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Feb 08 04:19:17 <thedead1440> sorry for the spam but can this message be seen?
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Feb 08 04:19:58 <thedead1440> ah thanks SpeedEvil because every channel I'm in most people have quit with the message "DocScrutinizer51 [~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has quit [*.net *.split]"
Feb 08 04:21:00 <SpeedEvil> there was a split
Feb 08 04:21:31 <SpeedEvil> one of the servers that some people are connected to has become disconnected from the main netowkr
Feb 08 04:22:11 <thedead1440> ah i see no wonder; thanks!
Feb 08 06:44:47 <WizardNumberNext> migration to CSSU-testing successful.
Feb 08 06:44:50 <WizardNumberNext> < out
Feb 08 06:52:32 <aldy> helo
Feb 08 08:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> tzzz
Feb 08 08:01:30 <kerio> μ, doc
Feb 08 08:04:08 <trecky> hello
Feb 08 08:04:21 <trecky> just compiled bitchx on my n900 - testing it - seems to work :)
Feb 08 08:04:54 <trecky> whois topro 
Feb 08 08:05:08 <kerio> why not irssi? :/
Feb 08 08:06:01 <trecky> irssi - have to try it - just knew bitchx from long time ago i used to use irc
Feb 08 08:07:35 <trekky_> hola
Feb 08 08:08:15 <DocScrutinizer05> TX:             cum:    239MB   peak:   38.9Mb                                                                                        rates:   13.4Mb  15.5Mb  23.7Mb
Feb 08 08:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> RX:                    5.82MB            841kb                                                                                                  425kb   469kb   613kb
Feb 08 08:08:50 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: the worst seems over, doesn't it
Feb 08 08:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Feb 08 08:13:58 <n900-dk> merlin1991: Are you having trouble building a new packages list for extras?
Feb 08 08:16:04 <DocScrutinizer05> n900-dk: no, merlin1991is "afk"
Feb 08 08:16:21 <DocScrutinizer05> he will look into it this evening
Feb 08 08:18:40 <n900-dk> excellent :)
Feb 08 08:24:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~supl
Feb 08 08:24:35 <topro> someone asking forme?
Feb 08 08:24:38 <topro> for me
Feb 08 08:25:29 <kerio> "afk", aka sleeping
Feb 08 08:25:46 <kerio> no, actually, maybe he's doing something
Feb 08 08:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo supl is <reply> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen
Feb 08 08:26:00 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Feb 08 08:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> topro: kerio: ???
Feb 08 08:27:32 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: merlin1991 is on travel
Feb 08 08:32:23 <kerio> how dare he travel when we have packages to fix
Feb 08 08:32:31 <kerio> the nerve of such people!
Feb 08 09:08:31 <kerio> ok, ext4 take 2
Feb 08 09:22:55 <kerio> hahahahaha, this is magnificent
Feb 08 09:23:05 <kerio> unpacking the optfs backup took less than a second
Feb 08 09:23:10 <kerio> and now the sync is taking ages :D
Feb 08 10:08:09 <t4nk467> hey guys, can you please tell me how can i install some cool games on my n900?
Feb 08 10:09:07 <kerio> t4nk467: cool games as in...?
Feb 08 10:10:21 <t4nk467> like need for speed and stuff
Feb 08 10:11:30 <t4nk467> like the cool games on apple...?
Feb 08 10:11:38 <kerio> hahahahahahaahahaaaaahahahahaha
Feb 08 10:11:39 <kerio> heh
Feb 08 10:11:44 <kerio> :(
Feb 08 10:12:11 <t4nk467> it's funny, right... can u say something or not?
Feb 08 10:15:43 <kerio> t4nk467: apart for angry birds, there's pretty much no native "mainstream" game
Feb 08 10:15:48 <kerio> there's plenty of emulators
Feb 08 10:15:54 <joga> coolest games on n900 imo: install DrNokSnes and get some classic roms :p
Feb 08 10:15:54 <kerio> including stuff like dosbox or scummvm
Feb 08 10:16:20 <kerio> joga: which engine does it use?
