**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 05 02:59:58 2013 Mar 05 06:55:05 Is there an emulator for the maemo browser? MicroB or whatever it's called. Mar 05 06:56:32 hmm? emulator? Mar 05 06:57:01 who's emulating what? Mar 05 07:22:44 Something like Opera has, but I can't link it now due to weird outage of opera.com Mar 05 07:23:43 http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-mobile-emulator/ that Mar 05 08:03:35 Hi guys, anyone knows how to merge folders in mail application ? Mar 05 08:05:19 I have Sent folder that is initial for mail system, but my actual folder looks like custom Mar 05 08:05:28 i'm using IMAP proto to access mail Mar 05 08:05:43 You know, there're custom folder you can subscribe to Mar 05 08:06:26 So, my actual mails are stored inside sucha a folder, against to be stored in default Sent Mar 05 08:06:41 How can i change settings for ? Mar 05 08:19:42 hello guys, u want to ask you is there some facebook program that i can use and get notifications by some kind of light or sound? im asking because i do it myself, it's not automatical... Mar 05 08:19:55 I want to ask * Mar 05 08:29:56 Can't connect to CSSU currently Mar 05 08:30:21 Headset it has been updated, and Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org Mar 05 08:44:07 Also, is it possible to change I/O sheduller to noop in kernel ? Mar 05 09:19:53 DocScrutinizer05: http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ UAPSD (WMM power save) no yes yes Mar 05 09:20:06 Who told me that it is not effeicient ? Mar 05 09:47:32 <_shadowx> XATRIX, echo noop > /sys/block/$device/queue/scheduler Mar 05 09:47:47 <_shadowx> not sure if noop part of the default kernel, but KP has it. Mar 05 09:48:54 <_shadowx> p.s. $device should be mmcblk0 (or mmcblk1 the memory card) Mar 05 09:49:48 yep Mar 05 09:49:59 How can i script it , to be applied every reboot ? Mar 05 09:53:29 <_shadowx> Depends at witch stage of the boot you want to switch to it... but i guess adding the line to /etc/init.d/rcS should work,if i remember correctly , there are few other kernel setting set by rcS Mar 05 09:55:21 <_shadowx> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=974307 check out this thread. short description of how to make ur own scripts that run at startup. Mar 05 10:07:31 !seen Pali Mar 05 10:07:38 ~seen pali Mar 05 10:07:40 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 22m 25s ago, saying: 'I'm going sleep too, bye :-)'. Mar 05 10:07:55 crap :( Mar 05 10:21:01 Anyone use protocol plugins for the Conversation ? Mar 05 10:21:12 Actually, skype proto Mar 05 10:23:19 ~mirror Mar 05 10:23:20 i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error Mar 05 10:27:35 No, my question is: There're modes "Available DND Offline" Mar 05 10:27:49 In available mode i have screen notification & sound Mar 05 10:27:58 I have the same crap while in DND Mar 05 10:28:02 ??!?! Mar 05 10:35:04 How can i fix it ? I need it only record the messages to the chat window Mar 05 10:35:18 Without screen pop-up notification & sound in DND mode Mar 05 10:36:13 Also, i found Mozilla firefox browser in Ovi store Mar 05 10:36:29 And it looks like it installs Fennec while Mar 05 10:36:37 Is it capable flash/HTML5 ? Mar 05 11:01:13 had my n900 for a couple of months now... Mar 05 11:01:52 just discovered the marbles game Mar 05 11:02:07 impossible! :p Mar 05 11:03:29 kerio: ping Mar 05 11:03:58 you still have your uboot+rescurOS bins? Mar 05 11:04:07 pong Mar 05 11:04:10 my what Mar 05 11:04:10 ? Mar 05 11:04:24 rescueOS Mar 05 11:04:37 I just got my n900 fixed Mar 05 11:04:53 screen replaced Mar 05 11:05:05 you don't need uboot to launch rescueos Mar 05 11:05:07 ~rescueos Mar 05 11:05:08 rumour has it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Mar 05 11:05:17 I was planning to add rescueOS to the uboot menu Mar 05 11:05:19 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2196041 Mar 05 11:06:29 thanks Mar 05 11:06:35 and backup menu? Mar 05 11:06:55 ~backupmenu Mar 05 11:06:55 well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Mar 