**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 11 02:59:58 2013 Feb 11 03:27:18 hi Feb 11 03:56:28 When one uses "Easy Debian" on Maemo 5, are any of the bash initialization scripts run? Either /etc/profile nor ~/.bashrc seems to be executed. Feb 11 03:57:02 Ooops - I meant "Neither /etc/profile nor ~/.bashrc ... Feb 11 04:20:31 Nevermind my question about Easy Debian. I found the answer. Feb 11 06:53:19 well Feb 11 06:53:31 say what you want about symbian but it is awesome Feb 11 06:53:42 still miss maemo but this e7 is great Feb 11 07:06:18 hey fellas! My N900 touch screen seems to be broken - no LED lights even. Is there a way to boot into the phone using a keyboard so that I can get past the date setting screens? Feb 11 07:11:11 Sadly, no Feb 11 07:11:32 You might be able to flash the rootfs with an image with BackupMenu in it Feb 11 07:11:50 so you can then use the keyboard, get into that, and use USB Mass Storage to copy your files off Feb 11 07:12:03 Alternately, go on ebay and get a new screen Feb 11 07:12:07 Pretty cheap Feb 11 07:14:45 robbiethe1st, would I be able to install it myself? Feb 11 07:14:51 the screen Feb 11 07:14:55 Yeah Feb 11 07:15:11 robbiethe1st, thx, I guess this is what I will do. Feb 11 07:15:16 Well, lets see. You're going to need to get yourself a small set of screwdrivers - Torx and philips Feb 11 07:15:27 Where are you in the world? Feb 11 07:15:36 robbiethe1st, russia Feb 11 07:15:36 robbiethe1st, Your BackupMenu has saved my butt many times. Thanks so much for producing that! Feb 11 07:15:58 robbiethe1st, I am afraid I did not install BackupMenu when the screen worl=ked Feb 11 07:16:32 louigi, if you need your files, it's possible to install that flashable rootfs image I made, but you'll lose your programs. Feb 11 07:16:38 (when you try to recover) Feb 11 07:16:54 robbiethe1st, this is fine. What I need is contacts and files only Feb 11 07:17:02 but Feb 11 07:17:11 if I change the screen, I can keep everything, yes? Feb 11 07:17:16 Yup Feb 11 07:17:25 robbiethe1st, then I probably should buy the screen Feb 11 07:17:41 One option would be to just find a broken N900 with a good screen; then it's just four screws and about 2 minutes Feb 11 07:17:53 And swap out the entire top slider part Feb 11 07:18:01 robbiethe1st, I have a N900 prototype actually Feb 11 07:18:03 Otherwise, it's the touchscreen that's broken, right? Feb 11 07:18:06 maybe I can use that Feb 11 07:18:17 Yeah, that might work Feb 11 07:18:18 robbiethe1st, you know, it died unexpectedly Feb 11 07:18:31 suddenly, it went black and no LED lights Feb 11 07:18:49 Huh, not a battery issue? Feb 11 07:18:50 the phone seems to work, keyboard lights up, but the screen block shows no signs of life Feb 11 07:18:53 nope Feb 11 07:18:59 Hm, possibly a cable issue then Feb 11 07:19:05 this is what I thought Feb 11 07:19:23 Have you tried aiming a flashlight at the screen right close, see if it's just the backlight? Feb 11 07:19:32 did not try Feb 11 07:19:34 can do it now Feb 11 07:20:49 It Feb 11 07:20:56 It's something you can do on all LCDs Feb 11 07:21:01 nope, nothing Feb 11 07:21:08 you're looking for changes in reflection Feb 11 07:21:08 plus, the LED lights would work then Feb 11 07:21:13 Yeah, probably cable then Feb 11 07:21:59 robbiethe1st, well, will use the prototype screen Feb 11 07:22:12 this way I can actually make a backup of everything Feb 11 07:22:13 You'll need just a tiny philips for that Feb 11 07:22:22 yup Feb 11 07:22:34 any tutorial on changing the screen on the web you'd recommend? Feb 11 07:22:43 I do see the srews here... Feb 11 07:22:58 There's a good guide, DocS should know Feb 11 07:24:09 