**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 16 02:59:58 2013 Mar 16 03:21:49 hi Mar 16 03:21:59 i'm having a problem on my nokia n900 Mar 16 03:22:10 i'd like to get a recovery shell. or at least be able to mount the rootfs Mar 16 03:22:18 it there a way to do that while on "usb recovery mode"? Mar 16 04:15:49 wxcafe: try rescueOS Mar 16 04:47:23 wxcafe, define usb recovery mode Mar 16 04:52:58 as for recovery shell, there is such package for kernel-power (or any kernel with fbcon), there is Mentalist Traceur's recovery shell (preffered, as it works with all boots on earth - bootmenu, multiboot, backupmenu, whatever) Mar 16 04:53:18 there is recovery shell bundled inside backupmenu Mar 16 04:54:19 for example, for "regular" recovery purposes, I use backupmenu's recovery shell, as more things are mounted and defined at that time Mar 16 04:55:35 in case of failure that doesn't even allow to boot into backupmenu, I still have mentalist's method, that invoke shell from beginning of preinit Mar 16 04:56:35 (I modified it to have 1 sec timeframe for pressing any key during boot, so it doesn't slow down regular booting, but still allow getting into shell by bashing whatever at beginning of boot, if we want to get it) Mar 16 04:57:25 there is also usb networking and ssh and usb console from backupmenu (require external desktop), but it is broken since a 1.5 year or so Mar 16 04:57:32 ~spank robbiethe1st Mar 16 04:57:32 * infobot bends robbiethe1st over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on robbiethe1st's pasty white buttocks. Mar 16 04:58:02 so none of those 3 backupmenu functions actually work Mar 16 04:58:05 s Mar 16 05:14:53 is there any more info on overclocking failure rates now that ppl have had their phones for many years? Mar 16 05:15:14 i sometimes run mine at 850 but it does tend to get quite warm if at 100% cpu Mar 16 05:23:26 Hi all Mar 16 05:24:45 warning, unknown user detected in channel Mar 16 05:24:56 lol Mar 16 05:25:04 sorry, ive had too much sugar Mar 16 05:25:07 i will go away Mar 16 05:25:57 Is there someone here know why many of my packages can't be build under the new maemo-builder ? Mar 16 05:27:16 Is it the right channel to ask this question ? Mar 16 05:35:20 DocScrutinizer05: infobot dead ;) Mar 16 05:39:58 Does anybody have a copy of the flasher utility for debian that I can get? Nokia's site is down apparently Mar 16 05:41:38 dima`: skeiron.org/tablets-dev is the replica Mar 16 05:42:37 thedead1440: aha. thanks very much. Mar 16 05:42:43 np Mar 16 07:08:38 moaning Mar 16 07:10:10 good moaning to you too :p Mar 16 07:12:05 ~status Mar 16 07:12:06 Since Tue Mar 12 09:21:00 2013, there have been 6 modifications, 159 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 85 commands. I have been awake for 3d 21h 51m 5s this session, and currently reference 118992 factoids. I'm using about 24072 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1099.62/20.2 child 0/0 Mar 16 07:12:11 ~die Mar 16 07:13:44 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Mar 16 07:13:53 ~chaninfo Mar 16 07:13:54 110/124 channels, 4495 users, 3280 unique: #debian/1230, #kde/380, #maemo/251, #gsoc/228, #asterisk/186, #wowuidev/136, #meego/128, #oe/124, #arm-netbook/123, #harmattan/122, #wowace/108, #cubieboard/101, #utah/78, #openmoko/77, #bzflag/68, #openmoko-cdevel/67, #tomcat/62, #edev/55, #maemo-ssu/53, #uclibc/51, #asterisk-dev/46, #sc2mapster/43, #htc-linux/43, #/42, #n9/41, #curseforge/39, #slug/35, #gllug/33, #uphpu/32, #elinux/29, ##kierra/28, ... Mar 