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Feb 05 06:41:54 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/05/gnome_standardises_on_javascript/
Feb 05 08:11:04 <Aoyagi_joytop> Is there a list of original keyboard layouts for N900 somewhere?
Feb 05 08:18:13 <warfare> morning.
Feb 05 08:19:31 <xes> hi!
Feb 05 08:19:43 <gry> hi, xes
Feb 05 08:24:39 <warfare> hi xes, gry :) 
Feb 05 08:42:47 <kerio> Estel_: i thought it already
Feb 05 08:42:52 <kerio> it's not a problem
Feb 05 08:43:05 <kerio> you can update fine from rmo
Feb 05 09:38:27 <kerio> is there any major problem with increasing /tmp's size?
Feb 05 09:41:08 <DocScrutinizer05> uplink upgraded threefold bandwidth
Feb 05 09:41:36 <flux> so 75Mbit/s now?
Feb 05 09:41:51 <kerio> :O
Feb 05 09:42:12 <DocScrutinizer05> peak:   80.6Mb                                                                                        rates:   77.7Mb  79.3Mb  79.2Mb
Feb 05 09:42:31 <kerio> are we filling it, then? :s
Feb 05 09:42:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 05 09:42:43 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Feb 05 09:43:17 <DocScrutinizer05> still hitting the ceiling
Feb 05 09:54:25 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer05: what is using it?
Feb 05 09:54:33 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer05: mirroring or legit users?
Feb 05 09:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> both
Feb 05 09:55:05 <DocScrutinizer05> we're ruthlessly throttling mirroring ATM
Feb 05 09:55:24 <kerio> still the ukraine and polish dudes?
Feb 05 09:55:40 <jacekowski> i've got complete mirror 
Feb 05 09:55:56 <DocScrutinizer05> we count connections/GETs per IP, and throttle down the top ten of those who don't use maemo-APT
Feb 05 09:56:16 <jacekowski> you can redirect all that don't use maemo-APT to my mirror
Feb 05 09:56:31 <jacekowski> other clients should accept redirects
Feb 05 09:56:35 <jacekowski> and everyone will be happy
Feb 05 09:56:49 <kerio> yay redirects :D
Feb 05 09:57:03 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer05: how many unique users?
Feb 05 09:57:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so once a mirror hit a certain number of files it tried to wget, it will share 75kBps with the other top ten
Feb 05 09:57:13 <kerio> jacekowski: why your server and not coralcdn?
Feb 05 09:58:16 <jacekowski> well, that's an option
Feb 05 09:58:30 <jacekowski> i've never used coral so i've got no idea how it works exactly
Feb 05 09:58:41 <kerio> repository.maemo.org.nyud.net
Feb 05 09:58:47 <kerio> and it caches stuff
Feb 05 09:59:00 <jacekowski> is it clever enough to update stuff
Feb 05 09:59:10 <DocScrutinizer05> for now mirroring is rather pointless anyway, since nothing should have changed since over a month (autobuilder down), and r.m.o got that nasty hashsum problem anyway, so mirrors rather stay with what they already have. Odds are that's not worse or even "better" than what's on r.m.o right now
Feb 05 09:59:53 <kerio> jacekowski: checks at most once per 5 minutes, and caches for 12 hours if you don't tell it to cache more
Feb 05 10:00:04 <kerio> or less
Feb 05 10:00:07 <jacekowski> btw.
Feb 05 10:00:07 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: indeed the last viable rmo snapshot was iirc that of 26/12/12; everything after that will screw up with hashsums mismatch
Feb 05 10:00:08 <jacekowski> http://maemo.jacekowski.org/webalizer/
Feb 05 10:00:15 <jacekowski> look at traffic spike in january
Feb 05 10:00:40 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: yo da man. Finally useful details regarding that annoyance
Feb 05 10:00:47 <jacekowski> 700GB in january compared to 96 month earlier
Feb 05 10:01:03 <kerio> jacekowski: ty :3
Feb 05 10:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: what's date of skeiron backup?
Feb 05 10:02:00 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: that's the date :) hence why skeiron in most cases gives no hashsum mismatches
Feb 05 10:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> AHAAAA :-D
Feb 05 10:02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and pretty please stop brkn fron running a sync! :-D
Feb 05 10:02:51 <thedead1440> hehe will do :D
Feb 05 10:03:11 <Lava_Croft> Anyone here hate on Secure Boot and owns a Chromebook?
Feb 05 10:03:37 <thedead1440> skeiron won't hammer rmo anyway due to the hashsum problems; all he will sync with is (if any) nokia servers for anything that's up
Feb 05 10:03:43 <jacekowski> there is nothing wrong with secure boot
Feb 05 10:03:49 <jacekowski> other than the implementation itself
Feb 05 10:03:54 <jacekowski> but idea is decent
Feb 05 10:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> uplink load gone down to 50Mbps. We're catching up with backlog
Feb 05 10:13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> means we shouldn't finally see much slowness in r.m.o anymore (except for those poor souls who got throttled)
Feb 05 10:13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Feb 05 10:14:02 <DocScrutinizer05> root@stage:~# netstat -nt | wc -l
Feb 05 10:14:04 <DocScrutinizer05> 576
Feb 05 10:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> great, we've been at ~4000 a few days ago
Feb 05 10:14:49 <DocScrutinizer05> 500 seems pretty sane
Feb 05 10:15:18 <qwazix> >"except for those poor souls who got throttled" who got throttled?
Feb 05 10:15:32 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: a worthy sacrifice to the bandwidth god
Feb 05 10:18:57 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: those with top-ten number of downloaded files which don't use maemo-APT aka HAM
Feb 05 10:19:15 <DocScrutinizer05> alias "mirrors" or "leechers"
Feb 05 10:19:51 <qwazix> DocSrutinizer05, :nod:
Feb 05 10:19:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and maybe a few innocent guys behind a national NAT who just wanted to do a single wget, which summed up to the NATs IP
Feb 05 10:20:23 <DocScrutinizer05> summed up on*
Feb 05 10:20:29 <tadzik> ..national NAT? There are such things?
Feb 05 10:20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> allegedly Poland and Czech have those
Feb 05 10:21:03 <warfare> tadzik: Kabel Deutschland rolled out Carrier Grade NAT for some german customers. 
Feb 05 10:21:12 <tadzik> poor guys
Feb 05 10:21:17 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Feb 05 10:21:45 <DocScrutinizer05> eventually we'll remove the throttling, or increase bandwidth we allow to them
Feb 05 10:21:59 <warfare> I disabled the throtteling and we are still below 75mbit/s
Feb 05 10:22:07 <DocScrutinizer05> good
Feb 05 10:22:09 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, any reports until now for such cases?
Feb 05 10:22:15 <tadzik> I know of few Polish ISPs that install block-of-flats-wide NATs and call that a feature
Feb 05 10:22:18 <kerio> so... we're done?
Feb 05 10:22:33 <kerio> tadzik: an italian ISP does that too
Feb 05 10:22:36 <qwazix> (real people that got throttled?)
Feb 05 10:22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: I have no means to evaluate
Feb 05 10:23:09 <kerio> qwazix: they'd chalk that up to general rmo slowness anyway
Feb 05 10:23:12 <qwazix> I mean if anybody came here whining
Feb 05 10:23:23 <qwazix> ah, ok
Feb 05 10:23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> everybody came here whining ;-)
Feb 05 10:23:39 <qwazix> hehe
Feb 05 10:24:11 <DocScrutinizer05> there's been that one .ua IP that used 600kBps bandwidth for hours
Feb 05 10:24:26 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody doing full wget
Feb 05 10:24:33 <DocScrutinizer05> he for sure got throttled
Feb 05 10:24:45 <jacekowski> is the hash stuff fixed?
Feb 05 10:24:51 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
Feb 05 10:24:58 <DocScrutinizer05> we're just starting on that
Feb 05 10:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> blocker: autobuilder/x-fade
Feb 05 10:25:38 <jacekowski> is that the OBS builder?
Feb 05 10:25:42 <jacekowski> or the old stuff
Feb 05 10:25:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I asked thedead1440 to take care about the proper ticket to nemein
Feb 05 10:25:55 <DocScrutinizer05> old stuff
Feb 05 10:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> we got no OBS
Feb 05 10:26:43 <qwazix> OBS just went away? don't we have at least the VM's or sth?
Feb 05 10:26:57 <qwazix> (not running, backed up somewhere)
Feb 05 10:26:59 <M4rtinK> I'm pretty sure we (CZ) don't have any national-level NAT :)
Feb 05 10:27:29 <M4rtinK> but lots of users (cable, mobile internet, DSL) do have shared IPs
Feb 05 10:27:41 <M4rtinK> shared with other customers of the given ISP
Feb 05 10:27:46 <DocScrutinizer05> YEAH, that's an uplink the way I love it: constant fluctuations between 50 nad 70Mbps
Feb 05 10:28:19 <DocScrutinizer05> means it's actually the requests and their randomness that determins load
Feb 05 10:28:33 <M4rtinK> qwazix: I remember logging into it so it probably kinda worked
Feb 05 10:29:04 <qwazix> hmm, then where is it? Deleted?
Feb 05 10:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> DAFAQ, that .ua guy again!
Feb 05 10:29:20 <kerio> yep, i can pull at 1MB/s :D
Feb 05 10:29:23 <DocScrutinizer05> 188.117.59.205                                                        => 91.22x.2x.10x                                                         19.1Mb  20.7Mb  22.0Mb
Feb 05 10:30:02 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: Let him mirror, he'll be finished soon. 
Feb 05 10:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: please re-enable thorttling of top-ten to 2Mbps
Feb 05 10:30:37 <DocScrutinizer05> err wait, 2Mbps per client, that means 20Mbps for the netfilter queue
Feb 05 10:30:47 <kerio> warfare: do you reckon we should still implement some kind of CDN? or we can go without?
Feb 05 10:30:52 <kerio> *or can we go
Feb 05 10:31:34 <warfare> kerio: I'd like to see how it works over time. I have absolutely no idea about the long term behaviour.
Feb 05 10:32:13 <Muelli> hm.I can't install things from extras-devel. I get hash sum mismatch. I did apt-get update a few times, but I can't install i.e. tvbgone or htop. The repository seems to be available. Any ideas?
Feb 05 10:32:24 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: all calculations show we should be fine
Feb 05 10:32:40 <kerio> Muelli: a problem with the repository, use extras-devel.merlin1991.at
Feb 05 10:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> for the 40k
Feb 05 10:32:51 <kerio> it's better, anyway
Feb 05 10:33:12 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: merlin1991 claimed it's "totally fubar" OWTTE
Feb 05 10:33:16 <Muelli> kerio: so repository.maemo.org is quirky?
