**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 26 02:59:58 2013 Feb 26 05:54:44 mooo Feb 26 07:20:40 moo Feb 26 09:42:59 http://www.gizmag.com/nokia-105-mobile-phone-month-long-battery-life/26413/ <-- I think I found my next phone Feb 26 10:09:47 well, in polish, smoking is a dinner suit too ;) Feb 26 10:40:37 smokki Feb 26 13:39:48 hello.use scratchbox2.the mirror is outdated.need to change it Feb 26 13:41:00 when i use install tools it tryes to fetch from debian.org,but lenny is moved to archive.debian.org Feb 26 13:57:17 so... i'm reflashing Feb 26 14:00:06 looks like the maemo platform is completely abandoned Feb 26 14:01:32 is it now? Feb 26 14:02:28 deepy: clearly, people not responding to badly-phrased questions about systems that nobody likes are the sign that maemo is dead Feb 26 14:02:43 i mean, people still HAVEN'T ANSWERED A QUESTION! Feb 26 14:02:49 FROM ZSOLT! Feb 26 14:02:59 Oh, I didn't realize it was a question Feb 26 14:03:07 such are the times after lunch Feb 26 14:04:26 most of the maemo.org's links are out of date,try to download maemo sdk vm,can't find it Feb 26 14:08:12 ~mirror Feb 26 14:08:12 i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error Feb 26 14:09:18 ~skeiron Feb 26 14:09:18 methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Feb 26 14:16:14 GODDAMMIT FUCKING NOKIA HORSE FUCKERS AND THEIR FUCKING CHERRY Feb 26 14:16:26 ROTFL Feb 26 14:16:53 each flashing another pleasant surprise, right? ;-P Feb 26 14:17:24 anyway, apparently there really isn't a way to avoid it on firstboot Feb 26 14:17:28 like, there's no way to "cancel" Feb 26 14:17:50 I promise we'll nuke THAT one for everybody as soon as we have sufficient control over stuff (if ever) Feb 26 14:18:50 and now the happy HAM times Feb 26 14:18:52 when cherry pops up, it's probably safe to power down device and remove SIM Feb 26 14:19:01 DocScrutinizer05: it's what i ended up doing Feb 26 14:19:03 i hope Feb 26 14:20:22 then follow detailed instructions how to neuter that cherry shit and clean out hidden pending SMS Feb 26 14:20:56 it's not exactly simple procedure Feb 26 14:21:16 since it includes editing files iirg Feb 26 14:21:33 hidden pending sms? really? :o Feb 26 14:21:35 ~jrtools Feb 26 14:21:36 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Feb 26 14:21:40 just to ask; its one sms right? Why take so much trouble for just one sms sent? Feb 26 14:22:23 a) it's my money, b) it's premium SMS money in some countries, c) it's not OK Feb 26 14:23:53 d) to unregister that nonsensical service, "MyNokia" sends yet another SMS Feb 26 14:24:11 suckers Feb 26 14:24:21 hehe Feb 26 14:24:47 it's like SPAM "click here if you don't want further mail from us" Feb 26 14:24:56 yup Feb 26 14:24:57 what does it send anyway? Feb 26 14:25:19 to collect data about customers in an unlawful way Feb 26 14:25:41 SIM ID, phone number, what else? Feb 26 14:26:00 I'm extremely surprised *nobody* has sued them for that all the time Feb 26 14:26:22 phone number and "N900" obviously Feb 26 14:26:34 I got a cheap Nokia-101 and they too ask to send sms Feb 26 14:26:36 sufficient to send you unsolicited spam SMS Feb 26 14:26:50 at least you have the option to tell it to shutup and not send Feb 26 14:27:16 jon_y: *ask* is OK. *Enforce* and do in a sneaky way is *not* Feb 26 14:27:41 I don't remember seeing the option to not send in the n900 Feb 26 14:27:50 there's none Feb 26 14:28:26 so just hold the power button to reboot and nuke it after that? Feb 26 14:28:42 hehe, on next boot it shows up again Feb 26 14:29:05 