**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:59 2013 Jan 30 03:34:47 FYI: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Introduction updated/augmented Jan 30 05:50:58 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jan 30 05:51:49 Psi: yw Jan 30 05:52:12 sorry I can't recall better details, somebody else here might know though Jan 30 05:52:54 there are some PA / gst plugins known to operate on DSP, others are just AP Jan 30 05:53:26 wait, I got one loosely related article for you... Jan 30 05:57:36 yay, sometimes it takes a while to locate the bookmark i'm searching for: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ Jan 30 05:59:10 ah, that link... Jan 30 06:08:49 iirc mafw doesn't do hardware-accelerated audio Jan 30 06:08:50 only video Jan 30 06:10:49 in the end who knows for sure Jan 30 06:12:01 though http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Audio_Subsystem says that usually all codecs run on AP, for avoiding overhead and latency of passing stuff to DSP Jan 30 06:12:35 which probably makes sense Jan 30 06:13:10 Psi: why is it important for you to know if the codec runs on hw or in sw? Jan 30 06:14:23 ...holy crap, that's a complicated setup Jan 30 06:15:37 anyway, i'd like dsp music playback - i don't care much about that kind of latency, and it would leave the cpu a bit more free for other tasks Jan 30 06:17:23 DocScrutinizer05: i want to setup upnp access to digital tv on my phone. But im not sure what to transcode the dvbt feed into Jan 30 06:18:08 it works if i use MPEG1 but that's not very good Jan 30 06:18:27 ooh damn, you're talking about video codecs Jan 30 06:18:45 ya Jan 30 06:18:50 :-) Jan 30 06:19:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Image_Codecs_and_Filters Jan 30 06:19:57 might wanna ask freemangordon too Jan 30 06:20:54 or rather http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Video_Codecs Jan 30 06:21:40 I think only h.263 (or 4?) baseline is supported Jan 30 06:22:12 what this means for your myriad of container formats... don't ask me Jan 30 06:23:06 yeah Jan 30 06:25:31 I think on wiki there are some articles about transcoding video for playback on N900. maybe search for "handbrake" iirc Jan 30 06:25:58 tmo might also have some threads about that topic Jan 30 06:26:07 Does anyone know if the maemo.org repos are down permanently? I haven't been able to access them at all for the last two days on my N900 Jan 30 06:26:19 Also, what's that about transcoding? Jan 30 06:26:20 ~repo-down Jan 30 06:26:20 i guess repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 Jan 30 06:26:48 huh? Jan 30 06:27:04 damn Jan 30 06:27:23 ~_default repo-down Jan 30 06:27:23 i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 Jan 30 06:28:04 ~#maemo repo-down is also http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 Jan 30 06:28:05 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jan 30 06:28:10 ~repo-down Jan 30 06:28:10 rumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 Jan 30 06:28:24 ~forget _default repo-down Jan 30 06:28:24 i didn't have anything called '_default repo-down' to forget, DocScrutinizer05 Jan 30 06:28:35 grrr Jan 30 06:28:44 ~forget repo-down Jan 30 06:28:45 i forgot repo-down, DocScrutinizer05 Jan 30 06:28:50 ~repo-down Jan 30 06:28:50 repo-down is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 Jan 30 06:29:00 ~literal repo-down Jan 30 06:29:00 "#maemo repo-down" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04" Jan 30 06:30:44 ~_default repo-down Jan 30 06:34:54 wow, nitachan been a visitor in a hurry, eh? Jan 30 06:36:29 ~mirrors Jan 30 06:36:29 i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 30 07:21:03 kerio: mafw uses playbin2, so it is up to gstreamer to decide which codec Jan 30 09:20:29 DocScrutinizer05: I am three monkeys! and th fsck I hate those lazy bstrds not reading a top posted visible everywhere notice on tmo... Jan 30 09:21:08 DocScrutinizer05: and who complains... having 2 out of 700 active users complain is fairly not enough Jan 30 09:21:25 hooh, what's up? Jan 30 09:21:47 I had sex till 5 slept 4 