Feb 05 10:33:26 <qwazix> are there any reported problems using backupmenu & uboot at the same time?
Feb 05 10:33:27 <DocScrutinizer05> he even wanna take it down from recommended mirrors
Feb 05 10:33:29 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel-light is different
Feb 05 10:33:43 <kerio> it does its own thing
Feb 05 10:33:52 <Muelli> kerio: and who's the one then backdooring my phone with tampered packages? ;-)
Feb 05 10:33:54 <kerio> the apt-mirror one is FUBAR
Feb 05 10:34:09 <kerio> Muelli: the same dude who has write access to repository.maemo.org/community-testing
Feb 05 10:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Muelli: those mirrors are considered trustworthy
Feb 05 10:34:46 <M4rtinK> bad news: cutetube-1.4.1 from Extras-Devel, built 2012-10-10, reports hash mismatch
Feb 05 10:35:00 <DocScrutinizer05> (except maybe wedrop.it which is under control of a rogue IRC chanop who has funny ideas sometimes ;-P)
Feb 05 10:35:05 <Muelli> k
Feb 05 10:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> just kidding
Feb 05 10:35:23 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: those MUST be signed by the maemo.org extras key, anyway
Feb 05 10:35:23 <Muelli> only extras-devel is affected, right? I seem to be able to install other stuff, anyway
Feb 05 10:35:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Muelli: yes, since extras hasn't changed since "years"
Feb 05 10:36:14 <M4rtinK> I'll try to find if there are some Devel packages without mismatch
Feb 05 10:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: that's a fsckng PITA
Feb 05 10:36:59 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: which "mirror"?
Feb 05 10:37:04 <DocScrutinizer05> r.m.o?
Feb 05 10:37:20 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, do we care?
Feb 05 10:37:37 <DocScrutinizer05> or are those supposed to be identical on all mirrors anyway
Feb 05 10:37:39 <Muelli> I want to restore a backup, i.e. restore the applications from the backup. There is a button in the app manager. Any chance I can do that via CLI?
Feb 05 10:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> normal backup?
Feb 05 10:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> or backupmenu backup?
Feb 05 10:38:56 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: r.m.o
Feb 05 10:39:23 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: all my reports concern r.m.o BTW
Feb 05 10:39:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Muelli: for normal Hildon backup/restore app, you probably should try to use the backup app's restore function, which in turn calls HAM, and see how far that gets you
Feb 05 10:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: "great"
Feb 05 10:40:06 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: I mean, thanks a lot!
Feb 05 10:40:23 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: I'm glad I can help in some way! :)
Feb 05 10:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: how's rmo speed for you now?
Feb 05 10:40:46 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: seems finally usable
Feb 05 10:40:53 <DocScrutinizer05> good :-D
Feb 05 10:41:07 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: was abysmal till yesterday, now it is ok :)
Feb 05 10:43:56 <kerio> by the way, the magic token code is visible on rmp
Feb 05 10:43:57 <kerio> rmo
Feb 05 10:44:12 <M4rtinK> I wonder how the mismatch could be fixed
Feb 05 10:44:39 <M4rtinK> what is corrupted - the packages or the has list ?
Feb 05 10:44:47 <M4rtinK> *hash list
Feb 05 10:44:50 <kerio> M4rtinK: the list
Feb 05 10:45:00 <kerio> the debs install fine, apparently
Feb 05 10:45:07 <M4rtinK> good
Feb 05 10:46:06 <Muelli> oh, I can't install from extras-testing :-\ hmm.
Feb 05 10:48:35 <M4rtinK> hopefully just regenerating the checksums would be sufficient
Feb 05 10:53:33 <jpinx> today's question for the n900 - how to get skype to use the main camera - not the one facing me ? :)
Feb 05 10:53:35 <M4rtinK> weird: openmediaplayer_20121220-1 installed fine
Feb 05 10:53:54 <M4rtinK> so the corruption is probably not strictly time based
Feb 05 10:54:09 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: I gather autobulder screwed things up due to some bug.
Feb 05 10:54:26 <qwazix> hash sum mismatch for me too while installing backupmenu
Feb 05 10:55:06 <M4rtinK> I think it looks like as the has got corrupted after the package was long built
Feb 05 10:55:26 <DocScrutinizer05> my suspicion is about stale NFS mounts between the different *.m.o machines. So occasionally autobuilder running with no access to garage or vcs or drop or whatever, and then creating shit hashsums
Feb 05 10:55:31 <M4rtinK> eq. Autobuilder building a new package, assigning it's hash to an old one
Feb 05 10:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> there are cron rsync jobs and whatnot
Feb 05 10:56:24 <M4rtinK> as some of these packages are quite old and there were no reports about mismatches so far
Feb 05 10:56:29 <DocScrutinizer05> figure a rsync aborted
Feb 05 10:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> next autobuilder run may corrupt arbitrary random packages
Feb 05 10:56:54 <qwazix> could it be related to the out-of-sync maemo downloads web page?
Feb 05 10:57:06 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: yes
Feb 05 10:57:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Feb 05 10:57:24 <qwazix> That one is stuck even before migration
Feb 05 10:57:39 <Muelli> so is there an extras-testing mirror?
Feb 05 10:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody with a clue how that dungeaon monster works has to look at it: Nemein / X-Fade
Feb 05 10:58:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Muelli: with same problems, yes
Feb 05 10:58:18 <Muelli> ah, darn
Feb 05 10:58:26 <DocScrutinizer05> though not with identical problems
Feb 05 10:58:32 <qwazix> Latest update of maemo.org/downloads 27/11/12
Feb 05 10:58:40 <DocScrutinizer05> a package that fails on one mirror might work on another
Feb 05 10:58:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and vice versa
Feb 05 11:43:50 <merlin1991> kerio, DocScrutinizer05 maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit
Feb 05 11:43:58 <kerio> indeed :3
Feb 05 11:45:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, can we have that "tagged" somewhere?
Feb 05 11:45:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirrors
Feb 05 11:45:31 <infobot> i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 05 11:45:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal mirrors
Feb 05 11:45:51 <infobot> "#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror"
Feb 05 11:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal mirror
Feb 05 11:46:04 <infobot> "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143"
Feb 05 11:46:05 <WizardNumberNext> rmo works! \o/
Feb 05 11:46:14 <kerio> \o/
Feb 05 11:47:12 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<
Feb 05 11:47:13 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Feb 05 11:47:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirror
Feb 05 11:47:19 <infobot> mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<
Feb 05 11:48:03 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05: only top 10 are throttled? So, if there would be 15 or 20 of them, then they would be just changing places on the list.
Feb 05 11:48:14 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 05 11:48:33 <kerio> i thought warfare said he wasn't throttling anymore
Feb 05 11:54:59 <WizardNumberNext> I didn't get there before I wrote last post
Feb 05 11:55:08 <WizardNumberNext> He said that
Feb 05 11:55:54 <WizardNumberNext> anyway apt-get update went just flying
Feb 05 11:57:08 <WizardNumberNext> and files are cached on proxy, so unless there would some changes...
Feb 05 11:57:29 <WizardNumberNext> I would be getting only HTTP headers, till file would change
Feb 05 12:03:02 <kerio> meh, fuck installing the toolchain on the n900
Feb 05 12:03:07 <kerio> too complicated
Feb 05 12:22:23 <WizardNumberNext> I wrote battery monitoring script, which would show actuall state after $1 seconds every $2 seconds and do it $3 times. It would log state as well: DateTime; used uA; average uAh; current from BQ in uA; charge for BQ; voltage from BQ
Feb 05 12:22:32 <WizardNumberNext> anybody likes to get paste?
Feb 05 12:24:09 <WizardNumberNext> 201305122159;3748;223200;201705;473382;3896 - line of log
Feb 05 12:24:44 <WizardNumberNext> voltage is in mV
Feb 05 13:52:46 <kerio> warfare: i seem to be getting 503s sometimes, on rmo
Feb 05 13:53:03 <warfare> kerio: I'll have a look. 
Feb 05 14:06:46 <Aoyagi_joytop> Is it difficult to find a spare keyboard buttons and then replace them?
Feb 05 14:07:13 <Aoyagi_joytop> (I assume that changing the keyboard software layout is as easy as it gets)
Feb 05 14:08:43 <kerio> changing the software keyboard layout can be surprisingly hard, actually
Feb 05 14:08:48 <kerio> if it's not one of the builtin layouts
Feb 05 14:09:01 <Aoyagi_joytop> Damn.
Feb 05 14:09:04 <kerio> for instance, i still haven't found a way to use my modified english layout in qt programs
Feb 05 14:09:22 <kerio> gtk programs, and everything that uses xkb, use it just fine
Feb 05 14:09:39 <kerio> Aoyagi_joytop: what do you want to change?
Feb 05 14:09:57 <Aoyagi_joytop> So if I buy a phone with QWERTZ hardware keyboard, I'll have to use that in some occasions?
Feb 05 14:10:38 <kerio> no, no
Feb 05 14:10:52 <kerio> changing the layout in Settings works fine
Feb 05 14:11:02 <Aoyagi_joytop> Oh, good.
Feb 05 14:11:05 <kerio> ...i think
Feb 05 14:11:23 <Aoyagi_joytop> I have terrible experiences with N97 ...
Feb 05 14:13:15 <kerio> just checked, the default layouts work fine in QT too
Feb 05 14:13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> Aoyagi_joytop: there's nothing in N900 hard-defining the keymat it's using. You can swap keymat any time, and adjust keyboard mapping in settings
Feb 05 14:14:52 <DocScrutinizer05> when it gets to custom kbd mappings though, stuff gets tricky
Feb 05 14:15:10 <Aoyagi_joytop> Gah, I haz crash.
Feb 05 14:15:15 <Aoyagi_joytop> What did I miss?
Feb 05 14:15:27 <Aoyagi_joytop> ah, log
Feb 05 14:15:35 <kerio> Aoyagi_joytop: unless you want to customize the mappings, you'll be fine
Feb 05 14:15:50 <Aoyagi_joytop> Oh, good.
Feb 05 14:16:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how does osso-product-info know that my n900 is british, though?