well, nuke it after you reboot the first time Feb 26 14:29:22 I miss my n900, still under repairs Feb 26 14:29:25 it *will* send that SMs, unless you remove SIM and then neuter/nuke the whole shit Feb 26 14:29:29 for more than a month Feb 26 14:30:26 will touch /home/user/.cherry_state Feb 26 14:30:29 kill it? Feb 26 14:32:25 no, not if it already tried to send. then it will keep the hidden SMS in some .rtcom/* files iirc, until you insert SIM again Feb 26 14:32:47 touch /home/user/.cherry_state only helps to stop it from ever sending that SMS Feb 26 14:33:11 so my advice on ~jrtools probably also is useless Feb 26 14:33:20 so start without sim, reboot, nuke it Feb 26 14:33:25 yep Feb 26 14:33:28 and then insert sim Feb 26 14:33:32 ok, got it Feb 26 14:33:49 the Symbian desktop w works like maemo community Feb 26 14:34:14 with the way it places icons when rotating Feb 26 14:34:22 weird Feb 26 14:34:48 belle is oddly incredibly to maemo Feb 26 14:34:54 similar Feb 26 14:35:17 is it just a qt thing? or a shift towards the meego look? Feb 26 14:38:03 why, oh why did i reflash Feb 26 15:29:03 goddammit why am i doing this Feb 26 15:29:05 i don't want to do this Feb 26 15:32:36 still no extras-devel repo? Feb 26 15:33:01 extras-devel.merlin1991.at Feb 26 15:34:06 kerio: add that as a repo? Feb 26 16:45:26 ~bme-replacement Feb 26 16:45:27 rumour has it, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ Feb 26 16:49:44 test Feb 26 16:49:47 s/$/ing Feb 26 16:49:53 test Feb 26 16:49:58 s/st/sting/ Feb 26 16:49:59 teotwaki meant: testing Feb 26 16:52:32 goddammit i'm only doing this because of the fucking Conversations aren't i Feb 26 17:01:54 ~rescueOS Feb 26 17:01:56 from memory, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Feb 26 17:04:07 NIN102: ping Feb 26 17:04:22 can you include wifi FW into rescueOS? Feb 26 17:04:30 Hi guys! Feb 26 17:06:30 meh, fuck this shit, i'm restoring my backup Feb 26 17:14:30 Pali: no Feb 26 17:14:39 why? Feb 26 17:14:40 I am not sure about the licence situation etc. Feb 26 17:14:49 license is redistributable Feb 26 17:15:02 hmm, then maybe. Feb 26 17:15:06 once I have time. Feb 26 17:15:48 here is tarball: https://api.pub.meego.com/public/source/CE:Adaptation:N900/ti-wl1251-firmware/ti-wl1251-firmware_0.4.tar.bz2 Feb 26 17:16:06 contains same firmware as in maemo rootfs Feb 26 17:31:53 Any Qvernote users here? Feb 26 18:43:42 new tmo and new garage look good Feb 26 18:44:34 :-) Feb 26 18:44:50 wmo and mo/* are still suffering from smo issues (port81 botch) Feb 26 18:46:12 same for bmo Feb 26 18:46:50 sorry, bmo suffering db connectivity issues Feb 26 19:27:34 smo up and fixed, wmo and mo/* working fine. lmo might work - missing proper URL to test it right now Feb 26 19:28:14 bmo still db-error Feb 26 19:29:07 warfare took an offtime so he doesn't get funny in the head from all this :-) MANY THANKS warfare!! AWESOME WORK! Feb 26 19:30:31 WE LOVE YOU warfare!!! Feb 26 19:30:34 <3 Feb 26 19:30:51 hold on, an offtime from what Feb 26 19:31:11 from working on our new server day and night Feb 26 19:31:21 Could we learn infobot about all the *mo's? Feb 26 19:31:32 sure Feb 26 19:32:15 ~#maemo mo/* is http//maemo.org/* and http://www.maemo.org Feb 26 19:32:15 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 19:32:37 ~#maemo smo is static.maemo.org Feb 26 19:32:37 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 19:32:50 ~#maemo bmo is bugs.maemo.org Feb 26 19:32:51 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Feb 26 19:33:13 ~#maemo lmo is lists.maemo.org aka