**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 31 02:59:58 2013 Jan 31 03:30:02 hello i'm trying to use the skeiron extras mirror 3 repo but i'm getting a "sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" error Jan 31 03:30:13 somebody can help? Jan 31 03:30:30 man gzio Jan 31 03:30:34 gzip Jan 31 03:30:41 what's error code 1 Jan 31 03:30:52 possibly file corrupt Jan 31 03:33:05 i can't find a list of gzip errors in the man page Jan 31 03:34:03 but doing the update again i get the same error Jan 31 03:34:48 i just flashed my nokia n900 and i need rootsh Jan 31 03:34:55 bad timing i guess... Jan 31 03:36:35 for everybody else the repos works fine? Jan 31 03:42:17 on reflection Jan 31 03:42:31 it's quite possible the repos are having an issue right now Jan 31 03:43:18 I'd have to get out of bed to check, and ... Jan 31 03:43:21 night Jan 31 03:44:58 mmh than i guess i'll just wait Jan 31 03:45:24 i should get some sleep too,it' almost 5 in the morning here... Jan 31 04:25:56 (recommended apps) I'm smelling loooong discussions what's indispensable for daily usage and what's geek shit. How about a list of *deprecated* apps instead? Jan 31 04:26:15 I already know two: powerpatch, speedpatch Jan 31 04:28:18 and honestly, any such list (recommended) is always *personal* (recommended by *whom*), and accordingly it should get represented on wiki Jan 31 04:28:23 ~jrtools Jan 31 04:28:23 methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 31 04:30:38 a "public" and "official" wikipage always aiming for the one and only truth, and everybody will vandalize it to correct the "obvious errors" when it comes to something as individual as a list of most useful apps Jan 31 04:32:14 hey, if I wanna know which app most users think is useful, I go to ~packages and check for top of download-hitlist Jan 31 04:33:10 if I wanna know which apps wirr thinks are most useful, I go to Users:wirr Jan 31 04:35:05 please don't start such dogfight topic on a "official website", since it's not really backed up by anything or anybody. Nobody elected for those apps in any proper election, nobody appointed the editors of such page as being the ultimate experts either Jan 31 04:36:25 what do you expect the BlessN900 devels to do when you place fcam on that page? Jan 31 04:36:33 this will NOT end good Jan 31 04:37:03 ends in a lot of bickering and fights, and nobody benefiting from it in the end Jan 31 04:41:56 and I'm not even starting with more basic questions like "is busybox a good or a silly app in sense of unix spirit?" Jan 31 04:42:12 ~messybox Jan 31 04:42:12 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Jan 31 04:43:26 unix way is to have lots of small specialized though general purpose tools that you compine to your liking. Monolithic blobs like busybox are the windows way to implement things Jan 31 04:44:28 and since ls is still buggy in busybox power, we gonna invent my-acme-ls and ship that package as well then? Jan 31 04:45:08 since no sane devel interested in fixin ls will look into busybox power to do so Jan 31 04:47:10 that's a straight highway into windows hell Jan 31 04:52:14 wirr: pretty please use a filemanager and have a look into your hildon-backup files, you'll find an extremely convenient and ready-made way to deploy package/app-sets. I suggested several times somebody to simply make such a backup file with his favourite apps and deploy it for other users Jan 31 04:53:45 you're aware that hildon-backup only stores a *list of apps* to re-install on restore, it does NOT store the app binaries Jan 31 04:54:34 and, as icing on top, user can deselect particular apps during restore, so they won't get installed Jan 31 04:55:36 the only way