16 07:14:18 DocScrutinizer05: you're so cruel :D Mar 16 07:15:02 ~chaninfo Mar 16 07:15:03 124/124 channels, 4734 users, 3399 unique: #debian/1230, #kde/380, #maemo/251, #gsoc/228, #asterisk/186, #wowuidev/136, #meego/128, #oe/124, #arm-netbook/123, #harmattan/122, #wowace/108, #cubieboard/101, #wowhead/86, #webos-internals/85, #utah/78, #openmoko/77, #bzflag/68, #openmoko-cdevel/67, #tomcat/62, #edev/55, #maemo-ssu/53, #uclibc/51, #asterisk-dev/46, #sc2mapster/43, #htc-linux/43, #/42, #n9/41, #curseforge/39, #slug/35, #gllug/33, ... Mar 16 08:00:23 A question. My N900 wasn't booting, so I reflashed it after everything else failed. The device boots. I see nothing in /dev/mmc*. 'dmesg' doesn't say anything, but I suspect its history is too short. Anybody know how to see if the NAND is dead? Any easy ways to boost the dmesg buffer? Mar 16 08:15:34 if the NAND was dead, it wouldn't boot. I guess you're worried about eMMC Mar 16 08:16:21 system wouldn't come up properly without eMMC either, since no swap and no /home(/opt) Mar 16 08:17:06 what do you mean by "I see nothing in /dev/mmc*" ? Mar 16 08:17:31 * DocScrutinizer05 smells pebkac Mar 16 08:21:15 :( no packages Mar 16 08:26:33 DocScrutinizer05: it boots, but there's /home Mar 16 08:27:09 DocScrutinizer05: /home is simply a subdirectory of /, which isn't on the eMMC Mar 16 08:27:23 the /etc/fstab has just the rootfs entry Mar 16 08:27:30 mount Mar 16 08:27:35 fstab is moot Mar 16 08:27:49 or df -h Mar 16 08:28:00 Sure. mount doesn't list /home or /opt Mar 16 08:28:14 that's not nice Mar 16 08:28:23 reflash full Mar 16 08:28:30 DocScrutinizer05: This is a new reflash Mar 16 08:28:32 incl eMMC/VANILLA Mar 16 08:29:22 DocScrutinizer05: No, just the COMBINED Mar 16 08:29:34 eh? Mar 16 08:29:47 DocScrutinizer05: are you asking about what got reflashed? Mar 16 08:29:48 I suggest something, you answer "No"? Mar 16 08:30:12 oh, no this wasn't a question Mar 16 08:30:18 DocScrutinizer05: Oh, that's wasn't a question. Got it Mar 16 08:30:21 it was an advice Mar 16 08:31:29 DocScrutinizer05: Does it make sense to you that reflashing the eMMC would fix it? The kernel isn't seeing any device nodes in /dev/, so reflashing the data those nodes would refer to shouldn't matter, right? Mar 16 08:32:17 hmm, yes and no Mar 16 08:32:43 yes, your rationale has a point for sure. And no, since you got no other options Mar 16 08:33:01 DocScrutinizer05: Fair enough. Thanks Mar 16 08:33:15 reflashing emmc without flashing the rootfs will make things asplode Mar 16 08:33:36 OK. Good to know, thanks Mar 16 08:33:41 kerio: nobody suggested to do so Mar 16 08:33:50 ~flashing Mar 16 08:33:51 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 16 08:34:21 and, for tools and images: Mar 16 08:34:24 ~skeiron Mar 16 08:34:25 it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 16 10:42:45 M4rtinK: checked builder stuff? Mar 16 10:43:19 [2013-03-16 10:52:27] stopping cron for a moment Mar 16 10:43:21 [2013-03-16 10:55:03] i've moved all those fetch-extras* jobs into one job and added some locking Mar 16 10:43:47 [2013-03-16 10:55:19] so in total you get one run per hour in worst case Mar 16 10:46:20 http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=4hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1363428044&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo Mar 16 10:48:07 DocScrutinizer05: my two packages are being swallowed up still :( Mar 16 