**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 02:59:59 2013 Mar 25 07:57:15 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/25/nokia_not_a_google_fan/ Mar 25 08:54:07 freemangordon; benchmarking samsung 32g usd pro, same product line as your card Mar 25 08:54:30 200-ish iops random, for a limited amount of time Mar 25 08:54:51 after that it needs a seqwrite to get performance back Mar 25 08:55:21 Interestingly, the seqwrite in places runs as slow as 300kbyte/s (after randomwrite torture) Mar 25 08:55:54 and 12M (might be limit of sheevaplug) write on "clean" card Mar 25 08:56:32 it's interesting because it exhibits first-gen ssd type behaviours :-) Mar 25 09:17:36 anybody has procps with cssu installed? I try, but they block each other Mar 25 10:22:37 So uh, where is my sources.list supposed to point to these days? Mar 25 10:41:28 what is the current address of the dev repo? Mar 25 10:41:52 I have: Mar 25 10:41:53 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free Mar 25 10:42:04 Is this still correct? Mar 25 10:42:25 i think so Mar 25 10:42:30 mmmm Mar 25 10:42:40 Then why no modrana update for me? Mar 25 10:46:27 fremantle-1.3 should be fremantle. Mar 25 10:56:18 oh -1.3 was only in non-devel non-testing Mar 25 11:08:55 ShadowJK: except there's no TRIM :( Mar 25 11:09:30 Yes, well, they're too stupid for that Mar 25 11:10:02 and on the other side of the, scale we have intel's 3700 ssd that runs same speed always, trim or no trim Mar 25 11:10:22 also, couldn't we try to put some silly FS on a sd? Mar 25 11:11:05 you mean like f2fs? Mar 25 11:11:34 * ShadowJK heard somewhere that swap files/partitions have a solidstate flage now Mar 25 11:11:39 ooh i didn't know that Mar 25 11:11:53 I bet it does something very stupid on non-ssd. Mar 25 11:15:22 hehe Mar 25 11:15:43 probably trying its best to do sequential writes, and doing "manual" garbage collection Mar 25 11:16:06 i think that writing zeros sequentially on the n900's emmc is really, really fast Mar 25 11:16:59 nah I suspect it treats it like a ssd and writes randomly all over :P Mar 25 11:17:40 hm Mar 25 11:17:52 that's not what our "solid state" drives do Mar 25 11:17:59 they kinda suck at random writes Mar 25 11:18:04 and sequential writes Mar 25 11:18:07 and seeking Mar 25 11:18:18 ._. Mar 25 11:18:25 Everywhere in kernel, solidstate usually means it acts like ram Mar 25 11:18:56 ShadowJK: make us a ram-based uSD! :( Mar 25 11:25:04 Does anyone know anything about the Modrana map source configuration file? Mar 25 11:25:21 Specifically how to supply parameters to URLs? Mar 25 11:25:47 I want to use this map: Mar 25 11:25:48 protocol="http" host="ecn.t1.tiles.virtualearth.net" path="/tiles/r{quadIndex}.png" query="g=41&productSet=mmOS" Mar 25 11:26:17 Except modrana provides no method to supply the parameters: g=41&productSet=mmOS Mar 25 11:47:53 DocScrutinizer05: infobot dead Mar 25 12:36:46 kerio: I've been wanting that for a while. at least a partial ram based SD. say 24g flash, 2 ram Mar 25 12:40:07 Not going to happen. Mar 25 12:40:13 Who would buy such a thing? Mar 25 12:40:18 me. Mar 25 12:40:20 n900 owners! Mar 25 12:40:27 Aside from a small subset of n900 owners! Mar 25 12:40:42 oh, I know the issues Mar 25 12:41:12 Don't get me wrong, I would buy 1 in around 0.002uS. Mar 25 12:48:31 though of course, the dearth of new devices with a microsd,.. Mar 25 14:48:50 The fanciest new (u)SDs consists of SLC cache and TLC bulk storage Mar 25 14:49:04 on this samsung card, the SLC part seems pretty huge Mar 25 14:52:42 dang netsplits Mar 25 14:52:56 thedead1440: thanks Mar 25 14:53:51 np good to see you take