Feb 08 10:16:27 <t4nk467> so there isn't games like those for androids and stuff
Feb 08 10:16:44 <joga> I don't know the details, it backgrounds nicely but crashes in some cases
Feb 08 10:16:48 <kerio> t4nk467: if you're willing to tinker a bit, there's a lot of the games for android :)
Feb 08 10:16:54 <kerio> look up apkenv
Feb 08 10:17:10 <kerio> it's an emulation layer for android games
Feb 08 10:17:27 <t4nk467> how can i install it?
Feb 08 10:18:06 <kerio> read http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CD8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftalk.maemo.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D87496&ei=1dAUUerhN4uyhAe0yoG4Aw&usg=AFQjCNE7KnYXVkDGnMK1PwnC7sF-jywl4w
Feb 08 10:18:11 <kerio> whoops, sorry
Feb 08 10:18:15 <kerio> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87496
Feb 08 10:19:12 <t4nk467> thanks, i'll read it 
Feb 08 10:22:38 <t4nk467> sorry i cant get it... its an app for installing games or what?
Feb 08 10:23:29 <kerio> kinda, yeah
Feb 08 10:23:51 <t4nk467> i dont know how to download it it and then install it
Feb 08 11:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm he's gone. I was just about to honestly suggest he should consider offering a swap N900<->$android-phone here, if his N900 is in good condition
Feb 08 11:04:32 <kerio> would you take his hypothetical offer? :D
Feb 08 12:04:50 <ccxCZ> how much of non-free software/firmware would I have to leave in place if I didn't care for UI as long as I got working X11?
Feb 08 12:05:09 <Hurrian> cczCZ: 0 non-free firmware.
Feb 08 12:05:36 <ccxCZ> that's a good news
Feb 08 12:05:39 <Hurrian> You can get to OMAP frame buffer without the firmware.
Feb 08 12:05:57 <ccxCZ> what about audio and gsm?
Feb 08 12:06:18 <ccxCZ> I don't care about gsm much, but I'd want working audio, wifi and powermanagement
Feb 08 12:07:10 <jacekowski> power management is done by closed BME
Feb 08 12:07:10 <Hurrian> GSM can be interfaced with using Ofono, see how it's done on Nemo
Feb 08 12:07:26 <Hurrian> Same with audio, it's done by snd-soc-tlvsomethingsomething.
Feb 08 12:07:35 <jacekowski> firmware in rapuyama is closed though
Feb 08 12:07:47 <ccxCZ> n900 btw
Feb 08 12:08:02 <jacekowski> and audio is shit without some nokia modules
Feb 08 12:08:06 <Hurrian> jacekowski, BME's not 100% needed though, if you can get Linux to properly manage processes, and if the kernel has proper Smartreflex layer support
Feb 08 12:08:29 <jacekowski> smartreflex is broken as far as i know
Feb 08 12:08:31 <jacekowski> and can't be fixed
Feb 08 12:08:40 <ccxCZ> what's BME?
Feb 08 12:08:51 <jacekowski> Battery Management Entitiy
Feb 08 12:09:13 <ccxCZ> a separate chip?
Feb 08 12:09:18 <Hurrian> nah, it's software
Feb 08 12:09:32 <jacekowski> controlling BQ2410
Feb 08 12:09:34 <jacekowski> 24150
Feb 08 12:09:52 <Hurrian> jacekowski, freemangordon's done most of the tuning for SR, it works pretty okay on stock frequencies
Feb 08 12:10:06 <Hurrian> Without BME, it even works perfectly fine on 2.6.28 kernel
Feb 08 12:10:23 <Hurrian> The same cannot be said about the 2.6.37 Nemo kernel, or Skry's 3.x kernels
Feb 08 12:11:04 <Hurrian> It's about the board support for powering on/off some stuff, which is still missing, and likely will forever be missing
Feb 08 12:12:26 <ccxCZ> well, for now I'd just like to strip out all unnecessary stuff that's proprietary, like replacing the stock player with mpd etc.
