**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 19 02:59:58 2013 Mar 19 06:41:48 wow. things getting wild in cyprus Mar 19 07:47:38 hi Mar 19 09:10:26 so... you guys think its time to flash..when you get some sort of graphical glitch all over screen and the phone totally freze? Mar 19 09:13:35 silverhome: im aware that not be somthing worst... :/ Mar 19 09:13:55 silverhome: you oc your device? Mar 19 09:22:12 well i did oc a little before but havent done it anymore Mar 19 09:23:11 so i hope reflash will fix it xd otherwise maybe hardware problem ;( Mar 19 09:39:48 silverhome: if oc was not long time and after that system works without problems maybe is software issue only... Mar 19 09:44:40 well i hope it is hehe..otherwise you can buy me a new phone ;D Mar 19 09:44:45 /leave Mar 19 09:47:09 silverhome: if i won 1kk why not :p Mar 19 09:48:40 because there are no new N900 anymore Mar 19 09:48:55 hehe yeah ;( Mar 19 09:49:42 me want a modern n900 ;p with better stuff then the other phones today hehe Mar 19 09:50:50 and despite others constantly claiming "there *NEVAR* been *ANY* report of a single device broken because of OC" it is a _fact_ that OCing reduces lifespan of your SoC by factor 1000 to 100000 Mar 19 09:51:29 lies! Mar 19 09:51:34 lol hehe Mar 19 10:09:38 nothing better than n900 i think Mar 19 13:59:53 straw poll: Who is in favour of DocScrutinizer05 resigning from maemo administrator's position? I don't think he wants to listen to me anymore so can someone else put some sense into him? Mar 19 14:00:02 qwazix: ^^ what do you think? Mar 19 14:00:16 oh yeah! please! Mar 19 14:00:32 thedead1440: shouldn't this be brought up on TMO? Mar 19 14:00:35 DocScrutinizer05, why? Mar 19 14:00:37 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to unban estel, to get sufficent number of votes Mar 19 14:00:40 TO THE PITCHFORKS! Mar 19 14:00:58 Hurrian: no idea Mar 19 14:01:10 after all he is always here but not always on TMO Mar 19 14:01:11 what happened (again?) Mar 19 14:01:13 * RST38h glances at DocScrutinizer assertively, starts collecing firewood Mar 19 14:02:26 btw I didn't restrict my considerations to admin-manager position. Actually council feels just as a PITA position Mar 19 14:02:49 Tell me about it :) Mar 19 14:02:51 qwazix: he feels over-worked and over-loaded. Mar 19 14:03:11 thedead1440, I don't blame him, to speak the truth Mar 19 14:03:51 qwazix: so we let him resign? I don't think that's good especially with his JRTZV being always online for immediate action Mar 19 14:04:07 On the other hand resigning because one person said ***t about us is kind of... lame Mar 19 14:04:22 and this goes both to Woody and Doc Mar 19 14:04:48 Everybody just needs to relax. Mar 19 14:04:56 ^^^ That Mar 19 14:05:22 Take a few days off, disconnect your internet, clear your head. Mar 19 14:05:25 so then can someone kick Doc out of irc for a day or two to relax for real :D Mar 19 14:05:56 and ban him from tmo :) Mar 19 14:06:07 I'll do the tmo ban :D Mar 19 14:06:20 (or better, take tmo down altogether so that everybody relaxes) Mar 19 14:06:26 hehe Mar 19 14:07:02 Anyway, DocScrutinizer05 please, it's a couple of weeks left, let's finish this and we're out. Mar 19 14:07:16 that for sure won't do you a favour for your evil plans. Since not touching stressy stuff for a while makes motivation to ever touch it again go away completely Mar 19 14:07:53 evil plans??? Mar 19 14:08:00 !! Mar 19 14:08:03 qwazix: kicking him out and banning him ;) Mar 19 14:10:44 qwazix: nobody is stopping you to "finish this" Mar 19 14:11:42 DocScrutinizer05, I know but I can't do it by myself. Mar 19 14:11:59 At least the technical stuff Mar 19 14:12:33 Maybe we can have some people helping in monitoring the infra traffic etc to see if things have gone down. Currently he has all the graphs 24/7 open thinking he's the only one looking for shit hitting the fan Mar 19 14:13:20 DocScrutinizer05: you only watch ganglia and mtrg or anything else too? Mar 19 14:13:50 top on all boxen, usualy. virtman Mar 19 14:13:59 can't share this ;-P Mar 19 14:14:28 :D Mar 19 14:14:39 honestly monitoring isn't a problem, I even don't do it anymore 24/7 Mar 19 14:15:06 then what do you need people