Feb 05 14:16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> from CAL
Feb 05 14:16:41 <kerio> well, thankfully they decided to let the user decide the hw layout
Feb 05 14:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Feb 05 14:16:51 <Aoyagi_joytop> Well thanks, I thought that such open platform shouldn't have problems with this, just wanted to make sure :)
Feb 05 14:17:22 <kerio> i wonder how well external keyboards work with QT
Feb 05 14:17:25 <kerio> probably not a lot
Feb 05 14:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> go give it a try
Feb 05 14:18:04 <kerio> i can't, right now
Feb 05 14:18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> H-E-N is out there for you
Feb 05 14:18:15 <kerio> i'm pooping
Feb 05 14:18:22 <kerio> and besides, i don't have a usb keyboard anywhere anymore
Feb 05 14:18:24 <kerio> only a bluetooth one
Feb 05 14:18:24 <DocScrutinizer05> info overload
Feb 05 14:20:05 <warfare> kerio: 503's should be fixed. (hopefully)
Feb 05 14:20:16 <kerio> yay, what was it?
Feb 05 14:20:25 <kerio> not enough free connections in apache?
Feb 05 14:20:39 <warfare> apache couldn't handle the backend connections. So varnish goes to nginx for .debs. 
Feb 05 14:20:50 <kerio> ...waaaaaait
Feb 05 14:20:57 <warfare> :)
Feb 05 14:21:01 <kerio> why do we have three web servers now?
Feb 05 14:21:12 <kerio> can't varnish itself serve static files?
Feb 05 14:21:15 <warfare> Yep. Apache on port 81, nginx on port 82. 
Feb 05 14:21:18 <warfare> kerio: nope. 
Feb 05 14:22:23 <warfare> still 503's. damn. 
Feb 05 14:23:03 <kerio> why do we need apache, again?
Feb 05 14:23:49 <warfare> some php scripts. 
Feb 05 14:24:21 <kerio> which ones?
Feb 05 14:25:01 <kerio> also, have you made sure that varnish loaded the new config?
Feb 05 14:25:36 <Aoyagi_joytop> so
Feb 05 14:25:50 <Aoyagi_joytop> Would you choose http://imgur.com/luD0ZOZ or http://imgur.com/sccECJw ? :D
Feb 05 14:25:51 <warfare> kerio: I did. Must have been some old connections, I don't see any 503s anymore. 
Feb 05 14:26:16 <warfare> kerio: rootfs, flasher, etc. the whole license checking stuff. 
Feb 05 14:26:53 <kerio> hold on, rmo doesn't host those
Feb 05 14:26:54 <kerio> does it?
Feb 05 14:27:14 <warfare> http://repository.maemo.org/flasher
Feb 05 14:27:36 <kerio> but... that links to tablets-dev
Feb 05 14:28:43 <kerio> Aoyagi_joytop: first one
Feb 05 14:28:52 <kerio> obviously
Feb 05 14:30:18 <Aoyagi_joytop> Huh, I wasn't that sure.
Feb 05 14:30:54 <kerio> the first one had a better photographer
Feb 05 14:31:09 <kerio> also, english keyboard
Feb 05 14:32:05 <cehteh> the 2nd one is dirty but has a screen protector
Feb 05 14:32:18 <cehteh> i wonder how it looks if its cleaned up
Feb 05 14:32:40 <cehteh> but what keyboard is that?
Feb 05 14:32:47 <Aoyagi_joytop> Czech...
Feb 05 14:33:05 <Aoyagi_joytop> That's why I asked if it's difficult to change it :D
Feb 05 14:33:50 <cehteh> its doable if you are able to get a new keyboard map
Feb 05 14:34:04 <cehteh> dunno if they are available somewhere still
Feb 05 14:37:04 <Aoyagi_joytop> Hm. Might as well get both.
Feb 05 14:44:26 <kerio> haha
Feb 05 14:51:31 <Aoyagi_joytop> What did you mean by keyboard map?
Feb 05 14:51:40 <WizardNumberNext> ~0.7*1320
Feb 05 14:51:40 <infobot> 924
Feb 05 14:51:52 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: it's probably not 1320 anymore anyway
Feb 05 14:51:55 <kerio> batteries age
Feb 05 14:52:20 <WizardNumberNext> strange, I've been told its 0.7C charge mx
Feb 05 14:52:23 <WizardNumberNext> max
Feb 05 14:52:55 <WizardNumberNext> man batteries are used fore max 1 month (hard to tell how old they are)
Feb 05 14:53:14 <kerio> i thought chemical batteries didn't really have a concept of "charge" like that
Feb 05 14:53:36 <WizardNumberNext> then like what?
Feb 05 14:54:12 <WizardNumberNext> I know they have specific efficiency of charge and discharge
Feb 05 14:54:27 <WizardNumberNext> something like 80%/90%
Feb 05 14:54:54 <WizardNumberNext> but if that is true, then...
Feb 05 14:55:12 <WizardNumberNext> 0.8*833*0.9
Feb 05 14:55:18 <WizardNumberNext> ~0.8*833*0.9
Feb 05 14:55:18 <infobot> 599.76
Feb 05 14:55:42 <WizardNumberNext> which won't be real in any ways
Feb 05 14:56:29 <WizardNumberNext> ~0.8*(833+30)*0.9
Feb 05 14:56:30 <infobot> 621.36
Feb 05 14:57:01 <WizardNumberNext> this would be sligthly closer (considering 833+30
Feb 05 14:57:27 <kerio> to what?
Feb 05 14:58:05 <WizardNumberNext> cause I leave it charging forever and it takes rawly hour or so after FULL which small charge around 60mA and falling
Feb 05 14:58:12 <WizardNumberNext> to real capacity
Feb 05 14:58:47 <WizardNumberNext> but I think BQ is lying to me, as I never got more then 900mA on it
Feb 05 14:58:57 <WizardNumberNext> I mean 900mAh
Feb 05 14:59:11 <kerio> have you done a proper calibration cycle?
Feb 05 14:59:16 <WizardNumberNext> appart from original battery which got to 1250mAh
Feb 05 14:59:28 <WizardNumberNext> got few of them (I think)
Feb 05 15:00:09 <WizardNumberNext> 1. till charge current would disappear by itself 2. till it will die on me
Feb 05 15:00:25 <WizardNumberNext> it dies below 3248mV
Feb 05 15:01:08 <WizardNumberNext> and I got battery to 4171mV on minimal charging current (rawly 1-2mA)
Feb 05 15:01:39 <WizardNumberNext> I got rid of logs so cannot say how much it was, when charging was completely cut off
Feb 05 15:01:57 <WizardNumberNext> but it was around 4068mV
Feb 05 15:02:40 <kerio> cut off by who? were you using bme at that point?
Feb 05 15:03:03 <WizardNumberNext> no, I let BQ take charge of battery
Feb 05 15:03:18 <kerio> the emergency charge? that won't let you fill the battery
Feb 05 15:03:33 <WizardNumberNext> but not by any scripts or zaanything - just change from BME to BQ on status
Feb 05 15:03:56 <WizardNumberNext> no, not emergency charge, normal charge under OS
Feb 05 15:06:36 <kerio> hold on, who is controlling b24150?
Feb 05 15:06:55 <WizardNumberNext> no idea - honestly
Feb 05 15:07:06 <WizardNumberNext> but it is chargin till zilch
Feb 05 15:07:14 <kerio> is bme running?
Feb 05 15:07:53 <WizardNumberNext> do I have choice - last time I asked how to stop it, we got to dead end, because of dsme
Feb 05 15:08:18 <kerio> no, the last time you asked how to stop it we told you how
Feb 05 15:08:26 <kerio> you ignored us, and used a SIGSTOP
Feb 05 15:08:58 <DocScrutinizer05> WizardNumberNext: `stop bme`
Feb 05 15:09:15 <WizardNumberNext> no, it wasn't like that - I got some answers, but in the end discussion started on dsme side of problem
Feb 05 15:09:24 <WizardNumberNext> and I used SIGSTOP before I asked
Feb 05 15:09:24 <DocScrutinizer05> and after that, bq24150 will reset to emergency charge mode, after 32s
Feb 05 15:10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> bq24150 can not charge battery to 4200mV on its own
Feb 05 15:10:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it needs at least some watchdog tickler
Feb 05 15:11:05 <DocScrutinizer05> see my POC scriptie on tmo
Feb 05 15:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I linked you to it last time
Feb 05 15:12:11 <DocScrutinizer05> also see ShadowJK's charge21.sh
Feb 05 15:12:31 <DocScrutinizer05> which is an improved version of my POC micro-script
Feb 05 15:12:58 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: POC as in Proof Of Concept, i hope
Feb 05 15:13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> take that as it pleases you most
Feb 05 15:13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> both applies ;-)
Feb 05 15:13:51 <DocScrutinizer05> it's never been meant for productive use
Feb 05 15:14:04 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's both
Feb 05 15:14:13 <kerio> piece of cake?
Feb 05 15:14:20 <DocScrutinizer05> pile of crap
Feb 05 15:14:23 <WizardNumberNext> yes, please
Feb 05 15:14:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and proof of concept
Feb 05 15:14:28 <kerio> point of contact?
Feb 05 15:14:30 <WizardNumberNext> piece of cake
Feb 05 15:14:47 <kerio> policy oversight committee
Feb 05 15:15:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wtf poc
Feb 05 15:15:08 <infobot> POC: point of contact 
Feb 05 15:15:11 <kerio> hahah what the hell, parents of ostomy children
Feb 05 15:15:16 <DocScrutinizer05> omfg
Feb 05 15:15:16 <kerio> why is this listed
Feb 05 15:19:25 <WizardNumberNext> ok, where charge.sh have value for current, I would like to change it to something like 500-600 and termination current as low as possible
Feb 05 15:34:04 <WizardNumberNext> what the hell NAC is?
Feb 05 15:54:16 <DocScrutinizer05> you might appreciate my bq27k-detail script, on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/
Feb 05 15:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> it's *very* verbose
Feb 05 16:03:55 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05: detail2?
Feb 05 16:04:07 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
Feb 05 16:11:45 <luf> merlin1991: I'm ok with week 18-24th (it depends on day but it's too far to know now)
Feb 05 16:12:33 <luf> freemangordon: I'm affraid it's time to patch bluetooth in kernel (based on debian or another distro kernel).
Feb 05 16:13:27 <Estel_> M4rtinK,  package from 2010.10 got hash sum mismatch?
Feb 05 16:13:36 <Estel_> 0_o it's extremely bad news for rmo
Feb 05 16:13:38 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05: it is extremly verbose
Feb 05 16:14:24 <Estel_> I wonder if anyone will be able to fix it, or full backup restore from some mirror will be required (or re-building and re-submitting offending packages, like that from 10.2012)
Feb 05 16:14:37 <Estel_> M4rtinK,  I mean 2012.10 of course, not 2010
Feb 05 16:18:14 <WizardNumberNext> OK I got VDQ long time ago, I think it would be safe to leave now
Feb 05 16:20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> tmo pending a reboot
Feb 05 16:21:13 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] tmo pending a reboot
Feb 05 16:22:21 <WizardNumberNext> when?