hours and had not enough coffee Jan 30 09:21:55 lol Jan 30 09:22:02 or do you mean those lazy basterds Jan 30 09:22:06 yep Jan 30 09:22:12 snow Jan 30 09:22:29 most real mail to webmaster is people not reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 Jan 30 09:23:57 set up an autoresponder "please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 and include first 3 words of first post to your mail subject, or otherwise... spam-folder, Thank you for your cooperation" Jan 30 09:23:59 DocScrutinizer05: would you mind and give me numbers on which posts I delete to have only valid info in this thread Jan 30 09:24:24 sure, no problem Jan 30 09:24:52 thedead1440: please update the starting post to become realy for dummies Jan 30 09:24:57 even I am confused Jan 30 09:25:32 starting post has to be a guide to __ONE__ Jan 30 09:25:36 chem|st: are you confused due to lack of sleep? Jan 30 09:25:43 not 3 mirrors pls Jan 30 09:26:02 ah you want me to remove the other 2; ok Jan 30 09:26:08 thedead1440: nope because I got my brain fucked out 4 hours ago... Jan 30 09:26:18 :-D Jan 30 09:26:23 thedead1440: make it realy for dummies Jan 30 09:27:49 having the first and second mirror not working properly the other day made things worse Jan 30 09:28:15 ping me when you are done, I will stick and lock it Jan 30 09:28:33 is sticked ok then I will lock it Jan 30 09:28:50 done ;) read it first Jan 30 09:29:13 you may provide a link to some webIRC with preset credentials to join #maemo Jan 30 09:30:30 done again Jan 30 09:31:04 nice ;) Jan 30 09:31:07 thedead1440: thanks! Jan 30 09:31:30 as you ask for reply I do not close it Jan 30 09:31:33 no probs :-) as it is you have another topic going to require your attention on TMO :D Jan 30 09:31:47 its better for all n00bs to post there instead of new threads Jan 30 09:31:59 chem|st: sorry, backward... 137-136, 134-114, (113?), 112-91 on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 Jan 30 09:32:24 ooh, i'm afraid you're talking about another thread Jan 30 09:33:40 DocScrutinizer05: and you may update your migration thread to have current status only I know people like a changelog but that is not needed here I think Jan 30 09:34:18 hmm, i'd rather stop the whole thread Jan 30 09:34:28 start a new one Jan 30 09:34:30 or he can keep the changelog chem|st and bold and underline the current status on the top of his post (don't make the old man delete things he'll hit you :p) Jan 30 09:34:34 better bring the official repos back online Jan 30 09:34:46 hehe Jan 30 09:34:54 because no tmo thread will ever solve the problem Jan 30 09:35:05 DocScrutinizer05: yeah... you might...not! Jan 30 09:35:25 RST38h: i ahppily hand over that duty to you Jan 30 09:35:28 good luck Jan 30 09:35:30 anticron like thedead1440 said latest first Jan 30 09:35:35 * DocScrutinizer05 away Jan 30 09:35:41 Doc: Can I also have a BFG-9000? Jan 30 09:36:24 * chem|st slaps RST38h with a wet trout coverd with tiny mirror pieces Jan 30 09:37:53 rather than bitching at me re repo which I / we CANT fix since it's Nemein's domain, you should enjoy lightning fast firewall since our new magician warfare touched it Jan 30 09:38:19 ...and swoooosh I'm gone again Jan 30 09:39:09 * RST38h once again hears "Nemein" in relation to things not working Jan 30 09:39:54 * RST38h has never heard "Nemein" in relation to anything properly working, in fact Jan 30 09:40:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure Jan 30 09:41:41 basically *everything* that works on *.m.o now is thanks to Nemein Jan 30 09:42:54 except FW and tmo where "we" helped" a bit (more) Jan 30 09:43:21 DocScrutinizer05: lol, FW is supposed to be ok now? Jan 30 09:43:25 nice Jan 30 09:43:56 it seems to behave since 11h, and the tweaks warfare did are plausible Jan 30 09:44:18 damn, it seems like it is ok, lets see how it will continue Jan 30 09:44:38 kudos to warfare :) Jan 30 09:44:48 are the repos back under normal names? Jan 30 09:44:51 alas i'm not able to start up repo.m.o VM Jan 30 09:45:04 DocScrutinizer05: we need nemein? Jan 30 09:45:19 to start that VM that is Jan 30 