**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:58 2013 Feb 13 03:30:55 ok, almost business as usual again (recovery from IT breakage and new PC) Feb 13 04:59:32 hi Feb 13 05:18:48 the pidgin status menu plugin = power hog... Feb 13 05:19:31 anyone that still use their N900 as main phone? Feb 13 05:19:49 just started :o Feb 13 05:25:41 eccerr0r: You just started using N900 as your main phone? :) Feb 13 05:25:59 yes, it replaced a broken 5230. Feb 13 05:26:44 google makes me itchy, same as apple and M$. Feb 13 05:29:31 well. Elop makes me more itchy. Feb 13 05:30:27 this was before that decision,... I don't know what I want for future phones, openmoko might be the only choice. Feb 13 05:36:03 I thought the WHOLE pidgin was a power hog Feb 13 05:36:12 but is it just the status menu applet? Feb 13 05:36:30 because if that's so I'm uninstalling it RIGHT NOW Feb 13 05:36:33 well, it seems to eat less without the status menu. Feb 13 05:36:48 phone lasts like 4 hours to me when pidgin is loaded Feb 13 05:36:51 unfortunately you cant use it without the core pidgin so I have to remove as much as I can.. Feb 13 05:37:02 lets hope jolla will release something nice Feb 13 05:37:13 let's hope Jolla release something at all Feb 13 05:37:22 but it seems Ubuntu phone will do it first Feb 13 05:38:01 I'd really love a fast phone Feb 13 05:38:12 the N900 is so slow :( it really gets on my nerves sometimes Feb 13 05:38:21 but there's no good replacement for it yet out there Feb 13 05:39:06 I've been using a 5230, this is actually faster... but then again my celeron 500 is faster than the n900 Feb 13 06:29:08 100mbps=~11.4957439 after MAC and IP+TCP overhead Feb 13 06:36:49 strongly AGREE on FSP PSU - I have two. One died, other one is perfectly fine. Both used in server and most probably constantly on egde of overloading or even overloaded. The one, which died have defective capacitor - that I am sure without checking, because I know the behaviour - running fine until you connect something to it. After connection is made it dies, Feb 13 06:42:04 n900 camera internal error Feb 13 06:42:13 how do i revert back to stock camera app Feb 13 07:03:51 how do i revert back to stock camera app Feb 13 07:09:07 what isn't stock for you? Feb 13 07:09:15 need to know what you did before. Feb 13 07:16:50 find a way to put maemo on my e7 already :-P Feb 13 07:17:54 this new camera is buggy Feb 13 07:18:08 newer camera is buggy Feb 13 07:20:45 iluminator105, what is "new" or "newer"? Feb 13 07:20:48 unclear. Feb 13 07:22:28 camera tried to open says internal error Feb 13 07:23:09 and before you did... what? Feb 13 07:23:18 you said "revert back to stock camera app". Feb 13 07:23:24 still no idea which camera app you use now. Feb 13 07:44:12 standard camera app Feb 13 08:04:30 iluminator105, standard is stock. Feb 13 08:05:05 thats what i meant Feb 13 08:14:42 ...Based on the D-class test subject's descriptions, the reptiles may have belonged to the genus Velociraptor. Each were dressed in a Japanese maid cosplay costume tailored to fit them... Feb 13 10:22:00 iluminator105 probably installed cssu Feb 13 10:22:04 and hit some bug in nicocam Feb 13 10:27:27 eccerr0r: IM is quite battery-heavy in general Feb 13 10:27:53 when using 3g Feb 13 13:16:32 Hello Feb 13 13:21:28 Have to register to use #python Feb 13 13:58:07 Hi Feb 13 14:12:43 technojabber: and? Feb 13 14:12:49 technojabber: then register Feb 13 14:17:15 after all that's what nickserv is made for Feb 13 14:19:03 technojabber: /msg nickserv help register Feb 13 16:46:28 is the repo still down? Feb 13 16:49:04 tommis: /topic Feb 13 17:25:23 yay, quiet earth? Feb 13 17:25:44 ~botsnack Feb 13 17:25:44 DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee Feb 13 17:34:23 underunixridlle1 Feb 13 17:42:01 somewhat disappointed in power consumption, I had an IM client running on my symbian 5230, it didn't eat batteries as much. However running ssh on the 5230 kills the battery... Feb 13 