in HAM to first select/deselect on a huge number of packages and then run the whole batch for unattended installation Jan 31 04:56:43 once such a "package" been built and published under "wirr's favorites", you bet a week later there will be a clone "kerio's favorites" Jan 31 04:56:54 or whomever it may tickle Jan 31 04:57:30 and eventually we even might come up with "cssu recommended" Jan 31 04:58:29 and I bet somebody will create "2012 most wanted" Jan 31 04:59:00 or "the spy collection", you name it Jan 31 05:04:27 hi i just got myself a N900, its currently charging up... :D where can i read about upgrading its software to the latest maemo, also i want to do some development so I want to root the device and run linux stuff on it... where can i find the howtos? Jan 31 05:04:49 haha Jan 31 05:04:54 welcome damo22 Jan 31 05:05:06 ty Jan 31 05:05:59 1st: your N900 doesn't need any "rooting", it's already open, just missing a small package called rootsh you need to install to get the commands "root" and "sudo gainroot" Jan 31 05:06:14 cool Jan 31 05:06:36 runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account2 generally Jan 31 05:06:42 runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account" generally Jan 31 05:07:00 yeah, but i want root on my own phone :D Jan 31 05:07:02 * freemangordon thinks n900 runs "linux stuff" all the time :) Jan 31 05:08:26 this is so cool :D Jan 31 05:08:30 you can install all the wealth of gnu-utils readily. And you can run all stuff like ls and ps and mc and whatever "unix stuff" you can think of, without rootsh, just some of those my need root permissions to do what you want them to do. I'm sure you're aware of this basic concept Jan 31 05:09:19 yeah, i do a bit of kernel stuff i think i know my way around *nix :) Jan 31 05:09:54 damo22: for allowing "root" and "sudo gainroot commands" open http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb in microb Jan 31 05:09:56 damo22: alas you picked a very poor point in time to start with your exciting maemo adventures, since due to migration away from Nokia and towards 100% community driven, some of the resources are... flawed Jan 31 05:10:11 that one too :) Jan 31 05:10:12 but it will be fun to play with a fully fledged system that is my own phone Jan 31 05:10:33 you bet it is Jan 31 05:10:56 I'm enjoying this fun since 4 (?) years now and will never give up on it Jan 31 05:11:07 is it possible to use the small usb port as a host controller? Jan 31 05:11:16 "from my dead cold haaaaands!" Jan 31 05:11:27 damo22: you bet it is Jan 31 05:11:32 wowww Jan 31 05:11:38 yes, I made that possible, see H-E-N Jan 31 05:11:45 hehe Jan 31 05:12:05 how much power can i draw from the usb port Jan 31 05:12:10 safely Jan 31 05:12:10 200mA Jan 31 05:12:21 k Jan 31 05:12:37 DocScrutinizer05: current protection kicks in above that, ain;t? Jan 31 05:12:46 yup Jan 31 05:12:57 EOVERCURRENT Jan 31 05:13:04 cut out Jan 31 05:13:30 i was thinking of making a fully fledged audio recording device Jan 31 05:13:37 using external usb sound card Jan 31 05:13:39 GOOOD Jan 31 05:13:51 I'm actually interested in that Jan 31 05:14:01 damo22: there is a thread on talk.maemo.org about that Jan 31 05:14:07 i already wrote a kernel alsa driver quirk for this card Jan 31 05:14:20 its made by digidesign Jan 31 05:14:36 cool Jan 31 05:14:38 damo22: I guess you want to install kernel-power Jan 31 05:15:15 yeah damo22, you're speakeing with one of the two guys you need to know and make friens, for your project: freemangordon Jan 31 05:15:29 pali is the other guy and main maintainer of powerkernel Jan 31 05:15:33 sweet! Jan 31 05:16:09 and for USB stuff, ping me or pali ;-) Jan 31 05:16:15 