**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 29 02:59:58 2013 Jan 29 06:44:47 ~mirrors Jan 29 06:44:47 extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 29 08:16:55 kerio, who told ya to that I'm using kp51? Jan 29 08:17:14 idk, you? Jan 29 08:17:31 my results about 1350 mA charging is on kp52, I just talked about downgrading to cullprint possible reason Jan 29 08:17:45 i see Jan 29 08:17:47 as I moved to new motherboard and new kp at the same time Jan 29 08:18:30 WizardNumberNext, I know about charging chip hardcoded values, probably better than you :P still, I'm experiencing 1350 mA charging here - measured it with external tools, too - and I have NFC why Jan 29 08:21:21 hw problem? Jan 29 08:21:40 as for all this sounds non-sense - I understand that you like vinyls more, and respect that. Furthermore, I like vinyls too, for collectors value and nice nostalgia aspect of warm sound Jan 29 08:22:11 still, I won't belive any of this "I can hear difference above 20khz" until you participate in proper blind tests Jan 29 08:22:52 they have done zillions of it, busting things like this "special" type of cd-r audiophile audio (the ones that looks like had triangles on surface, can't remember name) Jan 29 08:22:56 except that the warm sound is probably caused by the loss of low frequences due to the degradation of the physical disc Jan 29 08:23:03 kerio, of course Jan 29 08:23:18 but it's just matter of prefferences, I can understand that people may like it Jan 29 08:23:29 every time you listen to a vinyl, you're rerecording a slightly distorted version over it Jan 29 08:24:08 anyway, no matter if they were comparing 192 khz version to lowpass=20khz or any other, result of large blind tests, including vinyl maniacs, were always ~50% Jan 29 08:24:15 aka coin throw Jan 29 08:24:39 kerio, in digital world, it's also the case - even sound card, even best one, have it own disortions Jan 29 08:24:59 we like some of them more than others, that's why we like some sounds cards more than others Jan 29 08:25:19 (not talking about obvious heavy disortions in some cheap cards like chinese usb ones) Jan 29 08:26:32 fun fact - blind test comparing some pro melomaniac cards with audigy 2zs from sound - tw, in every test, one card was present *twice*without listeners knowing it Jan 29 08:26:41 very fun to read how they described sound Jan 29 08:26:51 and how differently they took the same card playing twice Jan 29 08:27:06 :D Jan 29 08:27:16 Estel_: but the soundcard isn't the sound Jan 29 08:27:32 and your analog apparatus can also have its own distortions Jan 29 08:27:38 well, in same enviromnent, changing card changes sound a little Jan 29 08:27:41 sure thing Jan 29 08:27:56 that's why for tests you're always using top notch analog set Jan 29 08:28:19 not to mention than brain indeed *is* nice at filtering some things (or placebo effects ;) ) Jan 29 08:28:23 in fact, i'm not quite certain why people go on rambling about the fact that you only have 16 bits or 24 or 32 for each sample instead of a real value Jan 29 08:28:33 while the vinyl is listened to using a *mechanical* thing Jan 29 08:28:46 for fuck's sake, my bathroom's door jams about one in three times Jan 29 08:28:49 but it doesn't have anything to do about wasting space for including frequencies above 20khz in recordings on N900 or any digital media meant for humans Jan 29 08:29:21 besides, vinyls are recorded with a weird equalization and you're supposed to undo that equalization to listen to them Jan 29 08:29:45 Estel_: my point is that the only sensible thing to do to store audio recordings is to use digital audio Jan 29 08:30:12 well, no one ever was able to identify 16 bit vs 24 or 32, in blind tests, either Jan 29 08:30:45 of course, it is only sensible per technical side, but if someone prefers listening to vinyls more, I have no problem with