17:42:56 was running symbian-putty, leaving a ssh client idle would kill the battery in hours. Feb 13 17:43:50 I haven't tested openssh on the n900 though, and see how much it would kill the battery... Feb 13 17:46:31 any body help me to under stand mirc Feb 13 17:46:58 hello chenca Feb 13 17:47:14 can u help m eto under stand it Feb 13 17:58:06 eccerr0r: are you seriously comparing an IM client to an SSH server? Feb 13 18:01:54 ssh client vs im client, why not? Feb 13 18:04:16 One option for me for IM is to ssh into a machine and access its text mode IM client... the question is, which is less power. ideally when ssh isn't receiving or transmitting it shouldn't be any different than an idle IM client. Feb 13 18:04:55 ssh, too, has keepalives Feb 13 18:04:59 they're probably much cheaper Feb 13 18:05:10 but the issue is the beginning of transfer Feb 13 18:05:24 connection negotiation? Feb 13 18:09:18 the only *possible* reason for why ssh eats more power is that it uses CPU to encrypt. but if IM is also encrypting, then that's ruled out. And it shouldn't account for 10x more power. running IM on the 5230 doesn't make the phone warm at all... Feb 13 18:09:57 symbian putty... oh my... as bad as google maps Feb 13 18:10:01 eccerr0r, when you talk about IM are you talking about pidgin? Feb 13 18:10:19 pidgin client, or any text-IM client. Feb 13 18:10:20 because since pidgin was compiled for the N900 they didn't take any measure to be a mobile IM Feb 13 18:10:30 but the native Conversation IM is different Feb 13 18:10:40 pidgin pings way too much the servers that's why it drains your battery Feb 13 18:11:00 nobody has ever took a look at pidgin and modify it to be a mobile application Feb 13 18:11:08 it's a desktop application running in your phone, it's destined to fail Feb 13 18:11:42 are all symbian apps programmed correctly by design? Feb 13 18:11:56 well not all but at least they were programmed FOR a mobile Feb 13 18:12:01 pidgin was never programmed for mobile Feb 13 18:12:08 I can't say it should be a 10x difference though. Feb 13 18:12:34 configure one account (GTalk) in your Conversations Feb 13 18:12:39 then again I have not done power comparision between pidgin and ssh... Feb 13 18:12:41 and then spend a day with that logged in with no pidgin Feb 13 18:12:49 and then another day with pidgin logged and Conversations logged off Feb 13 18:12:51 you'll see what I mean. Feb 13 18:13:04 well Feb 13 18:13:18 if you have an idle SSH session you'll see no battery drain Feb 13 18:13:33 but open an SSH session and make it run an ls -alR / every second Feb 13 18:13:36 your battery will last 20 minutes Feb 13 18:14:04 right, I was hoping for idle... but idle putty on symbian eats batteries like mad. call that a crappy mobile app? Feb 13 18:15:03 pidgin doesn't idle AT ALL Feb 13 18:15:10 (that was my point before) Feb 13 18:15:38 it pings the servers all the time and retrieves information of users logging on and off, it's really for desktops. Feb 13 18:15:55 well it needs to do that even for a mobile app. Feb 13 18:16:05 maybe they port putty to Symbian Feb 13 18:16:07 that's a mistake Feb 13 18:16:24 you have to create an SSH client from scratch, coding for a mobile phone is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than coding for desktops Feb 13 18:16:29 TOOOOOOOTALLY DIFFERENT Feb 13 18:16:31 people always forget that Feb 13 18:16:34 nah not at all Feb 13 18:16:42 you do have to be careful, that's for sure Feb 13 18:16:55 the thing is, all mobile apps will run just fine on a desktop Feb 13 18:16:56 sometimes you have to sacrifice good code in order to get speed and save battery Feb 13 18:16:59 so they cannot be different. Feb 13 18:17:08 (that means sometimes you have to do BAD things and BAD coding to make it better) Feb 13 18:17:52 for example Feb 13 18:18:03 Sc0rpius: to be fair, desktop apps should also try to reduce load as much as possible Feb 13 18:18:36 yeah but nobody does that since desktops are