who share your work-load in? Mar 19 14:15:15 s/who/to/ Mar 19 14:15:15 thedead1440 meant: then what do you need people to share your work-load in? Mar 19 14:15:19 what's really too much is politics and this constant bickering of every troll and wise man you ever seen on maemo Mar 19 14:15:48 sigh then just ignore the politics; aren't qwazix and MT on Council enough to handle those? Mar 19 14:15:57 it's not about workload, it's about mood Mar 19 14:17:53 DocScrutinizer05, you just have to ignore them, nothing else Mar 19 14:17:54 banning one troll for spreading lies on IRC and when you think you're done you notice another "troll" doing exactly same on tmo. I'm not Justin Beaver and don't care about lies spread about me Mar 19 14:18:30 each such lie hurts me Mar 19 14:18:45 and I don't like to read any more of them Mar 19 14:19:03 I'm not replying to those threads not because I don't read them, but because there's no point in replying. We need to focus elsewhere Mar 19 14:21:19 qwazix: +1 Mar 19 14:22:05 DocScrutinizer05: politics on tmo is like a never-ending thing. It may pause for somewhile then resume again. If you entangle yourself in that mess it would distract you from everything else Mar 19 14:24:26 when i started engaging in maemo, i gave the public enough arguments they can bash me for, like being a grumpy old man, a frwak, whatever. You know all these. I don't mind since they are true. I don't want fools spreading lies about me in the "quality"/class of me posting /queries to drathir asking him to post some nonsense about gutus in this channel and I'd be so stupid that I send that to estel instead of drathir, but still start it Mar 19 14:24:27 with "dear Drathir...". I'm not an idiot. I also don't like somebody stating >>The one person continually saying he disagreed kept leaving the conversation before anyone could inform him of that fact. Mainly because he's got a stick up his àss over the names of things<< which again leaves me looking like an idiot and actually this statement already contains two lies about me Mar 19 14:25:01 ignoring all that would make me look like an idiot for the next 30 years Mar 19 14:25:12 * thedead1440 feels like closing that thread since its been decided that a BoD reelection would occur anyway Mar 19 14:25:28 +1 Mar 19 14:25:42 close and delete Mar 19 14:29:16 closed Mar 19 14:30:17 woody's post was troublesome in another way; he used accented "u"s in fuck to avoid the forum from converting his fuck to f***. After posting he reported his own post to ask someone to filter if appropriate. :D Mar 19 14:31:37 Somebody needs to install a vBulletin plugin to put a 30 second delay and a few "Are you sure about this?" dialogs on new posts. Mar 19 14:31:46 haha Mar 19 14:32:22 GeneralAntilles: something like the Gmail plugin whereby you do a maths problem before sending an email during certain hours to prove you aren't actually drunk Mar 19 14:32:58 I long ago made it a policy to go do something else before I post angry diatribes. Mar 19 14:33:08 Usually writing them up is sufficient to clear the irritation. :D Mar 19 14:33:18 hehe true Mar 19 14:33:51 Moo General Mar 19 14:33:59 Hey, RST38h. Mar 19 14:38:37 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders when the F*ing heck HiFo will approve jacekowsky and xes Mar 19 14:40:23 In all honesty what would the official approval do? They get a badge that they are approved? :p HiFo wouldn't know who's doing what anyway Mar 19 14:40:38 s/wouldn't/don't/ Mar 19 14:40:39 thedead1440 meant: In all honesty what would the official approval do? They get a badge that they are approved? :p HiFo don't know who's doing what anyway Mar 19 14:41:36 what been my quote on that, a few weeks ago? "Teacher, I need to go out for bathroom! Urgently!" Teacher:"Well, you know where to get the form to fill and sign, and where to hand it in for getting approved" Mar 19 14:42:05 lol was it that or the mother and eggs quote :p Mar 19 14:42:16 milk Mar 19 14:42:22 ah yes milk Mar 19 14:44:10 figure I had asked to get a "Go!" for the additional 4TB of HDD storage Mar 19 14:44:40 you would have got a "No!"