robbiethe1st, thanks for you advice, man, I feel better now! It was not a pleasant thing, this screen thing! Feb 11 07:24:37 NP Feb 11 07:24:52 I also suggest getting a backup device. At $200, why not? Feb 11 07:26:12 robbiethe1st, what's that? Feb 11 07:26:21 Another N900 Feb 11 07:26:23 I mean Feb 11 07:26:28 A spare Feb 11 07:26:28 robbiethe1st, ha, I got one Feb 11 07:26:45 Then, take backups once in a while, keep em on your PC Feb 11 07:26:56 sopmething fails, restore to backup N900, away you go Feb 11 07:26:57 I worked in Nokia for several years and managed to get my hands on 1 proto and 2 priduction devices Feb 11 07:27:06 robbiethe1st, right Feb 11 07:27:15 it's just I did not know it can fail so suddenly Feb 11 07:27:59 Likely just a cable I think Feb 11 07:28:11 Also, Nice! Feb 11 07:28:25 Usually what happens, though, is your USB port comes off Feb 11 07:28:46 Not fun to backup once that happens - wifi copying takes ages and tons of power Feb 11 07:29:18 Anyway, I'm off. Cya all later. Feb 11 07:31:55 Is there anyone around who is familiar with Easy Debian on the N900? Feb 11 07:43:57 so Feb 11 07:44:11 nokia finally pulled the plug on maemo.org huh? Feb 11 07:44:25 amazing it lasted that long lol Feb 11 07:45:13 at least they are allowing the dns entry Feb 11 07:45:25 i'm surprised they are doing that as well Feb 11 07:46:08 Macer Most of maemo.org seems to have survived well. Feb 11 07:46:25 heh Feb 11 07:46:34 we will see for how long Feb 11 07:47:03 history dictates when a big company doesnt back something... it usually doesnt last very long Feb 11 07:47:09 Oh ye of little faith... Feb 11 07:47:38 plus council members wont be getting free nokia hardware anymore :) Feb 11 07:47:40 lol Feb 11 07:47:59 THere's still a fairly active Openmoko community. Feb 11 07:48:23 Ken-Young: you don't know Macer too well, eh? Feb 11 07:48:31 the maemo community was awesome in its prime Feb 11 07:48:35 (not that he's wrong in this case..) Feb 11 07:48:36 luke! Feb 11 07:48:44 how are things? Feb 11 07:48:46 ok Feb 11 07:49:17 Luke-Jr, Nope, I'm afraid I don't know him. Feb 11 07:49:18 think i will wipe my broken modem n900 and ebay it heh Feb 11 07:49:47 Luke-Jr: got an e7 and it is actually pretty awesome Feb 11 07:49:53 no way Feb 11 07:50:11 went retro heh Feb 11 07:50:49 Macer: did you see my tonal wristwatch? Feb 11 07:50:55 miss maemo but symbian is actually a good alternative. it looks like maemo sans xterm and like.... linux heh Feb 11 07:51:08 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/pics/20130209_004-small.jpg Feb 11 07:51:09 no Feb 11 07:51:32 not found Feb 11 07:51:36 lies Feb 11 07:52:16 oh Feb 11 07:52:45 my bad.. url detection put an extra bit at the end Feb 11 07:53:07 does it run an omap3? Feb 11 07:53:10 no Feb 11 07:53:10 :) Feb 11 07:53:15 omap3 eats way too much power Feb 11 07:53:22 this thing will run over a year on a single charge Feb 11 07:53:33 it charges? Feb 11 07:53:43 what else does it do? death ray? Feb 11 07:53:47 no, it doesn't charge. Feb 11 07:53:50 but that's besides the point Feb 11 07:54:16 i dont know what makes it special Feb 11 07:54:26 looks like a typical old digital watch Feb 11 07:54:41 the time is in tonal, n00b Feb 11 08:01:30 whatever floats your boat haha Feb 11 08:04:18 but yeah. i doubt maemo.org will have the money support Feb 11 08:28:42 Luke-Jr: metawatch is much better Feb 11 08:28:46 Luke-Jr: bluetooth and other stuff Feb 11 08:29:29 jacekowski: and crappy battery life Feb 11 08:29:34 and IIRC non-free too Feb 11 08:29:48 free Feb 11 08:30:01 and battery lasts for few days Feb 11 08:30:03 not to mention 4x the price Feb 11 08:30:06 days lol Feb 11 08:30:15 I want my