so powerful they don't notice that IO was 0.000002 usecs slower than it should be Feb 13 18:19:17 coding Yappari have made me realize how BAD A PHONE the N900 is Feb 13 18:19:27 writing a line in a file: 5 minutes less of battery Feb 13 18:19:42 sending something through the network: 2 minutes less of battery Feb 13 18:20:01 and it's very hard to keep everything in memory and touch the disk and network only when it's extremely necessary Feb 13 18:20:44 and then it really pisses me off that an iPhone lasts a week with 3G on 24 hours every day. Feb 13 18:21:17 :( Feb 13 18:23:10 there's no question that the n900 is older and hungrier than other phones but I hope you're not asking for a better phone so you can program more sloppily. Feb 13 18:23:40 you clearly haven't code anything for the N900 :) Feb 13 18:24:06 nah, but I've developed hardware and have to worry about its power consumption. Feb 13 18:24:21 I would loved a more balanced phone Feb 13 18:24:28 that you can do basic IO without sacrificing battery that much Feb 13 18:24:33 including network Feb 13 18:24:45 my spare N900 lasts over week on 3g :) Feb 13 18:24:59 my N900 doesn't last 4 hours in 3G Feb 13 18:25:14 and I don't think my battery is bad or something Feb 13 18:25:28 I'm using my 2-year old plus 5230 battery in my n900. Feb 13 18:26:08 Sc0rpius: can't you use push notifications? Feb 13 18:26:16 also, my n900 lasts a lot more than 4 hours in 3g, when idlish Feb 13 18:27:38 4 hours is about the time you'd get with constant data transfer in medium-poor signal conditions Feb 13 18:27:53 I know that every tuesday and thursday Feb 13 18:28:01 I connect my N900 religiously at 2 pm Feb 13 18:28:08 or high rate of transfer in good signal conditions Feb 13 18:28:09 and at 5:30 pm it turns off, battery dead Feb 13 18:28:27 with just pidgin and Yappari connected (and modest) Feb 13 18:28:39 if I disconnect pidgin it last like 1 more hour Feb 13 18:32:30 I don't know what those softwares do, but if they do a constant frequent small packets of data, instead of occasional databurst, then they'll get approximately same battery life as the declared wcdma talk time Feb 13 18:32:49 Just how 3g works Feb 13 18:33:29 joining half a dozen very active irc channels in xchat has the same effect :) Feb 13 18:35:08 Though if you use a bouncer that sends you scrollback when you connect, and do discon on screen blank and recon on screen activate, battery use is reduced to slightly more than that of just the screen on its own, and battery draw starts depending more on how often and long screen is on.. Feb 13 18:35:26 despite amount of transfered bytes being almost identical in either case Feb 13 18:46:13 Sc0rpius: pidgin or the weird n900 im thing? Feb 13 18:46:37 ShadowJK: i suppose that burst transfers are much, much better than a constant slow throughput thing? Feb 13 18:46:46 pidgin, I don't use Conversations as an IM Feb 13 18:46:54 kerio; yes Feb 13 18:47:07 Sc0rpius: well then you only have yourself to blame Feb 13 18:47:56 kerio; basically any data packet, however small, sent or received, keeps 3g transmitting for a minimum period of time defined by the operator. My operator has 5s Feb 13 18:48:58 ShadowJK: otoh, you'd lose the I part of IM Feb 13 18:48:59 so if I'm in irc on 3g, and someone types something or something happens (join/part, etc) in any channel every 5s, it's equivalent to being on a call constantly, in terms of powerdraw Feb 13 18:49:25 ShadowJK: so the solution is to stay in channels that are constantly active Feb 13 18:49:31 so at least you have a good reason for the power draw :D Feb 13 18:49:41 ShadowJK, any non-hackish way to accomplish disconnection on blanking? Feb 13 18:49:59 kerio; when I get excessive spare time I'm going to modify bouncer to queue messages at my server when N900 screen is off, except for PMs and highlights :) Feb 13 18:51:01 ShadowJK: you mean, stop sending messages except when some PM or highlight happens on /SCREENOFF