Feb 08 12:12:47 <Hurrian> ccxCZ: in that case, you're better off building a Debian rootfs to boot off
Feb 08 12:12:50 <jacekowski> there is opensource player replacement
Feb 08 12:12:54 <kerio> afaik only the ui is closed
Feb 08 12:12:54 <jacekowski> by mohhamadag
Feb 08 12:12:58 <kerio> and openmediaplayer is open :)
Feb 08 12:13:18 <Hurrian> jacekowski, I think he's planning on going fully-FOSS system on the N900
Feb 08 12:13:33 <ccxCZ> I'd still prefer mpd :-)
Feb 08 12:13:40 <jacekowski> rapuyama is closed
Feb 08 12:13:43 <kerio> good luck not blowing up your speakers and not having any kind of graphical acceleration
Feb 08 12:13:45 <kerio> and also no gps
Feb 08 12:13:47 <kerio> and no phone
Feb 08 12:13:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Hurrian: wtf got SR to do with BME?
Feb 08 12:13:54 <ccxCZ> the tracker/player combo here sucks badly
Feb 08 12:14:10 <ccxCZ> getting stuck on loads of files on sd probably
Feb 08 12:14:10 <jacekowski> nothing
Feb 08 12:14:16 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer05, nothing, SR was just brought up as something broken
Feb 08 12:14:35 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-02-08 13:08:06] <Hurrian> jacekowski, BME's not 100% needed though, if you can get Linux to properly manage processes, and if the kernel has proper Smartreflex layer support
Feb 08 12:15:58 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer05, I was talking about power management on the N900 - works okay without BME, as long as the kernel can properly manage the board's power
Feb 08 12:16:15 <ccxCZ> well, I'm not going to throw stuff out anytime soon if that'd break usability
Feb 08 12:16:24 <Hurrian> What does, and doesn't have proper PM is evident when running Nemo vs Fremantle
Feb 08 12:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> Hurrian: that's a rather weird statement
Feb 08 12:16:59 <Hurrian> ccxCZ: A "free-only" Hildon-desktop would kill usability.
Feb 08 12:18:13 <Hurrian> You're likely looking at Debian Squeeze + 2.6.28 kernel + Ofono + Nemo dialer
Feb 08 12:18:24 <ccxCZ> I'm fine with dwm and terminal. I don't care about gsm atm. But the rest of hw functions I'd like to keep intact, even if it means having cli-tools only
Feb 08 12:18:48 <ccxCZ> mainly battery life
Feb 08 12:19:35 <Hurrian> Well, IR, Bluetooth and WiFi would work (BT and WiFi needing firmware though). Battery life would be moderately okay under 2.6.28 and Squeeze.
Feb 08 12:19:56 <Hurrian> I'd say 8 hours of moderate use, if you can get the screen to turn off.
Feb 08 12:20:45 <ccxCZ> what would stock maemo last under your moderate use?
Feb 08 12:20:54 <ccxCZ> I'm just looking at possibilities here
Feb 08 12:20:57 <Hurrian> Hmm. 1 and a half day.
Feb 08 12:21:11 <ccxCZ> that's a major downgrade then
Feb 08 12:21:34 <Hurrian> The N900 never really ran perfectly with any other platform than Fremantle.
Feb 08 12:21:56 <Hurrian> It's the tradeoff you assume when running a roll-your-own system.
Feb 08 12:24:32 <ccxCZ> how much of fremantle has to be preserved to mantain such battery life? kernel + BME + nokia audio thingamajig?
Feb 08 12:26:25 <Hurrian> Nobody really knows, although the magic sauce may have something to do with ohmd.
Feb 08 12:26:40 <jacekowski> BME is only charging really
Feb 08 12:26:45 * ccxCZ really misses ipv6
Feb 08 12:26:47 <jacekowski> so you don't need that for battery life
Feb 08 12:27:12 <Hurrian> ccxCZ, Pali's patched icd2 for native IPv6 support.
Feb 08 12:27:47 <jacekowski> does anybody know what happened to mohammadag?
Feb 08 12:28:24 <ccxCZ> ohmd, icd2 ... too many acronyms :-(
Feb 08 12:28:43 <ccxCZ> is there a comprehensive list of software components?
Feb 08 12:32:23 <Hurrian> ccxCZ: the big ones: DSME, BME, icd2, ohmd, rtcom-*, hildon*, tracker and fmtxd.