wristwatch to go over a year. Feb 11 08:30:20 well, bluetooth uses a lot of power Feb 11 08:30:30 and who needs bluetooth in a watch Feb 11 08:30:55 well then what's the point of that other watch Feb 11 08:31:00 chronos Feb 11 08:31:14 if it only has to show time Feb 11 08:35:36 jacekowski: that's the point Feb 11 08:35:38 to show time Feb 11 08:35:52 then you may as well get £1 chinese watch Feb 11 08:35:56 those last ages on single charge Feb 11 09:19:05 this morning my n900 was drained dry :s Feb 11 09:19:42 i reckon it was my router rebooting, and the wifi not figuring it out properly Feb 11 09:24:06 * engblom is syncing his broken n900 with a computer. He feels relieved that he gets everything out from it. Feb 11 09:38:58 * kerio feels disappointed Feb 11 09:55:43 kerio: im sure it was some design flaw where the battery surged and shorted it Feb 11 09:55:56 ? Feb 11 09:56:03 why? Feb 11 09:56:05 because of a loose usb port Feb 11 09:56:08 heh Feb 11 09:56:11 im joking Feb 11 09:56:16 no, it wasn't charging Feb 11 09:56:36 i got a bit scared this morning, it gave no signs of life Feb 11 09:57:03 did it come back? Feb 11 09:57:04 5 seconds in flatbat recovery were enough Feb 11 09:57:05 :) Feb 11 09:57:09 look at batttery eye Feb 11 09:57:37 a d see how the graph dropped Feb 11 09:57:40 and Feb 11 09:58:00 i have no logs at all Feb 11 09:58:36 oh Feb 11 09:58:40 weird Feb 11 09:58:46 nah Feb 11 09:58:59 i havent used my n900 in quite a while Feb 11 09:59:00 logs are annoying Feb 11 09:59:06 going to sell it if i can Feb 11 09:59:15 modem doesnt work Feb 11 09:59:17 hm Feb 11 09:59:18 where? Feb 11 09:59:31 where? Feb 11 09:59:34 geographically Feb 11 09:59:36 im in chicago Feb 11 09:59:41 hm Feb 11 09:59:59 screen might be worth something Feb 11 10:00:03 if it was europe, there was the option of the Doc's N900 Dump Feb 11 10:00:08 minus the modem it works fine Feb 11 10:00:37 i would still be using it if it didnt break Feb 11 10:00:42 it is my second one Feb 11 10:00:47 so buy a third! Feb 11 10:00:53 first one had the usb fall off Feb 11 10:00:55 no thanks Feb 11 10:01:08 first shame on you, second shame on me Feb 11 10:01:09 grab the second's usb port and put it in the first Feb 11 10:01:30 i sold the first for parts Feb 11 10:01:34 heh Feb 11 10:01:59 screen took 1 day to sell Feb 11 10:02:07 guess they break often too Feb 11 10:02:14 nah Feb 11 10:02:17 talk about a shoddy device Feb 11 10:02:20 :) Feb 11 10:02:31 it's just that there aren't a lot of n900s around Feb 11 10:02:33 modems usb ports heh Feb 11 10:02:44 those are the only two common problems, really Feb 11 10:02:47 enough for them to cost $200 Feb 11 10:02:51 or less heh Feb 11 10:03:03 im rocking an e7 now Feb 11 10:03:05 i bought a new one for 150 Feb 11 10:03:06 its great Feb 11 10:03:08 € Feb 11 10:03:12 the e7 is a phone Feb 11 10:03:26 so is the n900 lol Feb 11 10:03:46 dont know why people think it is different ;) Feb 11 10:03:51 because it has a term Feb 11 10:04:10 if android had a term userland it would be just as good Feb 11 10:04:17 it does Feb 11 10:04:21 and it's crap Feb 11 10:04:23 minimal Feb 11 10:04:25 because it's a phone Feb 11 10:04:40 but that isnt androids fault Feb 11 10:04:43 it can be done Feb 11 10:04:52 nobody wants to do it Feb 11 10:05:30 if android had a robust userland for the term it would probably be better than maemo Feb 11 10:05:41 considering the ui is actively developed Feb 11 10:05:44 and if it used x11 Feb 11 10:05:53 and common graphical toolkits like gtk and qt Feb 11 10:05:54 x11 could be added Feb 11 10:06:04 and had an actual connection manager Feb 11 10:06:10 x11 is overrated tho Feb 11 10:06:11 and a physical