and start again on /SCREENON Feb 13 18:51:17 yes Feb 13 18:51:54 or when a set number of queued bytes is reached. xchat is kinda slow at eating multimegabyte bursts Feb 13 18:52:21 neat Feb 13 18:52:25 write a znc plugin Feb 13 18:52:34 you'll make DocScrutinizer happy Feb 13 18:52:52 Oh also, this 3g behaviour approximately also means that for the same power you stream a single song, you can download 10 songs Feb 13 18:53:05 well, not really Feb 13 18:53:09 it depends on how much you buffer Feb 13 18:53:40 buffer the whole song, like grooveshark does, and it's equal to the download of one song Feb 13 18:53:57 streaming servers themselves seem to always have too small buffers Feb 13 18:54:12 like they don't have data they can send Feb 13 18:54:25 shoutcast is teh fail, indeed Feb 13 18:55:02 * ShadowJK was planning to make a time-delay on his server for the radio channels he'd want to stream, so I'd get a megabyte burst immediately, and then no data until N900 had 100k left, followed by a burst Feb 13 18:55:16 when I get excessive spare time... Feb 13 18:55:45 why would 100k be a lot of data? Feb 13 18:55:54 make it a lot bigger Feb 13 18:59:11 N900 side buffer would drain until 100k was left, margin because there's latency in getting 3g data transfer active from idle, etc.. it would then be refilled to 1M, data transfer would stop Feb 13 20:57:13 how are repository hash sum mismatches handled on r.m.o? Feb 13 21:01:22 and what sucks is that for some reason I get a gateway timeout while downloading skeiron.org's extra-devel packages file Feb 13 21:01:38 (whereas r.m.o downloads fine) Feb 13 21:06:16 Estel_: full disclosure, not talking behind your back: https://twitter.com/teotwaki/status/301799373283680256 Feb 13 21:13:23 ohohohoh Feb 13 21:44:16 http://privatepaste.com/ff11b9336b Feb 13 21:44:36 I annouce I suspend my work with maemo administration Feb 13 21:44:59 since HiFo (Robert Bauer has NFC how real life can work) Feb 13 21:45:19 :O Feb 13 21:47:22 wtf this guy is thinking I'm doing the whole day when finally I follow his weird ideas of management? forwarding mails to him and forwarding his answers to somebody else who asked? Feb 13 21:47:28 basically they named you administrator manager but you can't manage adminstrators (aka "hiring" them) Feb 13 21:47:39 so all the administration work has to be done by yourself even if you have no time for it Feb 13 21:47:54 and if you think you need help, only the Board will decide if you really need it. Feb 13 21:48:00 and they always will say no Feb 13 21:48:07 no surprises here. Feb 13 21:48:14 yes, either that or I simply do nothing, which is what I'm going to do right now Feb 13 21:48:43 so you can call this the day maemo died Feb 13 21:50:17 DocScrutinizer: oy, get off that horse. Feb 13 21:50:34 teotwaki: the day maemo.org died? Feb 13 21:50:41 "I quit. From now on, we shall call this day, 'The day Maemo died'" Feb 13 21:51:00 hehe Feb 13 21:51:10 well, see what gets done when HiFo is managing *everything* Feb 13 21:51:36 well, unless warfare is taking care of that, this is certainly the day *.maemo.org dies, because of the firewall Feb 13 21:51:44 we have exactly 2 more weeks, and then Nemein will probably shut down the servers Feb 13 21:52:46 kerio: you don't understand what's going on. Warfare MUSTN'T take care of anything, since he's not appointed by HiFo for doing that Feb 13 21:52:48 let Maemo die Feb 13 21:52:54 oic Feb 13 21:53:03 why does he have root, then? Feb 13 21:53:26 because I did stuff I also wasn't allowed to do Feb 13 21:53:51 clearly you should've asked the board Feb 13 21:53:57 i mean, they've been so proactive Feb 13 21:54:09 haha Feb 13 21:54:24 seriously though, what the fuck Feb 13 21:54:33 aren't they maemo fanboys too? Feb 13 21:54:45 don't they want things to work? Feb 13 21:54:47 kerio: oh, don't you jest Feb 13 21:55:03 kerio: power and bureaucracy will destroy a lot of ethics and love. Feb 13 21:55:17 No matter how much someone loves