it ;) Jan 29 08:30:50 oh absolutely Jan 29 08:31:01 btw I like vinyls for nice bigger side for art Jan 29 08:31:05 and bigger cover Jan 29 08:31:14 yeah, that's something that's kinda missing with cd releases Jan 29 08:31:16 some vinyls are art in themselves Jan 29 08:31:43 strangely enough, usually digital releases include really big artwork Jan 29 08:31:56 + nostalgia value for setting speed and all this needle thing... Although I don't listen to my collectible vinyls often, to not wear them :P Jan 29 08:32:26 BTW, new equipment use laser and it's reflections to read from vinyls, without wearing them Jan 29 08:32:38 say about digital analog :P Jan 29 08:32:48 Estel_: except for the radiation pressure Jan 29 08:33:15 oh, needle is prone to magnetism, too ;) Jan 29 08:33:27 clearly, if you're *that* good of an audiophile, you should be able to hear the difference! Jan 29 08:33:34 ;) Jan 29 08:33:38 errr, 16bit actually have considerable distorion on very low sounds like -50dB, due to linear quantization Jan 29 08:34:20 DocScrutinizer05, sure, and there are people who *hear*sound at above 20khz. But, hearing sounds, and telling difference in real-life tracks, is a different thing Jan 29 08:34:32 sure Jan 29 08:34:59 i'd like a general switch to 96k/24 Jan 29 08:35:04 that's why I said "preservation for hystorical purposes" should be always done i higher frequency range and sample rate possible Jan 29 08:35:10 but, real life usage, not Jan 29 08:35:13 but then again, i usually listen listen to V0 MP3s via A2DP Jan 29 08:35:26 kerio, I wouldn't, due to wasted space Jan 29 08:35:26 100 ack, I'm also not using oxygen-free 10mm^2 power cord to plug my amp to the wall outlet, where 1.5mm NYM starts Jan 29 08:35:33 ;-P Jan 29 08:35:38 :P Jan 29 08:35:57 shouldnt the hifists be using superconductors Jan 29 08:35:59 well, WizardNumberNext was whinning about N900 amp being not able to use 96 khz... Jan 29 08:36:09 for their audio cables Jan 29 08:36:19 not compare it to N900 (still rather good!) DAC... Jan 29 08:36:41 but studio equipment iirc using 24bit, and they do that for a reason Jan 29 08:36:53 sure thing Jan 29 08:37:01 DocScrutinizer05: not 32? sounds a bit harder to go from 24 to 16 Jan 29 08:37:22 industry standards, more things compatible with 24 Jan 29 08:37:43 nevermind, you still just have to take the most significant 16 bits anyway Jan 29 08:37:48 and even studios are not eager to pay zillions for whole infra upgrade to 32, for no real difference in perceived quality Jan 29 08:38:41 btw, WizardNumberNext, if you're interested in audiophile quality from N900, searcgh tmo for thread about N900 used together with external DAC Jan 29 08:38:47 where I humbly participated ;) Jan 29 08:39:49 using hostmode, you can connect your audiophile DAC (which you undoubtly own :P) to N900 and redirect whole audio there, bypassing N900's dac Jan 29 08:40:31 now, call me barbarian, but while I really like this project and worked to bring it into usable state, I really like N900's DAC and think it's producing very good quality sound Jan 29 08:40:58 btw, thread in question was something like "N900 as portable audiophile music player" or smth like that Jan 29 08:41:55 using the ocassionp kudos to hostmode team again Jan 29 08:42:08 for bringing all those never-expected possibilities to N900 Jan 29 08:44:04 i did buy monster extension lead recently Jan 29 08:44:08 "buy" Jan 29 08:44:23 guy at the shop was so eager to sell it to me that i got it for free with everything else i bought Jan 29 08:46:00 lol Jan 29 08:46:15 what is it, led torch for connecting it to usb? Jan 29 08:46:21 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monster-Definition-HDP-750G-PowerCenter/dp/B003N1KL3E/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_0 Jan 29 08:46:29 £40 Jan 29 08:46:42 BTW, from the series of "epic replicas": Jan 29 08:46:43 http://img02.