mail.maemo.org Feb 26 19:33:14 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 19:33:56 People still use tge n900? Feb 26 19:34:01 the Feb 26 19:34:20 eh, yes :) Feb 26 19:34:22 ~#maemo db is a local virtual machine on ~mo/* that holds a database Feb 26 19:34:23 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 19:34:36 ~#maemo gmo is garage.maemo.org Feb 26 19:34:37 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Feb 26 19:35:27 DocScrutinizer05: do we have cute hostnames for the machines? Feb 26 19:35:44 :shrug: same as they ever been Feb 26 19:35:57 we cloned the VM Feb 26 19:36:02 VMs even Feb 26 19:36:15 hm, the blades are blade-a and blade-b Feb 26 19:36:23 and not beavis and butthead Feb 26 19:36:25 we got blade-a and blade-b for the dom0 Feb 26 19:36:27 this makes me sad Feb 26 19:37:40 http://privatepaste.com/dbc980e933 http://privatepaste.com/efd4817c83 Feb 26 19:41:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Plan_for_migration_.2F_Timeline Feb 26 19:44:27 sorry for the ambiguous/bogus "location" column in that table Feb 26 19:47:26 what is the function of vcs/drop? Feb 26 19:56:59 drop is where you upload stuff for autobuilder Feb 26 19:57:15 vcs is the sourcecode "repository" Feb 26 19:57:27 aiui Feb 26 19:58:16 ~#maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org Feb 26 19:58:16 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 19:59:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Feb 26 19:59:53 ok, thx DocScrutinizer05 Feb 26 20:01:07 DocScrutinizer05: hi :) Do you remember that last week we (briefly) discussed some font corruption? Feb 26 20:01:42 yep, but only on scrolling. Otherwise my memory is empty and clean Feb 26 20:01:53 exactly. I tracked down the problem, and it turned out to be something with fontconfig Feb 26 20:02:17 good, so a sw problem :-) Feb 26 20:02:31 Long long ago I put some custom font config rules on my phone (copied from my desktop), which somehow seems to cause this... Feb 26 20:02:44 I got it down to this minimal working example: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5041622 Feb 26 20:03:43 putting that as local.conf in /etc/fonts makes the fonts garble when scrolling upwards in some lists :/ Feb 26 20:04:42 ~#maemo dmo is also vcs.maemo.org Feb 26 20:04:42 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Feb 26 20:05:06 ~#maemo vmo is see #maemo dmo Feb 26 20:05:06 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Feb 26 20:05:11 ~vmo Feb 26 20:05:11 i guess #maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org, or vcs.maemo.org Feb 26 20:06:00 hmmmm Feb 26 20:06:03 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders Feb 26 20:06:24 ~xxxx is see #maemo vmo Feb 26 20:06:24 DocScrutinizer05: okay Feb 26 20:06:30 ~xxxx Feb 26 20:06:31 methinks #maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org, or vcs.maemo.org Feb 26 20:06:47 *cough* Feb 26 20:06:50 bot is #maemofied :) Feb 26 20:06:53 ~forget xxxx Feb 26 20:06:53 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxxx Feb 26 20:07:38 Will IPHH monitor OS on the VMs? Feb 26 20:07:53 who? IPHH? nah, hardly Feb 26 20:08:04 we'll do Feb 26 20:08:17 Ok, so we have a VM for monitoring? Feb 26 20:08:27 we have a sysop for monitoring Feb 26 20:08:31 heh Feb 26 20:08:40 http://213.128.137.6/mrtg/ Feb 26 20:09:16 I was think about disk capacity, CPU load and so on Feb 26 20:09:25 not traffic Feb 26 20:09:27 we'll not make nagios / munin etc publicly accessable, for obvious reasons Feb 26 20:09:47 sure, but we have it? Feb 26 20:09:54 