**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 10 02:59:58 2013 Mar 10 03:19:52 DocScrutinizer05, Mar 10 03:20:08 N900_USB_Networking was linked from USB_Networking Mar 10 03:20:10 :P Mar 10 03:20:30 ~usbnetworking Mar 10 03:20:31 rumour has it, usbnetworking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Mar 10 03:21:04 first thing after table of content in USB_Networking Mar 10 03:21:14 USB networking for N900 Mar 10 03:21:36 Please visit N900 USB networking. Mar 10 03:21:49 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Mar 10 03:21:51 :P Mar 10 03:22:58 DocScrutinizer05, while we are at it Mar 10 03:23:35 what was that command to tell someone something when he log in to channel, and how to do it the way it will tell him only on one channel, not everywhere, where that person joins, and infobot is present? Mar 10 03:23:46 I mean some sentence, no about factoid like in ~tell Mar 10 03:24:57 there is no such command Mar 10 03:25:58 So okay Mar 10 03:26:02 there been but it got locked for normal users since they were too dull to use it Mar 10 03:26:08 I will make smth with syslog Mar 10 03:26:24 next time, when I get an internet connection somehow Mar 10 03:29:44 iweron: see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Mar 10 03:30:40 thx Mar 10 03:31:28 DocScrutinizer05, statistics for packages doesnt work Mar 10 03:31:32 it is known thing? Mar 10 03:32:14 why the hell device reboots after ~30 seconds, if one modprobe -r both bq27x00_battery and rx51_battery? spank Pali Mar 10 03:32:43 looks like watchdog, but why only, if both things reporting voltage to hald-addon-bme are disabled... Mar 10 03:32:54 and why the hell does it reboot at all? *confused* Mar 10 03:33:12 kerio, are you here? Mar 10 03:33:42 why your fork of applet show 0/0 when battery is not calibrated, instead of just splitting whatever bq27 chip says, even if it's wrong? Mar 10 03:33:54 bug, or done in purpose? Mar 10 03:42:12 Estel_: not really known yet Mar 10 03:43:04 if you like you should feel encouraged to send another ticket mail to nemein support. Last one been absolutely nice Mar 10 03:43:34 CC techstaff@m.o Mar 10 03:47:13 Estel_: because hald-addon-bme doesn't present that data Mar 10 03:48:13 lol, bme is such a random generator: battery.reporting.last_full = 612 (0x264) (int) Mar 10 03:48:54 bq27k-detail: Mar 10 03:48:56 0x13 - 0x12: 6958 LMD Last Measured Discharge High - Low Byte 3.57 µVh (1) R Mar 10 03:48:57 *3.57 / 20 = 1245 mAh Mar 10 03:52:22 actually even: Mar 10 03:52:25 battery.charge_level.current = 5 (0x5) (int) Mar 10 03:52:26 battery.charge_level.design = 8 (0x8) (int) Mar 10 03:52:50 whike statusbar applet clearly shows (correct) battery full state Mar 10 03:52:58 while* Mar 10 03:53:10 since device is on charger Mar 10 03:53:57 0x0B: 100 RSOC Relative State-of-Charge % R Mar 10 04:33:14 DocScrutinizer05, lol @ bme Mar 10 04:34:42 btw, I'll gladly send another ticket, but is it just to propagate episolography, or have chance of actually having any impact? Mar 10 04:34:57 it seems like support@nemein.com got bind to /dev/null Mar 10 04:35:14 kerio, damn hald-addon-bme Mar 10 04:35:31 DocScrutinizer05, kerio, now something really BIG as a WTF thing Mar 10 04:35:34 *fanfares* Mar 10 04:35:53 My 2nd N900 is charging @ 700 mA from my 1st n900 (via hostmode) Mar 10 04:36:02 WHAT THE FUCK?! I ask... Mar 10 04:36:29 I don't think that's possible... Mar 10 04:36:52 2nd N900 is in backupmenu which charges via kernel-power module (modified it) Mar 10 04:37:14 so it think it is connected tp wall charger and try to suck as much power as possible Mar 10 04:37:26 now, first N900 was discharging at 1200 mA Mar 10 04:37:50 after