? :p Mar 19 14:45:46 for sure not, since HiFo can't utter *any* answer without meeting. Just a "please hold the line.... Please hold the line..." Mar 19 14:45:57 lol Mar 19 14:46:10 be back in a couple of minutes Mar 19 14:46:52 and it seems not to agree on a new date for having a meeting, they need to have a meeting to decide on that Mar 19 14:47:04 s/not7now/ Mar 19 14:47:14 and it seems now to agree on a new date for having a meeting, they need to have a meeting to decide on that Mar 19 14:48:50 leaving me in a pinch with all the responsibilty for all that shit, and any imaginable option to blame me for whatever later on Mar 19 14:49:46 woody laready implied I had ignored HiFo for the higher goal of keeping maemo alive, which isn't true Mar 19 14:51:24 I don't break rules, I maybe bend them if nothing else helps. Not in this case though. HiFo simply didn't ever state that servers shouldn't get installed at IPHH, rather they were fully aware of the time map Mar 19 14:52:32 so after server arrived at IPHH - with full acknowledgment of HiFo - warfare installed it. what else? Mar 19 14:54:00 woody implied we (techstaff) did that in disregard of HiFo instructions. that's again an insult and lie which I'm fed up to read about Mar 19 15:02:44 From: nagios@monitor.maemo.org To: maemo-infra-monitor@reisenweber.net Date: 2013-03-19 15:56 ////***** Icinga **** *Notification Type: PROBLEM Service: Disk Host: blade-a.maemo.org Address: 213.128.137.4 State: UNKNOWN Date/Time: Tue Mar 19 15:56:24 CET 2013 Additional Info :Remote command execution failed: ssh: connect to host 213.128.137.4 port 22: Connection refused Mar 19 15:03:43 hmm icinga is up though Mar 19 15:03:57 sure, blade-a seems up too Mar 19 15:04:03 yeah Mar 19 15:04:24 but www had another scary spice Mar 19 15:05:07 http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1363705478&g=load_report&z=large&c=maemo Mar 19 15:05:19 yeah just saw it Mar 19 15:05:46 it had that excess load at the same time icinga reported blade-a is down Mar 19 15:05:54 http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1363705509&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo Mar 19 15:07:53 haha: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1330062&postcount=112 Mar 19 15:08:16 LOL Mar 19 15:10:37 but you removed the donation link so did this guy just wake up from his slumber to donate? :p Mar 19 15:12:56 http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ 2nd and 3rd row are really creative bookkeeping Mar 19 15:15:37 lol what about the rest. only 2174 transferred out from the total pot of 4676 Mar 19 15:40:02 Hi all Mar 19 15:40:30 does anybody have an alternative link on Maemo 5 SDK Virtual Image? Mar 19 15:40:53 ~skeiron Mar 19 15:40:54 it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 19 15:40:58 Mitrandir: ^^^ Mar 19 15:41:23 the exact page for the images: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ Mar 19 15:41:29 Wow, thanks a lot Mar 19 15:41:36 np Mar 19 15:42:17 * sixwheeledbeast thinks thedead1440 is on fire today :) Mar 19 15:42:35 sixwheeledbeast: hehe lol Mar 19 16:34:49 qwazix, where are the council meeting minutes going up? Mar 19 16:35:09 Last post on http://maemo.org/community/council/ is from December. Mar 19 16:35:29 Usually MentalistTraceur posts them up on tmo in the community thread as the login to midgard was broken Mar 19 16:35:36 Ah, OK. Mar 19 18:10:55 ~ping Mar 19 18:10:56 ~pong Mar 19 18:28:49 sixwheeledbeast: how do you feel about doing some testing of web upload? Mar 19 18:29:27 ok but I got no more packages to offer up Mar 19 18:30:10 you can just upload the same Mar 19 18:31:22 will it still build? Mar 19 18:31:29 yes Mar 19 18:31:35 i can stop builder for a moment Mar 19 18:32:40 * sixwheeledbeast is loading VBox... Mar 19 18:50:12 jacekowski: ready? I have got a fresh package that I was working on a while ago. Mar 19 18:51:08 go for it Mar 19 18:52:02 bander 0.0.1? Mar 19 18:52:24 bugtrackers missing and maemo-icon but it should build. Mar 19 18:52:27 yep bander Mar 19 18:53:36 its only a 4 band resistor calculator at the moment Mar 19 18:53:55 hmmm Mar 19 18:53:58 /var/lib/extras-assistant/bin/copy_package_files_to_autobuilder.sh: 25: [: fremantle: unexpected operator Mar 19 18:54:09 and line 25 is if [ $DISTRO == "chinook" ]; Mar 