not yet Feb 26 20:09:57 ok Feb 26 20:10:13 http://privatepaste.com/dbc980e933 http://privatepaste.com/efd4817c83 Feb 26 20:10:32 i also want a "ismaemoorgrunningrightnow.com" site Feb 26 20:10:39 that statically says "YES" Feb 26 20:11:04 for YOU it will something customized though ;-P Feb 26 20:11:11 DocScrutinizer05: it's brilliant, dude Feb 26 20:11:12 will say* Feb 26 20:11:23 you can just run it on the same web server Feb 26 20:11:33 and "YES" will always be accurate Feb 26 20:12:21 kinda like http://www.dyrmdaily.com/wp-content/themes/lcp_blu/images/garys-weather-stone-dyrmdaily-pic-of-the-day-570x426.jpg Feb 26 20:12:30 meh, you obviously never heard of the soviet russian method to switch off light when going to sleep Feb 26 20:12:47 oh, it appears that i linked to a photoshopped racist version of that picture :s Feb 26 20:13:00 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phqfh1/wx-stone2.jpg this one is legit Feb 26 20:13:31 DocScrutinizer05: hm, does it involve drinking vodka until you don't care anymore about the light? Feb 26 20:13:46 take your kalashinov to shoot the lightbulb, then ignite a magnesia torch to see if you missed Feb 26 20:13:58 kalashnikov Feb 26 20:14:27 DocScrutinizer05: and use your dashcam to record it? Feb 26 20:14:40 I heard that's a standard joke in Soviet army Feb 26 20:16:16 anyway, we have IPMI, dom0 xm top, and we will get munin and nagios Feb 26 20:16:41 and maybe some minor keep-alive monitoring from IPHH facilities Feb 26 20:17:11 nagios is active surveillance, right? Feb 26 20:17:23 yup, afaik Feb 26 20:17:29 (no expert here9 Feb 26 20:17:31 ) Feb 26 20:17:57 you can define alarms and triggers in nagios, I heard Feb 26 20:18:40 for now we don't need monitoring, we need storage Feb 26 20:18:56 DocScrutinizer05: were the 2tb added? Feb 26 20:19:04 BWAHAHA Feb 26 20:19:38 HiFo talked Nokia into sponsoring them (maybe), which is fine but has the downside of taking weeks Feb 26 20:20:24 so Nokia takes weeks, HiFo refuses to pay, I'll buy a single 2TB drive and ship it to Hamburg for warfare Feb 26 20:20:43 probably easier and cheaper to send money instead Feb 26 20:20:53 possibly Feb 26 20:21:47 I got ~60EUR of "own" donations here which i might use for that Feb 26 20:22:01 how are we backing shit up? Feb 26 20:22:26 (I can't afford donating even more than I already do for other maemo related services) Feb 26 20:23:34 also if I did, some e*_ came bitching at me that I buy out maemo Feb 26 20:23:43 .o(how about asking jolla for donations?) :P Feb 26 20:24:05 oooh, new idea, very new idea Feb 26 20:24:26 seems HiFo is responsible for (spoiling) this Feb 26 20:24:31 i dont follow the discussions much Feb 26 20:25:21 http://hildonfoundation.org/open-letter-from-the-hildon-foundation-to-jolla Feb 26 20:25:47 http://hildonfoundation.org/open-letter-from-the-hildon-foundation-to-jolla/#comment-41 which is a bit cryptic unless you know the background Feb 26 20:26:46 why would jolla give us money Feb 26 20:26:48 we're direct competitors Feb 26 20:26:50 >>however friendship is also about doing activities together to keep things alive<< and >>And to be honest and straightforward with advice from one another.