damo22: being a kernel hacker, there is a piece of HW which sits unused in n900. A programmable filter that is Jan 31 05:16:29 ? Jan 31 05:16:40 programmable filter? Jan 31 05:16:47 as in audio filter? Jan 31 05:16:58 yes. there is a patch which enables it, but unfortunately it is incomplete Jan 31 05:16:59 ohnoes, please not "the digital filter in codec: sequel #4" Jan 31 05:17:31 DocScrutinizer05: I am talking about HW audio filter Jan 31 05:17:45 or actually, go ahead Jan 31 05:17:46 well ive already written some digital filters using biquad stuff but its cpu driven Jan 31 05:18:10 freemangordon: that's the digital parametric filter in codec I spoke of Jan 31 05:18:25 there are actually two of them Jan 31 05:18:29 damo22: the patch needs filtering bands calculated, otherwise it is functional aiui Jan 31 05:18:47 one full parametric one, plus an emphasis one Jan 31 05:18:53 ooo Jan 31 05:19:00 DocScrutinizer05: aah, ok. still having my first coffee, you know :) Jan 31 05:19:19 DocScrutinizer05: two of them? Jan 31 05:19:22 this could be fun Jan 31 05:19:23 yes Jan 31 05:19:37 HW audio filtering Jan 31 05:19:56 via alsa? Jan 31 05:20:10 damo22: now it is PA plugin which does highpass filtering ( speaker protection) Jan 31 05:20:35 damo22: I guiess there is no als plugin for that Jan 31 05:20:39 *alsa Jan 31 05:20:44 http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt Jan 31 05:20:55 i know that musicdsp site Jan 31 05:21:09 we implemented it in Calf plugins Jan 31 05:21:55 i made a phono RIAA filter using bilinear transform too Jan 31 05:22:01 that was fun Jan 31 05:22:14 yeah, that's what the de-emphasis filter is for Jan 31 05:22:38 the smaller one of the two (if I'm not completely making that up now) Jan 31 05:23:12 so youre saying that the N900 has a hardware codec that can do filtering but the coefficients arent calculated yet? Jan 31 05:23:23 yes Jan 31 05:23:39 what kind of curve do we need Jan 31 05:23:48 that's the question Jan 31 05:23:59 where things came to a grinding halt Jan 31 05:24:01 ;-) Jan 31 05:24:08 ahhh Jan 31 05:24:13 since evrybody wanted a graphic EQ Jan 31 05:24:20 well you probably dont need that Jan 31 05:24:30 and that's wirtually impossible with that stuff Jan 31 05:25:09 not really, i made a calculation tool that generates coefficients on the fly from analog parameters Jan 31 05:25:20 cooool Jan 31 05:25:33 yo da man Jan 31 05:26:05 damo22: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.diff;h=962061affdbff324d640a6edf3b5fd17889b74e7;hb=HEAD Jan 31 05:26:10 here is the patch Jan 31 05:26:11 but we didnt end up using it, because someone else already implemented it before in Calf plugins Jan 31 05:26:15 i *think* we already have access to the coefficients Jan 31 05:26:39 its a C++ class called biquad Jan 31 05:26:55 sounds familiar Jan 31 05:27:08 ooh, "The filter can be controlled through an alsa hwdep device, via" Jan 31 05:27:11 ... Jan 31 05:27:24 freemangordon: toldya Jan 31 05:27:34 nice Jan 31 05:27:43 i *think* we already have access to the coefficients Jan 31 05:28:00 just hex number desert Jan 31 05:28:07 somewhere Jan 31 05:28:16 so, what we need, correct algo for coeffs and gstreamer plugin? Jan 31 05:28:24 yep Jan 31 05:28:30 nice Jan 31 05:28:36 afaik Jan 31 05:28:49 it's years ago since I last touched that stuff Jan 31 05:28:56 DocScrutinizer05: this is on output only, isn't it? Jan 31 05:29:08 hey cool, i can see how i can put my code in there Jan 31 05:29:08 err, probably yes Jan 31 05:29:25 but i dont know how to make the coefficients configurable Jan 31 05:29:37 see aic34(?) datasheet, and N900 schematics Jan 31 05:30:57 for example, i could add something in there that converts "#define