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/85/99/14/2985991462 Jan 29 08:46:47 it's not a mockup Jan 29 08:46:59 it's the fake system found in one of N900's replicas Jan 29 08:47:05 someone is gonna die for that Jan 29 08:47:47 epic Jan 29 08:47:53 hahaha Jan 29 08:47:59 Estel_: url to the auction? Jan 29 08:49:27 sure Jan 29 08:49:36 http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=2985991462 Jan 29 08:49:48 jacekowski, wtf is that you've provided link for? Jan 29 08:50:08 monster oxygen free and all that BS extension lead Jan 29 08:50:18 hehe Jan 29 08:50:21 tadzik, yesterday I showed "almost" perfect replica Jan 29 08:50:32 I see Jan 29 08:51:26 freemangordon, what is the possible use case for end-users of this acceleration thing you're cooking? Jan 29 08:51:30 sounds exciting Jan 29 08:52:13 Estel_: look at embedLite(IPCLite) thread on TMO Jan 29 08:56:25 vme nods Jan 29 08:56:39 s/vme/\/me Jan 29 08:57:21 I'm afraid I'm missing some very interesting threads on TMO due to "various reasons" Jan 29 08:58:33 it's thread about qt fennec, freemangordon Jan 29 08:58:39 ? Jan 29 09:01:24 romaxa: calling d->mView->SetGLViewTransform(matr); in QGraphicsMozView::paint almost halves fps, without that call, I am able to achieve > 40 fps on both scrolling (TMO) and your 3d cube. Of course address bar is not visible without that call. I looked at the code path for SetGLViewTransform and found nothing suspicious. Any idea? Could it be there is some thread context switch? Jan 29 09:01:30 Estel_: exactly Jan 29 09:02:24 looks neat Jan 29 09:02:46 Vinyl is obsolete. Jan 29 09:05:19 vi____nyl may be obsolete, but it's still fun to look at ;) Jan 29 09:05:41 excuse pun Jan 29 11:09:13 That's one hell of a weird n900 Jan 29 11:09:19 sporting Windows XP? lol Jan 29 11:29:58 lolwut Jan 29 12:06:56 Pali: i say fuck the domain stuff Jan 29 12:07:24 it's silly Jan 29 12:07:32 current cssu-stable users have a fscked-up domain information anyway Jan 29 13:51:02 * RST38h sacrifices a hamster Jan 29 14:30:59 what domain stuff? Jan 29 14:37:51 ShadowJK: HAM's builtin "protection" against updates to system packages Jan 29 15:26:59 romaxa: why is clip set in EmbedLiteViewThreadParent::SetGLViewTransform and EmbedLiteCompositorParent::RenderGL()? with removing the call to mgr->GetRoot()->SetClipRect(&mActiveClipping); from RenderGL() and removing the call to SetGLViewTransform from QGraphicsMozView::paint I have 40-50 fps with GL renderning. Is SetGLViewTransform used for rotation on harmattan or what? Jan 29 15:37:13 merlin1991: I updated descriptions of some CSSU packages on gitorious Jan 29 15:37:59 freemangordon, can you move libcal library to cssu gitorious? Jan 29 15:38:06 merlin already created repo for it Jan 29 15:39:11 freemangoron, also I cloned https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme and https://gitorious.org/libbmeipc to https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement project Jan 29 15:40:20 Pali: will do (libcal) Jan 29 15:46:33 freemangordon: SetGLViewTransform - yes it is used mostly for rotation, but clip also used in order to clip browser viewport to QGraphicsScene... at least before begin/endNativePainting is used Jan 29 15:47:17 freemangordon: without that I guess you should see some parts of the page always hidden behind URL bar Jan 29 15:49:39 romaxa: no, it looks ok Jan 29 15:49:51 at least on n900 Jan 29 15:50:12 and UI is like butter :D Jan 29 15:50:21 freemangordon: hmm interesting Jan 29 15:51:13 freemangordon: do you have patch with part removing clipping? Jan 29 15:51:21 romaxa: another hmmm... bug. why is used painter->fillRect(r, d->mBgColor);? in QGraphicsMozView::paint that is. Why we don't use GL to draw the background Jan 29 15:51:56 romaxa: no, I wanted to ask you first why is that used, esp clipping Jan 29 15:53:13 