05 11:07:30 awesome, will do that too Mar 05 11:20:56 kerio: http://fpaste.org/IAFM/ Mar 05 11:21:06 Any ideas why it doesn't go to C4 powersaving ? Mar 05 11:21:26 I did no overclock, voltmod, or anything that can harm Mar 05 11:21:32 since reflashed Mar 05 11:24:40 are the repositorys down again? Mar 05 11:29:28 Seems like Mar 05 11:30:52 XATRIX: skyhost Mar 05 11:31:04 kerio: ? Mar 05 11:31:28 skype Mar 05 11:31:40 What's with it ? Mar 05 11:31:54 it does shit Mar 05 11:31:55 all the time Mar 05 11:32:34 What kind of ? Mar 05 11:32:41 touching the CPU ? Mar 05 11:36:07 ~microb Mar 05 11:36:08 i heard microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ - http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml Mar 05 11:36:20 ~microb download Mar 05 11:36:43 ~microb repo Mar 05 12:02:21 100 kΩ 1250mAh (Original BL-5J battery) 90 kΩ 1000mAh 80 kΩ 862mA 78 kΩ 740mAh Mar 05 12:02:33 What if i have 1700 cell ? Mar 05 13:29:06 DocScrutinizer05: ? Mar 05 15:19:32 hold on, so now the one appointed board member appointed two more members? Mar 05 15:24:55 kerio: yup. However, its a double-edged sword; if elections are called Nokia may just stop all discussions and nothing is transferred properly. OTOH it seems the other 2 people especially woody are sane people with much more technical know-how than Rob so woody especially can co-op with Council on sane things to move forward quickly... Mar 05 15:25:56 DocScrutinizer05: are you there ? Mar 05 15:26:27 http://fpaste.org/aOJY/ -that is without skype Mar 05 15:26:41 Sounds if my CPU was completely HALTed Mar 05 15:55:15 as I cannot reach repository.maemo.org despite it being up again supposedly... what IP should it be resolving to? Mar 05 15:57:40 divVerent: 188.117.59.205 Mar 05 15:58:24 hm... it does seem to have some problems then Mar 05 15:59:32 oh yes there is an issue with one of the blades. the sysadmins are on it since a few hours already. Mar 05 15:59:37 oh, ok Mar 05 16:00:23 in the meantime... I did the mistake of switching to skeiron's repo mirrors for now, knowing they are somewhat outdated... but now apt-get dist-upgrade fails with weird errors (weird, as I cannot figure out manually what is wrong) Mar 05 16:00:30 http://paste.debian.net/239942/ Mar 05 16:01:09 of upstart it only can mean one version, which depends on a busybox I have... so it doesn't make sense to fail Mar 05 16:01:33 so, anyone know how to tell apt to show more detail on why it fails? Mar 05 16:02:24 skeiron's mirrors are not outdated as repos haven't been updated in quite a few months. dist-upgrade has always been discouraged so why do it? Mar 05 16:03:04 because upgrade shows 999 packages as "kept back" Mar 05 16:03:49 i've no idea what you may have messed up; are on a cssu version? maybe you have added the wrong mirror? Mar 05 16:04:05 no CSSU yet, that's what Iw anted to do soon... Mar 05 16:04:15 did you add any community repos? Mar 05 16:04:33 I however did add the extras-devel repo to install openmediaplayer, but used apt-pinning to pin down the extras-devel to priority 1 Mar 05 16:04:53 so I am now undoing that part and see if the kept back ones go away Mar 05 16:04:57 no, still are there Mar 05 16:05:17 no idea on what's gone wrong. Maybe ask kerio :) Mar 05 16:05:41 dist-upgrade has never been supposed to work Mar 05 16:05:48 ah, I think I figured it out... I did add the community repo, but did not get any updates from it yet Mar 05 16:05:58 community repo is CSSU-Stable Mar 05 16:05:58 divVerent: halt Mar 05 16:06:09 you're not supposed to blindly upgrade from the cssu repo Mar 05 16:06:15 but how else? Mar 05 16:06:18 install community-ssu-enabler, run it Mar 05 16:06:26 it'll uninstall the nokia metapackage and install the cssu one Mar 05 16:06:30 THAT is the info I was missing Mar 05 16:06:36 yes, it is the nokia metapackage keeping things back Mar 05 16:07:03 but now that I removed the community package, it's only 4 kept back ones, which includes a libcurl update Mar 05 16:07:32 where to get community-ssu-enabler? it's not in