Feb 05 16:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> shortly
Feb 05 16:23:44 <WizardNumberNext> should I start bme w/ o w/o bq modules?
Feb 05 16:24:40 <WizardNumberNext> looks like w/o them, cause I got restart right after starting be
Feb 05 16:24:53 <WizardNumberNext> s/g be/g bme/
Feb 05 16:25:02 <WizardNumberNext> infoboot ping
Feb 05 16:25:10 <WizardNumberNext> ~ping infoboot
Feb 05 16:25:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Feb 05 16:26:10 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Feb 05 16:27:20 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Feb 05 16:28:15 * WizardNumberNext going to shop to hunt for great offers with BBD of today
Feb 05 16:30:26 <DocScrutinizer05> RIP infobot
Feb 05 16:30:43 <DocScrutinizer05> long live new infobot
Feb 05 16:31:02 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Feb 05 16:31:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ping
Feb 05 16:31:27 <infobot> ~pong
Feb 05 16:39:19 <kerio> Estel_: just... rehash the packages and rebuild Packages and Release?
Feb 05 16:50:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] tmo got reset to a backup done 5h ago. Nobody erased your most recent post just to run a prank on you
Feb 05 16:50:37 <kerio> ~botsnack
Feb 05 16:50:38 <infobot> aw, gee, kerio
Feb 05 17:11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: so you like to change 
Feb 05 17:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05>   +mirrors
Feb 05 17:12:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirrors
Feb 05 17:12:10 <infobot> rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<
Feb 05 17:12:14 <DocScrutinizer05> even?
Feb 05 17:19:46 <kerio> learn to /cs topic
Feb 05 17:19:54 <DocScrutinizer05> pff, no way
Feb 05 17:20:37 <kerio> it's easy!
Feb 05 17:20:48 <DocScrutinizer05> a) it's way more inconvenient than that nice editbox in Konversation, and b) I like the history to show *who* did the edit
Feb 05 17:22:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I got all topic changes since 2012-11-08 in history here, incl who did it and what been done
Feb 05 17:23:00 <DocScrutinizer05> this will fail at least for the "who" part when chanserv does the edits on behalf of >anonymous>
Feb 05 17:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> don't think I wouldn't constantly re-evaluate and think about my standard procedures to do things - usually there's a pretty well thought rationale behind my decision to do things the way I do
Feb 05 17:54:48 <n900-dk> Can you see and even change the repository list in some configfile? Instead of using HAM..
Feb 05 17:56:34 <kerio> n900-dk: there's hildon-application-manager-config, but using it is more obscure than the graphical menu
Feb 05 17:56:55 <kerio> HAM will use every repo in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
Feb 05 17:57:04 <kerio> so you can add your repos like you'd do in debian
Feb 05 17:57:12 <kerio> he'll show them in the list, but with no way to edit them
Feb 05 18:00:05 <n900-dk> thx, so I can edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list with no issues?
Feb 05 18:00:37 <DocScrutinizer05> strongly deprecated
Feb 05 18:00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a tarpit
Feb 05 18:01:16 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer05: yeah the mirror factoid should be updated
Feb 05 18:01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> HAM might overwrite your edits, or not accept them, or you make apt and HAM go out of sync regarding repos
Feb 05 18:01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal #maemo mirror
Feb 05 18:01:59 <infobot> "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<"
Feb 05 18:02:41 <n900-dk> hmm, just prefer to use apt sometimes
Feb 05 18:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 05 18:02:41 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Feb 05 18:03:14 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: please do your edits ^^^
Feb 05 18:03:48 <merlin1991> hm is the no, required or simply #chan factorid is value ?
Feb 05 18:04:10 <DocScrutinizer05> without the no you can't overwrite the existing factoid
Feb 05 18:04:35 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
Feb 05 18:04:35 <infobot> i already had it that way, DocScrutinizer05
Feb 05 18:05:12 <DocScrutinizer05> well, i'm a poor example, having admin privs on infobot
Feb 05 18:05:57 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway please follow the sheme of first checking actual factoid content with ~literal <factoid>
Feb 05 18:06:44 <DocScrutinizer05> then update by "infobot: no, <factoid> is <new content, probably c&p and edited>
Feb 05 18:07:25 <DocScrutinizer05> don't mess up with factoids that are not chan specific!
Feb 05 18:07:39 <merlin1991> okay
Feb 05 18:07:48 <merlin1991> ~litearal #maemo mirror
Feb 05 18:07:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal mirrors
Feb 05 18:07:51 <infobot> "#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror"
Feb 05 18:07:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal mirror
Feb 05 18:07:57 <infobot> "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143"
Feb 05 18:08:06 <DocScrutinizer05> check closely!
Feb 05 18:08:10 <merlin1991> ~literal #maemo mirror
Feb 05 18:08:10 <infobot> "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143"
Feb 05 18:09:07 <merlin1991> infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
Feb 05 18:09:08 <infobot> merlin1991: okay
Feb 05 18:10:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirrors
Feb 05 18:10:42 <infobot> mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
Feb 05 18:11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> pro tip: don't c&p the "ticked" version, it will fail on definition of a new factoid
Feb 05 18:12:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~"xxtest" is "we don't want ticks"
Feb 05 18:12:23 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one
Feb 05 18:12:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xxtest is "we don't want ticks"
Feb 05 18:12:46 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Feb 05 18:12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xxtest 
Feb 05 18:12:53 <infobot> it has been said that xxtest is "we don't want ticks"
Feb 05 18:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget xxtest
Feb 05 18:13:08 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxtest
Feb 05 18:15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xy is foo
Feb 05 18:15:39 <infobot> ...but xy is already something else...
Feb 05 18:15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal xy
Feb 05 18:15:49 <infobot> "xy" is "The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X."
Feb 05 18:16:19 <DocScrutinizer05> nice one
Feb 05 18:26:15 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: HAM and apt's repos can't go out of sync, but HAM will outright ignore the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and write its own thing there
Feb 05 18:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: yes, probably you're right. anyway it's not exactly intuitive to handle, and thus HAM catalog editor is the only recommended method to change your repo settings
Feb 05 18:28:24 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it's annoyingly slow
Feb 05 18:29:01 <DocScrutinizer05> but anyway it works unattended, once you enabled or added a repo and clicked "OK"
Feb 05 18:29:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and it does implicit apt-get update which you'd need to do anyway, after changing repo list
Feb 05 18:30:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think changing or enabling a repo/catalog in HAM is *much* slower than editing whatever file and then running apt-get update
Feb 05 18:32:07 <WizardNumberNext> just checking if I remember right, cause I do not want problems. To go from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing, I click CSSU-testing enabler and update, then?
Feb 05 18:37:26 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: are you kidding me? of course it is
Feb 05 18:37:52 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: delete the cssu stable repo first
Feb 05 18:38:05 <kerio> sorry, "catalogue"
Feb 05 18:38:13 <WizardNumberNext> I got it.
Feb 05 18:38:14 <kerio> then follow the instructions as specified on the wiki
Feb 05 18:38:37 <WizardNumberNext> I would do that anyway, but knowing me it would after not priore
Feb 05 18:38:45 <kerio> then install cssu-thumb, right DocScrutinizer?
Feb 05 18:39:47 <kerio> :D
Feb 05 18:40:30 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: apart of thumb any other changes between kp-51 and kernel-thumb? Or is it wiser to ask Pali?
Feb 05 18:42:48 <WizardNumberNext> and most important! What about O/C.? I really like my N900 on 500-720MHz
Feb 05 18:44:43 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05 ans Pali ^^
Feb 05 18:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Feb 05 18:47:36 <WizardNumberNext> differences between kp51 and kernel-thumb?
Feb 05 18:48:27 <WizardNumberNext> not to mention "operation failed"  in HAM, after clickng CSSU-testing button
Feb 05 18:49:15 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: make sure you have no cssu catalogues, close ham, wait for it to close, click the cssu-testing button
Feb 05 18:49:37 <kerio> overclocking is somewhat dumb, cssu-thumb is a better option if you want more performance
Feb 05 18:49:44 <kerio> and you should use kp52 anyway
Feb 05 18:50:04 <kerio> plenty of bugfixes and new features
Feb 05 18:50:13 <kerio> like network bridges
Feb 05 18:50:21 <WizardNumberNext> I do not have any CSSU catalogues enabled - do I have to remove it completely, then?
Feb 05 18:51:05 <kerio> completely remove what?
Feb 05 18:51:09 <kerio> let's focus on cssu-testing first :)
Feb 05 18:51:10 <WizardNumberNext> bridge? what can I bridge? usb with nothing?
Feb 05 18:51:23 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: install the new bluez, and you have a proper PAN setup
Feb 05 18:52:36 <WizardNumberNext> unusable in my case as only device, which would be using it is server, as desktop have buggy USB, which handles everything till some point and then only mouse works
Feb 05 18:53:35 <WizardNumberNext> give me sec anyway, cause I am soldering my headphones
Feb 05 18:54:54 <kerio> freemangordon: will HAM let you do things that result in the uninstallation of the metapackage? i'm asking you because you probably tested that the most
Feb 05 19:00:59 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: obviously HAM takes its time to close, that was problem
Feb 05 19:08:15 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: kp52 link?
Feb 05 19:12:04 <n900-dk> Is HAM log located in a textfile somewhere?
Feb 05 19:25:01 <WizardNumberNext> HAM wants me to use PC suite
Feb 05 19:25:42 <WizardNumberNext> is it safe to update with red-pill mode?
Feb 05 19:25:43 <BCMM> my n900 just rebooted completely spontaneously. i wasn't even using it. this hasn't happened before; does it indicate anything serious?
Feb 05 19:25:50 <WizardNumberNext> or should I try reboot first
Feb 05 19:26:35 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: hrmpf
Feb 05 19:26:36 <WizardNumberNext> BCMM: I was getting such spontaneus reboots, while I was undervolting CPU
Feb 05 19:26:39 <kerio> try rebooting first
Feb 05 19:26:47 <WizardNumberNext> I am on it
Feb 05 19:27:01 <WizardNumberNext> seams to be a lot more safe then red-pill
Feb 05 19:27:16 <kerio> also, don't use mirrors
Feb 05 19:27:35 <WizardNumberNext> no mirrors enables - actually I just removed them
Feb 05 19:28:23 <WizardNumberNext> btw I got 4 repos for CSSU: stable, testing, thumb and devel and only testing was enabled
Feb 05 19:28:51 <WizardNumberNext> the stable doesn't seam to be right here, but I see reason why it might be there as well
Feb 05 19:29:09 <WizardNumberNext> so should it be there or not
Feb 05 19:29:30 <kerio> ok, so the enabler did its job
Feb 05 19:29:35 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: nah, it's ok
Feb 05 19:29:39 <kerio> it should be there
Feb 05 19:29:41 <kerio> and you can't delete it, anyway
Feb 05 19:30:02 <kerio> well, try rebooting and then we'll see what's wrong
Feb 05 19:30:48 <WizardNumberNext> ok, just checking. btw should it be disabled? Both options seam right and wrong at the same time, so I prefer to ask.