09:45:40 yes, Eero resp "the grid guy" are exposing repo to bypass FW - even when it might work with FW as well now Jan 30 09:45:51 yep Jan 30 09:46:04 what was it, too small conntrack table? Jan 30 09:46:29 and I have no access to the host, only to the VMs running on the host. So if a VM is "powered down" I can't stat it Jan 30 09:46:42 yeah :( Jan 30 09:46:51 too small conntrack and some other timeout and buffer size settings Jan 30 09:47:02 makes sense Jan 30 09:47:09 mompl Jan 30 09:47:33 echo 32768 > /sys/module/nf_conntrack/parameters/hashsize Jan 30 09:47:34 echo 256000 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_max Jan 30 09:47:36 echo 10 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait Jan 30 09:47:37 echo 10 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_unacknowledged Jan 30 09:47:39 echo 600 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established Jan 30 09:48:08 I see :) Jan 30 09:48:09 the latter 3 probably were insanely high Jan 30 09:48:32 and aiui hashsize been 16M Jan 30 09:48:46 maybe repos will make it through FW Jan 30 09:49:06 would, but the FW port forward got scrapped Jan 30 09:49:39 and the general IP/network config is already changed Jan 30 09:49:45 aah, ok Jan 30 09:50:04 well, once we have the full control, I guess that could be fixed Jan 30 09:50:10 [2013-01-28 10:41:00] ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured. Jan 30 09:50:58 I hope they will finish on that task today Jan 30 09:51:08 BTW is FW a box or VM? Jan 30 09:51:13 VM Jan 30 09:51:36 ok. thanks for the info :) Jan 30 09:51:41 yw Jan 30 09:51:56 * freemangordon is back to embedLite Jan 30 10:15:55 ;) Jan 30 10:17:44 :) Jan 30 10:19:06 ? Jan 30 10:19:16 infobot Jan 30 10:41:09 i know this might sound, insulting...to some extent. but when will this grim go away. Jan 30 10:42:22 ok Jan 30 10:46:15 romaxa: why github wants all 3 commits I did merged? I want only one(gstreamer). How to do that? Jan 30 10:51:52 this is stupid :( Jan 30 10:57:03 seems I have to create a separate branch for every commit I want merged. Madness :) Jan 30 10:59:47 ooh, it seems I can't remove that pull request either. how nice :mad: Jan 30 11:00:19 * freemangordon curses github Jan 30 11:02:51 freemangordon: you can just cherry-pick them, no? Jan 30 11:03:06 I don't quite see the problem. You're the merger, or the mergee? Jan 30 11:03:08 tadzik: sure, put that is not the point Jan 30 11:03:14 mergee Jan 30 11:03:33 I want my changes murged "upstream" Jan 30 11:03:38 ah, so you can't open a pull request for just one commit? Jan 30 11:03:55 is that what you mean? Jan 30 11:04:06 I was thinking github works in the same way as gitorious, on gitorious you create merge request with commits you want merged Jan 30 11:04:18 tadzik: yep Jan 30 11:04:25 on github you do pull requests on branches, yes Jan 30 11:04:34 "Please pull this branch into your master" Jan 30 11:04:43 this is madness Jan 30 11:04:49 well, is it Jan 30 11:05:07 and the worst thing is that I can;t withdraw that pull request in order to fix it :D Jan 30 11:05:08 doesn't Linux workflow go the same way, with people creating for-linus branches? Jan 30 11:05:17 You should be able to just close it Jan 30 11:05:24 or maybe only the merger can do that ;f Jan 30 11:05:29 I guess I can Jan 30 11:05:40 I have merger rigths Jan 30 11:07:57 ooh, I can't close it either Jan 30 11:08:33 I can merge it, but can't close it. fuck Jan 30 11:10:05 ahh...git, it seems you have another victim Jan 30 11:12:05 it is not git to blame, but github Jan 30 11:12:05 yeah, blame git Jan 30 11:12:12 no, why git? Jan 30 11:12:19 that was ironic Jan 30 11:12:24 aah :D Jan 30 11:13:36 it was linus who wrote git, right? Jan 30 11:13:59 yeah Jan 30 11:16:06 i remember watching a talk he did at google. he basicly trashed all other systems and declared that git is supreme. arogant, yet true. Jan 30 11:18:27 oooh, I managed to close it Jan 30 11:45:04 darcs is much, much better than git, though Jan 30 11:49:03 romaxa: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836243 Jan 30 11:49:06 04Bug 836243: was not