the "community" repo Mar 05 16:07:40 or is it so new it's not on skeiron yet? Mar 05 16:08:13 if that's the case, I'll just wait Mar 05 16:08:51 http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/c/community-ssu-enabler/community-ssu-enabler_0.6-7_all.deb Mar 05 16:09:33 odd that I didn't find it then... I'll see what I did wrong then Mar 05 16:09:57 ah, my bad, didn't run apt-get update :P Mar 05 16:10:35 (I did the changes to skeiron's repos manually via vi of the file managed by HAM, so I can easily restore the real URLs by just entering the HAM settings and closing them again) Mar 05 16:36:27 great, looks like it all works. Although the only visible CSSU change for me (using stable) is that I can finally have a FMTX button in the status dropdown Mar 05 16:39:06 (which by itself is already worth it, for my use) Mar 05 16:40:25 yes, cssu-stable is kinda supposed to be indistinguishable from maemo stock, unless you configure it Mar 05 16:40:32 also, install the rotation lock applet Mar 05 16:41:04 this situation of linux userspace is even worse Mar 05 16:41:12 lennart's systemd, Mar 05 16:41:16 non working udev Mar 05 16:41:45 indeed, upstart is much better! Mar 05 16:41:48 and now also stupid ******* display server by canonical Mar 05 16:41:48 * kerio flees Mar 05 16:43:08 very good, ubuntu - majority distribution - start using something incompatible with X Server... Mar 05 16:43:19 and all developers start using that shit Mar 05 16:43:44 and then linux desktop goes to the hell Mar 05 16:43:48 kerio: I did install the rotation lock Mar 05 16:43:51 thanks cannonical Mar 05 16:43:58 thanks lennart Mar 05 16:44:01 Pali: i don't see anyone else using unity, fwiw Mar 05 16:44:03 although not much supports rotation anyway Mar 05 16:44:08 (similarily bad situation as with iOS...) Mar 05 16:44:24 kerio, unity can be replaced by another DE Mar 05 16:44:38 i mean other distros Mar 05 16:44:47 without breaking other apps Mar 05 16:44:51 kerio: you will, once that "peace" of crap is out Mar 05 16:44:52 wayland is by canonical now? Mar 05 16:44:56 or do you mean ANOTHER new display server? Mar 05 16:45:00 but replacing X Server will break *all* X apps Mar 05 16:45:02 :nod: Mar 05 16:45:05 divVerent: Mir Mar 05 16:45:09 if it's wayland, it will NOT break X apps Mar 05 16:45:10 divVerent, no anther server Mar 05 16:45:17 MIR Mar 05 16:46:03 canonical can announce whatever it wants Mar 05 16:46:44 Red Hat and also Canonical trying to kill linux Mar 05 16:46:57 I mean, X11 IS crap... but now Wayland AND MIR... why can't they join forces instead Mar 05 16:47:09 X11 is good Mar 05 16:47:09 that way, we will get TWO crappy new display servers, and will thus stick with old X11 Mar 05 16:47:11 is working Mar 05 16:47:13 not REALLY... Mar 05 16:47:14 it works, yes Mar 05 16:47:16 but design IS bad Mar 05 16:47:18 divVerent: X11 is NOT crap Mar 05 16:47:20 and there are working apps Mar 05 16:47:23 I actually am surprised how fluent Maemo works :P Mar 05 16:47:33 given that Android on similar hardware fails Mar 05 16:47:41 wayland - not working correctly, no apps Mar 05 16:47:48 divVerent: thanks to dalvic ;) Mar 05 16:47:51 and only research project Mar 05 16:47:55 wayland does the big mistake of making window managers very complex to impossible Mar 05 16:48:16 (but still better than OS X, which even does window decorations from a library loaded by programs... making it ENTIRELY impossible to change them) Mar 05 16:48:48 divVerent: otherwise how will the next itunes mimick the future version of os x? Mar 05 16:48:53 freemangordon: main gripe with ANdroid is that even the pointless animations lag all the time Mar 05 16:49:10 Pali: I think it is time to start coding for Windows :D:D:D Mar 05 16:49:20 and X11 is quite badly designed... to get anything done, people invent X11 extensions to go around X11's normal channels Mar 05 16:49:24 XShm being one of the first Mar 05 16:49:40 so it DOES make sense to rethink whether we still need the core X11 mechanisms at all Mar 05 16:50:06 however, this also could be done