Feb 05 19:31:01 <WizardNumberNext> just got it back after reboot
Feb 05 19:31:12 <WizardNumberNext> mount eMMC
Feb 05 19:31:18 <kerio> only the cssu-testing repo should be enabled of all the cssu repos
Feb 05 19:31:23 <kerio> oh, i think i know what it is
Feb 05 19:31:25 <kerio> merlin1991: fix this ffs
Feb 05 19:31:36 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: you need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install cssu-testing at the moment
Feb 05 19:31:53 <WizardNumberNext> I see
Feb 05 19:32:04 <WizardNumberNext> no wonder I coulndn't do that
Feb 05 19:32:08 <kerio> but of course, rmo is somewhat screwed up at the moment
Feb 05 19:32:12 <WizardNumberNext> I disbled extras-devel
Feb 05 19:32:17 <kerio> so enable extras-devel.merlin1991.at
Feb 05 19:32:24 <kerio> and hope that HAM won't complain about its domain thing
Feb 05 19:33:10 <WizardNumberNext> I know that, but package-wise it should be ok - it seam that hash-sums are wrong, but packages aren't bad, but nobody can garratie any package is right with wrong hash-sum
Feb 05 19:33:58 <kerio> who cares about what nobody can do
Feb 05 19:34:04 <kerio> HAM will not like it
Feb 05 19:34:12 <kerio> so use merlin1991's extras-devel
Feb 05 19:34:23 <WizardNumberNext> I know, even apt would complain
Feb 05 19:34:38 <DocScrutinizer05> why T F do regular users get cssu-thumb and even cssu-devel catalog after installing cssu-t?
Feb 05 19:34:41 <WizardNumberNext> ~mirrors
Feb 05 19:34:41 <infobot> it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
Feb 05 19:35:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: i said this before, but happy new year :P
Feb 05 19:35:35 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: as a workaround for HAM's domain thing
Feb 05 19:35:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm temped to kick you
Feb 05 19:36:01 <kerio> it was done somewhat coarsely
Feb 05 19:36:07 <kerio> aka by adding every cssu repo
Feb 05 19:36:21 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: don't you like me? :c
Feb 05 19:36:37 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, if you like to troll me some more, get your shit done by somebody else! >:-(
Feb 05 19:36:39 <WizardNumberNext> do not ask me! I do not want it yet! If  I would want it I would ask for it. One reason for it is: as I am not involved with any repo I cannot know, if everything would work with everything as it is supposed to do, so I rather avoid enabling to many repos
Feb 05 19:36:47 <kerio> we're working on a way to split the catalogues in packages
Feb 05 19:37:23 <kerio> my proposal is to keep keys and domains in community-ssu-enabler and only split the "system catalogues" in packages
Feb 05 19:37:36 <kerio> and then install community-ssu-enabler as a dependency of community-ssu-$flavour
Feb 05 19:37:39 <DocScrutinizer05> take your proposal and eat it
Feb 05 19:37:54 <kerio> it's not a proposal to you, it's a proposal to Pali
Feb 05 19:38:28 <kerio> (and the cssu maintainers, obviously)
Feb 05 19:38:48 <kerio> it's halfway between a bureaucratic decision and a technical decision, really
Feb 05 19:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't give a fuck about it
Feb 05 19:40:34 <kerio> you fscking asked
Feb 05 19:40:37 <DocScrutinizer05> got better things to do than fixing shit whole day and night for Mr trollollo
Feb 05 19:40:45 <WizardNumberNext> shit just realized I never had extras-testing! I need apt line (I shall translate it by myself)
Feb 05 19:41:06 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: the state of extras* on rmo is inconsistent at the moment
Feb 05 19:41:12 <WizardNumberNext> and apt line for mirror of extras-devel for merlin1991 mirror
Feb 05 19:41:16 <DocScrutinizer05> to get stupid trolling as an answer when asking why people mess up shit after me fixing it
Feb 05 19:41:24 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: i said extras-testing *or* extras-devel
Feb 05 19:41:35 <WizardNumberNext> so some more or less consistent mirror for e-t
Feb 05 19:41:48 <kerio> oh for fuck's sake DocScrutinizer, i started answering *right after the joke*
Feb 05 19:41:53 <WizardNumberNext> I can enable both and see which was used later on
Feb 05 19:42:10 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: extras-devel will be used if you enable both, but i think that the package is the same
Feb 05 19:42:19 <kerio> it's a problem with libcurl iirc
Feb 05 19:42:28 <DocScrutinizer05> next joke earns you top rank on my ignore list
Feb 05 19:42:33 <WizardNumberNext> I would rather avoid extras-devel if it is possible
Feb 05 19:42:37 <kerio> well, "problem" as in it depends on something that's not actually shipped in the cssu-testing repo
Feb 05 19:42:56 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: do it, do it....
Feb 05 19:43:04 <WizardNumberNext> then I won't be first one!
Feb 05 19:43:14 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: i'm not actually aware of any known-to-be-working extras-testing mirror
Feb 05 19:43:34 <WizardNumberNext> why I didn't hear it earlier?
Feb 05 19:44:18 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: really though, you could enable extras-devel (the good one) just for the update and immediately disable it afterwards
Feb 05 19:44:19 <WizardNumberNext> whatever, I do expect any update in any CSSU in very near future. There's too much to fix anyway
Feb 05 19:45:40 <WizardNumberNext> ok, I can do extras-devel (hear you year after ;) ) and push some buttons a little bit (pressplayontape.org) and see if it would work
Feb 05 19:46:14 <WizardNumberNext> meanwhile: anybody can give me apt line for merlin mirror of extras-devel
Feb 05 19:47:19 <merlin1991> yesus
Feb 05 19:47:19 <kerio> deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free
Feb 05 19:47:22 <merlin1991> yep
Feb 05 19:47:47 <WizardNumberNext> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWw1OpDrpI
Feb 05 19:47:54 <WizardNumberNext> ty kerio
Feb 05 19:49:33 <WizardNumberNext> added in HAM
Feb 05 19:50:07 <WizardNumberNext> not so hard, if you already know what is going where and understand what is about (ty debian)
Feb 05 19:51:27 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: any idea, if bme would be runnig, while transition would be in progress OR is it safest just to replace battery to have it off my head?
Feb 05 19:51:57 <kerio> i can't parse that
Feb 05 19:52:22 <WizardNumberNext> OK I assume second part of question as answer
Feb 05 19:52:40 <kerio> you can just charge it
Feb 05 19:52:52 <kerio> like, attach the wallcharger while updating
Feb 05 19:52:53 <WizardNumberNext> just wondering, if it is safe to do update on charger, as battery is already dead
Feb 05 19:53:07 <kerio> sure, why not
Feb 05 19:53:12 <kerio> make sure you keep it attached though
Feb 05 19:53:26 <WizardNumberNext> if it is safe, then I would leave it as it is and update as soon as HAM would finish doing exactly nothing
Feb 05 19:53:45 <kerio> you can't do anything anyway
Feb 05 19:54:06 <WizardNumberNext> i can change to another charger, which needs either my finger to pull it out or proper pliers
Feb 05 19:54:08 <kerio> HAM locks down just about everything when you do an update
Feb 05 19:54:26 <kerio> ...hold on now, what's the problem with your charger?
Feb 05 19:54:35 <WizardNumberNext> I have seen it already, so I know what I am sing up for
Feb 05 19:54:55 <WizardNumberNext> I have two AC-10X chargers - both works perfectly
Feb 05 19:55:08 <kerio> no, i meant the microusb port
Feb 05 19:55:29 <WizardNumberNext> one is very hard to remove from USB socket, so I might switch to that one just to be sure it won't be pulled by accident
Feb 05 19:56:24 <WizardNumberNext> one of them (this one, which is used as home charger) is normal and it is easy to remove from socket, but other one... it really need pliers for everybody else then me
Feb 05 19:56:32 <kerio> just... leave it be?
Feb 05 19:56:54 <WizardNumberNext> I do not plan to change anything at the moment
Feb 05 19:57:17 <WizardNumberNext> I even don't like to take any charger out of my backpack
Feb 05 19:57:58 <WizardNumberNext> I have car charger DC6 or something like that and wallcharger AC-10X in my backpack - always
Feb 05 19:58:11 * eccerr0r needs to figure out how hard it is to solder down the microusb port so that he doesn't have to worry about breaking it...
Feb 05 19:58:28 <kerio> eccerr0r: not that hard
Feb 05 19:58:30 <kerio> ~usbfix
Feb 05 19:58:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Feb 05 19:59:02 <eccerr0r> I tried opening my 5230 to see if I could fix its power problem.  That was not fun to do.
Feb 05 19:59:12 <eccerr0r> I hope the n900 isn't nearly as hard to open
Feb 05 19:59:20 <WizardNumberNext> accerr0r - not hard at all - good rosin, good tin (please no RoHS), and gas soldering iron
Feb 05 19:59:47 <WizardNumberNext> n900 is very easy to disassemble and reassemble
Feb 05 19:59:57 <eccerr0r> that's encouraging...
Feb 05 20:00:00 <WizardNumberNext> I did it to many times to give any estimate
Feb 05 20:00:48 <eccerr0r> I sanded down my microusb plugs in the meantime but really would like to make sure it won't come out...
Feb 05 20:00:53 <WizardNumberNext> last time 2 days ago, when I tried to polish digitizer using watered-down tooth-paste and made my display wet
Feb 05 20:00:56 <eccerr0r> err.. the outlet won't come out.
Feb 05 20:01:22 <WizardNumberNext> I wopul not do anything like that to USB plug
Feb 05 20:01:33 <WizardNumberNext> USB plug should be left alone
Feb 05 20:01:50 <eccerr0r> worst case it'd not hold as well, but it would be less stress on the n900
Feb 05 20:01:54 <WizardNumberNext> one of my friend squeezed it and from that time he was unable to charge his HTC
Feb 05 20:02:16 <eccerr0r> my take is, sacrifice usb cable before sacrificing n900...