found. Jan 30 13:12:21 ~botsnack Jan 30 13:12:21 :), DocScrutinizer51 Jan 30 13:46:37 warfare: ping Jan 30 13:58:18 Destination host unreachable :P Jan 30 14:33:33 DocScrutinizer51: pong Jan 30 14:34:22 warfare: false alarm. thedead1440 reported laggy firewall again, but my checks during last 5 min didn't show anything particularly bad Jan 30 14:34:36 'k :) Jan 30 14:36:21 ShadowX: just high latency. Jan 30 14:37:30 warfare: could you install a cronjob that checks every hour for either you or me logged in via ssh, and does a shutdown -r "now + 300s" if neither of us is? Jan 30 14:38:27 this way we would recover from complete lockup of IF after some 2 hours the latest Jan 30 14:39:04 a dead man's switch? neat Jan 30 14:40:02 DocScrutinizer05: the cron daemon on endian is strange (to be freindly} Jan 30 14:40:29 DocScrutinizer05: there is the watchdogd which i used to ping a servers router and if not reset the server, could that work for you too? Jan 30 14:41:00 cehteh: I'll have a look into that. Jan 30 14:41:35 the watchdogd can do a lot more and with hardware or kernel-software watchdog its really hard to lock a system up Jan 30 14:42:06 (but at worst you can go into a reboot loop when you configure something wrong and cant fix that in time, be careful :)) Jan 30 14:42:41 I know that from my wrap board ;) Jan 30 14:42:51 good :) Jan 30 14:44:28 warfare, i was just joking around :P i'm bored xD Jan 30 14:45:23 ShadowX: me too ;) At least the wireless seems to work for longer than 5 minutes. Jan 30 14:45:39 warfare: if crond is borked, use a while sleep 3600; do...; done Jan 30 14:46:05 hate wireless :P all those bits speeding around my head all the time :P Jan 30 14:46:35 anyway it seems the fw will make more trouble then help ...(if you'll need to reboot it every 2h when there's no one around in him) ....why not just remove it? Jan 30 14:47:16 because that's not our call Jan 30 14:47:33 it's still Nemein's sandbox Jan 30 14:47:40 Hah. :) good reason Jan 30 14:48:08 btw flushing and reloading the rules dosnt help? Jan 30 14:52:54 ShadowX: nfc, I'm a noob on that fw stuff, I have an idea about the theory at best Jan 30 14:53:11 kernel version? Jan 30 14:55:04 Can you pastebin - dmesg (when it starts making problems) and iptables --list-rules ? Jan 30 15:01:33 seen perioidical flushing and reloading of rules "solve" quite a few mysterious fw probs before, mostly with 2.6.x kernels Jan 30 15:02:11 mmm.... i think only one of them can be counted as 'mysterius' Jan 30 15:02:25 and it was fixed ....somewhere around 2.6.32 (i may be wrong about the version) Jan 30 15:02:45 well, generally speaking, probably not uptodate what's happening Jan 30 15:02:47 some tables was growing till fail :] Jan 30 15:03:24 yeah, vaque memory of something like that Jan 30 15:03:47 thank something have not had to touch that stuff in years :) Jan 30 15:03:58 Skry, no no my point was that every other problem (except ^) was pretty much not so mysterius ...it takes some time to find out why it happens the first time you see it , but iptables is a good boy and tells most of the stuff in the logs Jan 30 15:04:26 iptables - good puppy :D Jan 30 15:05:07 infinite snacks to iptables! Jan 30 15:05:20 :P Jan 30 15:06:28 that said, iptables+l7 filtering sucks.( Jan 30 15:33:48 Do you have monitoring for connection table? Jan 30 15:37:45 n900-dk: Yes. Someone upped tcp buffers to 16M, that could also have been an issue. Jan 30 15:39:06 so the 16M limit is reached after some time? Jan 30 15:41:29 No, every tcp connection to (not through) the firewall, takes up 16M of memory. Pair that with an ajaxy webfrontend and onlx 1G of memory -> boom. Jan 30 15:43:22 whoops - Is it possible to limit the number of connections per. source IP? Jan 30 15:45:45 y, but with some limitations. Jan 30 15:48:09 guess all this limiting was already given a shot.. Jan 30 16:17:25 Mem: 1030464k total, 346032k used, 684432k free, 96988k buffers Jan 30 16:18:23 been at 824444k free 6h ago Jan 30 16:18:38 qwazix: OMG, latest embedLite plays http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html with GL