connecting charger via y-cable, power draw drop to only 500 mA Mar 10 04:38:04 after enabling charging, it is ~0 Mar 10 04:38:21 I was so sellshocked, that I actually went for claw multimeter at this hour Mar 10 04:38:55 it indicated 700 mA flowing through cable between N900's without charger connected, which is in line with what first N900 reported Mar 10 04:39:11 now, how it compares to 200 mA hardware limitation? Mar 10 04:39:37 btw, everything is working fine on both N900's, copying data from partition on 1st one to 2nd one Mar 10 04:39:48 even using xchat for write it now on 1st one Mar 10 04:40:36 (checked that data transfer wasn't terminated, so usb connection seems to be happy despite device sending 700 mA power via usb) Mar 10 04:40:52 robbiethe1st, thats why I'm surprised ;) Mar 10 04:41:33 could Pali accidentally go-around limitation that was meant to be hardware one? is it the same for every N900 with kp52 and usbmode? Mar 10 04:41:55 or my device miracolously overcome that limitation and went into another level of being one with the force? Mar 10 04:41:57 ;) Mar 10 04:43:03 will try same trick in reversed order, with 2nd device giving power, tomorrow, when transfer is complete Mar 10 04:43:21 still, it was like big WTF Mar 10 05:03:20 bq24150 is supposed to throw error at overcurrent which is 200mA iirc. It *might* continue to deliver power directly from battery without boosting up to 5V nevertheless Mar 10 05:13:10 Cycle by cycle current limit for I(BLIMIT) V(BUS_B) = 5.05 V, 2.5 V < V(AUXPWR) < 4.5 Vboost: 1 A Mar 10 05:16:13 means: bq24150 can drive up to 1A through the boost choke while energizing the choke. Obviously as soon as the switch to GND opens and the diode/switch from choke to Vbus opens, same 1A max will flow from Bat+ through choke and diode/switch to Vbus. Usually this current declines rapidly since Vbus=5.05V while Vbat<=4.2V Mar 10 05:16:38 if however Vbus < Vbat, this 1A *might* flow continuously Mar 10 05:17:03 HTH Mar 10 05:40:54 however: Mar 10 05:41:16 >>The bq24150/1 provides a built-in overload protection to prevent the device and battery from damage whe nVBUS is over loaded. Once over load condition is detected, Q1 operates in linear mode to limit the output curren twhile VPMID keeps in voltage regulation. If the overload condition lasts for more than 30 ms, the overload fault i sdetected. When an overload condition is detected, the bq24150/1 turns off the PWM converter, rese tOPA_ Mar 10 05:41:18 MODE bit to 0, sets fault status bits, and sends out fault pulse in STAT pin. The boost will not start until th ehost clears the fault register.<< Mar 10 05:43:03 this would mean that something in source N900 needs to restart boostmode (via i2c-command) every 30ms Mar 10 05:45:10 IOW bq24150 in boostmode *can* deliver up to 1A or even more to Vbus, when Vbus < Vbat. But only for 30ms Mar 10 05:48:47 DocScrutinizer05, my battery at source N900 was at ~3.300 at this point Mar 10 05:49:12 (under 1200 mA load voltage dropped to 3.3V, anyway) Mar 10 05:49:13 that makes stuff even stranger Mar 10 05:49:18 exactly Mar 10 05:49:48 that is why i quickly took multimeter and measured to confirm, then, connected charger, invoked boostoff and measured again, then, invoked charging Mar 10 05:50:03 as i was transferring 4GB of data and didn't wanted device to shut down due to low power Mar 10 05:50:22 funny fact is that it haven't even become warmer than usual Mar 10 05:50:33 no idea wtf, will investigate more tomorrow Mar 10 05:51:02 ah, btw voltage on cable was ~5V as it should be Mar 10 05:51:11 o.O Mar 10 05:51:16 (measured before conencting charger to dongling plug of y-cable) Mar 10 05:51:32 *some* detail