Feb 05 20:02:35 <WizardNumberNext> actually pcb is perfectly able to hold it, but plug itself isn't soldered, only pins
Feb 05 20:02:37 <kerio> sanding it down is deprecated
Feb 05 20:02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> metal dust in USB plug can ruin your receptacle
Feb 05 20:02:58 <WizardNumberNext> sanding down usb plug - that's weird idea anyway
Feb 05 20:03:05 <kerio> it's easier to use a soft pencil to spread some graphite on it
Feb 05 20:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and push the latches in with your fingernail a few times, which helps wonders
Feb 05 20:03:56 <WizardNumberNext> especially after having server with tons of HDDs and only molex plugs - never try to file anything without really good reason
Feb 05 20:04:55 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: not good advice either, graphite conducts...
Feb 05 20:05:09 <kerio> that's the point
Feb 05 20:05:18 <DocScrutinizer05> USB never will come out on straight pulling out the plug. It breaks by you bending the plug
Feb 05 20:05:21 <kerio> and it will not grind on anything, because it's soft
Feb 05 20:05:31 <WizardNumberNext> but it conducts even in places which do not want to
Feb 05 20:05:47 <kerio> not between the contacts, surely
Feb 05 20:05:50 <kerio> there's no place for that
Feb 05 20:05:56 <DocScrutinizer05> a soft pencil won't go to places you don't want it
Feb 05 20:06:42 <DocScrutinizer05> we didn't suggest to use graphite dust
Feb 05 20:06:57 <WizardNumberNext> ok, leave graphite and pencil, I do not even want to think about such "hack", it makes turns in my brain go straight
Feb 05 20:07:11 <DocScrutinizer05> which would be almost as evil as metal dust from sanding
Feb 05 20:08:03 <WizardNumberNext> even worse, as it would be harder to remove - iron dust could be picked-up with magnet - do it with graphite
Feb 05 20:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
Feb 05 20:09:23 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not supposed to paint the *inside* of your USB plug with that pencil
Feb 05 20:09:34 <WizardNumberNext> I think I would spend rest of day on windows, as I want to play some games (and it is only for games)
Feb 05 20:10:04 <WizardNumberNext> man you are slowly, but very efficiently moiving me out from here for while
Feb 05 20:10:38 <WizardNumberNext> I really don't won't to argue about graphite, pencil or anything like that - leave alone usb as well
Feb 05 20:10:59 <WizardNumberNext> oh BT died again - USB doesn't work
Feb 05 20:11:12 <WizardNumberNext> it is nice it leaves my mouse working (wonder how)
Feb 05 20:11:16 <DocScrutinizer05> WizardNumberNext: then don't argue about it
Feb 05 20:11:35 <WizardNumberNext> this what I am trying for last few minutes
Feb 05 20:11:48 <WizardNumberNext> and I am trying to be as polite as I can
Feb 05 20:11:50 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry dude, you started it
Feb 05 20:12:23 <WizardNumberNext> normally, if you would stand in front of me, you might find that I am capricorn even without asking me for birthdate
Feb 05 20:12:28 <DocScrutinizer05> now that you don't like to continue it, leave it to eccerr0r, kerio, me
Feb 05 20:12:42 <WizardNumberNext> I am planning to
Feb 05 20:12:52 <WizardNumberNext> I am going to play timeshock! tw
Feb 05 20:12:59 <WizardNumberNext> s/tw/tm/
Feb 05 20:13:00 <infobot> WizardNumberNext meant: I am going to play timeshock! tm
Feb 05 20:13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> normally if you would know me for longer, you'd be amazed of my patienvce today, despite everybody trying his best to troll me
Feb 05 20:13:47 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: it doesn't work with extras-devel
Feb 05 20:13:59 <kerio> fscking domain thing
Feb 05 20:14:03 <WizardNumberNext> lost damn half-hour on extras-devel
Feb 05 20:14:13 <kerio> merlin1991: do you have write access to rmo community-testing?
Feb 05 20:14:17 <WizardNumberNext> not blaming anybody - I knew it is huge
Feb 05 20:14:35 <n900-dk> WizardNumberNext: Did the tooth-paste trick work on your digitizer or are you kiding?
Feb 05 20:14:42 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: are trying to fix it on the other side?
Feb 05 20:14:44 <kerio> or does that rely on the autobuilder?
Feb 05 20:15:02 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: i'm not trying anything, merlin1991 is the cssu-testing maintainer
Feb 05 20:15:03 <WizardNumberNext> n900-dk: toothpaste is actually quite good polisher
Feb 05 20:15:23 <n900-dk> do you have pics, before and after?
Feb 05 20:15:41 <WizardNumberNext> and yes it worked - both ways - polished it a bit (for 5 minutes it is great effect) and fck-up my display, till makeing it dry
Feb 05 20:15:53 <WizardNumberNext> no, I do not have another n900
Feb 05 20:16:05 <WizardNumberNext> I might do some pics latter on with my N95
Feb 05 20:16:29 <WizardNumberNext> but trying to get it off n95 is another trick
Feb 05 20:17:10 <n900-dk> ever heard of a camera ;)
Feb 05 20:17:15 <WizardNumberNext> but I am not going to make another try any time soon, as it needs almost complete disassemble of n900 (display have to kept dry)
Feb 05 20:17:38 <WizardNumberNext> camera? would like to have one! would donate one to me?
Feb 05 20:17:56 <n900-dk> heh, snappy comeback ;)
Feb 05 20:18:33 <WizardNumberNext> you mean SS (not offensive, just Snappy Shots)
Feb 05 20:19:04 <DocScrutinizer05> scanners make for excellent macro cameras
Feb 05 20:19:21 <kerio> only for flat things, though, right?
Feb 05 20:19:31 <WizardNumberNext> no, definitely won't help here. I am not going to dump whole 16gb uSD on desktop/server just to be able to store 12 photos
Feb 05 20:19:33 <merlin1991> kerio: cssu upload relies on an import directory
Feb 05 20:19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/
Feb 05 20:19:41 <kerio> i see
Feb 05 20:20:10 <WizardNumberNext> DocSrcutinizer05: I would try - I have 1200dpi, so should good enough
Feb 05 20:20:29 <WizardNumberNext> you mean you did those on scanner?
Feb 05 20:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 05 20:20:43 <WizardNumberNext> sorry I have too! FUCK sake
Feb 05 20:20:48 <DocScrutinizer05> not all of them, obviously
Feb 05 20:20:50 <WizardNumberNext> that is amazing then
Feb 05 20:21:07 <WizardNumberNext> I could not load most of it on n900
Feb 05 20:21:26 <WizardNumberNext> amiga came back - memory out
Feb 05 20:21:43 <WizardNumberNext> s/memory out/memory run out/
Feb 05 20:21:44 <infobot> WizardNumberNext meant: amiga came back - memory run out
Feb 05 20:22:29 <WizardNumberNext> then I am going to scan my XFX nVidia 9800 GTX+ XXX
Feb 05 20:23:32 <WizardNumberNext> but printer have to have small memory, because it doesn't allow 1200dpi from itself - you have to do it on computer (impossible as it is on 802.11 at the moment0
Feb 05 20:24:06 <WizardNumberNext> anyway it would disappear with ability to enumarate, as other devices do
Feb 05 20:24:08 <kerio> merlin1991: :(
Feb 05 20:24:39 <WizardNumberNext> no idea what's wrong with this stupid USB
Feb 05 20:24:42 <merlin1991> kerio: what?
Feb 05 20:25:51 <kerio> the cssu-testing problem
Feb 05 20:26:22 <DocScrutinizer05> btw
Feb 05 20:26:32 <WizardNumberNext> ok guys, most probably I am going to spend rest of night on sad OS, explode few heads at M$hit and generally have fun mixed with awfull taste of bad programming
Feb 05 20:26:49 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: anyway, you should still be able to disable the domain check and install it with HAM
Feb 05 20:26:55 <kerio> or... hm
Feb 05 20:27:09 <DocScrutinizer05> [general notice] merlin1991 is our new official maemo.org repository maintainer
Feb 05 20:27:15 <WizardNumberNext> should I read it or should I relax and think again about HMG
Feb 05 20:27:25 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: hahahaha nice
Feb 05 20:27:50 <DocScrutinizer05> speed appointment
Feb 05 20:28:24 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05: do you agree, should I go ahead and diable domain checks in HAM just for time being?
Feb 05 20:28:31 <kerio> it's a kludge
Feb 05 20:28:53 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: it's probably much easier to install the one package that's missing via apt
Feb 05 20:28:58 <WizardNumberNext> DocSrutinizer05: appaointemnt gone - it was so damn FAAAAST....
Feb 05 20:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a viable way to handle this mess for now
Feb 05 20:29:24 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: could you try to do the system upgrade again and see if there's some way to get the actual error?
Feb 05 20:29:24 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: first I have to know which one is missing
Feb 05 20:29:30 <kerio> indeed
Feb 05 20:29:56 <kerio> there should be a way to get HAM to display an error
Feb 05 20:30:02 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: check the log, possibly
Feb 05 20:30:04 <kerio> it's in the menu
Feb 05 20:30:12 <WizardNumberNext> ok, on it
Feb 05 20:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and even can get saved to a file
Feb 05 20:30:30 <WizardNumberNext> what? HAM is gone by itself?
Feb 05 20:30:45 <kerio> it's weird that nokia put that there, actually
Feb 05 20:30:49 <DocScrutinizer05> oh hi chanserv
Feb 05 20:30:53 <kerio> HAM is obviously perfect and can have no problems at all
Feb 05 20:31:11 <M4rtinK> something that convoluted must be perfect :)
Feb 05 20:31:22 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Feb 05 20:32:43 <DocScrutinizer05> M4rtinK: what been that package of last October that had hashsum error?
Feb 05 20:34:00 <WizardNumberNext> it is ignoring (most probably every) from "wrong domain"
Feb 05 20:34:13 <WizardNumberNext> so domain fix should/would fix that
Feb 05 20:34:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 05 20:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the idea
Feb 05 20:34:38 <DocScrutinizer05> though I don't get it which domain is "wrong"
Feb 05 20:34:39 <WizardNumberNext> if I only have this windows still opened, butI was on sad OS in meantime
Feb 05 20:35:07 <WizardNumberNext> maemo.nokika.org
Feb 05 20:35:37 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, that's the friggin key-expired problem
Feb 05 20:35:49 <WizardNumberNext> which very starnge because more often, then  not it cannot update it on ham, but apt have no damn problem with such simple task, even trough proxy
Feb 05 20:36:12 <WizardNumberNext> I was thinking same, so I was ingroning everthing from there anyway
Feb 05 20:36:19 <DocScrutinizer05> apt not checking that level of signature/trust
Feb 05 20:36:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: no, that's not the problem
Feb 05 20:36:31 <kerio> the problem is that the latest cssu-testing requires a certain version of a package
Feb 05 20:36:44 <kerio> and that version has a dependency of a certain version of another package
Feb 05 20:37:10 <WizardNumberNext> sometimes I really love depency business
Feb 05 20:37:11 <kerio> that package is already installed as a system package, and the newer version is only in extras-testing and extras-devel
Feb 05 20:37:33 <merlin1991> kerio: which packge are we talking about?