10:48:12 uploaded twice now Mar 16 10:48:44 jacekowski: ^^^ could you have a look? Mar 16 10:48:52 thank you Mar 16 10:58:08 sixwheeledbeast: what is the package name? Mar 16 10:58:35 jacekowski: "flopswap" "tenminutecore" Mar 16 10:59:02 tenminutecore is a new version 0.0.7 flopswap is a new pkg completely Mar 16 11:00:28 KeyError'>: 'getpwuid(): uid not found: 11430' Mar 16 11:00:51 fuuuuu*k Mar 16 11:00:54 that sounds like my uid from last night? Mar 16 11:01:01 yes, it is Mar 16 11:01:22 what's your username? Mar 16 11:01:28 sixwheeledbeast Mar 16 11:01:33 sixwheeledbeast:x:11430:1004:,,,:/var/www/homedirs/users/s/sixwheeledbeast:/usr/local/bin/svngitsh.pl Mar 16 11:01:36 jacekowski: sixwheeledbeast and M4rtinK had no record in vcs//etc/passwd Mar 16 11:02:00 I added that brute force last night Mar 16 11:02:45 that could explain some things Mar 16 11:18:58 hello there Mar 16 11:23:24 o/ Mar 16 11:26:05 hmm, i'm back Mar 16 11:26:21 sorry if i missed something Mar 16 11:27:12 so, anyone having a clue how to access a rescue shell or the filesystem? Mar 16 11:29:41 be more specific Mar 16 11:30:51 DocScrutinizer05: the modRana package I submitted through SCP last night seems to have been built :) Mar 16 11:30:58 well, i'd like to get something like a shell on the device Mar 16 11:31:11 or being able to mount the rootfs on my desktop Mar 16 11:31:14 wxcafe: did you brick your device? Mar 16 11:31:22 :-) Mar 16 11:31:28 mounting the rootfs on your desktop is kinda impossible, except via network mounts Mar 16 11:31:34 because it's a mtd, and you can't export that Mar 16 11:31:37 Hurrian: it boots to the "usb recovery" thing Mar 16 11:31:38 ~rescueOS Mar 16 11:31:38 from memory, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Mar 16 11:31:49 hmm, i don't get networking. Mar 16 11:31:55 the thing doesn't boot Mar 16 11:32:10 wxcafe: load rescueOS from ram via the flasher Mar 16 11:32:13 it's pretty much what you want Mar 16 11:32:17 it gives you a shell on-device Mar 16 11:32:31 with usb networking, telnet and ftp if you want Mar 16 11:32:42 or mass storage, but mass storage only works for the eMMC Mar 16 11:32:47 kerio: so i do a flasher -F rescueos.img -f and then i just boot? Mar 16 11:32:58 wxcafe: read the documentation Mar 16 11:32:59 no Mar 16 11:33:01 and most definetely not -f Mar 16 11:33:08 oh yeah, right, it's in there Mar 16 11:33:11 thanks! Mar 16 11:33:30 it's loaded from ram Mar 16 11:33:45 well i don't quite master the flasher tool uet Mar 16 11:33:48 yet* Mar 16 11:33:50 you can also load it from uboot Mar 16 11:34:04 to tell you everything, i got the phone 3 days ago Mar 16 11:34:16 wxcafe: just place the files somewhere, run the flasher with the specified command line, and it'll boot straight into a shell. Mar 16 11:34:17 so... why do you care? just reflash Mar 16 11:34:36 kerio: because i don't like to get beaten by a phone Mar 16 11:34:42 3 days! Mar 16 11:34:43 kerio: and i know what's wrong Mar 16 11:34:49 ah, then ok Mar 16 11:35:07 well, i caused the problem :P Mar 16 11:35:09 once your phone is back up and working, install backupmenu Mar 16 11:35:14 it's good Mar 16 11:35:19 i'll look into that Mar 16 11:35:22 oh, btw Mar 16 11:35:32 makes tarball of the full system Mar 16 11:35:34 *tarballs Mar 16 11:35:36 i get this key expired error on apt updates Mar 16 11:35:38 and can restore them Mar 16 11:35:41 wxcafe: there should be a directory on / called RescueOS, you'd want to run "mount_maemo_root.sh". Mar 16 