romaxa: but you just need to comment clipping part in RenderGL(EmBedLiteCompositorParent.cpp) and to not call SetGLViewTransform in paint() Jan 29 15:54:09 that fillRect lowers fps by 5-10 or something Jan 29 15:56:09 romaxa: AIUI OGL compositor(layer manager or whatever it is called) has background color fill already implemented, isn't it better to extend embedLite API with some SetBackgroundColor function ? Jan 29 15:57:52 freemangordon: that has been done for quick impl... ideally I need to make GL paint that background Jan 29 15:59:06 freemangordon: on harmattan fillRect in GL mode supposed to work very fast, but on Fremantle it is not Jan 29 16:00:00 freemangordon: ideally I need to implement ColorLayer into Layer tree and do GL background color fill with mozilla, but it is more flexible to render custom background on UI side Jan 29 16:01:14 freemangordon: where did you see background color filling with OGL? Jan 29 16:01:22 romaxa: If I get it right, background color is painted even now (it is black), one just need to change it Jan 29 16:01:29 romaxa: will try to find it Jan 29 16:01:41 (again) Jan 29 16:03:01 ping DocScrutinizer05 Jan 29 16:03:12 what is with mail for nokia about GPG key? Jan 29 16:03:51 romaxa: LayerManagerOGL::Render()? Jan 29 16:04:22 romaxa: mGLContext->fClearColor(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0); Jan 29 16:04:24 mGLContext->fClear(LOCAL_GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT | LOCAL_GL_DEPTH_BUFFER_BIT); Jan 29 16:04:55 though I think there was another function using some member variable Jan 29 16:05:08 and doing glClear Jan 29 16:07:20 romaxa: I guess we can just call glClear in paint() instead of fillRect Jan 29 16:09:25 freemangordon: yep, that make sese... Jan 29 16:20:47 romaxa: yep, doing glClearColor(1,1,1,0); glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT); instead of fillRect does the job Jan 29 16:21:55 luf: hi man, long time no see :) Jan 29 16:23:23 freemangordon: Hello ... I know :) Jan 29 16:23:41 freemangordon: new job and a lot of other things to do :( Jan 29 16:24:45 romaxa: I found one problem with my modifications(clip and transformation matrix removal), touch events positions are not correct. Though I guess that will be easy to be fixed by someone familiar with the code :) Jan 29 16:28:21 luf: new job? ooh Jan 29 16:36:50 Estel_: sorry I have been sleeping and forgot to mark myself as being away. Charging, ok I believe you, but it still very strange. If it comes to amp - amp just amplify, so it able to play whatever you throw at it, as long as it fits in band. I do not care about freqs above 24kHz, as I doubt I can hear anything past 25kHz and anyway from music point of view there's nothing usable - it is about more samples in high frequency ( Jan 29 16:36:52 like say 16kHz and above), which I am concerned about. I am always interested in as high quality as I can get, unfortunately apart from my sound-system I do not have another DAC (shame isn't it) Jan 29 16:38:08 so, my chasing of 192kHz/32b have nothing to do with frequency above 25kHz, but everything about as many as possible samples in frequencies like 1kHz - 25kHz Jan 29 16:42:18 simply consider perfect sinusoid at 16kHz - with 44.1kHz sampling you will hear noise, not sinusoid, and every next sample would be in pretty much random place. So now you see why I choose high sampling rate with 32b. Jan 29 16:43:04 sampling at 44.1kHz will let you reconstruct the 16kHz sinusoid Jan 29 16:43:38 if you're worried about imprecisions, increase bit depth, not sampling rate Jan 29 16:46:04 and highest frequency. which could be reproduced with 44.1kHz sampling isn't 22,05kHzbut more like 11025Hz ans it is still saw, not sinusoid. So I bet you need at least 12-16 samples to reproduces any usuful signal - which would be around 2756.25-3675Hz Jan 29 16:46:16 no, kerio