LP_FC 200" into a set of coefficients for a lowpass filter at 200 Hz Jan 31 05:31:28 but how would anyone change the value Jan 31 05:31:36 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/ see docs/hw/tlv320aic34.pdf Jan 31 05:31:48 never post complete URL! Jan 31 05:32:02 okay Jan 31 05:32:02 anywhere Jan 31 05:32:36 damo22: did you look at the patch? Jan 31 05:32:45 freemangordon: yeah i had a glance Jan 31 05:33:09 "Added functions to manipulate the filter's coeffs and enable/disable it,..." Jan 31 05:33:19 oh geez Jan 31 05:33:28 "hwdep device called "IIR Filter" added, documentation on how to use it..." Jan 31 05:34:17 oh, there is matlab code there :D Jan 31 05:34:38 to draw the freq responce Jan 31 05:36:13 In addition to the de-emphasis filter block, the DAC digital effects processing includes a fourth-order digital IIR filter with programmable coefficients (one set per channel). This filter is implemented as a cascade of two biquad sections with frequency response given by: Jan 31 05:36:45 Nx= numerator_x Dx = denominator_x Jan 31 05:37:17 * freemangordon wonders if this can be used as an eq Jan 31 05:37:39 well page 38 of tlv320aic34.pdf looks a tiny bit more *cough* Jan 31 05:37:40 it can be used as an eq Jan 31 05:37:53 how may bands? Jan 31 05:38:17 freemangordon: a parametric EQ has no bands Jan 31 05:38:40 but do we have enough params for, lets say, 10 bands? Jan 31 05:38:50 and a biquad IIR is not even a parametric EQ even Jan 31 05:39:06 a biquad IIR doesnt work too well with bass frequencies Jan 31 05:39:41 if you try to use it in a narrow band Jan 31 05:40:10 anyway, gtg, damo22, have fun with that :) Jan 31 05:40:13 freemangordon: how many bands has y=a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3+a4*x^4 ? Jan 31 05:40:16 ty Jan 31 05:40:44 its more like it can have up to 3 kinks Jan 31 05:40:46 DocScrutinizer05: hard to say, but I guess it can't be used as an EQ. Jan 31 05:41:05 this looks like a smooth function Jan 31 05:41:14 that's the point of a parametric or biquad Jan 31 05:41:19 IIR Jan 31 05:41:23 no EQ then Jan 31 05:41:25 its a polynomial quotient Jan 31 05:41:29 yep Jan 31 05:41:35 anyway, bye for now Jan 31 05:42:03 cya Jan 31 05:44:06 DocScrutinizer05: what is the benefit of the filter in hardware? would it not be more useful as a filter to protect the speakers Jan 31 05:44:25 rather than being used as an eq Jan 31 05:45:59 ie, just set a steep highpass at 20Hz and lowpass at 20kHz? Jan 31 05:46:39 sure Jan 31 05:46:40 set and forget Jan 31 05:47:00 and aiui Nokia is already using it that way Jan 31 05:47:21 :) Jan 31 05:47:24 parameters for that stuff are even on kernel's boot cmdline Jan 31 05:47:28 afaik Jan 31 05:47:37 cool Jan 31 05:48:22 take the last staement with more than one grain of salt, I only know there's "something2 on kernel cmdline related to audio Jan 31 05:48:30 :) Jan 31 05:49:03 btw 20Hz for highpass is a lot for those small speakers Jan 31 05:49:13 more like 50Hz Jan 31 05:49:19 okay Jan 31 05:49:24 maybe even 100 Jan 31 05:49:54 Nokia killed lots of speakers on their preprod protos, with that stuff ;-P Jan 31 05:49:59 so is audio currently destroying peoples speakers?