**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 22 02:59:58 2013 Feb 22 03:39:59 thedead1440: thanks i check that, but sad that near PgUp and PgDn dont have also home and end or switch inside sym+ctrl menu with keys f1-f12... Feb 22 11:07:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp89tTDxXuI Feb 22 11:07:28 italians do it better :) Feb 22 12:32:45 [personal notice] Thank you NielDK for your dedication to council work and maemo at large despite your personal problems which i hope you'll be able to sort soon to make your life less troubled. Please come here as often and as soon as you feel you can Feb 22 12:34:24 you're always welcome, all the best for you! Feb 22 12:37:01 . Feb 22 12:37:04 [2013-02-22 13:36:40] The box is in the rack, I'm going to install it in a few minutes ;) Feb 22 12:39:58 yay Feb 22 12:59:37 yay Feb 22 12:59:57 unless that's code for something else Feb 22 13:00:10 *krrst* the box is in the rack, i repeat, the box is in the rack, over *krsst* Feb 22 14:10:25 thedead1440: ok keys remapped and working hrhr, but now question is phone sucessfully reboot or not? ^^ Feb 22 14:10:52 thedead1440: thanks a lot agaim... Feb 22 14:11:05 Drathir: np ;) Feb 22 14:16:10 damnit Feb 22 14:16:13 fmobi is broken :-/ Feb 22 14:16:17 on symbian Feb 22 14:16:19 ugh Feb 22 14:16:26 and facinate is just not as good Feb 22 14:16:46 Macer: what do fmobi? Feb 22 14:16:47 i didn't even know there was an fmobi for maemo heh Feb 22 14:16:52 facebook client Feb 22 14:16:58 it's probably the best one ever made when it works heh Feb 22 14:17:15 i should bust out the n900 and see if it works Feb 22 14:17:34 isn't gravity a good social app for symbian? Feb 22 14:18:09 i don't think there is an updated qt type version Feb 22 14:18:26 it's like the old ugly interface heh Feb 22 14:21:56 even the stock nokia "social" app is awful heh Feb 22 14:23:12 Macer: try snaptu and ko all gravity Feb 22 14:23:43 cellmo failong :( Feb 22 14:24:34 thedead1440: sad that not see ported gravity to n900 Feb 22 14:25:13 also putty dont see too Feb 22 14:26:50 yeah i have gravity 1.x Feb 22 14:26:53 it's old symbian style Feb 22 14:26:56 s60 type stuff Feb 22 14:26:58 ie: lame heh Feb 22 14:27:41 oh nm Feb 22 14:27:56 i can update to 2.x Feb 22 14:28:12 Drathir: is gravity really needed? I'm not really a social networks user so not too sure but the N900 has good replacements doesn't it? Feb 22 14:28:27 still looks awful lol Feb 22 14:31:32 thedead1440: good? have something old on qt4 for facebook but is a "little" slower than gravity on facebook and twitter api when compare gravity is mor intuitive and faster with use Feb 22 14:32:01 oh ok Feb 22 14:32:34 there is a tweetian backport on the n900 from Harmattan which should be good considering its well-received in Harmattan Feb 22 14:33:21 Macer: i dont know if dont have somewhere my old symbian stuff must look for it Feb 22 14:33:41 i guess gravity 2.x doesn't look too bad Feb 22 14:33:55 fmobi was by far the best one tho Feb 22 14:34:02 but it's broken :-/ don't know why Feb 22 14:34:17 keeps trying to access an address that doesn't exist to authenticate Feb 22 14:34:23 so probably fb problem Feb 22 14:34:40 Macer: change looks for dark color mode other was owfull Feb 22 14:35:17 heh Feb 22 14:35:22 yeah i just changed all that Feb 22 14:35:26 gravity isn't too bad now Feb 22 14:35:37 better than facinte and social to say the least Feb 22 14:35:46 i need to try fmobi on the n900 and see what happens Feb 22 14:35:54 