you do understand principle Jan 29 16:47:06 if you probe sound and you want to reproduce it, then you need loads of samples to reproduce it, not just 2 or 3 Jan 29 16:47:31 with 3 samples it won't work - it would noise - nothing else Jan 29 16:47:44 yes, that's why you sample fourty four thousand times per second Jan 29 16:48:15 with 2 samples on better end you get saw, which is not natural, or in worst case you can get silence Jan 29 16:48:29 ~44.1/16 Jan 29 16:48:30 2.75625 Jan 29 16:48:44 ...wat? Jan 29 16:48:54 this is amount of samples for 16kHz with 44.1kHz sampling Jan 29 16:49:00 ...WAT? Jan 29 16:49:06 it creates noise, not usefull signal Jan 29 16:51:41 amount of samples for one cycle of 16kHz Jan 29 16:51:42 zero-max-zero-min-zero Jan 29 16:55:37 WizardNumberNext: fourier transforms don't work that way, dude Jan 29 16:59:56 WizardNumberNext: are you sure you don't think about PWM? Jan 29 17:01:01 WizardNumberNext: when you do DAC you put lowpass filter at the end ;) Jan 29 17:26:26 Where to sign up as volunteer? Jan 29 17:27:02 n900-dk: idk, ask doc Jan 29 17:27:07 there's not a "place" really Jan 29 17:27:53 no formulars? ;) Jan 29 17:29:30 ok, there might also be enough volunteers already. Jan 29 17:30:21 it's not even about fourier transform Jan 29 17:32:28 But the phenomenon is called aliasing, a 22.05kHz sinewave sampled at 44.1 will be squarewave.. but the components that make it square are higher frequencies than 22.05Khz :) Jan 29 17:39:40 n900-dk: well, what can you provide? Jan 29 17:41:48 kerio: I work with network-engineering, dns-setups and sysadm Jan 29 17:42:06 cool Jan 29 17:56:30 freemangordon: we cannot remove SetGLViewTransform completely, but it probably make sense to provide option not set clip rect, also patch for glClear in qgraphicsmozview would be welcome Jan 29 18:24:22 hrm Jan 29 18:24:57 romaxa: ok, i'll work on my clone and will do a couple of pull requests, maybe tomorrow Jan 29 18:25:43 romaxa: could you test in the meantime if glClear instead of fillRect will do the job on harm too? Jan 29 19:54:11 usbnet is not easy :( Jan 29 19:54:24 hji Jan 29 19:54:26 hi Jan 29 19:58:28 Freemangordon: hi , i installed fennec 17.0a1 from thumb repo but when running it will crash instantly and from terminal segmentation fault . Any help ? Jan 29 19:59:04 myname24: there is some conflict with nemo's VKB, whatever the name was Jan 29 19:59:28 maliit or something Jan 29 20:01:13 Ok thanks i will uninstall it and report back :) Jan 29 20:37:34 Freemangordon: i removed nemo vkb and still the same error Jan 29 20:38:17 did you try to remove /home/user/.mozilla/fennec? Jan 29 20:41:05 Yes and a reboot also . Still crash Jan 29 20:41:15 strace it Jan 29 20:41:53 myname24: hmm, strange. I guess you have libqtm12 installed Jan 29 20:42:15 Yes . Should i removed it ? Jan 29 20:42:16 though you won;t have segfault if some lib is missing Jan 29 20:42:21 myname24: no Jan 29 20:42:46 myname24: did you remove maliit qt plugin? Jan 29 20:42:53 qt/qml Jan 29 20:43:01 libmallit or something Jan 29 20:43:06 btw no need to reboot Jan 29 20:43:15 *libmaliit Jan 29 20:43:50 myname24: could you give me the output from "dpkg -l | grep maliit" Jan 29 20:46:36 I removed libmaliit1 and it's dependecies and meecast was removed . But fennec is working now . Thanks Jan 29 20:46:53 np Jan 29 20:47:09 * freemangordon wonders WTF is meecast Jan 29 20:49:13 myname24: Why TF you are not using omvweather widget? Jan 29 20:49:33 but some bloated harm crap? Jan 29 20:51:56 I have omweather :) but the widget was too much power hungry ( but nice) . Now i have accuweather and i don't need widgets . Jan 29 20:52:33 myname24: power hungry? putting it on my desktop does not change battery life. at all ;) Jan 29 20:53:21 well, i guess if you set it up to check every five minutes it will affect the battery life Jan 29 