can't be correct in this story Mar 10 05:52:10 frankly I wouldn't belive anyone until seeing it myself. Either voodo electric or I'll reveal some error while testing tomorrow Mar 10 05:52:16 just no idea what it could be Mar 10 05:52:42 btw I would really like someone to recreate those conditions Mar 10 05:53:05 (2nd device on bq2415 set as "dedicated", first device in hostmode) Mar 10 05:53:05 probing errors due to non-sinusodial waveforms? Mar 10 05:53:36 maybe, but errors both in N900 bq27x00 readout and clamp multimeter, both in line with each other? Mar 10 05:54:07 bq27200 and Vbus current are not identical, by design Mar 10 05:54:29 mhm, but bq should be aware of power draw by vbus? Mar 10 05:54:29 ~0.7 * 5 / 3.3 Mar 10 05:54:30 1.060606060606 Mar 10 05:54:55 otherwise bq would get decalibrated every time one use hostmode Mar 10 05:55:07 ^^^ this is your assumed minimal battery power drain in A, on source device Mar 10 05:55:27 it was higher, as said Mar 10 05:55:30 needs correction by efficiency of boost-converter: / 0.7 Mar 10 05:55:33 1200+ mA Mar 10 05:56:08 ~1.06 / 0.75 Mar 10 05:56:09 1.413333333333 Mar 10 05:56:11 btw, only time I seen so much DISCHARGE rate, was when I enabled everythingp including torch and gps Mar 10 05:56:15 hm Mar 10 05:56:53 so, considering probing errors, could it be 500mA? Mar 10 05:57:06 ~0.5 * 5 / 3.3 Mar 10 05:57:06 0.757575757576 Mar 10 05:57:27 ~0.76 / 0.75 Mar 10 05:57:28 1.013333333333 Mar 10 05:57:40 + 200 mA for device with screen on Mar 10 05:57:48 :nod: Mar 10 05:58:04 still no idea why it would give 500 mA like desktop usb Mar 10 05:58:14 :nod: Mar 10 05:59:55 as said will try to re-do experiment later, if someone want to try it to, be my guest. I'll have damn good reason, as on 2nd device I made backup to mydocs (due to lack of sd card in 2nd device) and then re-created partition table for 2nd device... Mar 10 06:00:11 and got surprised that i can't restore backup from mydocs :P Mar 10 06:00:59 I'd like to reproduce this, but no lab equipment here, not even a decent DVM Mar 10 06:01:12 thankfuly those 4GB of data transfered were for ed on separate partition, so I just need to re-do home into ext3, reflash, re-apply tweaks, get into backupmenu again, don't screw backupping, and restore into ext4 Mar 10 06:01:16 I see Mar 10 06:01:44 well, even power draw from 1nd device measured by bq in scale of 1.2 A would be strange sight Mar 10 06:02:22 I however could solder up some crap consisting of a LED, a cutup micro-USB cable, and several resistors as load Mar 10 06:02:24 as said, kp52 on source device and kp52 on receiving one, on the latter, bq24 module set to treat every connection as dedicated charger Mar 10 06:02:36 (= pull as much power as you can up to 950 mA) Mar 10 06:03:05 hehe Mar 10 06:03:20 if it require work from your side, better wait for my tommorow's results Mar 10 06:03:28 maybe I won't be able to recreate phenomena Mar 10 06:03:34 or spot some stupidity Mar 10 06:03:35 :nod: Mar 10 06:04:01 if it comes to be reproducible, I'll call for testing arms whenever possible, as it would be... well. shocking ;) Mar 10 06:04:16 good, erm, night for now ;) Mar 10 06:04:50 I first time joined here when some user reported to Openmoko/me that Freerunner got extremely hot by trying to charge a N900, some device from pre-summit Mar 10 06:05:35 so charging with usb-hostmode doesn't shock me anymore. Strange things seem to happen Mar 10 06:06:10 NB freerunner supposed to deliver 500mA in hostmode, and has no D+- short Mar 10 06:07:59 so with properly working N900 charging not going beyond 500mA on "normal2 USB host it shouldn't heat up FR Mar 10 06:08:37 at least not to a point were