maybe he didn't pay hsi facebook bill :-P Feb 22 14:36:07 Macer: looks like they must update api and program must to be updated maybe they fix it Feb 22 14:36:21 so far it's been that way for like 3 days heh Feb 22 14:36:28 oh well.. no big deal. i can deal with gravity Feb 22 14:37:02 gravity isn't bad once you disable the "blue toolbar" option heh Feb 22 14:37:12 why would you have a blue toolbar by default? it is so ugly Feb 22 14:40:07 Macer: also gravity can handle multiple accounts oauth ssl and stream in near real time Feb 22 14:41:45 i only use fb ;) Feb 22 14:41:53 so the other accts don't matter much to me tbh Feb 22 14:42:14 Macer: now fmobi i check on n900 Feb 22 14:42:22 for using just fb... fmobi is killer heh Feb 22 14:42:37 it is like 10x better than the app that fb themselves make Feb 22 14:42:37 heh Feb 22 14:42:40 awesome interface Feb 22 14:43:19 Macer: gravity also have a thousand options dont see on first look Feb 22 14:44:21 hm Feb 22 14:44:24 why does it use its own kb Feb 22 14:44:29 and not my swype kb? Feb 22 14:44:32 (gravity) Feb 22 14:45:26 Macer: gravity is direct created for twitter in last time they add support for facebook and work on that - twitter is more perfect than facebook when i last using program Feb 22 14:46:02 you can't check in in gravity ;) Feb 22 14:46:30 Macer: kb settings also can be changed if good remember Feb 22 14:46:40 not that i can see Feb 22 14:46:41 heh Feb 22 14:47:31 sadly no :/ my old e51 have a accident and looks little dead ^^ Feb 22 14:47:43 lol Feb 22 14:47:49 i'm running this on an e7 ;) Feb 22 14:47:56 nice Feb 22 14:48:00 what's important to me is the interface more than anything Feb 22 14:48:10 guys here really gave e7 a bad rap Feb 22 14:48:14 it's an awesome device Feb 22 14:48:22 if i knew it was this good i'd have gotten one long ago Feb 22 14:49:00 symbian seems better than maemo.. i just miss the little things Feb 22 14:49:04 like an xserver and xterm ;) Feb 22 14:49:33 for me nokia good phone end on e51 and n900 all phones after sadly are really bad :/ Feb 22 14:49:56 e7 isn't ;) Feb 22 14:50:02 only because it has the qwerty tho heh Feb 22 14:50:24 Macer: actually the E7 was a good device >2 years ago; the EDoF camera, lack of expandable storage etc are really let downs and after using Symbian^3 for a few months the lags always come back to haunt. Feb 22 14:50:29 rally i dont have e7 in my hands Feb 22 14:50:52 thedead1440: yeah those things are valid points Feb 22 14:50:55 but nowadays they are $300 Feb 22 14:50:57 and good ;) Feb 22 14:51:08 i can deal with the 16GB and edof cam Feb 22 14:51:15 i just won't take pics of human blood cells heh Feb 22 14:51:18 yuck, symbian multitasking Feb 22 14:51:24 but nokia 500 when i configure to friend is a pice of bad words Feb 22 14:51:36 sixwheeledbeast: what's wrong with symbian multitasking? :) seems to work ok for me Feb 22 14:51:46 i hate their newer gen phones don't have a kb :-/ Feb 22 14:51:52 no newer phones do nowadays Feb 22 14:51:56 i NEED my qwerty Feb 22 14:52:38 the multitasking seems to work rather well in comparison to say... iphone or wp7 :) even android heh Feb 22 14:52:47 Macer: everything gets hidden and it's counter-intuitive Feb 22 14:52:55 I also NEED a keyboard now Feb 22 14:53:03 sixwheeledbeast: heh.. what do you mean hidden? Feb 22 14:53:17 holding the middle button brings up a task manager Feb 22 14:53:26 similar to the button in maemo on the top left Feb 22 14:53:50 you can even install an app to bring it