a break from IRC for a day :D Mar 25 14:54:01 sick Mar 25 14:54:21 oh rest then Mar 25 14:55:19 [2013-03-25 00:20:34] <-- infobot has left this server (*.net *.split). Mar 25 14:55:54 ~+chaninfo Mar 25 14:55:54 124/124 channels, 4930 users, 3576 unique: #debian/1269, #kde/402, #gsoc/252, #maemo/240, #asterisk/183, #oe/143, #wowuidev/141, #harmattan/129, #meego/129, #arm-netbook/127, #wowace/107, #cubieboard/104, #webos-internals/94, #wowhead/81, #openmoko/78, #utah/77, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #tomcat/63, #bzflag/62, #edev/60, #maemo-ssu/57, #asterisk-dev/53, #htc-linux/52, #uclibc/52, #sc2mapster/49, #n9/48, #curseforge/41, #elinux/35, #/34, #gllug/33, ... Mar 25 14:56:04 ~+status Mar 25 14:56:05 Since Mon Mar 25 14:52:24 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 3m 40s this session, and currently reference 119004 factoids. I'm using about 18508 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.15/0.14 child 0.01/0 Mar 25 14:56:42 oh there is a #meego channel; i wonder what's up in it Mar 25 14:57:33 heh, not much Mar 25 14:59:23 ah, was wondering that; there is one for mer and nemo so what purpose meego serves then :D Mar 25 15:08:37 well, check chanlogs ;-P Mar 25 15:15:23 DocScrutinizer05: hehe it is competing with #n9 for most dead chan :D Mar 25 15:16:28 well, even #harmattan had scaring dead times recently Mar 25 15:16:39 >1 days without any msg Mar 25 15:16:46 yeah true Mar 25 15:17:09 but now that i'm there i'll keep it noisy :D :D Mar 25 15:17:54 you lifted a N950 somewhere? Mar 25 15:17:57 ;-P Mar 25 15:19:10 haha no; i just have a big mouth in general :D Mar 25 15:39:30 hi Mar 25 16:02:03 ivgalvez: hi; been a long time; hope all is fine and tidy :) Mar 25 16:02:20 Thanks Mar 25 16:02:24 glad to see you Mar 25 16:02:35 well I'm freezing to death here Mar 25 16:02:42 in ireland? Mar 25 16:03:10 yep Mar 25 16:03:31 and the apartment that I rented doesn't have a very good heating system Mar 25 16:03:38 ouch Mar 25 16:03:54 but I'm starting to have everything under control now Mar 25 16:04:12 ah that's good Mar 25 16:04:57 I've been reading some of the latest drama Mar 25 16:05:13 its the daily soap of maemo as usual :D Mar 25 16:05:16 haha Mar 25 16:05:18 yep Mar 25 16:07:06 at least DocScrutinizer05 chose to resume being maemo-administrator. for the remaining things; meh people will be tired eventually :D Mar 25 16:08:05 are you mainatining scratchbox.org? Mar 25 16:08:22 the VM on maemo yes but the domain i've no news Mar 25 16:08:41 i've sent like ~5 reminders to Jussi (spelling?) but no reply :( Mar 25 16:08:41 do you have Jussy's email? Mar 25 16:08:50 he's owner of the domain Mar 25 16:09:31 yeah i've asked him if he could point it to our infra or anything he suggests as well as giving him maintainer-ship account on the new VM if he wants but he simply isn't replying Mar 25 16:10:06 well, he might be busy, keep pushing!! Mar 25 16:10:15 hehe sure Mar 25 16:12:57 lol Mar 25 16:15:23 mmm, I'm trying to upgrade some packages and I keep receiving a corrupted tar files, applications with 0Kb size... Mar 25 16:15:29 I think the repo is borked Mar 25 16:21:35 ivgalvez: which packages? report it to jacekowski or DocScrutinizer05 Mar 25 16:22:26 me? Mar 25 16:22:39 merlin1991 is repo meintainer Mar 25 16:23:02 I'm still checking, but I had problems with latest cutetube, modrana, gpsp... maybe it's something in my package database Mar 25 16:23:24 Hi DocScrutinizer05 Mar 25 16:23:28 nice to see you Mar 25 16:23:40 nah, I think somebody ran a job on repo which borked several packages again Mar 25 16:23:58 hi ivgalvez, nice to see you too Mar 