tech savvy users get scared Mar 10 06:31:25 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, are crappatches migrated to the "new" RMO? Mar 10 06:31:38 sure Mar 10 06:31:54 we're sysops, not censors Mar 10 06:32:05 and who is the censor? Mar 10 06:32:06 ;-) Mar 10 06:32:13 hmm, council? Mar 10 06:32:15 I need him :D:D:D Mar 10 06:32:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328022&postcount=3322 Mar 10 06:32:32 *knock knock* Mar 10 06:32:46 nobody at home at $council Mar 10 06:34:14 not that this is a matter of urgency Mar 10 06:35:14 speedpatch Mar 10 06:35:20 ~speedpatch Mar 10 06:35:20 speedpatch is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] Mar 10 06:37:36 answered, CBA to do more about it Mar 10 06:38:13 yep Mar 10 08:04:03 DocScrutinizer05: the tmo admin could happily put a bright red admin message on top of those threads saying "THIS SHIT SUCKS YO" Mar 10 08:05:42 kerio: the problem is that neither admins nor council nor any other executive are supposed to abuse their powers for personal censoring in any form Mar 10 08:06:02 i'm fairly sure that the tmo admin can do whatever it wants Mar 10 08:06:12 that's... what being the admin means, isn't it Mar 10 08:06:37 council or board would remove him Mar 10 08:06:41 it doesn't mean censoring things that even 2 people say works for them even though its being proven to be crap Mar 10 08:06:54 it's not censoring, it's a warning message Mar 10 08:07:15 then you would need a warning on many other things too Mar 10 08:07:30 its a slippery slope once you go down that route Mar 10 08:13:25 there's a clear rule that "authorities" only go active on stuff that's evidently harmful to the hw or software in an irreversible way Mar 10 08:13:45 we removed backupmenu1 based on this IIRC Mar 10 08:14:09 indeed just like the firefox os apps compatibility layer was removed by me for the same reason Mar 10 08:14:21 as it had "rm -rf /" in its first few lines Mar 10 08:14:22 DocScrutinizer05: robbiethe1st "consented" though, right? Mar 10 08:14:30 yep Mar 10 08:14:30 thedead1440: haha wat Mar 10 08:14:50 kerio: it was supposed to be for /tmp but the OP didn't add "cd /tmp" Mar 10 08:15:01 at least 1 person lost all his data because of it Mar 10 08:15:05 even then, you don't delete /tmp Mar 10 08:15:15 indeed Mar 10 08:15:27 also, wouldn't rm stop working after a while? hmm Mar 10 08:15:28 it was for some folder because he was outputting to /tmp Mar 10 08:15:42 posting massively dangerous and rogue commands anywhere is always a sure ban Mar 10 08:15:56 someone used on the N9 and lost full /home/user/ data Mar 10 08:16:12 it's almost enough to quote it like thedead1440 did Mar 10 08:17:17 thedead1440: btw cd /tmp wouldn't change the way this command works Mar 10 08:17:19 kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88991 Mar 10 08:18:00 ooh, you noticed that Mar 10 08:18:00 The second page has Blueslee quoting the offending lines (his data was the one lost) :D Mar 10 08:18:41 DocScrutinizer05: yup i had sketchy recollection its in the second page Mar 10 08:21:45 nah, it's *, not / Mar 10 08:21:51 yup Mar 10 08:22:10 its cd temp then rm -rf * Mar 10 08:22:24 actually rm -xy / doesn't work afaik, a sane rm is rejecting this particular command Mar 10 08:22:27 so for someone who ran it as regular user in terminal lost everything in /home/user/ Mar 10 08:23:09 DocScrutinizer05: yup i read it has been disabled since a few releases in distros but not sure if its disabled on the N9 too Mar 10 08:23:12 only noobs and idiots use relative pathes in sciprs Mar 10 08:23:37 DocScrutinizer05: well, if cd succeeds you're supposed to be in the correct directory Mar 10 08:23:46 no Mar 