> Jan 31 05:50:08 lol Jan 31 05:50:17 device has a class-D amp with no proper DC-blocking X-P Jan 31 05:50:18 * RST38h yawns Jan 31 05:50:29 hahah Jan 31 05:51:27 damo22: nope, now we got XPROT, some closed blob Nokia proprietary PA plugin Jan 31 05:51:51 aww Jan 31 05:51:58 does dynamic limiting / compression and some filtering, so the gossip Jan 31 05:52:24 kick it out and mess with ALSA dieectly and your speekers are at peril Jan 31 05:52:41 i dont really mind about that, i want to attach external sound card Jan 31 05:52:55 * DocScrutinizer05 glances at his spare speakers Jan 31 05:53:38 afaik XPROT only is in the audio pipe for speakers, not though for any other audio sink Jan 31 05:53:40 but my sound card draws 500mA Jan 31 05:53:47 eeek Jan 31 05:54:05 so i will need to power it externally Jan 31 05:54:12 :nod: Jan 31 05:54:30 Y-cable, external power plug on device, or popwered USB hub Jan 31 05:54:53 ycable would be nice Jan 31 05:55:06 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders when coffee will kick in and if that will help for typos Jan 31 05:55:23 i can get a ycable online? Jan 31 05:55:32 easy Jan 31 05:55:46 used for each >2.5" drive Jan 31 05:56:01 k Jan 31 05:56:01 there's zillion Jan 31 05:56:46 two USB-M plugs, one USB-F or mini/micro-USB-M Jan 31 05:57:15 lemme find my awesome picture for you Jan 31 05:57:51 how cool would it be to have 2 matched studio microphones hooked up to my N900 recording audio to the microSD Jan 31 05:59:13 anyway here's already the augmented booston script that gives you indications of overcurrent etc, sorry for the show effects I built in ;-P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1023402#post1023402 Jan 31 06:00:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203&highlight=Y-cable#post921203 Jan 31 06:01:28 dang, the externally stored pics are a PITA. OVI fileshare vanished, so did the photo in there Jan 31 06:03:33 awesome... any idea if i can get a sim card adapter for microsim -> ordinary sim Jan 31 06:03:35 damo22: you also might want to learn about Jan 31 06:03:37 ~cssu Jan 31 06:03:37 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jan 31 06:04:01 i am selling my iphone lol Jan 31 06:04:24 those sim card adapters are rather common nowadays, never use them in slot-in SIM holders though Jan 31 06:04:33 luckily N900 has no slot-in Jan 31 06:04:42 sweet Jan 31 06:05:57 stuff like http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is no news to you, I hope Jan 31 06:07:03 and, dunno if I already mentioned it, this page has some useful info, according to other users: Jan 31 06:07:07 ~jr-tools Jan 31 06:07:08 jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 31 06:07:39 NEVER do apt-get dist-upgrade! Jan 31 06:07:47 lol ok Jan 31 06:07:49 NEVER do apt-get autoremove Jan 31 06:08:08 maemo is "different" Jan 31 06:08:35 right ok Jan 31 06:10:12 ATM the standard repos are down, due to Nokia hitting the sack Jan 31 06:10:37 so you either find your way around, or you wait for things to return to normal state Jan 31 06:10:46 ~mirrors Jan 31 06:10:46 it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Jan 31 06:10:50 thanks Jan 31 06:10:52 ~repo-down Jan 31 06:10:52 i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 Jan 31 06:11:04 very useful info!! Jan 31 06:11:42 I think just enough stuff to read for your first day on N900 :-) Jan 31 06:12:10 ample Jan 31 06:13:32 consider to donate! ;-) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222 Jan 31 06:15:39 i will donate now, you already gave me a lot of help Jan 31 06:21:26 hey, the donation isn't for me and my help, it's for keeping your infra alive :-) Jan 31 06:21:38 well i donated Jan 31 06:22:14 all of the above links wouldn't be sustainable without community donors Jan 31 06:22:30 yeah Jan 31 06:22:34 understood Jan 31 06:24:29 thanks Doc i gtg now Jan 31 06:27:27 cya Jan 31 06:29:17 (not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donor their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only Jan 31 06:30:03 s/donor/donate/ Jan 31 06:30:05 DocScrutinizer05 meant: (not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donate their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only