11:35:52 wxcafe: ignore it Mar 16 11:35:56 it's not harmful and there's nothing you can do Mar 16 11:36:13 kerio: oh, so there's no community-driven repo? Mar 16 11:36:15 :/ Mar 16 11:36:21 of course there is Mar 16 11:36:26 but the key is expired on dmnc Mar 16 11:36:36 hmm Mar 16 11:36:38 oh and btw, install cssu-stable or cssu-testing at least Mar 16 11:36:44 dmnc=downloads.maemo.nokia.com Mar 16 11:36:48 there's that too Mar 16 11:36:49 notice the second level domain Mar 16 11:37:20 yeah i meant that there could be a copy of that repo, driven by the community Mar 16 11:37:22 anyway Mar 16 11:37:48 i also get this problem with qt Mar 16 11:38:14 which won't install, because most apps ask for version 4.7git or something Mar 16 11:38:24 have you installed cssu? Mar 16 11:38:26 and the repo only has 4.5 or something Mar 16 11:38:36 i can't, as it's asking for qt Mar 16 11:38:43 hm Mar 16 11:39:46 i think you're lying, cssu-testing has libqt 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu7 Mar 16 11:40:12 have you followed the cssu installation instructions? Mar 16 11:40:30 alright, let me get my phone to boot again Mar 16 11:40:46 and then we'll deal with the 'me lying about qt installation' part Mar 16 11:40:51 if you don't mind :) Mar 16 11:42:11 but thanks for your help, all Mar 16 11:42:38 wxcafe: there's a software update made by the Maemo community, which your device probably isn't running Mar 16 11:42:51 it definitely isn't Mar 16 11:43:39 well, lots of community-developed software packages are running on the assumption that you're using that update, so it might be best if you installed it once you get it up and running. Mar 16 11:44:09 alright Mar 16 11:44:27 yeah, i really have got to look into this more carefully Mar 16 11:44:45 yep, the PR 1.3 Qt is pretty broken Mar 16 11:45:13 for example, Qt Components don't work very well with it Mar 16 11:48:11 best solution for cleaning slide-tray, pre-main ribbon installation? Mar 16 11:49:34 sixwheeledbeast: did you get confirmation email from garage? Mar 16 11:49:57 jacekowski: no nothing for months Mar 16 11:50:22 that sixwheeledbeast is a new account? Mar 16 11:50:38 wait, do you mean ages ago Mar 16 11:50:58 no Mar 16 11:51:03 when you created that sixwheeledbeast account Mar 16 11:51:31 sixwheeledbeast: canned air? Mar 16 11:51:50 yes I asked for invitation to extras, waited 48 hours and confirmed email this was over 6 months ago Mar 16 11:52:21 Hurrian: sticky adhesive Mar 16 11:52:51 sixwheeledbeast: careful with plain clear tape though, it might make the surface itself sticky. Mar 16 11:53:01 masking tape's a pretty safe option. Mar 16 11:53:20 DocScrutinizer05, I also have problem with autobuilder Mar 16 11:53:26 was hoping because nothing electrical and only alu, a rinse under tap would do Mar 16 11:53:45 yesterday I uploaded new version of bnf, it seems to got uploaded via scp (no errors after asking for key) Mar 16 11:53:48 don't think there's grease in the slide mech. Mar 16 11:53:52 yet, no sign of package anywhere Mar 16 11:54:14 i have checked packages.maemo.org, and no info about it in latest build, either failed or succeed Mar 16 11:54:19 Estel_: same issue here. Mar 16 11:54:21 just like it vanished Mar 16 11:54:42 sixwheeledbeast, so your key wasnmt rejected, and failed silently? Mar 16 11:55:08 i.e. scp succeed, but autobuilder rejected package without even trying to build? Mar 16 11:55:16 Doc fixed the key via brute force last night for both me and martink