10 08:23:50 no? :O Mar 10 08:23:59 cd tmp ??? Mar 10 08:24:04 c'mon! Mar 10 08:24:09 i meant in general Mar 10 08:24:11 exactly! Mar 10 08:24:25 and yeah, not using *one* subdir in /tmp makes you a bad person Mar 10 08:25:04 those 2 lines are BS in so many respects, I dunno where to start Mar 10 08:25:13 a) depends on CWD Mar 10 08:25:26 b) uses relative path Mar 10 08:25:29 not only that, but a tempdir made with mktemp Mar 10 08:25:43 c) doesn't test for success of cd Mar 10 08:26:17 and d) you MUST NOT rm /tmp/* since there may be files you don't own Mar 10 08:27:48 and generally you never rm *, you select and maybe even store filenames to rm - store in case of e.g. mktmp Mar 10 08:28:26 and then a really cool coder will clean up in a cleanup(); Mar 10 08:28:41 and add a trap cleanup EXIT; Mar 10 08:29:41 DocScrutinizer05: does that get called when SIGTERM hits? Mar 10 08:29:43 since then it doesn't matter how your script terminates, it always will clean up at end Mar 10 08:29:59 kerio: sure Mar 10 08:30:00 also nope, that's a big fat lie Mar 10 08:30:06 there's no way to trap SIGKILL Mar 10 08:30:26 (or SIGSTOP, fwiw) Mar 10 08:30:29 ~sigkill kerio Mar 10 08:30:58 how,s sigstop mattering here?? Mar 10 08:31:09 it doesn't, but it's the other untrappable signal Mar 10 08:31:25 ktnx Mar 10 08:31:30 never heard about before Mar 10 08:31:45 you can trap SIGCONT, which gets handled when the execution restarts Mar 10 08:31:56 ORLY? Mar 10 08:32:19 you also can read about siganls and about trap command in manpages Mar 10 08:32:28 but #maemo is so much more convenient :3 Mar 10 08:33:19 no thanks, I prefer manpages over your online lessons Mar 10 08:33:39 the latter are too thin Mar 10 08:34:29 and I don't like somebody calling me a liar Mar 10 08:47:21 just to mention it, usually when killing a process you don't use the term "process terminates" since that implies the process caused the termination of itself Mar 10 08:48:08 if anything, you use the term "the process GOT terminated" or rather "process got killed" Mar 10 09:08:11 oh dear somebody else hit with speedpatch :( Mar 10 09:08:25 i can't believe this got in extras Mar 10 09:24:18 well, raise a request to remove it from extras, with *good* rationale why it's a destructive or rogue thing, and bring it up on next council meeting Mar 10 09:25:42 hint: some property that should have been checked by QA testers and would have resulted in demoting the pkg, but actually never got checked, always helps Mar 10 09:25:48 wasn't it voted into extras? Mar 10 09:26:30 this isn't a vote, this is a QA certification, often done by fools Mar 10 09:26:37 ah Mar 10 09:27:08 i'm not aware of the process; just read a few pages of the thread and karam keeps asking people to vote so i thought it was voted into extras Mar 10 09:27:16 there's a pretty precise ruleset for QA, that nobody usually follows Mar 10 09:28:50 is there like a QA committee? Mar 10 09:29:53 no Mar 10 09:29:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist Mar 10 09:30:39 there are "supertesters" with heavy votes Mar 10 09:32:02 the last QA meeting was 3 years ago? o.O Mar 10 09:32:25 yep the voting was a joke for this package Mar 10 09:32:47 let me guess; fanboys of karam voted it in? Mar 10 09:32:50 people with no clue or testing knowledge voted up Mar 10 09:32:56 yep Mar 10 09:33:05 democracy at its best :D Mar 10 09:33:21 i for one looked though the sources and thought eek Mar 10 09:33:39 had to reflash my testing n900 postrm Mar 10 09:34:24 when i first got my n900 i had installed these two patches too and re-flash... i hadn't read the thread just browsing via fapman and i was infected :D Mar 10 09:34:46 yep this is why i