Feb 08 12:36:15 <ccxCZ> hildon is the ui/widget set, right?
Feb 08 12:37:24 <ccxCZ> ok, it's clearer now
Feb 08 12:39:06 <kerio> Estel_: i has a ext4 :D
Feb 08 12:45:45 <ccxCZ> how up to date is this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture
Feb 08 12:53:25 <DocScrutinizer05> jacekowski: he's a rare guest in those dark edges of IRC recently
Feb 08 13:03:14 <Hurrian> ccxCZ: that's quite confusing
Feb 08 13:03:27 <Hurrian> but it's a pretty good, if unspecific list of closed crap
Feb 08 13:36:02 <ccxCZ> is there inotify in stock kernel?
Feb 08 13:36:41 <teotwaki> doubt it.
Feb 08 13:38:28 <ccxCZ> I assume there's no easy way to build stock-like kernel with few more bits enabled
Feb 08 13:42:47 <cehteh> ccxCZ: why dont you just use the power kernel?
Feb 08 13:43:01 <ccxCZ> because I don't know about it?
Feb 08 13:43:23 <cehteh> haha .. ok google for it
Feb 08 13:43:32 <cehteh> its in extras(-devel?)
Feb 08 13:43:38 <cehteh> almost everyone uses it
Feb 08 13:44:07 <ccxCZ> yay, looks great
Feb 08 13:44:33 <cehteh> if you dont know about 'backup menu' .. install that too btw
Feb 08 13:44:59 <cehteh> (just to point out .. unfortunally you can not restore/rollback a kernel with it)
Feb 08 13:45:55 <ccxCZ> got backupmenu already, thanks
Feb 08 13:46:36 <ccxCZ> I guess I should set repositories back from backups to official ones first
Feb 08 13:47:32 <ccxCZ> stable or unstable? http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power
Feb 08 13:49:46 <cehteh> your decision
Feb 08 13:51:03 <ccxCZ> ah, I got -devel already so it will pull the testing one by default
Feb 08 13:59:51 <ccxCZ> hrm, got hashsum errors again, on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Feb 08 14:00:01 <ccxCZ> DocScrutinizer05: ↑
Feb 08 14:01:02 <ccxCZ> ~mirrors
Feb 08 14:01:02 <infobot> i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
Feb 08 14:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ccxCZ: there are hashsum errors on all mirrors incl original r.m.o
Feb 08 14:02:15 <DocScrutinizer05> for some pkgs in extras-devel
Feb 08 14:02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991 will look into it this evening
Feb 08 14:03:14 <DocScrutinizer05> those hashsum errors seem to date back as far as 2012-10-10, possibly farther
Feb 08 14:03:29 <ccxCZ> so should I leave extras-devel on skeiron and the regular extras on r.m.o?
Feb 08 14:04:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno of anythin in skeiron being much better egarding hashsum issue
Feb 08 14:04:48 <DocScrutinizer05> one mirror might have hashsum errors with one set of pkgs while another repo might have a different set of pks that throw error
Feb 08 14:05:00 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik none is supposed to be 100% error free
Feb 08 14:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> use whatever works for you, right ATM. We're about to investigate the issue
Feb 08 14:06:08 <ccxCZ> kthnx
Feb 08 14:06:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Feb 08 14:06:24 <kerio> extras-devel.merlin1991.at is supposed to be 100% error free
Feb 08 14:06:30 <kerio> :3
Feb 08 14:14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> how comes?