<< are key sequences Feb 26 20:27:13 haha excellent :)) Feb 26 20:27:53 I admit they don't make that much sense unless you know the whole context and story and background Feb 26 20:27:59 i dont see jolla as competitior .. if they found the hifo they buy into the community Feb 26 20:28:15 but i dont think jolla has that much money to give on itself Feb 26 20:28:31 meh, they have just enough Feb 26 20:28:40 for 50 maemos Feb 26 20:28:47 well the'll prolly need it Feb 26 20:28:54 in their coffee cash Feb 26 20:29:08 looks like the firefox os gains momentum .. yet another player Feb 26 20:29:38 but look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89280 and you get an idea what might have gone wrong Feb 26 20:29:57 with jolla Feb 26 20:33:07 on a general note you don't ask donors to sign a NDA about their own stuff, not even when they actually *had* such secret or closed blob stuff Feb 26 20:34:25 and when a friend asks you to correct sone nonsensical statements you did about him in public, you can either follow or lose a friend - simple as that Feb 26 20:34:32 some* Feb 26 20:42:23 ok, forget the fontconfig stuff for now. My n900 seems to have developed an 'insensitive spot' on the touchscreen. When (lightly/normal pressure) pressing in this spot the touch will register at the spot's edge (discovered with the paint app). Any idea what might cause this (and what to do about it)? Feb 26 20:42:50 it's about the size of a thumb-print Feb 26 20:43:18 does it look any different? Feb 26 20:43:42 no, looks like normal, no discoloration Feb 26 20:44:04 it's slightly to the right and up from the center of the screen Feb 26 20:44:52 suppose you divide the screen in cells, 4x4. Then from the top left it just about fills cell C2 Feb 26 20:50:59 lol Feb 26 20:52:05 * Macer facepaml Feb 26 20:52:18 facepalm too Feb 26 21:04:21 anyway, i used my reflash as an excuse to repartition the emmc Feb 26 21:04:42 then i got scared because i almost filled MyDocs with music Feb 26 21:04:59 but then i realized that i have so much music i don't care about Feb 26 21:09:24 luf: i have a working PAN again! Feb 26 21:10:37 kerio: great! What was the problem? Feb 26 21:10:45 i have no fucking clue Feb 26 21:11:01 kerio: :D :D Feb 26 21:11:08 but i rebooted, deleted the "Bluetooth PAN" network interface, readded it, set it up again, re-paired Feb 26 21:11:19 and now it works Feb 26 21:11:29 after like 20 packets pass through with a "no route to host" Feb 26 21:11:47 Strange. Feb 26 21:12:07 sorry, with a "Host is down" Feb 26 21:12:56 http://pastebin.ca/2317262 Feb 26 21:12:57 kerio: Maybe the bt connection needs some time. But it's strange that the problem was in bridge ... Feb 26 21:13:11 started the ping after clicking the "connect to network" on my laptop Feb 26 21:13:18 and then literally did nothing Feb 26 21:13:33 once it's open, it stays open Feb 26 21:13:56 (although really, 40ms and the laptop is almost touching the n900, wtf bluetooth) Feb 26 21:14:51 kerio: it's not high performance ... Feb 26 21:15:25 is that why all those fancy NFC things pretty much just set up a private wifi network and use that? Feb 26 21:16:00 I'm not sure. For sure wifi is more used/supported. Feb 26 21:16:16 no, i mean Feb 26 21:16:27 bluetooth 4 is basically a fancy way of setting up a wifi network Feb 26 21:17:46 Why BT4? I don't catch the idea. Feb 26 21:18:22 dafox: (spot) most likely and usually a m4ech defect of digitizer Feb 26 21:18:32 mech even Feb 26 21:19:59 so get a spare part and swap Feb 26 21:20:49 ok. i told pidgin configure it can shove it and use python 2.3... :D Feb 26 21:21:22 DocScrutinizer05: i discovered that i had a modified patterns file, i had made the touch feedback vibro a bit stronger Feb 26 21:21:28 i noticed it *immediately* Feb 26 21:21:44 at which point it becomes obsession? Feb 26 21:21:47 mce.ini? Feb 26 21:22:06 yes Feb 26 21:22:48 *shrug* I spent whole afternoons