keyboard Feb 11 10:06:17 old arch Feb 11 10:06:21 yep, android would be better than maemo if it was maemo Feb 11 10:06:26 haha Feb 11 10:06:47 i dunno.. the ui is obviously better than hildon Feb 11 10:06:56 maybe if maemo had a new ui Feb 11 10:07:19 you'll have to pry hildon from my cold dead hands Feb 11 10:07:30 but nobody really ever managed to make a good alternative Feb 11 10:07:38 because of the closed sections Feb 11 10:08:12 and lack of real development support from nokia and co Feb 11 10:08:56 what made maemo special wasnt the ui.. it was the linux userland Feb 11 10:09:14 add that to android and an xserver and youre done :) Feb 11 10:09:39 i think there already is an xserver if i am not mistaken Feb 11 10:09:49 either way.. mobile ubuntu coming soon Feb 11 10:09:52 good stuff Feb 11 10:09:54 android has no concept of windows Feb 11 10:10:14 neither does hildon other than a task manager Feb 11 10:10:20 hildon *is* a windowmanager Feb 11 10:10:29 in a way i suppose Feb 11 10:10:33 that's like saying that xmonad doesn't have a concept of windows except for tiles Feb 11 10:10:41 inasmuch it can close windows Feb 11 10:10:52 but nowadays so can android Feb 11 10:11:02 its task manager closes windows Feb 11 10:11:09 frees the ram Feb 11 10:11:36 not that that matters on devices with 1GB+ physical ram Feb 11 10:12:09 it isnt like hildon allows multiple windows to be displayed on the desktop to be moved and manipulated Feb 11 10:12:24 neither does xmonad Feb 11 10:12:33 which isnt practical on smaller devices anyways Feb 11 10:12:47 so the android ui fulfills all the things maemo did Feb 11 10:13:07 only thing missing is an xserver and apt which im shocked someone hasnt made yet Feb 11 10:13:18 but ubuntu on mobile devices Feb 11 10:13:30 you can already install it on stronger devices Feb 11 10:13:46 100% functional using the same kernel android uses Feb 11 10:14:02 no lame shit like voice calls or cams not working Feb 11 10:15:05 devices soon to come but i will believe it when i see it Feb 11 10:20:02 Macer, let's wait until stuff materializes Feb 11 10:20:30 Hope you still remember that ARM-based netbook/tablet thing and how it ended up being a lemon Feb 11 10:30:17 lemons are sour! Feb 11 10:32:16 sour grapes anybody? :-p Feb 11 10:32:59 RST38h: chromebook? Feb 11 14:52:27 ~seen Pali Feb 11 14:52:28 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 22h 31m 35s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, ask also romaxa (on #maemo)'. Feb 11 14:52:35 is he dead? D: Feb 11 15:26:53 qwazix: I am stuck :(. Cannot draw a simple rectangle usign GLES. Here is the code http://pastebin.com/CKyjhTP4. I expect it to draw a fullscreen rectangle. it draws on half-screen. any idea? Feb 11 15:27:17 let me see Feb 11 15:30:18 qwazix: if i use only 3 indices and GL_TRIANGLES, the correct triangle is drawn Feb 11 15:36:19 freemangordon, why do you have -1 in there? Feb 11 15:36:33 aren't those coordinates? Feb 11 15:37:01 qwazix: yes, but in -1;1 space afaik Feb 11 15:37:20 :nod: Feb 11 15:38:44 If the -1,1 space is true, your code seems correct Feb 11 15:38:54 what half of the screen do you get? Feb 11 15:39:10 split diagonallly? Feb 11 15:39:32 no, over the x axis Feb 11 15:40:34 oh, I think I fund it Feb 11 15:40:38 *found Feb 11 15:40:48 What is it? Feb 11 15:40:48 the second param to glVertexAttribPointer is wring Feb 11 15:40:51 *wrong Feb 11 15:41:51 should be 3 probably Feb 11 15:41:59 yes :D Feb 11 15:42:43 Why would one want a 4 dimensional vertex. Animation? Feb 11 15:43:01 qwazix: noone wants it, it is a bug made by my :) Feb 11 15:43:43 *me Feb 11 15:43:46 4 is a valid value according to documentation, that's