**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 02:59:58 2013 Mar 28 10:49:29 Pali: seems there are sane guys on the kernel ML after all :) Mar 28 10:49:57 I read mails **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:23:01 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 28 11:31:15 2013 Mar 28 12:22:24 What is the law in Germany WRT to running diesel cars on vegetable oil? Mar 28 12:23:54 As long as your car can handle it, there should be no problem. Mar 28 12:25:08 are olives a vegetable? Mar 28 12:25:12 You do not have to pay tax or something? Mar 28 12:25:20 kerio: olive is a fruit. Mar 28 12:25:37 good point Mar 28 12:25:40 just like tomatos Mar 28 12:25:52 vi__: Nope. Rapeseed Oil isn't mineral oil, so you don't have to pay tax. Mar 28 12:26:13 http://www.poeler.net/modules.php?name=Tankstation has a list of rapeseed fuel stations. Mar 28 12:26:33 Wait, what. Mar 28 12:26:43 You have actual veg oil filling stations?? Mar 28 12:27:14 Yep. And it has the lower VAT of 7% instead of 19%. Mar 28 12:27:40 Well shit. Mar 28 12:27:52 So how much is 1l of veg oil in Germany? Mar 28 12:28:01 around 65 cents? Mar 28 12:28:06 ???!!!! Mar 28 12:28:08 !!! Mar 28 12:28:09 ! Mar 28 12:28:10 !!! Mar 28 12:28:18 WTF Mar 28 12:28:22 how?? Mar 28 12:28:35 This stuff grows everywhere? Mar 28 12:29:03 In the UK it is generally around 1.18 euro and only if you find a special deal. Mar 28 12:29:56 We get shafted from every direction over here. Mar 28 12:30:18 Oh, sorry, current price is 82 cents/l Mar 28 12:30:36 Diesel is at around 1,40€/l Mar 28 12:30:37 Cost of living goes up up up, wages remain static :| Mar 28 12:31:15 Diesel is 1.71 euro here. Mar 28 12:32:09 We all need energy to live our lives and private companies have us by the balls. Mar 28 12:33:36 my next central heating gets some panels on the roof and photovoltaics. Mar 28 12:33:54 Yeah. Paint your roof black as well. Mar 28 12:35:33 * kerio laughs at people trying to keep their house /warmer/ Mar 28 12:36:02 kerio: it is 8deg in my bedroom. Mar 28 12:36:11 I need all the heat I can get. Mar 28 12:36:14 * warfare had below zero for the last few weeks outside. Mar 28 12:36:39 It has been below zero for a week or so now, I meant 8deg INSIDE the house. Mar 28 12:41:42 vi__: you're from uk? Mar 28 12:48:41 22°C in my bedroom Mar 28 12:51:25 Scotland. Mar 28 12:52:12 italy! :D Mar 28 12:56:54 vi__: what, 8 deg IN THE ROOM?!? Mar 28 12:58:48 omg, I am freezing if the temperature in my room fall below 25 Mar 28 12:58:51 * freemangordon runs Mar 28 13:07:06 is there any decent Whatsapp for the n900? Mar 28 13:07:17 jargon: Yappari Mar 28 13:08:21 thedead1440: i'm reading the yappari thread on tmo and it doesn't seem stable? Mar 28 13:09:07 jargon: it is stable only media sending is failing currently same on Wazapp N9 due to Whatsapp having updated their protocol yet again Mar 28 13:10:36 thedead1440: i see Mar 28 13:12:43 where do i install it from? is it in the repos or do i need to download a .deb? Mar 28 13:13:59 see the first post of the thread; it should be stated Mar 28 13:14:28 ahh yes. deb,then Mar 28 13:17:42 vi__; need better house Mar 28 13:18:18 * ShadowJK 's room stays at 20C if it's warmer than -5C outside, if I have my comoputer running Mar 28 13:23:10 what is NITDroid? Mar 28 13:36:14 Yes, I need a better house. Mar 28 13:36:42 I do not know how somone, with good conscience could build such an inefficient piece of shit. Mar 28 13:36:51 It is worse than skype for the n900. Mar 28 13:47:56 Without the PC on I'd need a fire once a day in the fireplace Mar 28 14:07:09 * SpeedEvil is insulating his house properly. Mar 28 14:07:25 I'm hoping to not need heating. Mar 28 14:08:38 >25cm of insulation on all sides, a couple of hundred tons heat storage, and solar gain. Mar 28 14:13:45 now you need aircon in summer to cool it down :P Mar 28 14:27:21 * ShadowJK removes insulation for summer Mar 28 15:30:02 RzR: just got word from the Mer/Nemo mobile people that the MeeGo COBS might be shutting down soon Mar 28 15:30:02 cehteh: it's Scotland Mar 28 15:30:18 RzR: they also already migrated their stuff Mar 28 15:30:27 more seriously, air-air heat exchangers work either way Mar 28 15:58:34 did anyone use Qt mobile hotspot? Mar 28 15:59:15 It works fine, the only problem I have is that I can connect to it only with other n900 or N810. Not with laptop. I have tried 3 gnu/linux laptops. Mar 28 15:59:55 I don't remember now the problem exactly. I believe laptops can see the SSID but cannot associate with it. Mar 28 16:00:10 I have changed channels and it did not help. Mar 28 16:10:07 yeah. I tried it again. I cannot change channel. Just it does not associate. And channel is 1. May be this is a problem. Mar 28 16:31:54 ShadowJK: vi needs a huge computer maybe? Mar 28 16:33:52 ShadowJK: you built a jacket for your house?? o.O Mar 28 16:34:30 no Mar 28 16:40:03 norayr: *hotspot does fake AP, it's actually not infrastructure mode but adhoc mode Mar 28 16:41:17 there's no "association" in adhoc mode, is there Mar 28 16:41:39 so your PC might fail to search for AP (which have infrastructure mode), rather you need to associate to hotspot in adhoc mode, maybe even by manually entering the data for that connection Mar 28 16:42:59 yes, what kerio said, there's no such thing like associate for adhoc mode Mar 28 16:44:16 also adhoc doesn't support any powersaving-mode (PSM), thus your client's WLAN chip will eat quite some energy Mar 28 16:46:00 are you sure about this last thing? iirc there was something about the clients roundrobining the role of the AP, wrt power saving Mar 28 16:54:01 o.O Mar 28 16:54:21 can't see how that would work Mar 28 16:56:11 in theory a adhoc peer could announce those sleeping periods and send out beacons just like an AP does in infrastructure mode, but I doubt any client's WLAN chip firmware was able to handle that, since it's not supposed to exist Mar 28 16:59:14 or let me put it this way: if a adhoc peer would do all this, then it probably isn't an adhoc peer anymore, but a true infrastructure AP Mar 28 17:00:53 if N900 could make the WLAN chip send true beacons and all that (aiui only feasible in raw mode, or with support from wlan chip firmware for infrastructure mode), then we wouldn't need that botch withh adhoc mode Mar 28 17:01:42 I might be wrong, but that's what I seem to know Mar 28 17:14:04 FWIW: JoikuSpot puts the N900 into AP mode. So it's possible. Mar 28 17:16:14 does it? Mar 28 17:41:03 Woody14619: citation needed Mar 28 17:41:17 Woody14619, n900 HW does not support AP mode Mar 28 17:41:34 (ehm, support, but firmware is missing) Mar 28 17:41:43 I run Joikuspot and it shows up as an AP client. Mar 28 17:41:59 Woody14619, maybe only ad-hoc Mar 28 17:42:07 AP for sure not Mar 28 17:42:36 No... It's quite clear. Windows makes a big fuss over AP vs Ad-Hoc clients... Mar 28 17:43:57 Woody14619, maybe with packet injection driver you can simulate and create fake AP Mar 28 17:44:33 the joikuspot user guide has screenshots from windows that clearly show adhoc mode for the joikuspot network Mar 28 17:44:34 It loads a single module to my knowledge... JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko Mar 28 17:44:49 Pali: yes, packet injection basically is raw mode Mar 28 17:45:18 so it's not necessarily a "fake" AP Mar 28 17:45:20 Some laptops (depends on the laptop vendor) may require that you allow “Computer-to-computer (ad-hoc) networks only” for JoikuSpot. Mar 28 17:45:21 JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko is driver which enabling NAT+packet forwarding Mar 28 17:45:42 (because nokia kernel does not have iptables enabled) Mar 28 17:45:57 that driver is replacement for joiku Mar 28 17:46:36 DocScrutinizer05, so is there any SW which can simulate AP mode? Mar 28 17:46:50 Pali: I don't know Mar 28 17:47:13 packet injection just occured to me, haven't thought about it before Mar 28 17:47:14 testing now... Mar 28 17:50:50 Pali: did you see the last mail from Tony? Mar 28 17:51:02 freemangordon, yes Mar 28 17:51:15 toldya, there are sane guys :D Mar 28 17:55:49 So apparently iPads don't indicate mode. Windows does show it at ad-hoc. My bad. Mar 28 17:56:00 i'm surprised your ipad can connect to it at all Mar 28 17:56:42 Most times I've used it, it's been to supply internet to iPeople, and it shows up as AP for them (or rather, iDevices don't distinguish connection type). Mar 28 17:56:58 kerio: iPads have no issues connecting to ad-hoc; its droids with the issue Mar 28 17:57:03 ah yes Mar 28 19:18:49 so, gpg and otr on maemo, whats a good way to do this? Mar 28 19:21:26 otr for what? Mar 28 19:21:29 gnupg is already installed Mar 28 19:27:57 secure ims Mar 28 19:28:06 and gpg support for email, and other stuff Mar 28 19:28:14 gpg is installed for apt-, but it is not implemented Mar 28 19:28:17 otherwise Mar 28 19:30:13 hm, maybe your best bet for IM is to install a different IM client Mar 28 19:30:17 like pidgin, maybe Mar 28 19:30:24 trying qutim Mar 28 19:35:37 just installed the firefox ver of https everywhere Mar 28 20:44:37 [general notice] we had a problem that broke mails from tmo, wiki, other subsystems to a small number of mail addr that actually do exim sender-verify-callout. This is fixed now Mar 28 23:43:40 kerio: ping Mar 28 23:43:47 pong Mar 29 02:39:17 I just got a friend's 770 and I was hoping to update it to the newest software, but the download site seems to be offline. Does anyone have a source on the newest 770 software? Mar 29 02:42:01 seems offline to me too Mar 29 02:46:07 I just assumed it had been offline for some time. Mar 29 02:47:56 quite :/ Mar 29 02:58:44 So does anyone have another source? Or a way to contact the Nokia guys running that server? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 29 02:59:59 2013