20:54:34 Every 4 hours . But i'm suspecting something is consuming battery . Idle cpu is 5-6% is that normal ? Jan 29 20:54:46 yep Jan 29 20:54:58 if you measure, it is not idle :) Jan 29 20:55:12 freemangordon, pong Jan 29 20:55:21 which process takes those 5-6%? Jan 29 20:55:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1159344#post1159344# Jan 29 20:55:27 fosdem anyone ? Jan 29 20:55:37 e-yes and I will met there Jan 29 20:55:46 qwazix: I think I made a big progress with embedLite port to fremantle Jan 29 20:56:48 Latest: youtube H264 though DSP (HW accel), webgl romaxa's cube @ 40 fps, GL accelerated rendering, scrolls @ 40-50 fps Jan 29 20:57:10 memory usage seems fine too Jan 29 20:57:10 8) Jan 29 20:57:22 :) :) Yep, I'm reading the backscroll Jan 29 20:57:27 wow! Jan 29 20:57:42 If cube is what I think it is, then this is superawesome Jan 29 20:58:09 on firefoxOS dev devices (dual core) it doesn't get 10fps Jan 29 20:58:16 qwazix: that one ./qmlMozEmbedTest -url http://romaxa.info/css3d/cube3d/cube_fast.html Jan 29 20:58:50 this ./qmlMozEmbedTest -url http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html crashes when GL accel is on Jan 29 20:58:51 Oh, no, it's not that the other one had video on all faces Jan 29 20:58:52 qwazix: so you got one ? :) Jan 29 20:59:05 M4rtinK, not yet Jan 29 20:59:18 I just saw them in AppDays Jan 29 20:59:20 but I guess it is upstream bug, i'll report it later on Jan 29 20:59:41 but I'll have one once they ship :) :) Jan 29 20:59:48 nice :) Jan 29 20:59:55 qwazix: vidoe stutters a bit when GL accel is on, but I guess it is all matter of fixing upstream bugs Jan 29 21:00:05 *video Jan 29 21:00:28 qwazix: so, the big question: what we gonna do with the UI Jan 29 21:01:30 qwazix: on the side note: if you put the address bar on to, we'll lose 10-15 fps when GL acceleration is on :P. Unless I foud a way to fix that Jan 29 21:01:40 s/on to/on top/ Jan 29 21:01:40 freemangordon meant: qwazix: on the side note: if you put the address bar on top, we'll lose 10-15 fps when GL acceleration is on :P. Unless I foud a way to fix that Jan 29 21:02:21 ? What does the position of the address bar has to do with GL? Jan 29 21:03:17 freemangordon: make it separate window? Jan 29 21:03:57 KotCzarny: what to make a separate window? Jan 29 21:04:08 address bar Jan 29 21:04:09 :) Jan 29 21:04:20 I intend to continue with the UI but I can only spend around 10-20h/week, which means at least two weeks before basic functionality is there Jan 29 21:04:33 unless somebody wants to jump in Jan 29 21:05:34 qwazix: if MoxEmbedLite widget is not on 0,0 (x,y) there is a transformation matrix to be applied. for some reason it slows down the things Jan 29 21:05:48 I'll try to fix it, I promise :) Jan 29 21:06:00 freemangordon, then we'll have to get rid of the title bar too Jan 29 21:06:10 yep Jan 29 21:06:12 composite it Jan 29 21:06:23 separate windows Jan 29 21:06:25 :) Jan 29 21:06:38 KotCzarny: compositing slow down the thing a lot Jan 29 21:06:38 (except if 0,0 doesn't count if it's the native one Jan 29 21:07:02 qwazix: 0,0 is not 0,0 in terms of GL, you know Jan 29 21:07:03 hmm Jan 29 21:07:09 then make it fullscreen Jan 29 21:07:13 it is Jan 29 21:07:21 freemangordon, no, I don't know please explain Jan 29 21:07:24 with toolbars sliding in Jan 29 21:07:48 how do you think I achieve 50 fps on what is essentialy fennec 20.1a? Jan 29 21:08:18 qwazix: GL coodinate system starts bottom left Jan 29 21:08:28 not top left Jan 29 21:08:45 so 0,0 is 0,480 in terms of OGL Jan 29 21:08:50 on n900 Jan 29 21:09:07 it is weird :D Jan 29 21:09:07 natural grid Jan 29 21:09:09 Ah, physics notation Jan 29 21:09:14 yep Jan 29 21:09:24 so do we need real 0,0 or GL 0,0? Jan 29 21:09:55 (btw that learningwebgl link segfaults on romaxa's nemo build too) Jan 29 21:11:03 qwazix: youh, seems like upstream bug