Mar 16 11:55:25 I know Mar 16 11:55:43 key works now Mar 16 11:55:44 thats why I tyink if your same problem is about key (so my key could be wrong), or you mean problem now Mar 16 11:55:47 I SCPed modRana yesterday and today in the morning the package was build Mar 16 11:55:53 seems I did an incomplete job though Mar 16 11:55:57 ask jacekowski Mar 16 11:56:03 so, if I got no errors on scp, it may mean that my key is ok? Mar 16 11:56:07 IIRC, the autobuilder currently runs from a cronjob, not on demand Mar 16 11:56:11 I think he's looking in to it Mar 16 11:56:25 yes, autobuilder only runs via cronjob Mar 16 11:56:32 M4rtinK, btw, why on repos there is newer version of modrana than in modrana cobs? :P Mar 16 11:56:48 also, will migration of obs from meego.pub to mer cobs affect modrana cosb? Mar 16 11:57:12 DocScrutinizer05, ok, but how often cronjob runs? Mar 16 11:57:15 hmm, it should be the same Mar 16 11:57:20 ask jacekowski Mar 16 11:57:21 won't it choke due to many packages at once? Mar 16 11:57:36 jacekowski ^ Mar 16 11:57:54 Estel_: I will continue to use both (at least as long as COBS itself stays up) Mar 16 11:58:08 that's a question that's not bothering users Mar 16 11:58:09 they warned about meego.pub getting freezed soon Mar 16 11:58:24 due to migration to mer.pub Mar 16 11:58:35 DocScrutinizer05, you lost me on that one Mar 16 11:58:45 Estel_: with COBS being something like a testing repo before pushing the package to Extras Mar 16 11:58:52 if builder chokes, we'll take care Mar 16 11:59:00 how many days should uploader wait for package to build, currently, before raising alarm that something is wrong? Mar 16 11:59:10 one Mar 16 11:59:26 Estel_: btw, any timeline for the COBS shutdown ? Mar 16 11:59:26 well, it was question about rationale for running from cronjob vs on demand Mar 16 11:59:41 M4rtinK, it was sent in mer mailing list, deleted that mail :/ Mar 16 11:59:46 but all dates were there Mar 16 11:59:55 and it's not shutdown as i understand it Mar 16 11:59:55 ok, I'll check out the archives Mar 16 12:00:10 on demand it would run more often than via cronjob Mar 16 12:00:15 sixwheeledbeast: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Mar 16 12:00:22 sixwheeledbeast: when you go there, what does it say Mar 16 12:00:23 we can't have concurrent builder jobs running Mar 16 12:00:43 still won't help much as I don't think the Mer OBS has the Harmattan target (which I'm using to build the Fremantle packages in COBS :) )? Mar 16 12:00:46 DocScrutinizer05, hm, on-demand + one package at once? Mar 16 12:00:58 jacekowski, when cronjob runs autobuilder? Mar 16 12:00:59 hmm, doesn't bother user Mar 16 12:01:13 jacekowski: you are logged in as sixwheeledbeast Mar 16 12:01:15 I've uploaded package yesterday and no sign of it, either failure or succeed Mar 16 12:01:28 jacekowski: move to step 2 Mar 16 12:01:44 Estel_: every minute Mar 16 12:01:46 DocScrutinizer05, sure, but since when maemo technicals become top secret? :P Mar 16 12:01:53 jacekowski, w00t? Mar 16 12:01:58 jacekowski: that should be fine Mar 16 12:02:09 jacekowski: that's basically on-demand :) Mar 16 12:02:13 no secret, just no explainer-entertainer Mar 16 12:02:19 hmm Mar 16 12:02:23 battery is empty Mar 16 12:02:33 it's going to take a bit longer than i expected Mar 16 12:02:39 jacekowski, so should I already report to you that autobuilder doesn't work for me? sixwheeledbeast have same problem :P Mar 16 12:02:49 (i'm charging it via my arduino) Mar 16 12:02:55 