as an "evolutionary" step, i.e. taking X11 and just removing most useless core features (X11 bitmap fonts being one of the nasty ones) Mar 05 16:50:17 Pali: as how the things are developing, in a couple of years that experience will be of use ;) Mar 05 16:50:31 and basically doing virtually everything with extensions, and only keeping core features as fallbacks (e.g. XShmPutImage needs an XPutImage fallback for network connections) Mar 05 16:50:58 therefore, I wonder why everyone wants to start from scratch, and not work on an "X12" Mar 05 16:51:20 divVerent: because NIH Mar 05 16:51:48 especially the "all you ever need is OpenGL anyway" sounds right... but is not, once you need more than one window in your program :P Mar 05 16:52:15 yes... but thanks to Ubuntu, Wayland has no future, and thanks to Wayland, MIR has none :P Mar 05 16:52:48 Wayland actually tries SOME X11 compatibility, as in, you can run a Wayland display on X11, and X11 software on Wayland by use of either a protocol translator or a library Mar 05 16:53:03 (or is it a library only, and the protocol translator is Xnest?) Mar 05 16:53:25 "One wonders whether it's really a good idea to name it after a space station that the Russians abandoned and allowed to burn up once they decided that going it alone on something as complex and expensive as a space station wasn't really practical." Mar 05 16:53:32 divVerent: I guess they think QML will do the job for app compatibility Mar 05 16:53:36 in a way, X11's network transparency was actually a bad idea - in retrospect Mar 05 16:53:51 if it weren't for X11 forwarding, Oracle would NEVER have made graphical installers for database Mar 05 16:53:54 which is bullshit (QML thingie) Mar 05 16:54:02 which means, you NEED to have X11 stuff installed on a database server JUST so that the installer can run Mar 05 16:54:09 divVerent: hahahaha what Mar 05 16:54:13 yes, really Mar 05 16:54:18 you can use a response file Mar 05 16:54:19 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Mar 05 16:54:22 but no interactive console install Mar 05 16:54:26 also, even if you do use a response file Mar 05 16:54:32 it still requires X11 libs and a working $DISPLAY Mar 05 16:54:38 despite only using it for testing whether it works Mar 05 16:54:40 why would you want an installer Mar 05 16:54:45 because Oracle Mar 05 16:54:52 actually, the Oracle installer DOES some useful things Mar 05 16:55:01 kerio: ever installed oracle? Mar 05 16:55:04 but a script to be run after installation would work too Mar 05 16:55:09 freemangordon: nope Mar 05 16:55:23 it's not in the repos Mar 05 16:55:25 hehe Mar 05 16:55:41 in theory all the Oracle installer does COULD also be done by a script installed by a package manager... "apt-get install oracle-database" would not yield a working DB yet Mar 05 16:55:49 and it IS too many questions to solve this by debconf questions :P Mar 05 16:55:58 even may involve formatting partitions for use by ASM Mar 05 16:55:59 divVerent: apt-get install nginx doesn't yield a working web server Mar 05 16:56:08 kerio: that is nginx's fault ;) Mar 05 16:56:10 for Apache this works Mar 05 16:56:20 it works so well even, it tells you that "It works"! Mar 05 16:56:27 divVerent: apt-get install apache doesn't create my website Mar 05 16:56:33 no, just a web server Mar 05 16:56:40 and really, would you ever use apache's default config? :) Mar 05 16:56:42 which is what you asked for :P Mar 05 16:56:49 nginx gives you a default page i thin Mar 05 16:56:50 k Mar 05 16:56:54 oh, then it does work Mar 05 16:56:57 and no fault at nginx :P Mar 05 16:57:08 the package manager's job is done once port 80 is listening and shows SOMETHING :P Mar 05 16:57:20 hm oracle Mar 05 16:57:34 (or actually, I am split whether the package manager should actually ENABLE services...) Mar 05 16:57:45 * merlin1991 still wants to know why running exp for utf8 is so weirdly obscure Mar 05 16:58:20 or why the help argument isn't --help /? -? -h but HELP=Y Mar 05 16:58:28 ah, THIS exp ;) Mar 05 16:58:34 yes... HELP=Y is insane Mar 05 