don't like them in extras Mar 10 09:35:10 people with no knowledge damaging there devices Mar 10 09:35:18 true Mar 10 09:35:36 the thing is surely there are enough fanboys of his to object to its downgrade from extras Mar 10 09:35:43 IIRC there is no warning it sets 500-805 overclock Mar 10 09:35:59 i've read quite a bit of the thread and he has pretty radical people standing up for him :D :D Mar 10 09:36:12 :nod: Mar 10 09:37:03 hence voting chaos, some have never voted for anything else IIRC Mar 10 09:37:31 maybe instead of taking it out from extras, an action that may cause these radicals to come back, maybe something could be added to its description directing people to read the thread before installing it Mar 10 09:38:34 I doubt if it was moved back to devel anyone would notice Mar 10 09:38:59 but how many have been infected? Mar 10 09:40:02 true too i just don't trust these people and especially with the council having to spar with Rob this would mean one more shitstorm thread in-waiting Mar 10 09:40:52 also i was trying to start the testing packages motive back up, but infra issues stopped this. Mar 10 09:41:17 :nod: best to leave it be for the time being Mar 10 09:41:43 (( had to reflash my testing n900 postrm)) already a blocker :-) Mar 10 09:41:56 i voted down Mar 10 09:43:00 (( IIRC there is no warning it sets 500-805 overclock)) blocker for sure Mar 10 09:43:18 one of the reason why i voted down Mar 10 09:44:19 DocScrutinizer05: good morning. Rob from HiFo reacted to my email and requested Tim / Cosimo to update the supports wall Mar 10 09:44:51 lol, not as if this was the first request of this kind Mar 10 09:45:06 Tim??? Mar 10 09:45:11 Tim resigned Mar 10 09:45:16 thomasjfox: Yes, I'll update the donation wall. Probably I won't have time this week, though. <--- Cosimo dated 27/02/13 Mar 10 09:45:35 he replied that to me 11 days ago Mar 10 09:45:45 hmm. probably I'm too much of an optimist :) Mar 10 09:46:06 may be he has a bad cold and didn't get to do it yet :o) Mar 10 09:46:37 nope you aren't; i did the same request on a TMO thread it went unanswered for >7 days before I sent an email to Cosimo. tl;dr i've chased this since >18 days and no action taken yet Mar 10 09:47:13 maybe you too should send an email to Cosimo Mar 10 09:47:15 sixwheeledbeast: thedead1440: anyway, I encourage you to go ahead and do something about crappatches. Council won't act on own initiative on it Mar 10 09:48:18 I can't see my vote ? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/speedpatch/4.0/ Mar 10 09:48:19 post to tmo thread and list all the blockers according to QA rules, which justify taking pkg down from extras. We'll happily discuss it in council Mar 10 09:49:01 anyway as you can see vote downs were serious issues Mar 10 09:49:17 please be verbose and precise in explaining each single issue Mar 10 09:50:00 council won't probably act on testing votes results, we don't review them Mar 10 09:50:14 DocScrutinizer05: why don't you edit the roof-on-fire thread and inform people donations are not required for the time being? Its useless going to a place people don't even bother to update on donation status Mar 10 09:50:27 if nobody stepped up in time to declare a blocker, you need to do it now Mar 10 09:50:50 thedead1440: have ypu hit F5 recently ;-P Mar 10 09:51:22 ah Mar 10 09:51:28 missed the light blue part Mar 10 09:51:30 :D Mar 10 09:52:40 looking at karma:- all votes down = trusted community members, all votes up = 3 karma Mar 10 09:52:51 the votes show 10-5 in favour of the patch Mar 10 09:53:01 is there a % of how many up votes required? Mar 10 09:53:17 clear 6 more positive Mar 10 09:53:57 afaik 3 downvotes suffice to