up by pressing somewhere on the screen heh Feb 22 14:53:55 sixwheeledbeast: on e51 i works on 10+ apps in really good performance one reason why no more was no more of ram in phone i stay less than 5mb free near 2mb and phone go smoothly Feb 22 14:53:59 it strangely reminded me of maemo when i used it Feb 22 14:54:04 minus the xserver :-/ Feb 22 14:54:08 and telepathy Feb 22 14:54:13 it's not "proper" multitasking so to speak, it does work better than If-fone I agree. Feb 22 14:54:15 what i would give for telepathy now heh Feb 22 14:54:33 yes that the reason i took my n900 - have a kb :p Feb 22 14:54:36 9d0ji don't understand Feb 22 14:54:38 oops Feb 22 14:54:42 sixwheeledbeast: i dn't understand :) Feb 22 14:54:47 how is it not proper multitasking? Feb 22 14:54:52 apps continue to run in the background Feb 22 14:55:05 and you have a task manager to get access to them which lists which ones are running and shows a screen shot Feb 22 14:55:11 almost exactly like maemo Feb 22 14:55:43 Drathir: that's why i got the e7 Feb 22 14:55:48 as opposed to like an 808 or something Feb 22 14:55:51 the kb :-/ Feb 22 14:56:01 but there not running together there minimized and you have to go back to each one to get rid Feb 22 14:56:11 er Feb 22 14:56:16 the task manager allows you to close them from the list Feb 22 14:56:38 each one has a little "X" to close them directly from the task manager Feb 22 14:57:11 sixwheeledbeast: new galaxy tab if good hear can handle two aps on half shared screen Feb 22 14:57:16 you must have not used symbian in a while lol... it isn't the same s60 from the n95 days :) although.. i loved my n95 Feb 22 14:57:25 Not in my experience of a 5800 Feb 22 14:57:55 Drathir: I wouldn't have andriod Feb 22 14:57:57 i always thought nokia was stupid for holding onto symbian for so long Feb 22 14:58:07 but after actually using belle... it was about to become awesome Feb 22 14:58:08 symbian was great Feb 22 14:58:10 they were just too late heh Feb 22 14:58:27 android is horribly slow compared to symbian Feb 22 14:58:31 jacekowski: yeah Feb 22 14:58:37 esspecialy early versions of symbian Feb 22 14:58:37 and belle looks very similar to android Feb 22 14:58:41 he Feb 22 14:58:48 the qb based apps look great Feb 22 14:58:53 qt Feb 22 14:58:57 as in 7650 and thereabouts Feb 22 14:59:01 then it somehow got slower Feb 22 14:59:03 sixwheeledbeast: but only show way where this all going to share screen resolution of screen must be really high Feb 22 14:59:11 Drathir: SGS2, SGS3, Note2, a number of Galaxy Tabs and iPad all have split-screen. iPad also has multiple windows (jail-broken) Feb 22 14:59:23 thedead1440: LIES!! Feb 22 14:59:25 heh Feb 22 14:59:29 split screen? Feb 22 14:59:35 Macer: ? Feb 22 14:59:40 phone screens are already tiny and you want to make them smaller Feb 22 14:59:40 i'm joking Feb 22 14:59:45 haha Feb 22 14:59:53 note is rather large Feb 22 14:59:53 heh Feb 22 15:00:18 jacekowski: with good hardware androids work smoothly but dont know if it worth a price Feb 22 15:00:22 i honestly can't picture someone talking on one without using an earpiece Feb 22 15:00:24 but it's more of a preview if you need to work on the screen you fullscreen obv. Feb 22 15:00:27 Drathir: i've got galaxy nexus Feb 22 15:00:28 that thing looks like it needs a hand strap Feb 22 15:00:35 jacekowski: My SGS2 with split-screen is good for the times you want to do a direct copy-paste, chat while waiting for browser to load etc. Use the split-screen then you realize