Feb 05 20:37:39 <DocScrutinizer05> who the F*** messed that up again?
Feb 05 20:37:51 <WizardNumberNext> \last time it was reason to  get back to debian 6, even though debian 7 was working much better on my monster
Feb 05 20:38:10 <DocScrutinizer05> oh hi chanserv
Feb 05 20:38:15 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: can you give us a name of a package?
Feb 05 20:38:19 <kerio> in the logs
Feb 05 20:38:26 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: extras-devel is enabled, but still nokia have same problem anyway
Feb 05 20:38:32 <kerio> yeah, yeah
Feb 05 20:38:37 <WizardNumberNext> all of them?
Feb 05 20:38:37 <kerio> what does the log say?
Feb 05 20:38:43 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: nope
Feb 05 20:38:49 <WizardNumberNext> I would be very happilly kick out for that
Feb 05 20:38:51 <kerio> also what the fuck, ChanServ
Feb 05 20:39:03 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: just pastebin the log
Feb 05 20:39:11 <kerio> http://pastebin.mozilla.org
Feb 05 20:39:24 <WizardNumberNext> I would love to: it doesn't save it
Feb 05 20:39:33 * merlin1991 bets it's an dependency on something in downloads.maemo.nokia.com
Feb 05 20:39:33 <WizardNumberNext> ok, I would try in mydocs
Feb 05 20:40:08 <WizardNumberNext> sweet-chili sauce - that a stuff
Feb 05 20:40:17 <DocScrutinizer05> oh hi chanserv
Feb 05 20:40:20 <kerio> it was either libcurl, or libssl iirc
Feb 05 20:40:29 <kerio> and apparently the services keep crashing
Feb 05 20:40:35 <WizardNumberNext> and prawns - can life be a little better? I dont't think so
Feb 05 20:41:58 <kerio> merlin1991: which packages from dmnc aren't preinstalled in fremantle?
Feb 05 20:42:36 <merlin1991> can't give you a full list, but i.e a dependency of cutetube sits there
Feb 05 20:42:56 <kerio> meh, fscking nokia
Feb 05 20:43:10 <WizardNumberNext> so, this one is solved - I have cutetube - my father installed it ages ago
Feb 05 20:43:20 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: that's not the problem, i think :)
Feb 05 20:43:40 <WizardNumberNext> me neithert
Feb 05 20:43:48 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: who's supposed to ask for permission to rehost dmnc to nokia?
Feb 05 20:43:57 <WizardNumberNext> sorry my hands are busy with prawns
Feb 05 20:44:04 <kerio> board?
Feb 05 20:44:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Feb 05 20:44:24 <WizardNumberNext> now it is updating (like apt-get update)
Feb 05 20:44:45 <WizardNumberNext> at last
Feb 05 20:45:23 <DocScrutinizer05> but nokia won't transfer that domain to us
Feb 05 20:46:02 <WizardNumberNext> ssh welcome to
Feb 05 20:46:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: yeah but we can add it with the same trust level but with different keys via cssu-enabler
Feb 05 20:46:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Feb 05 20:46:37 <kerio> as far as we can see, nokia is clearly not eager to fix the keys
Feb 05 20:46:49 <DocScrutinizer05> they are
Feb 05 20:47:14 <DocScrutinizer05> it just takes ages, like everything inside nokia
Feb 05 20:47:30 <ShadowJK> WizardNumberNext; did you figure out how to edit charge21 to your preferred settings?
Feb 05 20:47:38 <WizardNumberNext> I should say: 802.11 welcome to, before any ssh\]
Feb 05 20:48:31 <WizardNumberNext> ShadowJK: you are far better on commenting then me. Yes, I did. Thank for such usefull script
Feb 05 20:48:53 <WizardNumberNext> s/Tank/Tank you/
Feb 05 20:49:11 <WizardNumberNext> I think it is worse then it have been
Feb 05 20:50:06 <WizardNumberNext> first I eat whol,e word, then just character, but "tank you" doesn't make any of wanted senser
Feb 05 20:50:31 <WizardNumberNext> sorry, eating, dringin and laughing at myself costantnly
Feb 05 20:50:39 <kerio> you seem drunk
Feb 05 20:51:36 <WizardNumberNext> it is hard to type, while your keyboard is covered with desk, you are eating and you do not look on keyboard as you used to do, because food seam to be more atractive
Feb 05 20:51:56 <WizardNumberNext> but you might be right anyway
Feb 05 20:52:27 <WizardNumberNext> I do not deny (lion share of bottle of wine isn't so small amount)
Feb 05 20:54:04 <WizardNumberNext> so I think it would most safe for everybody to leave my migration to CSSU-testing till tomorrow (it won't escape me I think)
Feb 05 20:54:21 <WizardNumberNext> cup of wine is getting empty
Feb 05 20:54:34 <kerio> ...perhaps it would be best, yes
Feb 05 20:54:42 <WizardNumberNext> oh, so damn good - still have some in bottle
Feb 05 20:54:56 <WizardNumberNext> ..not much
Feb 05 20:55:16 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: it is plainly about my energu levels
Feb 05 20:55:30 <WizardNumberNext> I tend to wear a lot faster after wine, then without
Feb 05 20:55:38 <WizardNumberNext> I mean get tired
Feb 05 20:56:29 <WizardNumberNext> otherwise I would be able to write nuclear head soft still (I am so sorry USA, I didn't want to, I was drunk) ;)
Feb 05 20:56:35 <ShadowJK> WizardNumberNext; funny that, DocScrutinizer has on numerous occasions used "WTF" when reading those comments
Feb 05 20:57:09 <WizardNumberNext> I don't get on which point, but I suppose there was few of them
Feb 05 20:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: your roman hex notation is a bit unusual, yes ;-D
Feb 05 20:57:35 <ShadowJK> the 7-1250 6-1150 stuff
Feb 05 20:57:40 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 05 20:58:05 <WizardNumberNext> wait the second - it seamed to be obious to me
Feb 05 20:58:28 <ShadowJK> :)
Feb 05 20:58:42 <WizardNumberNext> you simply used hex notation, or like others used those parts of byte which counts for that particular function
Feb 05 20:58:51 <WizardNumberNext> I have seen it many times previously
Feb 05 20:58:59 <ShadowJK> It'd looked very different had I known sh can do binary arithmetic :)
Feb 05 20:59:06 <wirr> any experience with tinymail/camel libs anyone?
Feb 05 20:59:40 <WizardNumberNext> bash especially - it is very capable and most probably we still don't how much it can do for us
Feb 05 20:59:53 <WizardNumberNext> last one wasn't joke!
Feb 05 21:00:19 <WizardNumberNext> wirr, I am eager, but not wise enough
Feb 05 21:00:20 <kerio> i prefer using an actual programming language
Feb 05 21:00:37 <WizardNumberNext> kerio: it depends on your point of view
Feb 05 21:00:49 <kerio> or perhaps a better programming language
Feb 05 21:00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
Feb 05 21:01:02 <WizardNumberNext> look on bash like PL and you'll see much more then PL only
Feb 05 21:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> since bashscript *is* a programming language
Feb 05 21:01:39 <wirr> WielkiTost, yep you seem _very_ eager
Feb 05 21:01:44 <kerio> the stdlib kinda sucks though
Feb 05 21:01:49 <kerio> and there's no proper standard for it
Feb 05 21:01:57 <wirr> s/WielkiTos/WizardNumberNext/
Feb 05 21:01:57 <infobot> wirr meant: WizardNumberNextt, yep you seem _very_ eager
Feb 05 21:02:08 <WizardNumberNext> at least it is considered as PL by some people - I am bit on edge of such decision, but I used Shell Scripts from 1996, so I really like it many ways
Feb 05 21:02:31 <kerio> for instance, gnu grep vs bsd grep
Feb 05 21:02:48 <WizardNumberNext> wirr?!?! are you polish or something? How did you get Wielki there?
Feb 05 21:03:05 * wirr thinks autocompletion sucks
Feb 05 21:03:33 <WizardNumberNext> he is typing from polish correcting OS
Feb 05 21:03:48 <ShadowJK> kerio; busybox sh surely can't be less real than js, the new official Gnome programming language.
Feb 05 21:04:03 <tadzik> WizardNumberNext: WielkiTOst is a user here
Feb 05 21:04:04 <DocScrutinizer05> WizardNumberNext: nick autocompletion
Feb 05 21:04:09 <WizardNumberNext> how is that? I avoid contact with polsih people and they always seem to find me EVERYWHERE!@
Feb 05 21:04:14 <kerio> ShadowJK: i don't personally like it, but apparently ecmascript6 is quite powerful
Feb 05 21:04:18 <tadzik> still, there seems to be plenty of us Polish over here
Feb 05 21:04:35 <kerio> and busybox sh is a sad state of affairs
Feb 05 21:04:42 <WizardNumberNext> no offence - I just want to better with english
Feb 05 21:04:58 <ShadowJK> kerio; atleast I havent found any bugs in busybox sh yet
Feb 05 21:05:09 <WizardNumberNext> it is good to have explaination for everything
Feb 05 21:05:11 <kerio> i don't quite like the prototyping system as opposed to defining classes, but...
Feb 05 21:05:19 * ShadowJK found NetBSD sh buggy enough to cause issues
Feb 05 21:05:27 <WizardNumberNext> busybox - I never really liked it
Feb 05 21:05:29 <kerio> ShadowJK: as opposed to? javascript? gnome's javascript?
Feb 05 21:05:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: haha, no bugs in messybox?