16:58:52 also, did one really HAVE to invent tnsnames.ora? Mar 05 16:59:01 listener.ora I can understand Mar 05 16:59:14 for utf8 export you need to set the NLS_LANG env properly, no commandline option for exp afaik Mar 05 16:59:17 but most of what tnsnames.ora does can be handles better e.g. via SRV records Mar 05 16:59:51 still, that's probably one of the smallest issues with Oracle :P Mar 05 16:59:57 I mean, it doesn't even really support NULL Mar 05 17:00:11 every time I touch oracle it drives me partly insane Mar 05 17:00:14 (or it doesn't support the empty string, whichever way you prefer seeing it) Mar 05 17:00:27 in Oracle, empty string '' and NULL are the same thing... annoying Mar 05 17:00:39 you don't WANT to know all sorts of workarounds for this we have here at work Mar 05 17:00:49 postgres ftw Mar 05 17:00:55 e.g. when an empty field was confirmed by the user and thus should stay empty, putting a single space into the database Mar 05 17:00:58 or stuff similar to that Mar 05 17:01:12 divVerent: how do i distinguish between empty field and single space in the field? Mar 05 17:01:12 also WHY doesn't it suport LIMIT / TOP / something else euqally useable in its sql dialect Mar 05 17:01:28 SQL language wise, I highly prefer MySQL... it seems the most sane there. But it loses in other areas vs Postgres... Mar 05 17:01:33 can't even do real partitions... Mar 05 17:01:47 DROP TABLE dual Mar 05 17:01:50 now your oracle is fixed ;) Mar 05 17:01:59 or, rather... REALLY broken Mar 05 17:02:47 what also annoys me with MySQL is that so many features depend on database type it's not funny any more... situations like Mar 05 17:02:48 I side with kerio Mar 05 17:02:51 postgres ftw :D Mar 05 17:03:01 "Feature A only works in InnoDB, Feature B only is indexed properly in MyISAM and is slow in InnoDB" Mar 05 17:03:14 divVerent: also mysql is oracle now ;) Mar 05 17:03:17 yes... MySQL is best SQL-language feature wise, but... Mar 05 17:03:24 Postgres is the one I'd rather entrust my data to Mar 05 17:03:27 and also behaves most consistent Mar 05 17:03:52 though the default config on debianfor postgres is funky Mar 05 17:03:55 merlin1991: one can always use MariaDB instead, which means virtually zero development, but at least keeping a working state :P Mar 05 17:04:12 also, why is it so hard for ALL these DBs to authenticate by unix users? Mar 05 17:04:18 prints whole sql statements to log on every error/warning/whatever Mar 05 17:04:20 why do we NEED database passwords, when we access it only locally anyway Mar 05 17:04:21 divVerent: eeeeew Mar 05 17:04:28 divVerent: postgres does it ;) Mar 05 17:04:30 unix sockets exist. Server can query user ID of client. Mar 05 17:04:36 ah yes Mar 05 17:04:59 and yes, I quite like CGI/suexec for hosting different sites... each site/software on a separate user ID is quite a good thing Mar 05 17:05:28 so if one site is hacked, it doesn't automatically get access to data of all the others Mar 05 17:05:52 like PHP, exploit web server with PHP, now recursively search for config.inc files... voila, LOTS of database accounts... Mar 05 17:05:52 >i quite like cgi Mar 05 17:05:55 what the hell Mar 05 17:05:59 CGI's main issue is TEH SLOW Mar 05 17:06:04 due to recreating the process all the time Mar 05 17:06:10 FastCGI solves that, and still can be su'd :P Mar 05 17:06:33 nginx reverse proxying to a twisted.web.server Mar 05 17:06:47 using twisted in production? THAT is... funny Mar 05 17:07:23 hm... apparently it IS production grade now, so why not Mar 05 17:07:35 hm ngnic proxy for gunicorn Mar 05 17:07:40 way more fun ;) Mar 05 17:07:53 ooh, plenty of CVEs for xen Mar 05 17:08:05 oh no Mar 05 17:08:09 that means SPAM Mar 05 17:08:14 once I get the Red Hat messages... Mar 05 17:08:26 we use RHEL at work and I have a RH account... so let's see when I will get the spam :P Mar 05 17:08:47 divVerent: here's the debian alert: https://lwn.net/Articles/541051/ Mar 05 17:09:19 well, we don't use RHEL Mar 05 17:09:26 centos? Mar 05 17:09:29 I mean Mar 05 17:09:31 don't use Xen Mar 