it works well Feb 22 15:00:36 Drathir: which is 2x1.2GHz Feb 22 15:00:55 Drathir: and people that used android for longer than i do claim that it is really fast Feb 22 15:01:03 Drathir: by android standards Feb 22 15:01:13 thedead1440, you mean you're on the official Samsung 4.1.2 ROM? Feb 22 15:01:15 Eww. Feb 22 15:01:18 Drathir: after hearing that, i don't want to know how slow it was before Feb 22 15:01:31 Hurrian: the leaked SGS3 JB ROM Feb 22 15:01:35 heh Feb 22 15:01:45 jacekowski: yeah i don't get that.. when did phones require quad core 2GHz cpus? Feb 22 15:01:49 heh Feb 22 15:02:04 i wish i had that kind of batttery in my e7. it would last for 200 days :) Feb 22 15:02:14 jacekowski: how much ram onboard? Feb 22 15:02:27 1G Feb 22 15:02:28 thedead1440: I'd much prefer swiping from app to app (LMT Launcher, perhaps) instead of split screen on a phone. Feb 22 15:02:36 sounds like my tf101 Feb 22 15:02:54 Hurrian: also things like notification bar having direct access to call the sender of a sms, reply, forward buttons all there make it really useful. My SGS2 is not there for playing around; its for getting things done and it does it fast and well when i need it Feb 22 15:03:22 thedead1440, yep, Android notification bar and quick reply sure is useful. Feb 22 15:03:28 jacekowski: yes i agree it looks a higher performance grade Feb 22 15:03:56 Hurrian: also the ability to play 720p and 1080p without installing any codecs, smart stay from S3 are pretty neat Feb 22 15:04:04 as is the copy of EasyAnswer from the N9 Feb 22 15:04:22 thedead1440, it depends on what device you have Feb 22 15:04:40 If you're unlucky enough to have bought a Tegra 2 device, HD playback on non-baseline profile is shit. Feb 22 15:05:08 I play non-baseline HD normally Feb 22 15:05:15 its not only device but drivers Feb 22 15:05:25 and Samsung's own ROMs have best support for playback Feb 22 15:05:39 Yup, my Note 2 plays anything I throw at it, even Hi10p videos. Feb 22 15:05:54 that's cheating; Note 2 vs S2 :p Feb 22 15:06:33 The only downside is that I rarely, if ever, bring it out with me. Feb 22 15:06:37 if n900 can use 720p with accelerate in mplayer that was really strong Feb 22 15:07:08 I used to have a S2, until I broke the screen. Bought a Note 2, thinking I'll play with it as much as I did with the S2. Feb 22 15:08:52 thedead1440, speaking of split screen, I just got a U2311H, and it's frakkin' big compared to my old 18.5" Samsung. Feb 22 15:08:55 yup the Note2 is pretty decent Feb 22 15:09:32 Hurrian: ah nice; finally 2 Word documents properly split ;) Feb 22 15:10:04 I can finally see the point behind tiling WMs, too. Before I got this, I had only one app on screen at any given time. Feb 22 15:10:48 imo, a full size tablet would make 100% use of split-screen. Feb 22 15:11:04 Hurrian: indeed iPad makes good use of multi-windows too Feb 22 15:11:28 thedead1440, /that/ jailbreak tweak finally got tiling WM mode? Feb 22 15:11:45 Hurrian: you mean Quasar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_DvfOOeJE Its since 2011 Feb 22 15:12:02 Last time I tried it, it used floating windows, which were cool, but wasted a lot of space. Didn't see a tiling mode last time. Feb 22 15:12:04 s/2011/2012/ Feb 22 15:12:04 thedead1440 meant: Hurrian: you mean Quasar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_DvfOOeJE Its since 2012 Feb 22 15:12:49 its floating windows but you can put 2 windows properly with little wastage Feb 22 15:13:17 Ah. Well, Apple better start