M4rtinK, +1 Mar 16 12:03:21 DocScrutinizer05, you seem to talk like that when you have no clue about rationale :P *teasing* Mar 16 12:03:23 Estel_: get it the queue :P Mar 16 12:03:28 s/it/in/ Mar 16 12:03:29 sixwheeledbeast meant: Estel_: get in the queue :P Mar 16 12:04:39 DocScrutinizer05, you're becoming boring, get a life :P Mar 16 12:04:53 sixwheeledbeast, don't mix it with autobuilder queye :P Mar 16 12:05:25 s/queye/queue/ Mar 16 12:05:26 Estel_ meant: sixwheeledbeast, don't mix it with autobuilder queue :P Mar 16 12:06:07 congrats, you made it on my ignore list again Mar 16 12:06:44 I'm positively shaken and I don't know how I will live with it :( Mar 16 12:07:59 jacekowski, so, going back into track, is it normal that there is no sign of package since yesterday, or should I be pestering you about it already? Mar 16 12:11:00 ah .. packages in the build queue Mar 16 12:11:14 my packages to be exact Mar 16 12:11:20 hm Mar 16 12:11:27 where have you checked it? Mar 16 12:11:36 maybe I'm using wrong thing to monitor Mar 16 12:12:04 https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php? Mar 16 12:12:26 over on the right from 9 o clock this morning Mar 16 12:12:41 thanks Mar 16 12:12:42 they weren't there an hour ago Mar 16 12:29:03 Hello, I was wondering if I can install U-Boot and keep my power kernel 51 + CSSU Thumb! Does anyone have this setup? Mar 16 12:35:27 you can't boot a thumbified system (userland and system programs) under a non-thombified kernel. So uBoot is mostly useless for you Mar 16 12:36:25 unless you want to boot into auxiliary system on eMMC or uSD, then the answer is yes, this works Mar 16 12:37:18 bennypr0fane, it will work for you Mar 16 12:37:23 kp51 contain thumb patches Mar 16 12:37:27 however you need to install KP51 for your default system, and never boot it with default kernel that ships with uBoot Mar 16 12:38:11 you just need to set uBoot to have kp as default kernel, problem solved Mar 16 12:38:13 I never intend to boot the U-Boot attached stock kernel Mar 16 12:38:25 however you need to install KP51 uBoot kernelimage for your default system, and never boot it with default kernel that ships with uBoot Mar 16 12:38:36 DocScrutinizer05, I think he means Pali's u-boot+bootmenu. Mar 16 12:38:47 hurrian yes, that Mar 16 12:38:48 * Estel_ nods Mar 16 12:39:01 Hurrian: yes, sure. So? Mar 16 12:39:25 DocScrutinizer05, doesn't it pull in kernel-power-bootimg if u-boot is installed? Mar 16 12:39:31 so follow carefully instructions, and you will be fine. There is *no* scenario that can't work with U-boot, including other os'es... Mar 16 12:39:38 I want to dual boot between kp51 from eMMC and Debian from SD card Mar 16 12:39:42 ...so thumb is least of a problem here Mar 16 12:39:50 why not Mar 16 12:40:12 not to mention that easy debian would make your life easier, but if you want non-chroot'ed one, why not Mar 16 12:40:15 unless Pali bundles KP51 to uBoot now, he will need to boot to kp51.img for NAND system Mar 16 12:40:17 so there is a thumb compiled version of kp51r1? Mar 16 12:40:29 kp51r1 includes Thumb support. Mar 16 12:40:33 kp51r1 is thumb Mar 16 12:40:44 there is *no* non-thumb version of kp51 Mar 16 12:40:51 or any future KP Mar 16 12:40:51 oh Mar 16 12:41:07 btw Mar 16 12:41:17 install kp52 from opening post of kp51 thread Mar 16 12:41:29 KP52 would be in repos ages ago, if repos wouldn't be fubar Mar 16 12:41:40 now, Pali wait in queue to upload it :P Mar 16 12:41:56 so you can save yourself