why I'm wondering what's the use of it Feb 11 15:43:55 No idea Feb 11 15:45:17 qwazix: ok, we have between 40-50 fps on TMO with HW accel and active stencil clip Feb 11 15:45:27 wow! Feb 11 15:45:43 :D Feb 11 15:45:53 but it's not 60... Feb 11 15:46:29 kerio even the Hobbit was shot at 48, don't be greedy Feb 11 15:46:40 :) Feb 11 15:47:24 qwazix: 3d cube renders with 35fps Feb 11 15:47:39 I guess that's enough for now Feb 11 15:48:02 More than enough. How's memory consumption? Feb 11 15:50:32 qwazix: 11908 11277 user S 58708 24.9 0.0 qmlMozEmbedTest -url talk.maemo.org Feb 11 15:51:38 Not bad at all! How did the UI manage to eat up so much ram still eludes me Feb 11 15:52:53 not bad, deffinitely Feb 11 15:53:08 ~256*25/100 Feb 11 15:53:10 64 Feb 11 15:53:22 so, 64MB Feb 11 15:53:41 * freemangordon is on my way home, bbl Feb 11 15:59:51 midori, tmo, 11% Feb 11 16:02:18 qwazix: that's stupid too Feb 11 16:02:52 kerio, 48fps? I was just joking Feb 11 16:03:10 we're only stuck with these stupid framerates, with slow panning and motion-blur-up-the-arse because 60fps is associated with cheap sitcoms Feb 11 16:04:04 I think 48 is pretty ok, I doubt if you can detect the difference with 60 Feb 11 16:07:19 you can definetely detect the differences with 120 Feb 11 16:10:02 (i'm not even sure 120fps video is a thing Feb 11 16:12:43 but it should be) Feb 11 16:13:52 120fps 4K 3D video would be ~64 times the size of a 1080p 24fps 2D movie today Feb 11 16:14:31 (less than 64 actually because compression is much more effective on large areas/timespans with almost the same data) Feb 11 16:15:11 qwazix: so? these are movie theatres Feb 11 16:15:32 kerio, you've never downloaded a movie? Feb 11 16:15:43 nice try, MPAA Feb 11 16:15:51 haha Feb 11 16:16:01 (from netflix :P) Feb 11 16:21:12 hello. I have a problem after the latest maemo update. The refreshing of the screen does not work without problems. After going to next desktop or opening, closing a application it looks like the device freeze but it works nice on functionality(touch, keyboard), but the optic freezes. Feb 11 16:21:25 someone know this problem in the last days/weeks? Feb 11 16:21:42 i had that once Feb 11 16:21:47 try rebooting Feb 11 16:22:25 okay Feb 11 16:34:06 Skry: HTML5? webgl? HTML5 video? Feb 11 16:34:32 Skry: flash plugin? Feb 11 16:35:10 eichi: still experiencing the same problem? Feb 11 16:35:26 kerio, one moment ;) Feb 11 16:37:24 kerio, problem seems to be gone Feb 11 16:37:30 thanks Feb 11 16:38:02 eichi: the next time, you could also try rotating it in portrait and then in landscape Feb 11 16:40:40 ~moo Feb 11 16:40:43 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Feb 11 16:46:21 freemangordon: no, just a useless non-accurate comparison, not running it on fremantle either so. anyway, html5 and html5 video yes, webgl and flash no, then there's adblock and some other extensions on. on the other hand, I tried gmail and tmo at the same time, swap off.. had to remove battery :P Feb 11 16:47:36 Skry: html5 video with HW acceleration through DSP? I doubt. though.. who knows :) Feb 11 16:49:07 software Feb 11 16:51:42 though midori uses gstreamer so I guess h264 is possible, no idea of webm Feb 11 16:51:57 dsp wise Feb 11 16:52:15 now VPx DSP codecs :( Feb 11 16:52:34 so i suspected :\ Feb 11 17:39:12 so silly :( Feb 11 17:39:55 what? Feb 11 17:40:02 ~seen pali Feb 11 17:40:08 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 1h 19m 15s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, ask also romaxa (on #maemo)'. Feb 11 17:40:14 :( Feb 11 17:42:10 don't worry, he's alive Feb 11 17:53:15 in your dungeon? Feb 11 18:08:02 ~seen sd69 Feb 11 18:08:07 