making their apps resolution and aspect-independent, like Android. Feb 22 15:13:32 the HW arms race has made multi-tasking really a foregone conclusion Feb 22 15:13:44 That was one of my main gripes with Quasar back then - apps just scaled, they didn't morph. Feb 22 15:14:24 ah seems better now Feb 22 15:14:47 thedead1440: the multitasking needs to not feel awkward. Feb 22 15:15:52 Hurrian: indeed but its getting there isn't it? Due to the powerful HW poor SW is disguised Feb 22 15:16:01 The current Android and iOS multitasking model is fucked, really. It takes you out of the moment. Feb 22 15:16:43 What needs to be done is a multitasking environment where you feel that all the apps you have open are a glance/swipe away. Feb 22 15:16:57 yup or you can tile them all Feb 22 15:17:38 thedead1440: a "wall" of apps, arranged in a tiled grid, each app occupying full screen, and you can simply swipe through them. Feb 22 15:17:43 i wasn't willing to install the leaked S3 ROM since i felt split-screen is a gimmick but using it for somewhile the worth is there when you really are multi-tasking. Feb 22 15:18:22 Is split screen on the S2's screen comfortable? I can't imagine a square web browser window. Feb 22 15:18:52 Hurrian: imagine on 3G you are waiting for TMO to load and you chat below on Gtalk while the loading is done Feb 22 15:19:08 multiply that by 6-8times and it makes sense then Feb 22 15:19:42 you don't have to swipe or press any button to monitor the load of webpage progress Feb 22 15:19:47 ooh Feb 22 15:20:23 or having maps in one split window and gtalk/etc on the other Feb 22 15:20:29 Did you change your system font size? I can imagine the split screen enabled apps being really cramped on the stock font size. Feb 22 15:20:44 yup its slightly smaller for me Feb 22 15:21:20 thdead1440: imo, the holy grail of mobile multitasking is a DS-style double screened phone. Feb 22 15:21:33 Or, a sliding one with two identically-sized screens. Feb 22 15:21:38 before this i used to use hybrid mode ROM. It had a mix of tablet and phone UI so like for settings you don't need to click click click and then back back but navigate like a tablet Feb 22 15:22:04 Hurrian: yup that would be really cool and desirable Feb 22 15:22:17 hello Feb 22 15:22:23 thedead1440: I tried PA on my S2 before, when it didn't have the pie function, and was only troubled by the waste of space the SW keys have Feb 22 15:22:44 now, if you have a S2 without the hardware keys, that's another story Feb 22 15:22:56 true it was fixed later on iirc Feb 22 15:23:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47360 - I'm looking for this .deb, but link in the thread is dead Feb 22 15:23:28 If they made a Note 2-sized Galaxy Nexus, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Feb 22 15:23:34 I'd do a lot to avoid compiling on phone; bunch of photos were deleted accidentally and I don't want to write anything in their place Feb 22 15:23:41 ParanoidAndroid PIE is the boss. Feb 22 15:23:45 Hurrian: yup that would be epic Feb 22 15:24:39 I also dig the build quality of Samsung. They give you expandable memory, user-replacable battery and a good screen but its all plastic. Kinda feels cheap no matter how good the internals are Feb 22 15:25:31 Use N9-esque build quality+materials and its suddenly so much more desirable Feb 22 15:26:10 thedead1440, I don't really give a crap about Samsung's flexiplastic build (see the battery cover, ffs). I stick it into a rubber/plastic shell, and call it a