re-made of kp +u-boot image Mar 16 12:42:04 and do it with kp52 already Mar 16 12:42:09 the previous - non-thumb - way of doing this was 1. install u-boot, which would flash to stock kernel, then to install the kp bootimg Mar 16 12:42:29 aha so 52 not developer-only material anymore... Mar 16 12:42:31 Estel_, IIRC on newer versions of u-boot+bootmenu, you can simply set KP as default entry Mar 16 12:42:33 glad to hear it Mar 16 12:42:34 bennypr0fane: exactly same Mar 16 12:42:44 if you want hassle freee setup, and you're going to use maemo more often than debian... Mar 16 12:42:47 Hurrian, yea Mar 16 12:43:19 Hurrian, my strange habit would be to still get kp52 + u-boot flashed into nand Mar 16 12:43:32 also it used to be not posibble to boot kp with the keyboard closed. has this been changed? Mar 16 12:43:37 as basic one, working in every bizzare condition Mar 16 12:43:42 bennypr0fane, yes it has. Mar 16 12:43:43 then boot whatever from u-boot Mar 16 12:44:03 Hurrian, how it's achieved technically (default entry) Mar 16 12:44:14 Estel_, you could just stick a boot.scr on sdcard though Mar 16 12:44:15 it just mix itself with U-boot and flashes to nand? Mar 16 12:44:24 hm Mar 16 12:44:26 bennypr0fane: that's never been true. It's just not supported by this luser-wizard that creates uBoot menucfg for you, from bootmenu entries Mar 16 12:45:01 Doc well I'm that kind of luser wizard-user I'm afraid Mar 16 12:45:16 s/It's/it was/ -i DocScrutinizer05 Mar 16 12:45:22 DocScrutinizer05: actually, it was a bug I was bringing up with Pali since the first testing versions, although I had some trouble explaining it to him in English Mar 16 12:45:29 It's fixed now, though Mar 16 12:45:58 Hurrian: fine Mar 16 12:46:03 bennypr0fane, don't worry, this luser-wizard is good way to go... Mar 16 12:46:20 as typos in editing it manually are most likely case to get "brick" Mar 16 12:47:00 if you don't need to edit it manually, do it via wizard, and I ensure you that even uber-duper pros do that. No reason to risk and make yourself more work, when not necessary Mar 16 12:47:17 and when no reasons, only lusers attempt the hard way (tm) Mar 16 12:47:44 Estel_ exactly my worst nightmare. I'm very prone to typos. so after I install thumb-kp will it be set as default boot option by default (haha), or another step required for that? Mar 16 12:48:34 erm, installing kp, it just flashes itself. As for u-boot + kp, if you're using latest, you must set it yourself? ask Hurrian, I'm not u-boot user (yet) Mar 16 12:48:43 I just follow up on it's development and mechanics Mar 16 12:48:46 bennypr0fane, no need to worry about typos, if you do mess up, you can "--flash-only=kernel" and try again. Mar 16 12:49:00 Hurrian, good point Mar 16 12:49:27 Hurrian: only if bennypr0fane'S nand SYSTEM ISN'T A THOMBIFIED ONE Mar 16 12:49:39 wrong, why so Mar 16 12:49:41 dafaq, sorry capslock Mar 16 12:49:49 Whoopsies. Harmattan indocrination. Mar 16 12:50:16 ih he have kp installed, and kp modules/etc are in place, he can flash-only=kernel using kernel-power zimage Mar 16 12:51:07 to get kernel-power zimage, either abuse kernel-power-bootimage, or dpkg-deb -x kernel-power main package... Mar 16 12:51:09 So Hurrian, will the thumb-kp52 bootimg for U-boot set itself as default boot option in bottmenu? Maybe I should post a luser's step-by-step instruction (if someone hasn't already) Mar 16 12:51:10 bennypr0fane: making .item files for u-boot is easy though, and after installing