Jan 29 21:11:06 *yeah Jan 29 21:11:23 anyway, nitenite Jan 29 21:11:25 try with SW_RENDER=1 qmlMoz... Jan 29 21:11:35 Kotnite Jan 29 21:12:08 Anyway, don't worry too much about that, we'll move the address bar if needed. Jan 29 21:12:58 We can also do another trick, create a usercontent.css which moves everything 56 pixels down and overlay at least the title bar over the empty space Jan 29 21:13:17 that way we still got the mozilla widget on 0,0 Jan 29 21:13:54 I am afraid it will overpaint the address bar, but we may try it Jan 29 21:14:43 we can also create an addressbar/titlebar in html as a last resort Jan 29 21:14:44 however, I think I will find the way to fix that. At least I'll try Jan 29 21:14:58 qwazix: that doesn't sound too bad Jan 29 21:15:45 this thingie is fast enough, it loads pages almost with the speed of qtwebkit Jan 29 21:15:52 In fact we can create the full UI in html, or even steal it from boot2gecko Jan 29 21:16:22 qwazix: if you say so. I am not much into gecko/xul, etc Jan 29 21:16:53 though it wouldn't make much of a difference if it is qml or html Jan 29 21:17:34 I don't know xul either but I think b2g firefox instance isn't xul but plain HTML5, i'll check it out Jan 29 21:17:40 though if we do the html stuff, we don;t need qdeclarative stuff, simple qt will do it. moar free RAM that is :D Jan 29 21:18:43 hm, but we'd have to find some way to read the current theme in html, or go with non-native look Jan 29 21:18:58 qwazix: mi biggest fear was that at the end we'd have something with the speed of -thumb fennec - usable, but far from good. Jan 29 21:19:03 *my Jan 29 21:19:24 (webgl learning thingie doesn't work with SW_RENDER but no segfault) Jan 29 21:19:25 so far it seems it wil be good Jan 29 21:19:43 qwazix: well, it works here with SW_RENDER Jan 29 21:19:52 qwazix: pass -no-glwidget Jan 29 21:20:15 ./qmlMozEmbedTest -url http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html -no-glwidget Jan 29 21:20:52 ok, after reboot. It crashed on me :) Jan 29 21:20:55 btw cpu@805 renders it with ~ 14 fps Jan 29 21:21:02 n900 Jan 29 21:21:06 how do you check fps? Jan 29 21:21:18 export SHOW_FPS=30 Jan 29 21:21:38 tx Jan 29 21:22:48 we'll have some problems with video, I hope romaxa to fix them. It seems no xv(overlay) is used, but sw scaling Jan 29 21:28:20 oh drat, I mistyped and got a crash again Jan 29 21:34:52 no, crashed with no-glwidget too Jan 29 21:35:03 ooh Jan 29 21:35:14 well, it works in fremantle Jan 29 21:35:16 That is nemo on N950 Jan 29 21:36:45 so, before continuing the qml route I'll check out what other options we have for UI and report Jan 29 21:37:06 well, qml is not that bad in that case Jan 29 21:37:55 Also if somebody wants to help a nice documentation of functions that should be called from the UI would be nice, reading coderus' code would provide most of that Jan 29 21:40:14 qwazix: reading test qlm too, it is nothing complicated Jan 29 21:41:57 yeah, but as I've seen it misses most features Jan 29 21:42:09 bookmarks, options etc Jan 29 22:15:05 qwazix: small update, we came from some 20 physical servers plus Akamai server farm, the current config already is massively consolidated by Nemein Jan 29 22:18:10 haha, DocScrutinizer05 you've been reading me feeding the trolls? Jan 29 22:18:36 I can update that ok Jan 29 22:19:18 and it is actually faster now ? :) Jan 29 22:19:21 interesting Jan 29 22:19:21 DocScrutinizer05, and what is with email to nokia?? Jan 29 22:19:42 I don't know of any email to nokia Jan 29 22:19:48 about gpg key Jan 29 22:20:17 if you do not have time, I will write response Jan 29 22:20:26 we really want working downloads.maemo.nokia.com Jan 29 22:21:27 I think somebody said it's not my business, during last council meeting Jan 29 22:21:49 DocScrutinizer05: ...i recall you telling MT that you would be doing it Jan 29 22:22:00 