 (it enable all users enabled) Jan 27 23:14:18 make it so enabler only adds keys and domain info Jan 27 23:14:23 and then remove all users Jan 27 23:14:34 and add separate packages to add the catalogue Jan 27 23:15:19 and what is different between: 1) separate all (domain, catalogues) and 2) separate only catalogues? Jan 27 23:16:00 Pali: once community-ssu-enabler is pulled in via the metapackage or upgraded, it enters the domain Jan 27 23:16:12 so it couldn't be upgraded from stable to testing Jan 27 23:16:17 not very easily, at least Jan 27 23:16:31 testing has higher priority as stable Jan 27 23:16:45 so cssu enabler can be updated from stable to testing Jan 27 23:17:04 yes, but only if the domain information is already there Jan 27 23:17:09 ...oh, i see Jan 27 23:17:15 yes, it would work the same Jan 27 23:18:22 no it wouldn't Jan 27 23:18:28 why not? Jan 27 23:18:43 community-ssu-enabler depends on cssu-catalogue Jan 27 23:18:55 cssu-catalogue-stable provides cssu-catalogue Jan 27 23:19:07 cssu-catalogue-testing provides cssu-catalogue Jan 27 23:19:16 Pali: nah, make it simpler Jan 27 23:19:27 cssu-catalogue-* will have catalogue + domain file Jan 27 23:19:33 community-ssu-stable depends on community-ssu-enabler Jan 27 23:19:37 community-ssu-testing depends on community-ssu-enabler Jan 27 23:19:53 ok Jan 27 23:19:54 the flavour packages will have catalogue+domain Jan 27 23:20:44 and i suppose that the community-testing mp will have to conflict with community-ssu-stable Jan 27 23:20:54 why? Jan 27 23:21:10 you should be able to have both packages installed Jan 27 23:21:44 how can I restore the original transitions.ini rom the hildon-desktop package? Jan 27 23:22:07 Pali: hm, confusion Jan 27 23:22:21 merlin1191, freemangordon, see this ^^^ Jan 27 23:22:21 tttupn: reinstall it Jan 27 23:22:26 what do you think? Jan 27 23:22:38 Pali: i'll think about it tomorrow when i'm more awake Jan 27 23:22:43 but so far, it's good Jan 27 23:22:58 kerio, where will be there merlin tell him this ^^^ Jan 27 23:23:04 I'm going offline Jan 27 23:23:08 k Jan 27 23:23:13 goodnight Jan 27 23:23:41 hm what? Jan 27 23:24:01 pa Jan 27 23:24:02 er Jan 27 23:24:08 a "apt-get install --reinstall --purge hildon-desktop" won't overwrite the transitions.ini Jan 27 23:24:23 Pali: this is if we don't decide to get rid of the domain thing altogether Jan 27 23:24:27 tttupn: hm Jan 27 23:24:40 I could manually extract it Jan 27 23:26:02 tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-application-manager* Jan 27 23:26:08 er Jan 27 23:26:11 wtf am i saying Jan 27 23:26:13 Evening! Jan 27 23:26:17 tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-desktop* Jan 27 23:27:36 * MrPingu is finally done laughing Jan 27 23:27:47 MrPingu: for what? Jan 27 23:27:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1318271#post1318271 Jan 27 23:29:15 oh god script kids Jan 27 23:29:21 Isn't it funny? Banned by haxoring around, poor boy... Jan 27 23:30:05 keiro: no luck Jan 27 23:32:22 tttupn: hm, just download a good one from TMO Jan 27 23:32:26 tttupn: if you have cssu there should be a original + cssu specific parameter transitions.in in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.dpkg-dist Jan 27 23:32:29 the default sucks, anyway Jan 27 23:33:22 yeah, i did that. but actually there is a weird scrolling bug. I'll try the original one now Jan 27 23:33:57 just half all the values and you're good to go Jan 27 23:34:30 hmm scrolling bug? Jan 27 23:35:00 it's gone with the original transitions.ini Jan 27 23:35:17 What are it's symptoms? Jan 27 23:36:21 * MrPingu must admit my bookmarks window of microB has some illness regarding scrolling too Jan 27 23:36:35 i get that sometimes Jan 27 23:36:43 but it's unfrequent enough Jan 27 23:36:48 I was able to scroll heigher than the top an below the bottom in the application list (about 1/3 of the screen) and this would be the new top / bottom Jan 27 23:38:14 somhow diffecult to discribe, but the file from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78591 here was somhow strange. there were some negative values... Jan 27 23:38:27 I could pastebin my transition but it's not original Jan 27 23:38:56 thx, but I just restored the original. Jan 27 23:39:00 all perfect. Jan 27 23:39:51 good :) Jan 27 23:41:12 Just realised that my N900 is the only phone I managed to have longer than a year Jan 27 23:42:40 same here, but replace a year by a year and a half :p Jan 27 23:43:40 btw, there is no source for the on screen keyboard? Jan 27 23:43:53 owned this since 2010 Jan 27 23:45:21 Got my N900 from Jan 2011, new for 180 EUR :) Jan 27 23:46:55 Got my N900 from Mar 2010, new for 689 EUR :) Jan 27 23:47:23 a little more than you lol Jan 27 23:48:31 tttupn: I believe it should be somewhere in cssu as freemangordon RE'ed it Jan 27 23:49:18 FIQ: only a little ;) Jan 27 23:50:34 box was so cool Jan 27 23:56:45 tttupn: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ ;) Jan 27 23:57:43 vkbrender and hildon input methods are used by vkb Jan 27 23:58:35 My bed is calling Jan 27 23:58:52 * MrPingu waves good night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 28 03:00:00 2013