acceleration, at ~ 11 fps. Without my optimisations, lets see how it will be with them :) Jan 30 16:18:44 free ram is wasted ram, though Jan 30 16:18:47 maybe it's buffers? Jan 30 16:19:02 kerio: this is a FIREWALL Jan 30 16:19:12 wtf should it buffer? Jan 30 16:20:36 /dev/hda1 1.4G 439M 896M 33% / Jan 30 16:21:04 /dev/mapper/local-config 99M 4.6M 89M 5% /var/efw Jan 30 16:21:20 /dev/mapper/local-log 2.8G 115M 2.5G 5% /var/log Jan 30 16:21:27 any questions? Jan 30 16:25:11 somebody, dunno was it xes, khm, or wirr, mentioned full virtualization vs paravirtualization, and possible incompatibilities between the VMs NIC kernel driver and the hosts XEN NIC emulation Jan 30 16:26:01 afk, bbl Jan 30 16:26:54 but isn't there a configured limit for total number of connections in the endian fw? Or is it only limited by ram? Jan 30 16:37:41 Hi. I am facing some issue with kasvopus, whenever I run the program, it shows "error loading page". Wifi is working fine. While on the other n900 it is working very well. :S Jan 30 16:40:23 I have tried google but couldn't find the solution Jan 30 17:03:25 freemangordon: ping Jan 30 17:03:33 romaxa: pong Jan 30 17:04:26 freemangordon: I guess clipping still required, because for example if you add this code http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qpainter.html#beginNativePainting, as in example, then it will over-paint toolbar... Jan 30 17:05:02 freemangordon: also glClear need to be calculated properly in order to not overpaint toolbar context Jan 30 17:05:33 romaxa: I guess we can fix it by setting the correct rectangle to be composited on, now it always starts at 0,0 Jan 30 17:06:03 re glClear - yes, I think to enable GL_SCISSOR_TEST before glClear Jan 30 17:07:36 romaxa: BTW I found why QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL Jan 30 17:08:00 on fremantle you need to show() the widget for it to be created Jan 30 17:08:16 I guess it is the same on desktop, though I can;t test it Jan 30 17:10:31 freemangordon: ah ok... on desktop we don't do GL rendering because GLX provider does not know how to render into existing context Jan 30 17:10:52 romaxa: I was thinking to move if (QGLContext::currentContext()) {d->mContext->GetApp()->SetIsAccelerated(true); } from constructor to event(QEvent* event) and do the check in case QEvent::Show: Jan 30 17:11:04 romaxa: any objections? Jan 30 17:11:33 freemangordon: no objections Jan 30 17:12:38 romaxa: ok, will push to https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central directly, as I need that fixed in order to be able to make further pull requests Jan 30 17:13:18 freemangordon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2097612 - I tried this code, it works on portrait mode but not on landscape :)... need to do some debugging, if you can make function which render background color there would be nice Jan 30 17:14:18 freemangordon: you can push gsreamer changes Jan 30 17:14:48 romaxa: exactly the code I was thining of :D. however, I guess you need to swap width/heigth (and maybe x/y) Jan 30 17:15:06 romaxa: I did a pull request, you mean to merge it? Jan 30 17:15:21 (for gstreamer) Jan 30 17:16:08 freemangordon: I was hoping that QTransform mapping from painter would do that Jan 30 17:16:45 freemangordon: but I guess I need to take original not transformed view rectangle apply transform and do some magic Jan 30 17:17:28 yep Jan 30 17:18:14 freemangordon: need to go at work, btw, I guess it would make sense keep most of discussions on #embedlite channel regarding embedlite (irc.mozilla.org) Jan 30 17:18:36 romaxa: aah, ok, I was not aware of that channel, will join Jan 30 17:18:48 is it on freenode? Jan 30 17:18:57 scratch that :) Jan 30 18:54:09 this switchover downtime is killing me... heh... Jan 30 19:39:55 since repository.maemo.org is down, what's the easiest way to root my n900? Jan 30 19:41:07 ~mirror Jan 30 19:41:07 hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 30 19:43:38 I tried those mirrors and got the "Ignoring wrong version" problem... I saw a post to remove /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/domain.