sd69 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 41m 4s ago, saying: 'ok, cya'. Feb 11 18:16:07 you all got a red papernose put on? Feb 11 18:16:46 for what? Feb 11 18:17:14 for a lame excuse to get drunk and not contribute here ;o) Feb 11 18:17:33 btw, razinger's gone Feb 11 18:17:40 byebye Feb 11 18:17:55 papa razzi Feb 11 18:18:08 wat? getting drunk needs excuses now? Feb 11 18:18:50 well, I need and can't find a decent excuse to get drunk rather than worry about migration mess Feb 11 18:19:21 also I feel somewhat fed up with paying shit from my own pocket Feb 11 18:19:36 (not the alcohol ;-P) Feb 11 18:20:53 DocScrutinizer05: <3 Feb 11 18:20:59 Nemein offers to use cheap hosting for our server, but that cheap hosting happens to be an offer in Hamburg, so they ask for somebody to order and pay shipment. That's probably me again Feb 11 18:21:45 since hoping for HiFo to pay for it is kinda... :o( Feb 11 18:21:54 (sad clown) Feb 11 18:21:59 wait, what? Feb 11 18:22:18 ffs, we have a budget for this reason Feb 11 18:22:40 exactly Feb 11 18:22:51 sure, but we also have a board that needs to meet officially to allow one of their member to fart Feb 11 18:23:06 if time's the issue then, if it's not a problem, pay and then get a refund afterwards Feb 11 18:23:20 I'll try that Feb 11 18:24:17 shipping needs to get done today or tomorrow, for sure this week, or we're screwed Feb 11 18:24:22 seriously though, why should be people donating then? Feb 11 18:24:23 like, what for? Feb 11 18:25:32 and the worst thing, none of HiFo usually available online, always sending mails which is a time consuming and annoying thing to do Feb 11 18:25:57 it's weird, i thought old people preferred emails Feb 11 18:26:04 meh Feb 11 18:26:09 :P Feb 11 18:27:35 I feel like a circus director of a floyd zoo, trying to make the rabbits do tricks by sending around emails Feb 11 18:28:03 http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ecb2/ Feb 11 18:28:07 smarter than a HiFo board member! Feb 11 18:30:20 DocScrutinizer05, can't we muster up the shipping costs here so that you don't have to pay it all? I can contribute about 30eur right now. I know it's a little but bit by bit... Feb 11 18:31:47 qwazix: when I get enaough donations, I could tell HiFo "already paid for, no I don't need any money from you to proceed", which for sure would speed up things Feb 11 18:32:26 We need about 300 isn't it? Feb 11 18:32:29 also I need somebody savvy with sending around servers/IT Feb 11 18:32:41 probably yes, around that much Feb 11 18:32:47 DocScrutinizer05: warfare? Feb 11 18:33:05 possibly xes, too Feb 11 18:33:05 I lost contact to him ~4h ago Feb 11 18:33:09 :< Feb 11 18:33:17 warfare: shipment ping Feb 11 18:33:25 maybe he has a life? :-o Feb 11 18:33:25 DocScrutinizer05, going to tmo I suppose isn't an option, we'll start a war... Feb 11 18:33:31 DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly now Feb 11 18:33:46 He said he's got a meeting no? Feb 11 18:33:46 is it legal to ship booze in EU? :D Feb 11 18:34:07 qwazix: yes, for an hour, and he reported to be back Feb 11 18:34:20 ah, missed that Feb 11 18:34:23 Skry: just hide it in a server Feb 11 18:34:28 [2013-02-11 16:08:36] mashiara, aslani: I'm back. Any more questions? Feb 11 18:34:36 :nod: Feb 11 18:34:48 kerio: was actually thinking about that :D Feb 11 18:35:01 I'd love to buy Doc some booze for thanks Feb 11 18:35:22 Skry: afaik you can ship all the booze you like in EU Feb 11 18:35:30 Skry: you could send him some bitcoins Feb 11 18:35:35 that he can use to buy drugs Feb 11 18:35:49 same thing Feb 11 18:36:38 anybody else here can chip in to move the server? Feb 11 18:36:47