Feb 08 14:14:39 <kerio> it's not a mirror
Feb 08 14:14:57 <kerio> it's a rerepositorying
Feb 08 14:15:14 <kerio> it builds its own Packages file
Feb 08 14:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> it's just a mirror of r.m.o that has had errors since obviously months
Feb 08 14:15:22 <kerio> nope
Feb 08 14:15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Feb 08 14:15:26 <DocScrutinizer05> k
Feb 08 14:15:54 <kerio> at worst the import of the latest packages went wrong, but what's in the repo will work
Feb 08 14:16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> well, my poor brain is running on limit of memory bandwidth since 8 weeks
Feb 08 14:16:55 <DocScrutinizer05> memory as in RAM
Feb 08 14:17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid it will start swapping soon
Feb 08 14:17:26 <thedead1440> DocScrutinizer05: ask Hetzner to add one more dedi to current set-up hence more memory would be gotten
Feb 08 14:17:34 <kerio> haha
Feb 08 14:17:51 <kerio> that would increase the memory requirements, not reduce them
Feb 08 14:17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> thedead1440: I'm not hosted at Hetzner
Feb 08 14:17:53 <ccxCZ> I swap out constantly, that's why taskwarrior was one of the first things I got running on the n900
Feb 08 14:18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> skynet is a distributed network
Feb 08 14:18:24 <thedead1440> hehe
Feb 08 14:18:42 <ccxCZ> ah, install finished
Feb 08 14:19:24 <kerio> Redundant Array of Inexpensive Robot Overlords
Feb 08 14:20:51 <ccxCZ> :D
Feb 08 16:03:29 * DocScrutinizer05 suspends a node that just tried to kick kerio
Feb 08 16:03:40 <kerio> ?
Feb 08 16:04:07 <DocScrutinizer05> j7k
Feb 08 16:04:09 <kerio> what for? :(
Feb 08 16:04:14 <Aoyagi> Advertising.
Feb 08 16:04:33 <kerio> i can be more annoying if you want :3
Feb 08 16:04:38 <kerio> so you'll have an excuse
Feb 08 16:04:54 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, that node been malfunctioning
Feb 08 16:05:22 <DocScrutinizer05> located on some remote russian server
Feb 08 16:06:34 <Aoyagi> Why doesn't that surprise me.
Feb 08 16:06:39 * DocScrutinizer05 waves for 112 min
Feb 08 16:06:48 <kerio> just do what tpb does
Feb 08 16:07:20 <kerio> encrypt everything, require a connection with a heartbeat server at least once every two hours, piss off RIAA
Feb 08 16:36:19 <Aoyagi> http://youtu.be/XvIg5MK-8yY might interest even someone here
Feb 08 16:37:27 <Estel_> kerio, nice, how can I help u? :P
Feb 08 16:38:01 <Aoyagi> Four principles for the open world - Don Tapscott
Feb 08 17:34:42 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: could we postpone meeting 30 min please? Could you announce on #maemo-meeting in 26min? MT will be late, iv will be missing, i'm in a pinch with time
Feb 08 17:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> or anybody else
Feb 08 17:44:19 <kerio> Estel_: how have you modified backupmenu?
Feb 08 17:50:25 <kerio> Estel_: also, don't trust rescueOS's e2fsprogs
Feb 08 17:52:56 <kerio> 1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB) copied, 59,1781 s, 18,1 MB/s
Feb 08 17:52:58 <kerio> ahhahahahahahahahaha
Feb 08 17:53:28 <kerio> and the sync ended in very, very little time
Feb 08 17:53:31 <kerio> what the balls
Feb 08 17:53:50 <kerio> ShadowJK: explanation pls
Feb 08 17:54:11 <kerio> i just dd'd a 1gb file of zeroes in my home
Feb 08 17:54:20 <kerio> and it took *way* less time than it should've
Feb 08 17:55:24 <int_ua> sorry if already known, but:  are repos back online?
Feb 08 17:55:42 <kerio> int_ua: yep, but they're in a bad state
Feb 08 17:55:48 <kerio> like, the actual repos
Feb 08 17:55:56 <kerio> or, rather, some actual repos
Feb 08 17:56:05 <kerio> ...pretty much just extras-devel
Feb 08 17:56:07 * int_ua watches TPB AFK
Feb 08 17:56:50 <int_ua> kerio: thanks :)
Feb 08 18:13:01 <Estel_> kerio,  yes, I'vwe modified backupmenu and in many ways
Feb 08 18:13:11 <Estel_> i.e. mounting options should be altered too
Feb 08 18:13:14 <Estel_> and mount-opts
Feb 08 18:13:17 <Estel_> for maemo
Feb 08 18:13:25 <Estel_> for disabling barriers etc
Feb 08 18:14:01 <Estel_> best settings from my experience (some provide default values, just in case smth in Maemo is outdated and doesn't have that defaults yet - won't hurt putting them into mount options)
Feb 08 18:14:42 <Estel_> rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,data=writeback,extents,journal_async_commit,barrier=0,orlov,nobh
Feb 08 18:15:10 <Estel_> everything mounted as ext4 on my device - be it during boot time, or backupmenu, or Easy debian, or... uses those options
Feb 08 18:15:26 <Estel_> + backupmeny is altered to format partition the fixed way, with stripes etc
Feb 08 18:16:21 <Estel_> btw my backupmenu is modified to use --lzma compression instead of gzip, too
Feb 08 18:16:45 <kerio> nodiratime is implied by noatime, nobh is deprecated and never reall worked, orlov doesn't even appear in my /proc/mounts
Feb 08 18:17:10 <kerio> extents is a property of the FS, not of the mount options
Feb 08 18:17:43 <kerio> and hm, no commit=<some high value>?