* but that needs root... Jan 30 19:48:56 eccerr0r: why do you need root? Jan 30 19:52:00 eccerr0r: the best way would be to install openssh from extras Jan 30 19:52:11 that'll prompt for a root password Jan 30 19:52:12 then ssh localhost Jan 30 19:52:17 then configure sudo as you wish Jan 30 19:54:56 I can't seem to sync the mirrors because of apparently invalid data in /var/lib/hildon-application/manager... Jan 30 19:56:11 since I can't sync... can't install openssh (which was the intent :) Jan 30 20:03:29 ~mirrors Jan 30 20:03:29 methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 30 20:06:55 any mirror for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php? skeiron repos don't seem to have flasher-3.5 :-( Jan 30 20:06:58 ? Jan 30 20:08:34 wirr: dammit, there was one Jan 30 20:08:52 eccerr0r: what repos do you have enabled right now? Jan 30 20:10:04 tried skeiron free and maemo-archive.wedrop.it free Jan 30 20:10:11 ...for what? Jan 30 20:10:18 fremantle ? Jan 30 20:10:19 list *all the repos* that you have enabled right now Jan 30 20:10:54 this is the issue I'm seeing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65687 Jan 30 20:12:35 eccerr0r: i am aware of the issue Jan 30 20:12:40 that's why i asked WHICH REPOS YOU HAVE ENABLED RIGHT NOW Jan 30 20:12:56 I'm new to this so I don't understand what you're asking for... Jan 30 20:13:10 "skeiron" can mean at least 20 different repos Jan 30 20:13:50 http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community ? Jan 30 20:14:27 yes Jan 30 20:14:29 that would be one repo Jan 30 20:14:45 do you have cssu installed right now? Jan 30 20:15:12 No. This is a fresh machine, has never been synced before Jan 30 20:15:21 then disable that repo *right now* Jan 30 20:15:47 you probably meant http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free Jan 30 20:16:15 ahh okay. Jan 30 20:17:00 anyway, deleting the domain information won't help with the *new* domain info that ham creates whenever you install or upgrade something Jan 30 20:17:22 to permanently nullify that, enable HAM's redpill mode and disable "ignore packages with wrong domain" Jan 30 20:19:34 @wirr: skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ Jan 30 20:20:04 cool, that looks better now. I haven't really used debian-line linuxes at all, really need to look into this some more. Jan 30 20:20:35 i guess this is what you are looking for: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ Jan 30 20:21:07 if you know your way around linux, i strongly advise against not using HAM except for the system upgrades (and even then...) and only use apt-get, it's much faster Jan 30 20:21:16 if you know your way around linux and are prepared, that is Jan 30 20:21:23 being prepared = having a backup Jan 30 20:21:28 so install backupmenu! Jan 30 20:21:31 it's good! Jan 30 20:21:48 brkn: thanks, but unfortunately not: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/d3/ only up to v3.0 Jan 30 20:22:05 wirr: D: Jan 30 20:22:13 brkn, oh, sorry, didn't see the second link your posted Jan 30 20:22:16 perfect! Jan 30 20:22:18 well, isn't 3.5 the one for the n900? Jan 30 20:22:21 oh Jan 30 20:23:10 wirr: basically everything should be there Jan 30 20:23:11 eccerr0r: disclaimer - by entering redpill mode, you swear to not complain when ALL YO SHIT A SPLODE or perhaps something minor stops working until you fudge with it a bit Jan 30 20:23:23 structure is 1:1 what has been on tablets-dev.nokia.com Jan 30 20:23:35 brkn: yep seems complete Jan 30 20:23:40 heh. thanks for the warning. Jan 30 20:23:42 oh and check md5 if you don't trust the files Jan 30 20:23:48 eccerr0r: but seriously, make backups Jan 30 20:23:49 don't know why i ran into a dead link at first Jan 30 20:23:54 but hey, it's computers Jan 30 20:23:57 ;-) Jan 30 20:24:10 or me Jan 30 20:24:15 eccerr0r: install "backupmenu" Jan 30 20:24:41 yeah, there's tons of stuff I need to install :D Jan 30 20:24:58 anyone, do you disable extras-testing and extras-devel when running on cssu-thumb? Jan 30 20:25:05 wirr: of course not Jan 30 20:25:20 well, i disable