19 18:56:06 ahm ok Mar 19 18:56:09 found the problem Mar 19 18:57:30 can you try again? Mar 19 18:57:38 sure Mar 19 18:58:26 jacekowski: done Mar 19 18:59:40 it looks like it's there Mar 19 19:00:03 do you want me to delete from the queue? Mar 19 19:00:21 yep Mar 19 19:00:35 I'll fix the bits and upload it later Mar 19 19:00:46 jacekowski:^^^ Mar 19 19:02:02 great Mar 19 19:02:33 jacekowski: going afk for a bit, will upload it later with the web iface and let you know. Mar 19 19:18:34 anyone familiar with scratchbox configuration for diablo? Mar 19 20:13:32 Quick question everyone Mar 19 20:13:55 In C, suppose I printf'd a line bla1234 Mar 19 20:14:15 And I want to printf something between the bla and 123 Mar 19 20:14:40 i.e. go back 3 chars Mar 19 20:14:59 Is that possible? (Without clearing and reprintfing?) Mar 19 20:15:14 no Mar 19 20:15:32 this has nothing to do with c but has everything to do with your console driver Mar 19 20:16:08 I'm asking for a friend, but he's using cmd so... Mar 19 20:16:11 so, yeah, SOMETIMES you can do "b l a 1 2 3 LEFT LEFT LEFT INSERT ..." Mar 19 20:16:23 in general, you are fucked though Mar 19 20:16:44 not all terminals can "insert". normally you keep track of what you need to print in your program before it gets dumped to the terminal. Mar 19 20:16:46 so, tell your friend to print the whole thing at once Mar 19 20:16:58 not all terminals can even do "left" Mar 19 20:17:38 that is true, most can however... If your terminal is a real teleterminaltype... you can't even erase... Mar 19 20:19:39 I pasted the convo and he gave up on doing what he wanted to do :P Mar 19 20:20:00 what *did* he want to do? Mar 19 20:20:05 Apparently he wanted something like Mar 19 20:20:14 1. Option one Mar 19 20:20:18 2. Option two Mar 19 20:20:23 3. Option three Mar 19 20:20:44 And if the user types 2 (read with scan ()) Mar 19 20:20:46 i mean, a word processor you can insert, it's fairly common to do this... but you need to redraw. Mar 19 20:20:51 It adds an arrow or something Mar 19 20:21:32 if the terminal supports ANSI you can just go back up there and print the line over again. Mar 19 20:21:32 (scanf() (?)) Mar 19 20:21:44 Command prompt on windows Mar 19 20:22:09 Mohammad: He can do it with CURSES Mar 19 20:22:26 Thats a library Mar 19 20:22:31 ok, he can do with SLANG too...heh Mar 19 20:22:31 Mohammad: But I suggest reprinting the whole list every time a choice is made, with the arrow at the current choice Mar 19 20:22:34 His project forbids those :p Mar 19 20:22:54 just redraw, easy enough Mar 19 20:22:59 Mohammad: it is ok, a lot of command-line based programs do just that - always reprint the whole list of choices Mar 19 20:23:29 Mohammad: To make it fancier, print CLS (ascii code 0x0C) at the beginning Mar 19 20:23:30 make a function that prints the choices and takes an arg for which one to highlight/modify and call it again after the user selected a choice Mar 19 20:24:27 and yes, clear the screen before printing the menu so it seems like it was modified versus redrawn :D Mar 19 20:24:56 this slight of hand happens all the time, ever played computer games? :D Mar 19 20:26:53 I doubt they redraw :P Mar 19 20:27:05 they do. you just don't see it Mar 19 20:27:25 Isn't there something called damage control or something? Mar 19 20:27:35 Drawing only what changed Mar 19 20:28:18 ssvb: hmm, it seems pixman 0.29.2 is the way to go, it is faster on every benchmark so far, excluding some exotics like add_n_8_2x10. And gradient ofc Mar 19 20:28:48 in the ideal world that's what you do. But if you have to deal with lighting, reflections, etc. it gets hard. Mar 19 20:29:00 I guess I can try to revert gradient to use integer math Mar 19 20:29:32 ssvb: how do you think, will upstream devs want to help? Mar 19 20:31:37 freemangordon: in fact it, the performance of gradients is about to get worse - http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pixman/2013-March/002692.html Mar 19 20:37:12 ssvb: I see :(. However, I guess that can be reverted to integer only math. Mar 19 20:37:57 ssvb: though doing everything in FP might actually improve performance Mar 19 20:38:15 freemangordon: yes, as long as it is done with NEON Mar 19 20:38:17 as