25 16:24:42 Yay. Ivgalvez is here. :) Things going well on your end I hope? :) Mar 25 16:24:43 or they are still legacy errors from migration nokia->nemein, or even older Mar 25 16:25:11 Hi Woody14219 Mar 25 16:25:22 everything OK Mar 25 16:25:24 * Woody14619 wonders how many automated scripts are still out there borking things. Mar 25 16:25:40 except for upgrading packages Mar 25 16:25:43 error on multiple packages with "dpkg error ... corrupted filesyste tarfile - corrupted package archive" Mar 25 16:25:45 May need to call for a cleanout (or at least full review) of all things cron/atd Mar 25 16:27:58 I think some rsync done back in 2012 went terribly wrong, and nobody checked the errors it threw Mar 25 16:28:35 modrana is recent, though Mar 25 16:28:43 mhm, good info Mar 25 16:28:53 all recent upgrades from today/yesterday Mar 25 16:29:04 i upgraded cutetube only yesterday w/o issues Mar 25 16:29:11 pester merlin1991 about it, who in turn might pester jacekowsky or whomever Mar 25 16:29:27 Cutetube, openmediaplayer, modrana gone for good after the error in installation Mar 25 16:29:44 I stopped close surveillance and coordination of everything I come across Mar 25 16:30:02 maybe something changed today? the first 2 i upgraded yesterday fine while i don't have modrana personally Mar 25 16:30:41 ivgalvez: try installing/upgrading them individually maybe? it may help to narrow down to whether all are borked or only one... Mar 25 16:30:46 ivgalvez: In a pinch, MartinK has his own repo setup for modrana. Mar 25 16:31:03 He set it up while the repos were down, and still updates it AFAIK. Mar 25 16:31:11 nope, any package I try to install from repositories end up with the same error Mar 25 16:31:16 thedead1440: ask for changes done today then. You know where, and whom to ask. While I just had to bitch about missing coordination if actually something changed today Mar 25 16:32:05 can anyone try to install one recent application from repo and chek if it installs OK? but do it with something that you can live without Mar 25 16:32:33 * Woody14619 will attempt to update modrana... one sec Mar 25 16:33:33 need to do an update... Changed it to manual a while back, so out of date here. Mar 25 16:33:49 BM! Mar 25 16:36:27 hmm i just purged cutetube and tried installing it; installation went fine w/o errors Mar 25 16:36:29 crap.. modtrana wants to pull half the universe with it. Apparently beena while since I updated it. Mar 25 16:36:54 be careful Mar 25 16:36:59 Woody14619: hehe i saw and skipped installing it for the same reason too :D Mar 25 16:37:13 yeah... I'm installing cutetube now. :) Mar 25 16:37:33 I have broken all the packages that I have downloaded Mar 25 16:37:43 Or not.. crap. It wants the universe too.. :P Mar 25 16:37:48 What was the third one? Mar 25 16:37:58 openmediaplayer Mar 25 16:38:26 to me it happens with ANY package Mar 25 16:38:40 I think I have broken the system for good now Mar 25 16:38:50 check your free space? Mar 25 16:39:01 more than enough Mar 25 16:39:30 hmmm... I had a similar thing once when syslog ate my drive without me realizing it. Mar 25 16:40:06 am updating ffmpeg right now, since that's the heart of cutetube updates I think. Seems to be going fine... Mar 25 16:41:04 are you pointing to the right place? What IP do you get when you ping repos.maemo.org? Mar 25 16:41:19 ivgalvez: maybe remove the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists and then do a proper update? Mar 25 16:41:57 NEVER remove anything, rename instead! Mar 25 16:42:13 and do a BM backup!! Mar 25 16:42:24 DocScrutinizer05: those are package lists for repos Mar 25 16:43:25 at