day. Feb 22 15:26:24 hehe Feb 22 15:27:16 (Not to the extent of putting it in an Otterbox, but I usually use a clear plastic condom just to keep the device body safe from cracks) Feb 22 15:27:36 haha i use a plastic shell usually Feb 22 15:27:41 otterbox ftw Feb 22 15:27:45 its not worth to be left naked like the n9 :D Feb 22 15:28:27 thedead1440, if there's one thing I could tell phone manufacturers: stop making it thinner, give us bigger LiPos Feb 22 15:28:41 +1 to that Feb 22 15:28:55 we /have/ to be approaching the physical limit of manufacturing these things Feb 22 15:29:39 imo, start researching ways of making them less brittle, make them water resistant like most Sharp android phones from Japan, and put a bigger battery in there. Feb 22 15:29:53 There's no reason a $600 device should be that brittle. Feb 22 15:30:00 Yes water resistant like Sharp or Xperia FTW Feb 22 15:31:04 Its kinda a trend to make them anorexic but now that we seem to be reaching a limit maybe just maybe they go the other way and start stuffing a larger battery etc Feb 22 15:31:39 Hurrian: I'm fairly sure in 1983, someone said the same about CPUs "Stop making it smaller, I want it to be able to ventilate like mad. We /have/ to be approaching the physical limit of manufacturing these things." Feb 22 15:31:40 yup, I don't see the problem in that, people carry Note 2s in their pockets, what's an additional 2mm? Feb 22 15:32:43 teotwaki: If they can manufacture the PCB on the shell, props to them. Feb 22 15:32:56 So many coworkers have expensive fancy phones with broken glass screens... :-) Feb 22 15:33:20 too thin bezel, too thin phone, not enough shell to absorb impact and bending forces Feb 22 15:33:36 ShadowJK, it's about the glass being on the outside, and not the bezel. Feb 22 15:33:44 I blame Apple for making this thing popular. Feb 22 15:34:00 It looks pretty good, but it simply shatters way too easily. Feb 22 15:34:22 Well they did raise the bar on getting better looking phones in a way Feb 22 15:34:39 The worst offender wrt glass on the outside in the Android camp is the GNote. Feb 22 15:34:43 Uhh, GNex. Feb 22 15:34:45 Whoops, sleepy. Feb 22 15:35:03 I heard the Nexus4 too has a glass issue due to the glass-back Feb 22 15:35:20 it has a /glass back/? Feb 22 15:35:25 Man, what's the point of that? Feb 22 15:35:39 Hurrian: to catch more fingerprints Feb 22 15:35:58 Not too sure but that's the last i read. They are damn rare in Singapore so haven't got a close-up with one yet Feb 22 15:36:12 Given that Nexus devices are the epitome of cost-cutting, while looking good, I'm surprised they didn't slap a hologram sticker on a plastic back. Feb 22 15:37:01 Hurrian: yup glass back: http://www.nexus4forum.com/forum/nexus-4-general-discussion/301-glass-back-shattered.html Feb 22 15:37:50 Wow. That's just looking for accidents. Feb 22 15:38:22 Indeed i would have thought they would have learned from ip4 and ip4s disasters Feb 22 15:38:24 Did every phone manufacturer simply stop using the sides and back as buffer zones for hits? Feb 22 15:39:04 seems like it. They cut costs then make sure you have to pay to get it repaired so earning back somewhat what they lost initially Feb 22 15:39:47 That's a pretty sad state of affairs. Feb 22 15:40:50 Its always been like that. Nokia used to abuse after-sales repairs too with crazy prices for minor things and their premium lines had a lot of these minor issues too. Feb 22 15:41:20 thedead1440, they do that half-intentionally with shitty QA