a project, a product or a company. Feb 13 21:55:21 no, Robert is another one who claims to do all in interest of maemo, but actually kills it by his misconceived notion about how stuff works Feb 13 21:55:28 Put them in charge, and that love will disappear in an instant. Feb 13 21:56:05 I think he just want you out of the picture Feb 13 21:56:39 well, just he's discarding the picture instead of me Feb 13 21:56:58 still works! Feb 13 21:57:09 does he realize that he's doing that, though? Feb 13 21:57:15 How can we make HiFo approve warfare asap? Feb 13 21:57:37 Give me his address, I'll bring the pliers. Feb 13 21:58:08 I'm going to say, 3 nails, and he signs the approval. Feb 13 21:58:49 teotwaki: hm based on "Put them in charge, and that love will disappear in an instant." I have to be the dictator of cssu :D Feb 13 21:59:07 merlin1991: oh, you definitely are, you 21 year old kid. Feb 13 21:59:19 DocScrutinizer05: old picture and new picture: http://i.imgur.com/eqjVogU.jpg Feb 13 21:59:24 crap, people born in the 90s are in their 20s already? Feb 13 21:59:33 teotwaki: he's the dictator of half of cssu! Feb 13 21:59:47 n900-dk: warfare is approved as sysop, but not as admin manager, and even if he were he couldn't create an account for merlin to get repo hashsum fixed until HiFo approves merlin1991 during their next meeting which maybe is sheduled for mid of March Feb 13 22:00:10 the simple fact that there's mentions of CTOs, managers and sysops is mindblowing. Feb 13 22:00:24 I mean, fuck me. Are you guys going to keep wanking over who gets the CEO title? Feb 13 22:00:45 teotwaki, you're an old person Feb 13 22:00:56 How the fuck do you think all those hundreds of free software projects ever got to work, by first electing who the fuck was gonna get root? Feb 13 22:01:20 kerio: nope, merlin is boss of all cssu Feb 13 22:01:26 Nokia bureaucracy didn't just kill Nokia, it infested and infected every single project Nokia was close to. Feb 13 22:01:32 DocScrutinizer05: technically mag is still my boss ;) Feb 13 22:01:38 yes Feb 13 22:01:38 GeneralAntilles: you're older than me, twat. Feb 13 22:01:56 teotwaki, really? Feb 13 22:01:58 Huh Feb 13 22:01:59 * GeneralAntilles is old Feb 13 22:02:09 GeneralAntilles: dunno, that was a bluff Feb 13 22:02:15 How many layers of bureaucracy does a tax entity and a couple servers need? Feb 13 22:02:18 Then, how can we force HiFo to have schedule a meeting asap - this subject can't wait until March Feb 13 22:02:24 teotwaki, my world was momentarily shattered. Feb 13 22:02:29 GeneralAntilles: too many Feb 13 22:02:34 GeneralAntilles: what year? Feb 13 22:02:40 teotwaki, 1987. Feb 13 22:02:41 25 Feb 13 22:02:50 GeneralAntilles: sorry but "your" HiFo just 10min ago killed me Feb 13 22:02:53 Ok Feb 13 22:02:54 I gotta go Feb 13 22:02:56 'laterw Feb 13 22:03:00 :) Feb 13 22:03:05 Byes Feb 13 22:03:07 GeneralAntilles: douche Feb 13 22:03:10 you're younger. Feb 13 22:03:12 touche Feb 13 22:03:28 DocScrutinizer05, I haven't even had a follow up to the appointment. Feb 13 22:03:34 what's that? A Floridian attempt to use a french accent? Did you mean... touch�? Feb 13 22:03:50 It's douche with a t. Feb 13 22:04:17 funny thing is, "toucher" has become a proxy for "sexual molestation". Feb 13 22:04:29 (toucher, the verb "to touch, to hit") Feb 13 22:04:41 * GeneralAntilles emails the board about something or other. Feb 13 22:04:59 Do we have an HR department I can file a complaint about teotwaki with? Feb 13 22:05:04 Hostile work environment. . . . Feb 13 22:05:52 GeneralAntilles: yes, however, you are only allowed to file a complaint with the HR bureau if you have proper authorisation from your level 2 manager. In order to get that approval, your level 1 manager, or level 3 director, may place a formal demand using the 5EX-form. Feb 13 22:06:11 DocScrutinizer: just /quit. Go grab a beer, chill out. No need to fester about it here. Feb 13 22:06:44 DocScrutinizer: I feel for you, I think I