Feb 05 21:05:43 <WizardNumberNext> no offence - I just dislike BB in general
Feb 05 21:06:25 <WizardNumberNext> I use bash3 on desktop and (surprisingly enough) bash4 on n900
Feb 05 21:06:32 <ShadowJK> kerio; i'm just saying as far as sh implementations go, I've never personally encountered a bug in busybox, but have encountered them in other implementations :)
Feb 05 21:06:52 <kerio> oh, busybox is quite excellent in what it does
Feb 05 21:06:56 <kerio> it's just that what it does sucks
Feb 05 21:06:59 <ShadowJK> Also NetBSD's sh gets quite a lot of testing, half their build system is written in it
Feb 05 21:07:04 <ShadowJK> (other half in make)
Feb 05 21:07:10 <ShadowJK> dependencies and all
Feb 05 21:07:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ShadowJK: there's been at least one, which caused fremantle-PR1.0 initscripts cause bootloop when you replaced messybox by proper unixtools
Feb 05 21:07:28 <DocScrutinizer05> (bug in messybox that is)
Feb 05 21:07:56 <WizardNumberNext> whatever, for me being unable to invoke 'ping -s 65517 -i0.2 -f some.ip' as usert is a bug
Feb 05 21:07:58 <kerio> by the way, shouldn't scripts that depend on busyboxisms use ash as their interpreter?
Feb 05 21:08:14 <kerio> WizardNumberNext: how about not having a working `su`?
Feb 05 21:08:35 <kerio> also, install ping from fremantle/tools
Feb 05 21:08:41 <WizardNumberNext> su comes from BB?
Feb 05 21:08:44 <kerio> yep
Feb 05 21:08:52 <kerio> and doesn't work, because busybox isn't suid root
Feb 05 21:08:58 <kerio> (thankfully)
Feb 05 21:09:20 <WizardNumberNext> |I use ping from somewhere else, as BB ping is crap for me - needs root to ping even myself?
Feb 05 21:09:25 <WizardNumberNext> that is madness
Feb 05 21:09:36 <kerio> ping does, indeed, need root access
Feb 05 21:09:45 <kerio> to open the raw socket to send ICMP packets
Feb 05 21:09:55 <WizardNumberNext> I even don't won't to see what BB can do to OS while being SUID!
Feb 05 21:09:56 <kerio> that's why it's usually suid root
Feb 05 21:10:03 <kerio> like, everywhere
Feb 05 21:10:20 <WizardNumberNext> wait - I never checked to be honest
Feb 05 21:10:42 <WizardNumberNext> but it same difference - you want to use it you still have to be root
Feb 05 21:11:05 <ShadowJK> ping needs root privs, period. :)
Feb 05 21:11:22 <WizardNumberNext> actually kernel have support for ICMP, but I never checked, if it is bth ways support
Feb 05 21:11:59 <WizardNumberNext> but it is still weird to become root just to ping other side of air
Feb 05 21:12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> messybox can't have root privs, exclamation mark
Feb 05 21:12:07 <WizardNumberNext> or cable
Feb 05 21:12:49 <WizardNumberNext> DocScrutinizer05: I agree
Feb 05 21:13:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: messybox certainly can have suid root, it's a file - perhaps you meant that it mustn't, exclamation mark and ~2119
Feb 05 21:13:36 <kerio> (does it at least drop the priviledges asap, i wonder)
Feb 05 21:13:45 <WizardNumberNext> anyway I am going to screw myself with worst OS I ever have seen - M$hit winAwe
Feb 05 21:13:56 <WizardNumberNext> see yea, guys
Feb 05 21:14:10 <WizardNumberNext> I am going to wash my brain
Feb 05 21:14:19 <kerio> hm, it does
Feb 05 21:14:52 <kerio> well, at least there's that
Feb 05 21:15:35 <WizardNumberNext> hibernation failed
Feb 05 21:15:42 <WizardNumberNext> adaucious to blame
Feb 05 21:16:29 <WizardNumberNext> what this time?
Feb 05 21:18:13 <kerio> less noise please
Feb 05 21:34:55 <kerio> man, that guy is *extenuating*
Feb 05 21:35:32 <kerio> merlin1991: it's been more than one hour since you've become the maintainer, and the repos aren't fixed yet!
Feb 05 21:36:17 <merlin1991> kerio: :D
Feb 05 21:36:50 <merlin1991> I can't do anything untill I know how the repos work and there's no docs, so I'll have to wait for that "knowledge transfer"
Feb 05 21:39:00 <ShadowJK> merlin1991: you're doing it wrong
Feb 05 21:39:41 <ShadowJK> merlin1991: you're supposed to set an out-of-office reply saying "Happy <made up or obscure holiday>!", and go to the pub until Tuesday :D
Feb 05 21:39:58 <kerio> dammit ShadowJK he didn't need to know that
Feb 05 21:41:50 <ShadowJK> :D
Feb 05 21:42:08 <kerio> ShadowJK: hold on, today is tuesday
Feb 05 21:43:07 <ShadowJK> Not THIS tuesday, obviously
Feb 05 21:51:02 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: it was cutetube 1.4.1
Feb 05 22:04:36 <ccxCZ> any pointers for setting up usb-net on N900?
Feb 05 22:05:38 <ccxCZ> nvm, wiki looks good :]
Feb 05 22:09:13 <kerio> ccxCZ: as a "client"?
Feb 05 22:09:36 <ccxCZ> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking seems exactly like what I want
Feb 05 22:09:50 <kerio> meh
Feb 05 22:11:27 <ccxCZ> you have more exciting approach?
Feb 05 22:11:42 <kerio> it depends, what do you want to do with it?
Feb 05 22:14:43 <kerio> if you're just connecting to something that's sharing a connection, libicd-network-usb
Feb 05 22:16:24 <ccxCZ> I want to access rsyncd and sshd running on the device
Feb 05 22:17:01 <ccxCZ> possibly adding more services via xinetd so I don't have to encrypt stuff unnecessarily
Feb 05 22:17:02 <kerio> so you don't actually care about accessing the internet through usb?
Feb 05 22:17:11 <kerio> then just ifup usb0
Feb 05 22:17:46 <kerio> and configure your computer to use 192.168.2.14
Feb 05 22:19:21 <teotwaki> NO!
Feb 05 22:19:25 <teotwaki> That's my IP!
Feb 05 22:19:56 <M4rtinK> no no no, MY
Feb 05 22:20:37 <ccxCZ> well, I have the .2.0/24 occupied , but I'll just change it in the /etc/network/interfaces
Feb 05 22:20:41 <kerio> indeed
Feb 05 22:20:59 <ShadowJK> That used to be my ip for SLIP
Feb 05 22:22:15 <ccxCZ> will play with routes later, so far I just want it syncing my data well
Feb 05 22:22:19 <kerio> my lan is 192.168.42.0/24
Feb 05 22:22:24 <kerio> :D
Feb 05 22:22:37 <ShadowJK> dude that's MY lan
Feb 05 22:22:41 <ShadowJK> srs
Feb 05 22:22:42 <kerio> nuh uh
Feb 05 22:22:48 <kerio> i paid for it
Feb 05 22:22:59 <kerio> i'll sue you for copyright infringement!
Feb 05 22:23:09 <kerio> on the number 42
Feb 05 22:23:23 <ShadowJK> dont tell me you also run VPN in 10.0.1.0/24
Feb 05 22:23:28 <kerio> i don't have a vpn
Feb 05 22:24:51 <ShadowJK> maybe ill switch lan to 10.42.42.0/24 now
Feb 05 22:26:37 <ccxCZ> kerio: no such device error when doing ifup usb0
Feb 05 22:26:44 <kerio> ccxCZ: is g_nokia loaded?
Feb 05 22:28:04 <ccxCZ> I get Device or resource busy when modprobing that
Feb 05 22:28:23 <kerio> only one gadget module can be loaded at any given time
Feb 05 22:28:32 <kerio> if g_nokia isn't loaded, then g_file_storage is loaded
Feb 05 22:28:38 <kerio> just tap "pc suite mode" in the usb ui
Feb 05 22:28:53 <kerio> then, if you want, you could disconnect the cable and reconnect it
Feb 05 22:29:05 <kerio> so it exits pc-suite mode, but g_nokia is still loaded
Feb 05 22:30:46 <kerio> or just be in pc-suite mode
Feb 05 22:33:56 <ccxCZ> kthnx, seems to work now, had to ifdown and ifup, probably because of the incomplete ifup with wrong module
Feb 05 22:34:08 <ccxCZ> gtg, thanks for help
Feb 05 23:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> haha, our repo uplink just temporarily dropped to 17Mbps (for 1s). then again to 18Mbps
Feb 05 23:12:28 <DocScrutinizer05> generally we're ~22Mbps now
Feb 05 23:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> with peaks to 30
Feb 05 23:13:03 <kerio> the important thing is that we have enough, i suppose
Feb 05 23:13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> 260 connections
Feb 05 23:14:12 <DocScrutinizer05> 2 days ago we had >4000
Feb 05 23:16:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess everybody got his update resp mirror now and feels happy
Feb 05 23:17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome
Feb 05 23:21:59 <eccerr0r> ls
Feb 05 23:25:43 <DocScrutinizer05> 188.117.59.205                                                        => 91.22x.2x.10x                                                         21.3Mb  18.5Mb  13.9Mb
Feb 05 23:26:04 <DocScrutinizer05> this dude seems to start over from beginning when finished
Feb 05 23:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> or it's a national NAT
Feb 05 23:29:13 <DocScrutinizer05> http://tica.com.ua/ meh
Feb 05 23:34:41 <DocScrutinizer05> geoIP says Moscow
Feb 05 23:37:31 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, mts/tica are heavily nat'd
Feb 05 23:37:47 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Feb 05 23:55:16 <r00t|home> if they use nat anyway, why don't they throw in a transparent proxy... ;)
Feb 05 23:58:54 <kerio> in soviet russia, address translates you
Feb 06 00:01:37 <DocScrutinizer05> r00t|home: seems they do, that IP kicks in like mad (>20Mb/s) then 10min later it's gone again
Feb 06 00:02:34 <teotwaki> well, admittedly, that's 1.5GB of data, also :)
Feb 06 00:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> teotwaki: anyway, seems you could re-enable your mirror sync
Feb 06 00:04:39 <teotwaki> is there a point?
Feb 06 00:04:44 <teotwaki> Nobody has been using it of late
Feb 06 00:04:51 <teotwaki> Less than 200 hits over the past week.
Feb 06 00:04:56 <DocScrutinizer05> though not much use in syncing - nuttin changed
Feb 06 00:05:37 <teotwaki> I'll leave it as it is for the time being
Feb 06 00:05:54 <teotwaki> once it gets really out of sync, or you guys are less hammered, I'll turn it back on
Feb 06 00:09:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I'll drop a note when autobuilder got fixed so anything *might* change in extras-devel
Feb 06 00:14:16 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: really looking forward to that ! :)
Feb 06 00:14:32 <M4rtinK> DocScrutinizer05: let me know if you need something tested, etc.
Feb 06 00:15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> sure. thanks!
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