for products. Feb 22 15:41:23 like usb ports falling off? Feb 22 15:41:27 heh Feb 22 15:41:33 I don't thing anything is manufactured to last now, they want you to buy the next one. Feb 22 15:41:49 my n95 was pretty good Feb 22 15:41:49 heh Feb 22 15:41:52 lasted years Feb 22 15:41:53 Macer: that's a more recent phenomenon :D It inflicted the N8 too Feb 22 15:42:00 yeah Feb 22 15:42:02 hi Feb 22 15:42:05 that's awful Feb 22 15:42:05 heh Feb 22 15:42:25 usb ports falling of is major fail Feb 22 15:42:51 Macer: on the N8 the Nokia VP or something like that acknowledged it and asked for people with issues to bring it to their nearest Nokia Care but to get it replaced was utterly troublesome so most people would do it at 3rd parties Feb 22 15:42:54 like the iss having itself implode because of a cheap weld Feb 22 15:43:17 Hurrian: indeed Feb 22 15:43:37 i can't even think of where a nokia care center would be in chicago heh Feb 22 15:43:55 i think nokia still has too much arrogance in its head Feb 22 15:44:08 where they think they can give a huge chunk of their users the finger heh Feb 22 15:44:08 e.g. N900 being soldered under the sun, N9 CNCd pretty wrong, Lumias bricking, etc. Feb 22 15:44:31 n900s being soldered under the sun? Feb 22 15:44:31 heh Feb 22 15:44:40 was there a sky window or something? Feb 22 15:44:45 Macer, s/under/by/ Feb 22 15:44:57 heh Feb 22 15:44:57 haha Feb 22 15:45:09 my lumia 900 was fine other than software issues Feb 22 15:45:15 still is.. i might ebay it soon Feb 22 15:45:21 Macer: L920 has major bricking issues Feb 22 15:45:22 "100% tin solder! RoHS ultracompliant!" Feb 22 15:45:27 hehe Feb 22 15:45:29 haha Feb 22 15:45:35 ultracompliant ;) Feb 22 15:45:42 because compliant isn't enough! Feb 22 15:45:59 i had 2 n900s Feb 22 15:46:03 1 usb port fell off Feb 22 15:46:05 1 modem brok Feb 22 15:46:06 e Feb 22 15:46:17 after the 2nd one i was in despair and gave up on them Feb 22 15:46:32 i mean i would have bought a 3rd and 4th if i broke them myself :) Feb 22 15:46:51 fwiw, Sharp makes a pretty long-lasting phone. Feb 22 15:47:02 what does it run tho? android i'm sure Feb 22 15:47:03 heh Feb 22 15:47:07 Macer: Same happened to my n8 but luckily just in time for the N9's release so i chucked it happily Feb 22 15:47:07 I have an Intel Atom-powered F-07C which runs hot 24/7. Feb 22 15:47:14 Macer: Windows 7. Feb 22 15:47:18 Hurrian: that is one cool device Feb 22 15:47:26 Hurrian: meh Feb 22 15:47:38 windows 8 you mean? or wp7 Feb 22 15:47:39 ? Feb 22 15:47:51 my lumia 900 was suppsoed to get some lame wp7.8 update Feb 22 15:47:53 It requires a nuclear reactor to run, but it hasn't shown any sign of bright spots on the LCD. Feb 22 15:48:12 Macer: Windows 7, as in Windows NT 6.1.7601, x86. Feb 22 15:48:16 oh wow Feb 22 15:48:20 an x86 phone? Feb 22 15:48:22 nice Feb 22 15:48:37 you have a pic of it? Feb 22 15:49:14 Macer, I'll take a pic tomorrow, can't exactly use a flash at this time. Feb 22 15:49:27 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6172513392_bb2d394abf.jpg Feb 22 15:49:29 that thing? Feb 22 15:49:44 Yep, mine's a bit brighter blue though. Feb 22 15:49:55 lol Feb 22 15:50:01 that's the problem with x86 Feb 22 15:50:05 they cant solve the heat problem :) Feb 22 15:50:06 It probably lasts 5 hours on standby. Feb 22 15:50:16 and power problem lol Feb 22 15:50:38 you would think that intel would do the obvious thing.. .and use an arm in conjunction with an x86 cpu Feb 22 15:50:47 It probably needs a quadruple-SCUD