DocScrutinizer05, somebody who got thay mail should answer to nokia ASAP Jan 29 22:22:18 kerio, who is MT? Jan 29 22:22:25 MentalistTraceur Jan 29 22:22:33 hm, is online? Jan 29 22:22:37 also I never seen any proper request for any particular mail to nokia, except that guy in maemo-ssu mentioning "if such a mail explaining impact to the mail thread ... und desk... would help" Jan 29 22:22:40 he doesn't do IRC very much Jan 29 22:23:00 any other contact? Jan 29 22:23:13 and I honestly don't see why council is in charge to write such mail Jan 29 22:23:14 if nobody has time to write mail, I will do it again Jan 29 22:23:17 DocScrutinizer05: it seems that MT is the one to do so, alright Jan 29 22:23:32 DocScrutinizer05, because council got email from nokia? Jan 29 22:23:35 DocScrutinizer05: because nokia probably doesn't give a crap, but we do Jan 29 22:24:02 and council is somewhat "official" Jan 29 22:24:21 if you're so eager to take that "...would help" for a request for a further mail, go ahead and send it Jan 29 22:24:43 btw, have any of you heard from that akuma guy again? Jan 29 22:25:27 council is your ambassador, not your secretary Jan 29 22:25:45 hmm? Jan 29 22:25:58 akuma ? Jan 29 22:26:21 TO & CC in GPG mail from nokia: me, DocScrutinizer05, ivgalvez, council and board Jan 29 22:26:30 fuck, MO is down again :( Jan 29 22:26:32 the nokia guy who said he'll come back to that "nice helpful channel" on monday Jan 29 22:26:43 DocScrutinizer05, so really only one of ^^^ can answer to email Jan 29 22:26:46 freemangordon: worksforme, just slow Jan 29 22:27:04 kerio: no Jan 29 22:27:11 does not work Jan 29 22:27:14 Pali: FFS I already DID answer to that mail Jan 29 22:27:35 and I went out of loop when he added you to the CC Jan 29 22:28:01 so WTF am I suddenly in the loop again? Anything you need me for? Jan 29 22:28:17 when will be gpg key fixed Jan 29 22:29:52 freemangordon: kerio: yes, it's strange. wget works in just 2s instead of 0.9, ssh to firewall works like a charm, but browser takes 20s again here, to load&render ~flashing Jan 29 22:30:04 I'll give the FW another boot Jan 29 22:30:30 I thought that guy on tmo was actually not knowing the situation and saying things, but he's a real troll. I hope that at least some members found some useful info in my posts and it wasn't an utter waste of breath. Somebody's gotta ban him. Jan 29 22:30:52 qwazix: oh, who? Jan 29 22:31:41 kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659&page=10 Jan 29 22:31:55 maybe its some old troll with a canned identity ? Jan 29 22:32:19 Joined on Aug 2010, most posts today Jan 29 22:32:50 That's not impossible Jan 29 22:33:00 also the verbiage reminds me of something Jan 29 22:33:24 weird, the other posts look quite sane Jan 29 22:33:33 though most trolls sound about the same. One post in three completely rational and others out of line Jan 29 22:33:43 other than to the outage thread Jan 29 22:33:54 chem|st: two requests already to ban piotr asshat Jan 29 22:33:55 yep Jan 29 22:35:56 btw is there a post limit or sth for uploading avatar on tmo? anybody knows? Jan 29 22:37:42 ok, seems none of nemein's or maemo's sysops/admins is active. I have to reboot that friggin FW before nobody can do it anymore Jan 29 22:38:07 go ahead and reboot it for now, IMO Jan 29 22:38:56 I'd really like to investigate a bit for some stinking values in some syslog or /sys/ or /proc/, but I have no clue about that stuff Jan 29 22:39:44 maybe you could tar /var/log altogether and somebody who knows will look at it when available? Jan 29 22:40:04 so I give it another reboot before I go afk again, I'm really not fit to deal with all that stuff anymore, need some time off. the last 3 weeks were too much Jan 29 22:40:21 and guys like piotr are just the icing on top Jan 29 22:40:51 DocScrutinizer05: the phrase "haters gonna hate" comes to mind Jan 29 22:41:15