Feb 08 18:33:09 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm ... is there a maximum nick length?
Feb 08 18:33:33 <Estel_> kerio,  orlov definitelly works on ext4 :P
Feb 08 18:33:45 <Estel_> and appear ony my mounts
Feb 08 18:34:17 <tyjnbvftydcfyhgf> yes
Feb 08 18:34:28 <tyjnbvftydcfyhgf> it's maximum allowed nick length
Feb 08 18:35:08 <sixwheeledbeast> 16 chars .. ta
Feb 08 18:35:15 <Estel_> kerio,  as for nodiratime and noatime at the same time, i copied it from vanilla maemo ext3 mount options
Feb 08 18:36:05 <Estel_> make it 6wheeledbeast
Feb 08 18:36:07 <Estel_> :P
Feb 08 18:36:10 * RST38h yawns
Feb 08 18:36:46 <sixwheeledbeast> looking to group additional nicks for n900's
Feb 08 18:37:04 <kerio> Estel_: home_opts="rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback"
Feb 08 18:37:06 <sixwheeledbeast> it's k I have 1 char to play with
Feb 08 18:37:09 <kerio> in my /etc/default/mount-opts
Feb 08 18:37:15 <kerio> sixwheeledbeast: just use a bouncer
Feb 08 18:37:25 <sixwheeledbeast> kerio: ?
Feb 08 18:41:56 <Estel_> kerio,  no idea, my /mount used to show smth different
Feb 08 18:42:06 <Estel_> aka $: mount
Feb 08 18:42:17 <Estel_> used to show both noatime and nodiratime
Feb 08 18:42:53 <Estel_> and I don't like setting commit too high
Feb 08 18:43:01 <Estel_> we want to have working and healthy journal
Feb 08 18:43:09 <Estel_> as fsck doesn't have chances to fix anything
Feb 08 18:43:11 <Estel_> at all
Feb 08 18:43:27 <Estel_> also, journal_async_commit
Feb 08 18:43:34 <Estel_> ;)
Feb 08 19:40:53 <sardini> hello you know where i can find madde for linux 32 ?
Feb 08 21:15:11 <grummund> hi
Feb 08 21:16:37 <grummund> i edited a system file with vi but i forgot to do gainroot first
Feb 08 21:18:25 <grummund> can i save it under a new filename then use sudo gainroot to mv the new file?
Feb 08 21:19:31 <grummund> :w <filename> doesn' seem to work
Feb 08 21:22:53 <cehteh> give a path where you can write too
Feb 08 21:23:07 <cehteh> i guess you are in /etc or so.. no write permission for normal user
Feb 08 21:23:28 <cehteh> :w /tmp/my_rescue     might do
Feb 08 21:27:10 <grummund> that's what i expected to work too
Feb 08 22:54:15 <sixwheeledbeast> grummund: :w !sudo tee myfile
Feb 08 22:57:52 <sixwheeledbeast> or use % for current filename
Feb 08 23:05:01 <grummund> "!sudo tee aaa" File is read only
Feb 08 23:07:39 <kerio> sixwheeledbeast: not necessarily vim :)
Feb 08 23:14:21 <grummund> sorry this is with busybux vi
Feb 08 23:14:43 <eccerr0r> you can open another window and chmdo it?