now there are countles FP<->INT conversions Mar 19 20:38:25 *countless Mar 19 20:39:01 ssvb: hmm, why NEON? Mar 19 20:39:21 because unlike VFPLite it is pipelined Mar 19 20:39:23 VFP (issued by gcc) should do the job too IIUC Mar 19 20:39:53 [20:39] VFP (issued by gcc) shoul Mar 19 20:39:55 what Mar 19 20:40:03 how did i copy that Mar 19 20:40:04 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1536586/N900/nakedbooties/DSC00846.JPG Mar 19 20:40:10 that's what i wanted to paste. sorry about that Mar 19 20:40:21 RiD :) Mar 19 20:41:13 ssvb: I hope gcc 4.2.1 will be able to optimize FP code Mar 19 20:41:20 so, i've been using my n900 with broken USB for a long time... Mar 19 20:41:37 mipo said his fix was fatal.. so i'm worried Mar 19 20:41:59 ssvb: otherwise cssu-thumb with 4.7.2 remains the only option :) Mar 19 20:42:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 is that one correct? Mar 19 20:43:54 or does it have the same mistake as of mipoo stated in his threat, and therefore could damage my device? yeah, i'm not good at this Mar 19 20:43:57 thread* Mar 19 20:50:54 ssvb: hmm, that gradient patch uses floats, not doubles, I am almost sure it will lead to way better performance than current Mar 19 21:22:53 jacekowski: just tried uploading "bander" again and nothings happened? Mar 19 21:24:18 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Mar 19 21:24:20 ? Mar 19 21:24:33 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/bander_0.0.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Mar 19 21:24:35 this happened Mar 19 21:34:09 mmm, ta. not getting any e-mails for any builds either. even the scp ones. Mar 19 21:40:14 mmm...armel was fine but not i386, never had that before. Mar 19 22:01:00 sixwheeledbeast: i've just found another issue with autobuilder Mar 19 22:01:14 oh... Mar 19 22:01:35 the log from my last attempt was odd Mar 19 22:01:58 yep Mar 19 22:02:02 permissions issue Mar 19 22:02:11 ah I wait a bit then Mar 19 22:02:22 it's failing to copy stuff and update results folder Mar 19 22:02:28 so buildme is copying back old results Mar 19 22:07:25 sixwheeledbeast: you can upload again Mar 19 22:08:23 jacekowski: done Mar 19 22:08:27 wait Mar 19 22:08:28 ahm Mar 19 22:08:29 ok Mar 19 22:08:48 wait..what? Mar 19 22:09:07 :P Mar 19 22:11:56 how long does it take to build? Mar 19 22:13:33 i386 build failed Mar 19 22:13:38 hmm Mar 19 22:14:24 I dunno if that's my package or what. I am not sure how to fix. Mar 19 22:16:10 must be, it's not liking the about dialog page for some reason. Mar 19 22:19:04 disable i386 build? Mar 19 22:19:08 nobody is using it anyways Mar 19 22:25:16 not sure how Mar 19 23:16:00 I don't get it I can build i386 in scratchbox fine... Mar 19 23:16:40 i'll look at it tomorrow Mar 19 23:17:53 ok, I am off to bed soon so I'll leave it for now too. Mar 19 23:35:06 hi Mar 20 00:05:59 hi Mar 20 00:13:31 Drathir: ho Mar 20 00:14:41 Wrong checksum during receive of 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/w/wide-dhcpv6/wide-dhcpv6-client_20080615-11.1maemo1_armel.deb' Mar 20 00:14:58 also wide-dhcpv6-relay and wide-dhcpv6-server Mar 20 00:15:00 what where when? Mar 20 00:15:33 jacekowski, Mar 20 00:15:42 md5 expected: 0a0fd6406f9f9eb1aee0e7172871cb91, got: 257e4779510df16e93b91313ba1b0314 Mar 20 00:15:42 sha1 expected: 53f4df456b4093dc5a8c159c1a4bf5afb5a9ba56, got: e1d4a299432b09212ea40119f71023f2d84560e2 Mar 20 00:15:42 sha256 expected: 0f1b867680313b9a16177f0660bbc020cc02a40efc863effc7bf3976503503d8, got: e7a1f789aefa4ecdf7fb16523f772a477221d98b5ce0f84b52e40b2c18850e6e Mar 20 00:15:42 size expected: 98066, got: 98076 Mar 20 00:17:52 ffs Mar 20 00:25:43 ahh Mar 20 00:26:13 that explains some things Mar 20 00:27:30 ehh ? Mar 20 00:29:35 apt-ftpmirror has problems with same versions Mar 20 00:38:00 rlinfati: everything should be ok in ~hour Mar 20 00:39:10 thanks Mar 20 00:47:18 btw pacserve is great things... Mar 20 01:11:52 go figure Mar 20 01:11:53 2013 Mar 20 01:12:02 and a "supported sane scanner" Mar 20 01:12:04 doesn't work lol Mar 20 01:12:11 GO LINUX! :) Mar 20 01:17:08 usb host mode? Mar 20 01:32:01 6 Mar 20 01:32:42 fail sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 20 02:59:58 2013