Jan 31 06:56:11 ok, quite exactly 12h of 'idle' online via 3G, with xchat logged in to some 14 channels Jan 31 06:56:42 not bad a battery standby time, eh? Jan 31 06:57:12 actually I hardly can believe it Jan 31 06:58:14 just thought "uh? what a sound? OMG I forgot to plug n900 to charger last evening" Jan 31 07:00:06 left home 12:20 ago for shopping, and switched to 3G to have a short look at maps. since then it been idling like that, since I disabled auto-switch-to-WLAN yesterday and thus it stayed on 3G even when I came back home Jan 31 07:59:58 DocScrutinizer05: enough with the "don't do autoremove", cssu-enabler fixes that Jan 31 08:01:09 every package listed as a dependency in the nokia metapackage is marked as manually installed Jan 31 08:01:24 (ty Pali) Jan 31 08:11:48 kerio: wtf is cssu-enabler ;-P Jan 31 08:15:34 hey, I have a problem with the alarm clock. The alarm has no sound :( Jan 31 08:15:44 : one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior Jan 31 08:15:59 ropeu: check the volume levels for it Jan 31 08:16:00 (fremantle cssu, n900) Jan 31 08:16:11 DocScrutinizer05: i think that the definition of enabler fits perfectly Jan 31 08:17:29 where can I check the volume? normally the alarm always and there is no alarm in nomal profile with sound Jan 31 08:19:29 ropeu: hm, you're quite correct Jan 31 08:19:39 ropeu: which cssu? Jan 31 08:22:22 ...dammit! Jan 31 08:32:22 i was about to make him pastebin the output of profileclient -v, for the record, and check clock.alarm.enabled Jan 31 08:32:31 (literally for the record) Jan 31 08:41:38 when I got a script A that's doing >>B&<<, and I call ssh foo@bar A; what need I to do in B to make ssh A terminate instantly? Jan 31 08:42:34 I gather the question is: how do I deamonize B ? Jan 31 08:42:50 so it's detached from parent A Jan 31 08:43:23 since otherwise ssh doesn't return until B terminates Jan 31 08:43:42 or am I completely wrong? Jan 31 08:44:17 daemons aren't just put in background Jan 31 08:44:29 they disconnect stdin/stdout/stderr and ignore hangup Jan 31 08:44:40 might "exec &>/dev/null aaah ignore sighup Jan 31 08:45:02 thaaaanks Jan 31 08:45:06 so... nohup, probably Jan 31 08:45:16 meh, I hate nohup Jan 31 08:45:33 apparently you can double & Jan 31 08:45:38 like (B &) & Jan 31 08:45:49 so B detaches from the tty Jan 31 08:45:56 it does? Jan 31 08:46:06 it's a tip from linux-mag, iunno Jan 31 08:46:07 test it Jan 31 08:46:24 still working on your dead man's switch? Jan 31 08:46:36 that's a funny thing with testing, this is a live system, your maemo fw ;-) Jan 31 08:46:47 clearly you shouldn't call "reboot" then Jan 31 08:46:52 call "echo penis" Jan 31 08:47:26 o.O Jan 31 08:47:35 echo &>dev/null ? Jan 31 08:47:50 call mkdir ~doc/rebooted Jan 31 08:47:55 or touch ~doc/rebooted Jan 31 08:48:33 meh, I'll go with orthodox trap "" sighup; Jan 31 08:48:52 and exec &>/dev/null hm, is outputting to devnull the same as closing? Jan 31 08:50:06 err not exactly Jan 31 08:50:36 I seem to recall exec semantics also included closing of stdin stdout stderr Jan 31 08:50:55 forgot how to do that Jan 31 08:52:27 exec - execute commands and open, close, or copy file descriptors - thanks posix manpage Jan 31 08:54:29 exec >&0 2>&0 <&0 Jan 31 08:54:38 could have figured Jan 31 08:55:04 isn't <&0 implied? :o Jan 31 08:55:19 implied in what? Jan 31 08:55:26 isn't 0 stdin? Jan 31 08:55:45 err, you might be right there, yeah Jan 31 08:56:19 dang, I need more coffee Jan 31 08:56:29 exec >&- 2>&- <&- Jan 31 09:05:59 DocScrutinizer05: you'll love this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1319363&postcount=1 User wants a multiboot with cssu and PwnPhone :D :D Jan 31 09:06:14 oh god