05 17:09:33 we use RHEL Mar 05 17:09:38 well, we ALMOST don't use Xen Mar 05 17:09:55 a certain supplier accidentally installed Xen on the production servers they made Mar 05 17:10:01 as in, used the Xen kernel Mar 05 17:10:24 let me guess the server got sanctioned "done" and kernel shall not be changed anymore Mar 05 17:10:41 it is in production Mar 05 17:10:52 and they compiled a custom kernel module for the kernel Mar 05 17:10:56 so it's kinda hard to fix it NOW :( Mar 05 17:11:25 there's currently an email fight to get them to supply kernel module sources or a module compiled for the standard kernel Mar 05 17:11:43 heh, image, rebuild locally, test, scp, reboot to complete system failure Mar 05 17:12:28 dafuq? kernel module wihout sources? Mar 05 17:12:48 merlin1991: yep, why? Mar 05 17:13:52 don't you need to move your funky closed code somewehre else and make a gpl "proxy" to stay compliant with the kernel gpl? Mar 05 17:44:43 merlin1991: AFAIK you can just taint the kernel Mar 05 17:46:51 as for module without source: in a work contract that is legall Mar 05 17:47:32 merlin1991: check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadable_kernel_module, "License issues" Mar 05 19:55:43 DocScrutinizer05: hey, are you there ? Mar 05 19:56:55 no, sorry. Busy. So if it's more than a short answer to a short question, better try later to pick me up Mar 05 19:57:28 Yep, ok Mar 05 20:58:17 jacekowski: ping Mar 05 21:08:56 freemangordon: pong Mar 05 21:11:47 jacekowski: I wanted to ask what should I add to sources.list in order to use your repo, but already figured it out. :) Mar 05 21:59:19 hello Mar 05 22:27:27 [notice] seems repository is down. We (maemo tech staff) can't access the machine serving it. We contacted Nemein support to fix the issue Mar 05 22:28:58 it's been down for ~18 hours I assumed it was known? Mar 05 22:29:16 DocScrutinizer05, it is even worse with linux desktop: lennart (red hat) killed udev and canonical trying to kill X server and wayland Mar 05 22:29:52 canonical creating poettering like display server Mar 05 22:30:05 lennart has been busy indeed Mar 05 22:30:14 sixwheeledbeast: nah, we don't monitor "old" infra that closely anymore, since tech staff is more than busy fixing shit on *new* infra Mar 05 22:30:29 with android's compatibility for binary blobs Mar 05 22:30:43 way to the hell Mar 05 22:33:31 Pali: :-(( Mar 05 22:34:37 and even worse canonical doing on their display server (replacement for X) for more months behind closed doors Mar 05 22:34:41 DocScrutinizer05: thought I'd mention the IP for r.m.o isn't the same as on the wiki page. Mar 05 22:35:32 r.m.o = .205 but on wiki is .203 Mar 05 22:35:50 sixwheeledbeast: we can't access DNS yet, so we could not migrate services to new infrastructure yet. Which was good, because we got hit by a strage Xen/Kernel bug today.. Mar 05 22:35:52 while for around a decade and more it's been the topmost goal to make linux compatible with other unixes, it's now a fsckng "we're linux, what do we care about anybody else (except microsoft and windows), we define our own standards" Mar 05 22:38:28 sixwheeledbeast: thanks, that wiki info is outdated, since we / Nemein reassigne r.m.o to stage Mar 05 22:39:19 stage is .205 Mar 05 22:39:21 DocScrutinizer05: warfare: kk thanks Mar 05 22:39:26 I believe one reason too is the "new" blood in developers, lot of them coming from Windows to *buntu having no ideological, ethical, historical or whatsoever relation to anything unix-like. Then there are corporations who do what they want. Mar 05 22:40:01 sixwheeledbeast: thanks for mentioning it Mar 05 22:45:27 sixwheeledbeast: fixed Mar 05 22:46:35 got my $30 prepaid sim heh Mar 05 22:46:38 nice Mar 05 22:46:42 ta Mar 05 22:47:09 i still cant receive txts yet :( Mar 05 22:48:18 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders *when* that dns change been done by Nokia Mar 05 22:49:04 Macer: why Mar 05 22:49:20 seems you can find mirrors/archives/logs for virtually everything in the interweb, just not for DNS Mar 05 22:50:22 sixwheeledbeast: they said it was from just activating it Mar 05 22:50:31 and i have to wait a couple of hours Mar 05 22:50:58 i guess since i xfered the number from att? who knows Mar 05 22:51:03 makes no sense to me Mar 05 22:51:40 normally send an outgoing text and the sim is active (in UK) Mar 05 23:08:05 gn all Mar 06 01:30:22 ~mirrors Mar 06 01:30:22 extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error Mar 06 01:30:27 ~botsnack Mar 06 01:30:28 :), DocScrutinizer51 Mar 06 01:30:52 wtf. Mar 06 01:31:22 but yeah Mar 06 01:31:47 mirrors are still working while rmo is down Mar 06 01:32:42 That sucks Mar 06 01:51:59 W*T*F is wrong with my xchat??? it doesn't re-register when internet connectivity is "roaming" Mar 06 01:52:37 seems that's now shit since update of my bouncer to ZNC1.x Mar 06 01:52:43 new* Mar 06 01:53:09 that's terribly useless Mar 06 01:54:18 leaving home (and wifi range), everything happily switches to GPRS/UMTS just IRC stays offline until I force 'reconnect' Mar 06 01:54:47 coming home - all the same just inverse direction Mar 06 01:55:09 wtf is wrong with this shit? Mar 06 01:57:55 the whole fremantle xchat seems fux0red, can't highlight words/lines anymore, despite push&drag to highlight stuff now the context menu pops up after 0.5s Mar 06 01:58:29 I hope I don't have to blame CSSU for that Mar 06 01:59:00 but, no matter whom to blame, that's utterly useless and fsckdup Mar 06 01:59:40 incredible Mar 06 02:00:52 and I'm absolutely sure I didn't update xchat since years, and also it changed during last 4 months Mar 06 02:01:27 probably last 4 weeks Mar 06 02:21:16 wow, at least it re-registered when I left my flat the 2nd time Mar 06 02:21:38 picked up on what I wrote when at home Mar 06 02:22:02 sth fux0red with that thing Mar 06 02:25:52 well Mar 06 02:25:57 this tmobile thing finally kicked in :) Mar 06 02:26:01 prepaid4lyfe!! Mar 06 02:26:17 never again ... will i ever have an actual plan Mar 06 02:26:31 it makes no sense how they sell the prepaid so cheaply Mar 06 02:26:35 and the plans are so expensive Mar 06 02:26:47 or why they don't have cheaper plans that have the types of balances the prepaid stuff has Mar 06 02:26:57 like the $30 100min/5GB/UNLtxt Mar 06 02:27:02 $34 after taxes Mar 06 02:50:03 last "plan" I had was in 1990some Mar 06 02:51:25 is there a telepathy for symbian? :) Mar 06 02:51:37 the symbian default txting app sucks :( Mar 06 02:51:39 i miss telepathy Mar 06 02:52:11 it does some awkward screen refresh thing that is driving me nuts and won't send on enter Mar 06 02:52:16 unles i'm using the kb Mar 06 02:52:20 30EUR buys me 50EUR worth of "minutes". 10EUR/months for 1GB of traffic (which I never exceed), the rest for outbound minutes (.29/min) and SMS(.29/sms) Mar 06 02:52:20 the swype keyboard won't do it Mar 06 02:52:36 yeah after this i'm NEVER getting a plan Mar 06 02:52:40 i'll just prepay hunt lol Mar 06 02:52:50 so long as tmobile keeps the plan the way it is then i'm golden Mar 06 02:53:06 but i'm sure after more masses get hip to just paying the extra $100 for a phone that will be worth $50 in a year... Mar 06 02:53:15 instead of renting it Mar 06 02:53:31 Macer: you're aware you're on #maemo here? Mar 06 02:53:40 oh Mar 06 02:53:43 damnit :-/ Mar 06 02:53:45 * Macer hides Mar 06 02:54:26 well.. telepathy is maemo/meego ish Mar 06 02:54:32 maybe you guys would know :) Mar 06 02:55:35 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what to report on tmo migration thread to entertain the masses Mar 06 02:56:22 maybe that we managed to track down a bug in XEN despite HiFo madness distracting us from our primary taks? Mar 06 02:56:40 task even Mar 06 02:56:44 heh Mar 06 02:57:02 just post that you will no longer be requiring the aid of the hifo and will run it all as an independent dictatorship :) Mar 06 02:57:05 that should get them stirring Mar 06 02:57:15 http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-03/msg00404.html Mar 06 02:59:02 kudos to jacekowski **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 06 02:59:58 2013