this moment the backup is useless, so no one has problems with repos? Mar 25 16:45:19 I have a BM backup from yesterday, thus my willingness to try it. :) Mar 25 16:48:05 cutetube install seems to have gone fine? It whines about some qt package issues (old depenancies conflicting) but packages are good. Mar 25 16:52:23 nah, then is my device Mar 25 16:52:31 restoring with BM now Mar 25 17:02:32 can anyone paste me the links for flasher and firmware images? I don't have my main computer with me Mar 25 17:04:38 maemo.jacekowski.org Mar 25 17:04:57 ivgalvez: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/ binary/firmware/ (not sure if the full link should be posted) Mar 25 17:05:05 anyone glib here? does it make sense to check boxed type before calling g_boxed_free? Is that even possible (getting the type from a pointer to boxed object)? Mar 25 17:09:09 thanks kerio Mar 25 17:09:35 there's probably a more "official" place, but that one's just convenient :) Mar 25 17:13:06 do you know where can I download flasher for Windows? Mar 25 17:13:12 ivgalvez: ~skeiron Mar 25 17:13:17 I only have Windows here :/ Mar 25 17:13:20 ivgalvez: debian.org Mar 25 17:13:21 ~skeiron Mar 25 17:13:22 methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 Mar 25 17:14:58 Maemo 5 for Nokia N900 -> Command line flasher binaries are available here. Mar 25 17:15:50 seems Nokia and HiFo missed completely to take care about this and nearby content Mar 25 17:16:18 and community missed to point HiFo to it? Mar 25 17:19:16 thanks DocScrutinizer05 Mar 25 17:19:36 I have to download everything again as I don't have my main computer here in Dublin Mar 25 17:21:04 ivgalvez: Mar 25 17:21:07 ~pr131 Mar 25 17:21:07 rumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 25 17:24:01 ivgalvez: ^^^ will save you SSU upgrade Pr1.3->Pr1.3.1 Mar 25 17:24:11 DocScrutinizer05: with the same VANILLA? Mar 25 17:24:14 hello there :) Mar 25 17:24:16 yep Mar 25 17:24:32 vanilla hasn't changed since... err... 1.1? Mar 25 17:24:40 thanks Mar 25 17:25:09 i am having issues with my glorioous n900 already installed the 1.3 community edition of maemo and everything, but i cannot get any twitter client or anything social working on my phone Mar 25 17:25:17 but BM worked as a charm, God bless Robbie1st Mar 25 17:27:21 indeed Mar 25 17:27:42 BM for all time most useful app ever Mar 25 17:30:55 I'd vote for CSSU including BM to core apps mandatory on every device (it already is mandatory for CSSU anyway;-D ), and HiFo donating a special award to robbiethe1st Mar 25 17:32:40 wait, council is the entity to donate any award, HiFo is just the entity to finance it ;-) Mar 25 17:34:36 Actually, Robbiethe1st did get a CA award, for just this reason. He was one of like 3 that were in the "duh" catagory for getting one. ;) Mar 25 17:37:40 may I ask what that award been? Mar 25 17:40:17 I'd think we should donate a (spare) N900 to robbiethe1st Mar 25 17:41:12 just to keep him doing service for BM, even in case his primary N900 breaks or gets lost Mar 25 19:02:02 What's falk's username on maemo.org? Mar 25 19:37:58 hmm Mar 25 19:38:12 warfare? Mar 25 19:38:15 falk? Mar 25 19:38:21 falkstern? Mar 25 19:38:36 warfare: ^^^ Mar 25 19:40:46 IRC(freenode): warfare Mar 25 19:40:48 IRC(ircnet): falk Mar 25 19:40:50 talk.maemo.org: fstern Mar 25 19:40:51 garage.maemo.org: fstern Mar 25 19:41:09 GeneralAntilles: ^^^ Mar 25 19:42:15 stalker! Mar 25 20:22:30 if googling falk stern is stalking, then yes Mar 25 20:22:58 google for xing as well, while you're at it Mar 25 20:34:07 NIN101: what's the version of ubimkvol in rescueos 1.0? Mar 25 20:37:38 NIN101: would you