why Jan 31 09:06:23 yes, it's doable Jan 31 09:06:35 I'll ask him if he wants pink ponies too Jan 31 09:06:43 but if you're the kind of person who'd use pwnphone, you're not good enough Jan 31 09:08:15 pink pwnie Jan 31 09:08:16 hehe Jan 31 09:08:37 Anyone with a N810 please help on instructions of how to add temp mirror: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88870 Jan 31 09:08:46 omg Jan 31 09:08:50 nfc Jan 31 09:08:55 and i have 2 Jan 31 09:09:06 * thedead1440 thought those holding on to N810s wouldn't have such issues Jan 31 09:09:38 I was strictly dumbass user on N810 Jan 31 09:10:00 well you aren't now so you can help him out :D Jan 31 09:10:15 no clue about maemo4 though Jan 31 09:10:19 ask ShadowJK Jan 31 09:12:13 how to fix n810: sell n810, buy n900 Jan 31 09:17:24 oops, wall is nasty Jan 31 09:17:37 hehe Jan 31 09:18:02 I entered panic mode on fw, since my *local* tests spammed the ssh screen with "warning! rebooting in 5min" Jan 31 09:18:43 lol Jan 31 09:18:52 :D Jan 31 09:20:40 jr@halebop:~> ssh newtmo ssh root@fw ./reboot1 Jan 31 09:20:41 reboot2: no process killed Jan 31 09:20:43 jr@halebop:~> Jan 31 09:20:47 that's the way I like it Jan 31 09:21:16 haha Jan 31 09:21:27 DocScrutinizer05: don't chain sshs :( Jan 31 09:21:54 kerio: why not? Jan 31 09:22:08 because the data from fw to halebop is also decrypted on newtmo Jan 31 09:22:20 sure Jan 31 09:22:22 extra security risk, extra used cpu Jan 31 09:22:35 ok no, there's no extra used cpu Jan 31 09:22:41 but it's a risk!1!1 Jan 31 09:22:48 :shrug: any other idea how to reach 10.0.0.8 behind the fw? Jan 31 09:23:24 ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw Jan 31 09:23:39 (ideally you'd put that in your .ssh/config Jan 31 09:23:44 meh Jan 31 09:24:20 Host fw/HostName fw/User root/ProxyCommand ssh newtmo nc %h %p Jan 31 09:24:27 and then ssh fw Jan 31 09:24:39 ssh config is fucking sweet Jan 31 09:25:00 I'm rather happy to have *any* access to that friggin fw, after fussing around with .ssh permissions and ssh-agent and whatnot Jan 31 09:25:53 I still can't access fw from newly started xterm instances, only from a 6 weeks old one Jan 31 09:26:05 ...wat Jan 31 09:26:34 DocScrutinizer05: just copy your id_rsa.pub in .ssh/authorized_keys Jan 31 09:26:40 we have a most incredible fw :-/ Jan 31 09:27:27 kerio: yeah, and then wonder wtf one of my xterms allows acces to machine A, B, and C, while the other one only allows access to A and C Jan 31 09:27:52 DocScrutinizer05: do you have a separate identity file for the fw? Jan 31 09:28:01 no Jan 31 09:28:14 just a new general purpose rsa key Jan 31 09:28:14 oh, actually Jan 31 09:28:23 why do you have to pass through newtmo? Jan 31 09:28:36 because Jan 31 09:28:49 it's an issue of agent key passthrough Jan 31 09:29:13 which is something that was made up for people who don't properly proxy their ssh connections, and instead do ssh newtmo ssh root@fw Jan 31 09:29:32 ( >:c ) Jan 31 09:30:01 DocScrutinizer05: try ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw in a new xterm Jan 31 09:30:06 dang, I never had a need for that before I touched this maemo FW a few days ago Jan 31 09:31:20 the nested ssh is ran by doc@newtmo, you can't expect *that* to have keys to the firewall Jan 31 09:31:25 what exactly is happening to the fw? vm goes down? Jan 31 09:31:30 kerio: you're my hero of the day :-) Jan 31 09:31:45 if you have a properly-configured agent, the key from doc@halebop will be passed through Jan 31 09:31:48 which is fairly neat Jan 31 09:34:59 while sleep 1800; do ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done Jan 31 09:35:49 root@MaemoFirewall:~ # cat reboot1 Jan 31 09:35:51 #!/bin/sh Jan 31 09:35:52