block, or sth like that Mar 10 09:54:25 and it was still promoted? Mar 10 09:54:44 so the threshold must have been >3 or >5 even Mar 10 09:56:59 "just wanna say something i see some a fake account created and voted no probably by a hater of speedpatch" <--- haha; "up" votes must have happened that way karam... Mar 10 09:57:36 this is why i start the broken package thread, we need to get rid of the crap in extras IMO Mar 10 09:57:52 the wiki says +10 votes Mar 10 09:58:08 fmg's own assessment fails it only on licensing and "no missing announce features" Mar 10 09:58:19 so there can be 9 V and 10 ^ to promote, madness Mar 10 09:58:55 yup who ever thought it out must have been drunk Mar 10 09:59:33 only if there is one completed checklist in QA Mar 10 09:59:45 this is fmgs down one! Mar 10 10:00:14 dafaq I can't even switch to page2 of comments :-S Mar 10 10:00:30 DocScrutinizer05: i thought too; its actually comment number not page number switching Mar 10 10:00:41 LOL Mar 10 10:00:42 try click 7 and it takes you to fmg's comment solely Mar 10 10:00:48 DocScrutinizer05: garage has been like that for ages Mar 10 10:01:07 ahh comment number Mar 10 10:01:09 not even that Mar 10 10:01:35 editing URL to pagenumber=10 doesn't chnage anything Mar 10 10:02:25 I haven't got a 7 only 1-6> Mar 10 10:02:50 sixwheeledbeast: it hates you :p Mar 10 10:03:35 there is no "7" Mar 10 10:03:48 you're kidding me? Mar 10 10:04:11 I can click whatever I want, nothing changes Mar 10 10:04:46 http://db.tt/pEJrCG1K Mar 10 10:05:06 honestly I can't see how messing with existing cgroups is a valid practice either Mar 10 10:05:35 Doc my screen shows 7 and one comment in isolation see the link above Mar 10 10:05:49 dunno what you do Mar 10 10:06:02 dunno what *you* do :p :p Mar 10 10:06:12 *I* use a sane browser Mar 10 10:06:30 and carefully adjusted cookie policies Mar 10 10:06:34 I use firefox; i know its a resource hog etc but its sane though Mar 10 10:07:04 and similarly carefully ajusted reluctant java/(script) enabling Mar 10 10:07:57 DocScrutinizer05: i use ff but with my own personal security settings Mar 10 10:09:08 meh, this page is a fuckedup as crappatch itself Mar 10 10:09:33 agreed, ff in safe mode doesn't work either Mar 10 10:10:14 "optimized for FF on M$ crap" ? Mar 10 10:10:50 actually a lot of Nokia stuff only works with MSIE or FF in default mode Mar 10 10:10:55 DocScrutinizer05: mine is ff 19 on mint Mar 10 10:11:03 probably some midgard template Mar 10 10:11:24 I honestly don't care Mar 10 10:11:37 it should be filed as a bug too? Mar 10 10:11:47 I blamed it at meego.com, and on maemo several times Mar 10 10:11:53 nobody ever cared Mar 10 10:12:00 s/it/shouldn't it/ Mar 10 10:12:01 thedead1440 meant: shouldn't it should be filed as a bug too? Mar 10 10:12:24 Doc you'll hate me but ff on *bunt* Mar 10 10:12:36 *shrug* Mar 10 10:13:18 I have more severe "problems" to track Mar 10 10:14:25 actually I don't need any more comments on crappatch to know it's borked Mar 10 10:15:00 it's not comments on the package more comments on it being in extras Mar 10 10:15:17 but i agree there are better things to do Mar 10 10:15:56 we could just state "on comment 318 there been 7 blockers mentioned which the original author never targeted. Promotion to extras been by accident - reverted. sorry for the inconvenience!" ;-P Mar 10 10:16:39 yes please, who can do this? Mar 10 10:17:01 I *can* do remmoval from extras in 90s Mar 10 10:17:08 but i MUSTN'T Mar 10 10:17:28 Council? Mar 10 10:17:44 or Rob? (shock and horror) Mar 10 10:18:13 it was "lost" in migration :) Mar 10 10:18:30 hehe imagine putting this request to HiFo and Rob would search how he could be held