with just tuning tactile feedback of touchscreen clicks until i liked it Feb 26 21:23:23 i think i toyed with it for an afternoon Feb 26 21:23:26 that's why we got a N900, no? Feb 26 21:23:28 and then i forgot it Feb 26 21:23:49 indeed Feb 26 21:23:57 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at closed blob dialer Feb 26 21:24:14 with hatred Feb 26 21:25:30 can anybody tell how many unique users does rmo have? Feb 26 21:25:52 my original idea been "hah! it's open source, so I can FIX all those annoyances that made me hate my Nokia6210" Feb 26 21:26:18 and I didn't think desktop or apps or whatever, I thought DIALER and maybe calendar Feb 26 21:26:30 well fwiw you can use an alternative dialer Feb 26 21:26:40 the dbus interface of the dialer is well-understood Feb 26 21:27:35 sure, but I didn't know there are any actually working alternative dialers available Feb 26 21:28:13 and I wouldn't want to start with something even *worse* than 6210 had Feb 26 21:28:16 well, there's a pppoe dialer Feb 26 21:28:18 :P Feb 26 21:29:09 a simple example: on any other nokia, you press green button twice: redial last number Feb 26 21:29:33 on N900: *swear* click click *swear* Feb 26 21:29:43 the last called is on top of the list though Feb 26 21:30:11 * RST38h moos at the moon Feb 26 21:30:15 µ, RST38h Feb 26 21:30:19 yeah great, on top of a friggin list I have to call up again since it autoclosed, and whatnot else Feb 26 21:30:38 Looks like everyone is busy shitting all over Firefox OS Feb 26 21:30:48 auto re-dial is something I miss on my N900 from old S60 nokias. Feb 26 21:31:02 meh, even 6210 had it Feb 26 21:31:03 Is it really that bad or is it just "not iphone"? Feb 26 21:31:51 why are you guys writing numbers anyway Feb 26 21:32:09 " OS" for some reason doesn't appeal to me at all :p Feb 26 21:32:25 joga: it works with some things Feb 26 21:32:26 all I can think of are the bieber linuxen etc Feb 26 21:32:28 "emacs os" Feb 26 21:32:31 heh Feb 26 21:32:38 or glados Feb 26 21:32:45 because it's glad! Feb 26 21:32:46 Everybody loves shitting on things that compete with Android and iOS Feb 26 21:32:53 They've got some sort of a complex. Feb 26 21:33:08 GeneralAntilles: it's ok, we shit on things that aren't maemo fremantle Feb 26 21:33:12 Well, I do not see how Firefox UI is any worse than a dozen other heavy-weight "web uis" out there Feb 26 21:33:15 I haven't read a thing about firefox os Feb 26 21:33:26 actually I was kinda amused such a thing was for real Feb 26 21:33:44 kerio, inferiority complex? :D Feb 26 21:33:52 General: Android people are generally more tolerant Feb 26 21:34:56 some day we'll all feel silly for getting all worked up over some bits in a gadget Feb 26 21:35:10 hopefully :) Feb 26 21:35:15 you mean, we ain't? =) Feb 26 21:35:33 I want more mobile devices I enjoy using. Feb 26 21:35:46 General: You mean you want anextra N950? =) Feb 26 21:36:04 Harmattan could be it if it were actually, you know, maintained. Feb 26 21:36:10 But it's getting long in the tooth. Feb 26 21:36:12 Yeah Feb 26 21:36:14 >aegis Feb 26 21:36:20 Still pleasure to use though Feb 26 21:36:41 Android and iOS feel so incredibly dated and clunky in comparison. Feb 26 21:36:53 DocScrutinizer05: mech == ,mechanical failure? that kind of sucks :( Feb 26 21:36:57 Hope one of BB10/Ubuntu Phone/Jolla will be able to replicate the experience well. Feb 26 21:37:05 I dumpsterdived a big bunch of old nokias and started using one E70 as work phone Feb 26 21:37:43 Remember when Nokia had good phones. Those were the days. Feb 