Feb 08 23:15:59 <eccerr0r> though my /tmp is mode 1777...
Feb 08 23:17:04 <grummund> no big deal i'll just re-edit the file
Feb 08 23:19:02 <eccerr0r> !sh should open another shell to chmod too?
Feb 08 23:19:23 * grummund now getting confused about what causes the xterm hover arrow to be shown/hidden.
Feb 08 23:30:15 <Macer> hm
Feb 08 23:30:23 <Macer> i have to figure out how to get a custom fw onto a nokia e7
Feb 08 23:30:25 <Macer> :)
Feb 08 23:30:28 <Macer> finally showed up today
Feb 08 23:41:47 <unifly> sorry anyone know how i make kernel-power default boot for u-boot?
Feb 08 23:47:48 <Skry> by reading the first damn post on u-boot thread on TMO
Feb 08 23:52:22 <DocScrutinizer05> mail.maemo.org "down" again
Feb 08 23:56:10 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer05,  will it affect sending notifications about bug that I've created, do I'll need to somehow "bump" it, after mail starts working?
Feb 08 23:56:20 <Estel_> I mean that enchancement cssu ticket
Feb 08 23:56:37 <DocScrutinizer05> unclear, sorry
Feb 08 23:56:54 <DocScrutinizer05> but your ticket should be stored just fine
Feb 08 23:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you could mention the ticket number on maemo-ssu
Feb 08 23:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> so other can look into it
Feb 08 23:58:30 <DocScrutinizer05> If i had to guess, I'd think b.m.o has its own sendmail
Feb 08 23:59:48 <DocScrutinizer05> well, actually you could probably look it up in "open ports - outside" in that pdf
Feb 09 00:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm - 5 bugs 2 30 bugs.maemo.org 80, 443 80, 443  - so probably not
Feb 09 00:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> err, nevermind. *sending* isn't listed as port
Feb 09 00:03:57 <sixwheeledbeast> grummand: i can't think of a solution
Feb 09 00:05:01 <sixwheeledbeast> you can't even yank the lines to the clipboard in bb vi
Feb 09 00:14:41 <merlin1991> Estel_: the mails for your bug went out (at least I got them)
Feb 09 00:15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> mail rebooted
Feb 09 00:20:23 <sardini> hello, you know where I can find Madde for linux x86 ?
Feb 09 00:24:38 <Estel_> merlin1991,  thanks
Feb 09 02:00:47 <Macer> you have GOT to be kiddin gme
Feb 09 02:00:56 <Macer> i just realized this lumia 900 uses some tiny sim card
Feb 09 02:01:11 <Macer> and the e7 requires a standard sized one 
Feb 09 02:01:13 <Macer> WTF
Feb 09 02:05:14 <SpeedEvil> mini sims are pretty standard
Feb 09 02:05:23 <SpeedEvil> just get out your chisel
Feb 09 02:07:21 <Macer> well i have to go from mini to standard
Feb 09 02:07:24 <Macer> heh
Feb 09 02:07:39 <Macer> and from what i've read about adapters.. they wind up getting caught and rip pins out
Feb 09 02:07:55 <Macer> so i'd probably be safer just going to att and getting a standard one and changing my plan for the e7
Feb 09 02:08:38 <Macer> omg this nokia update of this e7 is taking like forever to download the belle update
Feb 09 02:09:15 <Macer> 1hour 15misn to download 300MB
Feb 09 02:09:17 <Macer> fail nokia
Feb 09 02:09:37 <SpeedEvil> yes
Feb 09 02:10:31 <Macer> that's going to be a pain. so i pretty much can't swap phones
Feb 09 02:10:41 <Macer> because i know they're going to be lame as shit and not let me have cloned sims
Feb 09 02:12:05 <Macer> i'm sure the adapter would be fine in the n900
Feb 09 02:12:12 <Macer> since it has that gate type of deal for the sim
Feb 09 02:12:23 <Macer> but the sliding slots would wind up ripping pins out
Feb 09 02:15:43 <SpeedEvil> sigh
Feb 09 02:27:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Feb 09 02:27:32 <DocScrutinizer05> slot-in is kinda PITA
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