mind me edit your rescueOS readme? Mar 25 20:38:06 ah this is crap, there's no mkfs.ubifs Mar 25 20:39:45 NIN101: there's no mkfs.ubifs! Mar 25 20:46:46 NIN101: where the hell did you get these ubiutils from Mar 25 20:53:34 DocScrutinizer05: go ahead. Mar 25 20:54:05 kerio: may come in the next version... Mar 25 20:54:17 well i barely rescued my rootfs :( Mar 25 20:56:22 NIN101: it's in mtd-utils Mar 25 20:58:01 yeah, it'll come in the next version... Mar 25 20:58:08 why is there no help, dammit Mar 25 20:58:12 :( Mar 25 21:01:15 kerio: as long as there's a wget ;-) Mar 25 21:01:56 NIN101: I "mirrored" your stuff on maemo-cloud-7.de Mar 25 21:02:49 can someone check what's the Volume ID reported by `ubinfo -a` for rootfs? Mar 25 21:03:07 or, if possible, pastebin the output of `ubinfo -a` Mar 25 21:06:46 I am trying to update mp-fremantle-community-pr but apt keeps complaining that I need to update upstart and rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait! wtf. I already have the latest upstart? Mar 25 21:06:47 ?? Mar 25 21:06:48 ? Mar 25 21:06:58 well apparently not? Mar 25 21:08:52 kerio: sorry, no ubinfo anywhere atm. Mar 25 21:09:06 DocScrutinizer05: What exactly do you want to do :-)? Mar 25 21:09:18 augment it a bit Mar 25 21:09:24 NIN101: sudo apt-get install mtd-utils Mar 25 21:09:28 I think it's too terse Mar 25 21:09:30 it's in extras-devel Mar 25 21:10:19 http://privatepaste.com/cc2ab35a83 Mar 25 21:11:01 <3 Mar 25 21:11:12 :) Mar 25 21:12:01 meh, i suppose that it's ok how i made it Mar 25 21:12:07 i'm leaving 34 eraseblocks "free" Mar 25 21:12:17 i don't know how ubi handles bad physical eraseblocks Mar 25 21:12:24 i have one of those :( Mar 25 21:13:22 it marks it as bad (by a bitpattern that's supposed to get recognized even on partially bad blocks afaik), and allocates a spare block from the free ones Mar 25 21:13:46 so the read/write address is automatically translated? neat Mar 25 21:14:00 afaik yes Mar 25 21:14:28 what are you doing kerio? Mar 25 21:14:37 vi_: disabled compression on rootfs Mar 25 21:14:48 it feels a bit snappier but i don't know if it's wishful thinking/confirmation bias Mar 25 21:16:01 probably a very poor choice Mar 25 21:16:26 why? Mar 25 21:16:44 IroN900:~# du -hxs / Mar 25 21:16:45 323M / Mar 25 21:17:01 user@kerio900:~$ sudo du -hsx / Mar 25 21:17:01 196.9M / Mar 25 21:17:12 so... Mar 25 21:17:13 yeah Mar 25 21:17:45 IroN900:~# df -h / Mar 25 21:17:46 Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf Mar 25 21:17:47 ubi0:rootfs 228M 168M 57M 75% / Mar 25 21:18:11 ubi0:rootfs 224M 180M 40M 82% / Mar 25 21:18:20 quite comparable, really :) Mar 25 21:19:32 a lot comes from locale-archive Mar 25 21:19:33 i think Mar 25 21:22:02 oh, and the browser Mar 25 21:22:10 which then shows scrollbars in Conversations :s Mar 25 23:17:35 ~seen martink Mar 25 23:17:38 vi_: i haven't seen 'martink' Mar 25 23:18:31 ~seen my own dick in years Mar 25 23:18:32 i haven't seen 'my own dick in years', vi_ Mar 25 23:19:12 ~flagilate infobot Mar 25 23:19:38 ~seen wikiwide Mar 25 23:19:39 vi_: i haven't seen 'wikiwide' Mar 25 23:19:59 ~smite infobot Mar 25 23:20:00 * infobot wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves infobot from crown to sole. Mar 25 23:56:10 ~seen vi* Mar 25 23:56:13 i haven't seen 'vi*', DocScrutinizer05 Mar 25 23:56:18 :-S Mar 25 23:57:15 ~seen vi__ Mar 25 23:57:16 vi__ <~Thunderbi@proxy.ei-info.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 11h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'There is also a profile built into the gui.'. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 26 02:59:58 2013