26 21:38:04 General: Not much hope for Ubuntu phone or BB10 Feb 26 21:38:12 it has the basic stuff you would expect from a s60 device phonewise but also the qwerty if you need it, and while it's not as good as n900 it makes using putty bearable Feb 26 21:38:18 joga; does the joystick still work? It's very unreliable on mone Feb 26 21:38:20 mine Feb 26 21:38:21 Jolla looks nice, based on whatever grainy videos they have published Feb 26 21:38:34 ShadowJK, well, it's not the best joystick out there but in this unit it does work Feb 26 21:38:37 * RST38h still has E70. No, joystick doesn't =( Feb 26 21:38:55 joga; yeah, though if it had more pixels so you could fit atleast 80x25 in putty Feb 26 21:38:56 there was also another one with a busted green phone key Feb 26 21:39:07 or, uh, the left whatever key, I forget Feb 26 21:39:29 anyway that was a dealbreaker but fortunately the other one worked :) Feb 26 21:39:38 ShadowJK:416x384 Feb 26 21:40:21 ShadowJK, with the miniscule font you can get a decent amount on screen, but would need some zoom goggles to read it on a bus Feb 26 21:40:54 osso-xterm on fullscreen does a 79x25 Feb 26 21:40:55 :s Feb 26 21:41:15 mine is 133x31 Feb 26 21:41:36 non-fs Feb 26 21:42:03 99x24 one step bigger than smallest Feb 26 21:42:16 I think with minimum font I get 58 rows Feb 26 21:42:28 it's still "kinda" readable Feb 26 21:42:29 :p Feb 26 21:42:41 133x31 is comfortably readable for me Feb 26 21:42:56 roughly same fontsize in xchat too :) Feb 26 23:14:15 hi guys, where can i download the vmware with the fremantle sdk? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php is down Feb 26 23:27:36 ~skeiron Feb 26 23:27:36 methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Feb 26 23:27:36 DocScrutinizer05: anything new re contracts and such? Feb 26 23:28:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325483&postcount=17 Feb 26 23:29:36 DocScrutinizer05: well, I asked something else ;), but anyway, thanks :) Feb 26 23:30:04 I suppose there is development :) Feb 26 23:31:12 freemangordon: which contract then? Feb 26 23:31:32 I only know of one contract Feb 26 23:31:46 please be more specific Feb 26 23:33:14 thanks Feb 27 00:34:29 initial sync to new server infra completed Feb 27 00:35:40 of course all bugs got copied as well Feb 27 00:36:31 apropos bugs: bmo still not working, db connectivity issue Feb 27 00:39:35 *new* rmo online Feb 27 00:39:51 I do *not* suggest to use it productively yet Feb 27 01:25:28 so today is birthday of our new infra Feb 27 01:26:34 let's hope we soon can christen it (DNS) Feb 27 01:43:23 http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1325297 Feb 27 01:43:41 * DocScrutinizer05 lights a fat cigar Feb 27 01:44:11 :D Feb 27 02:30:09 DocScrutinizer05, what's the HiFo status? Feb 27 02:32:52 *you* ask *me* what's the HiFo status? LOL Feb 27 02:32:59 in which regard? Feb 27 02:33:11 my personal mental HiFo damage status? Feb 27 02:33:15 ;-P Feb 27 02:34:18 it seems uvan has stepped back irreversibly and undeniably today Feb 27 02:34:22 ivan Feb 27 02:34:40 I'm not on the CC for the various infra discussions. :P Feb 27 02:34:55 ooh infra discussion. HAH Feb 27 02:34:58 Is the IPHH situation still "unofficial" Feb 27 02:35:06 well, err Feb 27 02:35:20 it never been inofficial in my book Feb 27 02:36:25 HiFo officially agreed to ship the server there so we can go on installing it. then Rob came with his demand for a HOSTING(!!!) contract Feb 27 02:36:47 So no additional movement has taken place since the last update I saw? Feb 27 02:37:16