can understand where you're coming from on this one, but there's not much anyone here can do. Feb 13 22:07:09 ALSO WHY THE FUCK DOES THE VPN KEEP ON FUCKING UP? Feb 13 22:07:54 what VPN Feb 13 22:08:00 are you using OpenSwan? please don't Feb 13 22:08:27 no idea what they're using. Feb 13 22:08:36 I just get a login, and connect to it. Feb 13 22:08:51 But it wouldn't stay connected for over 3 minutes to save its own life. Feb 13 22:09:06 GeneralAntilles: what's your involvement these days in maemo? Feb 13 22:09:21 MWKN Feb 13 22:09:28 Something about a communications manager for HiFo Feb 13 22:10:15 I'm impressed. Feb 13 22:10:45 I remember you, PM'ing me, roughly... 5 years ago? Saying you'd had enough of maemo, and that you thought it was time to move on. Feb 13 22:10:54 Hehe Feb 13 22:11:00 5 years ago was Bad Days for me. Feb 13 22:11:11 5 years ago was Bad Days for most of us. Feb 13 22:11:14 We were still in puberty! Feb 13 22:11:28 (yes, we're late bloomers, we like to play with computers, OK?) Feb 13 22:12:08 today is my day to say so Feb 13 22:12:26 Well Feb 13 22:12:29 Hooray for toxic personalities. Feb 13 22:12:32 I guess there's a difference Feb 13 22:12:39 I got my own server with all the goodies on it, I don't really need the whole friggin infra anymore Feb 13 22:12:40 Give it a night's sleep before you burn anything down. :D Feb 13 22:13:09 5 years ago, we hadn't had elop, 5 years ago, we'd just come back from Berlin, and planning Amsterdam. Feb 13 22:13:23 I'm not going to burn down anything - I simply stop doing *anything* Feb 13 22:13:29 incl answering this mail Feb 13 22:13:37 not worth my time and my nerves Feb 13 22:14:03 5 years ago, people were spending 5 minutes after coffee joking about a "fixed in fremantle" t-shirts. Feb 13 22:14:13 Hehe Feb 13 22:14:18 I haven't worn that one in a while. Feb 13 22:14:27 I'm actually doing that one again now Feb 13 22:14:43 I've ordered a dozen t-shirts for the team Feb 13 22:15:04 front says (in italics): Anything Feb 13 22:15:06 is Feb 13 22:15:10 and on the back Feb 13 22:15:17 Easier Feb 13 22:15:19 Than Feb 13 22:15:20 Mail Feb 13 22:15:30 yay irc Feb 13 22:15:56 kerio: did you just go yay because I used bold? Feb 13 22:16:17 no, because irc is easier than mail Feb 13 22:16:22 ah Feb 13 22:16:23 yes Feb 13 22:16:33 basically, I work in a company that provides call centre services Feb 13 22:16:49 we plug into your existing phone system, no up front cost, you configure your IVR, routing, whatever. Feb 13 22:16:59 Now, we're trying to do the same with email Feb 13 22:17:05 Fuck me, hardest thing ever. Feb 13 22:17:14 yeah, mail is ridiculous Feb 13 22:17:15 On 1st April, we go live. Feb 13 22:17:27 I'm fairly sure that by noon, we'll be blacklisted on every single mail server in the world. Feb 13 22:17:31 nice Feb 13 22:17:53 We implement SPF, DKIM, whatever you want. Fucking emails still get flagged as spam. Feb 13 22:18:27 oooh, GeneralAntilles, want to see a !cool marketing video about what we do? Feb 13 22:18:38 teotwaki: so basically you try to be google apps Feb 13 22:18:41 except that you're not google Feb 13 22:18:49 google apps? Fuck no. Feb 13 22:18:53 google apps mail Feb 13 22:18:55 or something Feb 13 22:18:58 nha Feb 13 22:19:02 we route email. Feb 13 22:19:10 You have a support@whatever.com address Feb 13 22:19:30 when an email comes in, we match it to an agent who's both available, and qualified to manage that email Feb 13 22:19:53 Hit me with it. Feb 13 22:19:57 Sure Feb 13 22:20:02 http://www.colt.net/uk/en/products-services/interactive-voice/colt-interactiv-solution/index.htm Feb 13 22:20:46 http://privatepaste.com/9c9bb6e15e Feb 13 22:21:07 just to let community know who kills maemo Feb 13 22:23:03 DocScrutinizer: if you have a phone number, I can make our servers call him every 3 seconds, over the next 2 months :) Feb 13 22:24:05 GeneralAntilles: thoughts? Feb 13 22:24:10 teotwaki: sorry but board not even hands out own address