liable for any demotion etc Mar 10 10:18:51 if he doesn't demote it he could still be held liable so either way he would be in a ditch :D Mar 10 10:19:54 luckily that's a council domain issue clearly Mar 10 10:21:18 that's why I say "write blockers up in a precise and verbose manner somewhere publicly, with rationale and all. Send a mail to council about it, pointing to that place, and rise the topic on next council meeting" Mar 10 10:21:38 I already gave you several hints Mar 10 10:21:55 OC by default is a BLOCKER Mar 10 10:22:14 no optification: blocker Mar 10 10:22:23 no proper uninstall: blocker Mar 10 10:22:56 not delivering announced features: blocker Mar 10 10:25:07 and probably you could find several colateral damages that would justify removal each single one of them, like messing up of databases, power issues, whatnot else Mar 10 10:26:45 but i would have to reinstall the bugger to remind me of the issues Mar 10 10:27:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Blockers Mar 10 10:28:07 sixwheeledbeast: just broken functionality i.e. overclocking without notice and cgroup modification without notice would be sufficient right? That way you don't need to go thru the nightmare again :D Mar 10 10:28:37 >>The main security risks are financial damage, access to private data and harm to device components. If you find such risk in an application then you need to report it and the app can't be uploaded to Extras until a deeper analysis has been done with favourable results.<< Mar 10 10:29:05 OC == damage to hw Mar 10 10:29:09 yup Mar 10 10:30:06 mmm, trying to be as fair as possible by having the application for testing but i suppose i can go off past testing expirence from when i "voted" Mar 10 10:34:29 downloading the source now to remind me. mmm, there is also potential of being attacked by fanboys via pm and what not :-/ Mar 10 10:35:24 sixwheeledbeast: you can report PMs ;) Mar 10 10:41:27 mmm, seems we are getting all the *patches mixed up anyhow Mar 10 10:42:20 speedpatch is cgroups only, batterypatch is 500-800 overclock with underclocking on locked device Mar 10 10:43:20 so speedpatch can't be downgraded in that event? Mar 10 10:44:31 "batterypatch" 'This is a highly configured patch that improves the Battery Life of your N900 using dbus-scripts' dbus-scripts and improves battery in same sentence, LMAO Mar 10 10:44:44 hehe Mar 10 10:45:02 thedead1440: possibly not Mar 10 10:45:27 I can only see that the copyright file has only "GPL" in Mar 10 10:45:34 either way even if one is downgraded it should be enough Mar 10 10:45:34 hahaha fmg's comment in speedpatch is gold Mar 10 10:45:40 sixwheeledbeast: i think that's a debian thing actually Mar 10 10:45:55 [X] No performance problems. OK. As this SW does nothing, there should not be performance impact. Mar 10 10:46:04 kerio: you mean the comment that it has taken them only 2-3 years to come back to stock config Mar 10 10:46:06 oh that one Mar 10 10:47:36 thedead1440: ohoh, which one? Mar 10 10:47:47 i read it previously on the thread Mar 10 10:49:12 well i can't see how speedpatch uninstalls cleanly Mar 10 10:50:47 it's makes allsorts of directories and there's only one rm line in prerm and no postrm Mar 10 10:52:19 wtf changelog for batterypatch "fixed heat problem" Mar 10 10:58:19 ROTFL Mar 10 10:59:05 kerio: found it :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1166208&postcount=3064 Mar 10 11:02:50 caution if you use this patch you may get your fingers burnt :-/ Mar 10 11:03:24 you should read post 3065 too; karam explains the "development" time-frame Mar 10 11:04:07 >> Mar 10 11:04:09 currently i haven't seen any SW that modifies /syspart Mar 10 11:04:10