kernel-power-bootimg, you have a nice template to follow. Mar 16 12:51:13 and take .fiasco file from it Mar 16 12:51:36 whoah, getting a bit overwhelmed there with instructions Mar 16 12:51:48 Hurrian, btw, as you know what you're talking about - I'm quite funny here, as I have multiboot installed, but never actually use it Mar 16 12:51:56 bennypr0fane: you may have to link KP52's .item file to /etc/default/bootmenu.item Mar 16 12:51:58 I planned to migrate into U-boot, for ages Mar 16 12:52:14 never had time to investigate as much as needed, how to migrate Mar 16 12:52:19 quick question: is Nand the same thing as eMMC? Mar 16 12:52:29 no, exactly not Mar 16 12:52:44 could you analyze my case :p and explain me how to properly migrate= without getting guru meditation? Mar 16 12:52:50 NAND is the 256MB where your default system lives on Mar 16 12:53:00 and i got this phone booting again Mar 16 12:53:09 eMMC is where /home and MyDocs live Mar 16 12:53:12 Estel_: Step 1, uninstall multiboot, and make sure preinit is stock. Mar 16 12:53:16 bennypr0fane, as long as it concerns you, it is the same. Technically not, NAND is 256 MB for root + 256 MB RAM Mar 16 12:53:16 so, i was asking myself a question Mar 16 12:53:21 eMMC is 32GB flash Mar 16 12:53:52 Hurrian, it is only one thing to worry after getting rid of multiboot? Mar 16 12:53:55 is it possible to make /usr a symlink to /home/opt/use? Mar 16 12:54:03 i.e. orphaned .item files won't confuse u-boot? Mar 16 12:54:16 because, obviously, /home mounts after / Mar 16 12:54:20 so NAND is one specific part (partition) of the eMMC? Mar 16 12:54:20 IIRC the item files are placed in /etc/bootmenu, not /etc/multiboot Mar 16 12:54:26 bennypr0fane, no Mar 16 12:54:32 physically, different chips Mar 16 12:54:37 wxcafe: nope Mar 16 12:54:40 Hurrian, ok Mar 16 12:54:43 DocScrutinizer05: :/ Mar 16 12:54:48 DocScrutinizer05: why not? Mar 16 12:54:53 wxcafe: that's what we got optification for Mar 16 12:55:01 ~optification Mar 16 12:55:01 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Mar 16 12:55:03 so, getting rid of multibot is first step, ensure that /etc/bootmenu is clean and preinit is stock Mar 16 12:55:06 DocScrutinizer05: i don't know of this magic Mar 16 12:55:21 eMMC is a name for this physical chip, yes? and NAND resides on a different one - the RAM chip? Mar 16 12:55:31 Estel_: exactly, then after that, do a plain install of u-boot and kp-bootimg. Mar 16 12:55:47 bennypr0fane, NAND use faster and more robust technology than eMMC, and lack hardware wear-leveling Mar 16 12:56:22 bennypr0fane: exactly Mar 16 12:56:23 Hurrian, I have kp-bootimage already, as it's required for multiboot. Should i reinstall it after u-boot installation? Mar 16 12:56:30 lot of noob questions, I know Mar 16 12:56:37 Estel_: check if it has an item file in /etc/bootmenu.d Mar 16 12:56:47 if it has one, then it should be fine. Mar 16 12:56:48 it will be my first contact with U-boot in practice, from theory only Mar 16 12:57:17 Estel_: for convenience's sake, you may want to link kp's .item to /etc/default/bootmenu.item Mar 16 12:57:32 bennypr0fane, in fact it is RAM sitting on NAND chip :P Mar 16 12:57:39 in fact, it's cpu chip Mar 16 12:57:45 SoC - system on a chip Mar 16 12:57:49 bennypr0fane: or simply put, in linux sysop speak: NAND is /dev/mtd while eMMC is /dev/mmcblk Mar 16 12:58:03 cpu, nand and ram on one chip Mar 16 12:58:19 and dsp and more things Mar 16 12:58:27 eMMC is "addition" to have space Mar 16 12:58:39