extras-testing Jan 30 20:25:29 because extras-devel is a superset, and it would be a waste of resources Jan 30 20:26:05 kerio, makes sense Jan 30 20:27:23 was just wondering if older, but thumb-compiled releases from cssu-thumb could get upgraded to newer non-thumb binaries from extras-devel Jan 30 20:27:44 or do you use apt-pinning to prevent that? Jan 30 20:28:02 wirr: the only candidate for that would be busybox-power Jan 30 20:28:23 or fennec, if someone decided to update the fennec in extras-devel Jan 30 20:28:42 hmm... need to find a microsd card... Jan 30 20:28:47 some of the other packages are in "competition" with cssu-testing though, considering cssu-thumb's status as an addon Jan 30 20:29:14 so between cssu-testing's update and cssu-thumb's update there's a window of time in which you'd upgrade to a non-thumb package from a thumb package Jan 30 20:29:29 unless you've disabled the HAM domain check, HAM won't let you do that Jan 30 20:29:37 i don't use ham Jan 30 20:29:40 and i pin cssu-thumb at 600 priority via /etc/apt/preferences Jan 30 20:30:09 yep, sounds like the only sane way of having all those repos enabled at the same time Jan 30 20:30:16 fsckers Repo notice on TMO is now PERSISTANT! Jan 30 20:30:45 wirr: "Package: *" "Pin: release a=community-thumb" "Pin-Priority: 600" in three consecutive lines Jan 30 20:32:34 wirr: also, might want to update, set the priority to 1600 and see what you're prompted to downgrade by apt-get upgrade Jan 30 20:32:47 (over 1000, and apt-get will actively try to downgrade) Jan 30 20:33:10 (so don't keep it at 1600, just do a check to see if something should be downgraded and why) Jan 30 20:35:08 that's a good hint.. let me check that Jan 30 20:37:50 eccerr0r: backupmenu lets you backup on the internal vfat partition Jan 30 20:38:14 kerio, for extras-devel I have to use "l=extras-devel" instead of "a=extras-devel", right? Jan 30 20:38:26 wirr: why do you want to pin extras-devel? :o Jan 30 20:39:12 on my debian box i usually explicitly list all suites... extras-devel would get a lower prio, of course Jan 30 20:39:29 wirr: Suite: is still a= Jan 30 20:39:36 btw, use extras-devel-light :) Jan 30 20:39:54 http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free Jan 30 20:39:55 yep, but for Extras-devel: Suite is fremantle... "devel" is just in the label Jan 30 20:39:58 it supports pdiffs Jan 30 20:40:05 wirr: then it's l= i suppose Jan 30 20:40:25 i'm using merlin's extras-devel, and it's Suite: Extras-devel-light Jan 30 20:40:40 but really, why? i'd keep extras-devel as the default Jan 30 20:40:45 and increase cssu/nokia ssu maybe Jan 30 20:40:49 actually, that's what I'm using :-) Jan 30 20:40:57 nokia ssu? you really expect updates from there? Jan 30 20:41:10 you're the one worried about packages overwriting each other Jan 30 20:41:18 certainly it should be at a higher priority than extras Jan 30 20:41:44 alright, alright, i agree :-) Jan 30 20:42:12 i just upgrade everything from extras-devel, cssu-devel, cssu-thumb and cssu-testing Jan 30 20:42:45 it's not a bleeding edge, it's not even grown yet Jan 30 20:43:36 :) but... usable? Jan 30 20:43:50 it's not for the faint at heart Jan 30 20:43:54 but meh Jan 30 20:44:36 i've been realising that i spend more time on tweaking flashing tinkering that device than actually _using_ it... Jan 30 20:44:51 what do you mean by "using" it? Jan 30 20:45:22 tinkering is certainly using Jan 30 20:45:55 wirr: right now, cssu-devel would make me downgrade 38 packages, and only upgrade 5 Jan 30 20:47:33 kerio, using as in writing emails, surfing the web, maybe even make a phone call Jan 30 20:47:43 phone calls? the n900 can do that? :O Jan 30 20:47:55 you discover something new every day! Jan 30 20:47:55 :-) actually I don't have a sim Jan 30 20:58:14 kerio, actually you're right: no downgrades proposed even with cssu-thumb at 1600 - not even busybox-power Jan 30 20:58:27 yeah, the latest version is thumbified Jan 30 21:54:16 where should I report OS issues which doesn't stem from cssu? Jan 30 21:55:05 it's kind of minor Jan 30 21:55:11 what is it? Jan 30 21:56:11