to run acceptably. Feb 22 15:50:55 lol! Feb 22 15:51:19 Macer: If you don't feel like burning power, you can switch to the maimed Symbian OS on it Feb 22 15:51:31 symbian on x86? :) Feb 22 15:51:36 Apparently, yes. Feb 22 15:51:52 I guess you could have a little ARM core that runs Symbian, and simply boots Windows when you need it on the x86 core. Feb 22 15:51:59 yeah Feb 22 15:52:01 that would have been better Feb 22 15:52:09 it has a fan? Feb 22 15:52:10 heh Feb 22 15:52:33 Nah, passively cooled. Processor's under clocked to 0.6GHz for obvious reasons. Feb 22 15:53:01 I'll probably need to be in Japan to safely use it at 1.2GHz all the time Feb 22 15:53:02 that is the last Symbian device from Japan iirc Feb 22 15:53:22 http://www.morisoba.jp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/P7308875.jpg Feb 22 15:53:25 thedead1440, Symbian's everywhere on Sharp's low-mid end devices. Feb 22 15:53:26 that thing looks pretty cool Feb 22 15:53:27 heh Feb 22 15:53:55 wonder if i can get one to work on att 3G in the US heh Feb 22 15:54:13 It's just not quite recognizable as Symbian. Nor does it work anything like Series 60 Symbian. Feb 22 15:54:24 you mean fujitsu Feb 22 15:54:25 not sharp heh Feb 22 15:55:16 Nah, Sharp still makes low-end flip phones for Docomo. Feb 22 15:55:50 They suck though, unless you're a weeaboo. It's ridiculously locked down if you're not using the carrier's SIM on it. Feb 22 15:55:52 3G Network : HSDPA 800, 850, 1700, 2100 MHz Feb 22 15:56:04 1700? Feb 22 15:56:05 No camera, no internet access, no image viewer, etc. Feb 22 15:56:19 Macer: Japan has their own bizarre band thing going on. Feb 22 15:56:43 IIRC, the USA at least has a network on the 2100 and 800 bands, so you should be good to go with that Feb 22 15:56:44 i thought in the US tmobile used 1700 Feb 22 15:57:03 yeah i think att uses 2100 Feb 22 15:57:06 not positive tho Feb 22 15:57:13 otherwise i'd buy this thing heh Feb 22 15:57:26 http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOCOMO-FUJITSU-F-07C-LOOX-WINDOWS-7-SMARTPHONE-UNLOCKED-JAPAN-/230932008374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c49ecdb6 Feb 22 15:57:31 and the dock :) Feb 22 15:57:58 why don't they sell cool shit like this in the US? :) Feb 22 15:58:06 Japan always come up with good phones; see this WP from Toshiba one of the first WP7 and i think the best WP7 http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-toshiba-is12t-wp7-mango-phone-official-27167634/ Feb 22 15:58:08 instead we get stupid iphones Feb 22 15:58:09 595USD? Lemme tell you, it isn't worth it, unless you're seriously into it. Feb 22 15:58:30 can it run linux? Feb 22 15:58:34 (P.S.: It works with Ubuntu 11.10, last I tried.) Feb 22 15:58:35 or does it HAVE to run windows? Feb 22 15:58:37 oh Feb 22 15:58:38 heh Feb 22 15:59:00 more like 635 Feb 22 15:59:03 after shipping Feb 22 15:59:04 Getting into the BIOS and messing with it is a bitch though. Feb 22 15:59:23 is it in japanese? :) Feb 22 15:59:48 sad that x86 and x64 cpus cant shutdown and start fast and systems can works on the fly with arm and 86/64 cpus will be good to place on motherboard arm core and system start in hybrid mode arm+cpu86or64 and when booted up if not used turn off cpu and still works on arm core low power when need more power that arm can give turn on cpu dynamically... Feb 22 16:00:01 Nah, it's the english InsydeH2O-based BIOS. Feb 22 16:00:29 olpc had quick start/stop Feb 22 16:00:35 you try putting win8 on it? :) Feb 22 16:00:36