for paperwork to prepare for them, with iphh.net - warfare had to use the address from whois hildonfoundation.org Feb 13 22:24:17 2:30 Feb 13 22:24:49 haha Feb 13 22:24:53 teotwaki: whois has to list a phone number Feb 13 22:24:55 go for it Feb 13 22:25:00 teotwaki, it's pretty decent, actually. Feb 13 22:25:01 Tech Organization:Hildon Foundation Feb 13 22:25:02 Tech Street1:50 Majestic Ct. Feb 13 22:25:03 Tech Street2:#310 Feb 13 22:25:04 Tech Street3: Feb 13 22:25:05 Tech City:Moorpark Feb 13 22:25:06 Tech State/Province:California Feb 13 22:25:07 Tech Postal Code:93021 Feb 13 22:25:08 Tech Country:US Feb 13 22:25:08 Tech Phone:+1.8055593005 Feb 13 22:25:13 spam, dude Feb 13 22:25:15 just saying.... Feb 13 22:25:29 That's Tim's contact info, isn't it. . . . Feb 13 22:25:30 I could even make the call originate from s.elop's phone, if anyone has that :) Feb 13 22:25:35 yeah, it's Tim. Feb 13 22:25:37 indeed Feb 13 22:25:44 yes, and Tim isn't the right person to spam Feb 13 22:25:57 thedead1440: nice job on publishing his phone on the interwebs :) Feb 13 22:25:58 teotwaki, the voiceover needs fewer extraneous buzz words Feb 13 22:26:06 GeneralAntilles: yeah, it's marketing. Feb 13 22:26:13 teotwaki: i give a rat's a** about it Feb 13 22:26:21 But I'm not its target audience so I'm not in a good position to judge Feb 13 22:26:27 Pacing is a little slow. Feb 13 22:26:37 thedead1440: except Tim is a good dude, he doesn't deserve it :) Feb 13 22:26:45 It's clear and to-the-point, though. Feb 13 22:26:46 thedead1440: also, you're allowed to say ass, fuck, titties. Feb 13 22:26:58 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I kind like it too. It doesn't work for shit with customers though. Feb 13 22:27:00 nipple! Feb 13 22:27:20 teotwaki, do you also have a nice webpage explaining it? Feb 13 22:27:30 good dude? dream on... If i was the Chair of a Board and one member was getting out of hand i would have shut him up long ago Feb 13 22:27:33 Too many companies are dumping a bunch of information in videos. Feb 13 22:27:43 thedead1440, Tim's Good People Feb 13 22:27:48 But he's busy people with a family. Feb 13 22:27:49 instead of saying this is real life; take it or leave it more or less Feb 13 22:28:12 teotwaki, is the call every 3 second thing offer available to me as well? Feb 13 22:28:16 GeneralAntilles: well, we don't actually sell the solution to "Eric" or his company. We sell it to network operators, who then resell it to their customers. Feb 13 22:28:20 MohammadAG: sure. Feb 13 22:28:27 s/thing// Feb 13 22:28:28 MohammadAG meant: teotwaki, is the call every 3 second offer available to me as well? Feb 13 22:28:39 thanks :p Feb 13 22:28:40 MohammadAG: give me your phone number. Feb 13 22:28:47 I'll play you gangnam style :) Feb 13 22:28:49 GeneralAntilles: personal character is different from incompetence; FWIW Elop could be a good soul too but he's incompetent Feb 13 22:28:51 MohammadAG: just in time for the apocalypse Feb 13 22:28:55 I feel like I'm gonna regret this :P Feb 13 22:29:21 got it, give me a couple seconds to set it up Feb 13 22:29:43 DocScrutinizer05, what apocalypse? Feb 13 22:29:45 fuck this vpn Feb 13 22:29:51 I see maemo has been reincarnated Feb 13 22:31:44 reincarcerated Feb 13 22:32:56 ey Feb 13 22:33:00 nice phone number Feb 13 22:33:03 haha Feb 13 22:33:08 00000000? Feb 13 22:33:09 eeeeeeeeeey sexy number Feb 13 22:33:33 this is awesome Feb 13 22:33:39 haha, wanna see more? Feb 13 22:33:41 teotwaki style Feb 13 22:33:45 sure! Feb 13 22:33:49 +330000000 yeah Feb 13 22:33:57 not sure about 0 count but yeah Feb 13 22:34:12 golden! > >We have unpaid volunteer swho have no consequence from us if they bork our infrastructure.[/quote name=Robert_Bauer]<< I see exactly one guy who volunteered for a minor job of keeping an eye on maemo assets and still managed to bork whole maemo.org from this remote position. Feb 13 22:37:06 MohammadAG: shoot, obviously the TTS doesn't work... Feb 13 22:37:32