**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 08 02:59:58 2013 Apr 08 04:21:20 *no* april fool - or yes? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130408_002.jpg ... 004 Apr 08 04:30:27 has anyone found a way to get google authenticator codes on their n900? Apr 08 05:29:05 raid_, it's available for Harmattan, so I guess you could use marmistr's thing to run it Apr 08 05:29:05 http://store.ovi.com/content/273598 Apr 08 05:30:21 i knew that was there for the N9, but i didn't know someone made something to run N9 apps Apr 08 05:30:31 MeeCoLay, I think Apr 08 05:31:44 rikanee: this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85716 Apr 08 05:32:13 rikanee: i mean: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84482 Apr 08 05:32:20 mecolay, ok Apr 08 05:32:24 yes, that. Apr 08 05:33:53 this is good news. thank you! Apr 08 06:26:29 ~doing the qwert123 Apr 08 06:26:35 ~doing the qwerty123 Apr 08 06:26:49 ~qwerty123 Apr 08 06:49:24 wow... http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST4000DM000/dp/B00B99JU4S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1365403709&sr=8-4&keywords=4TB+hard+drive $189 for 4TB? Apr 08 06:49:30 what's the catch? Apr 08 06:50:19 one of those you get what you pay for moments i'm sure heh Apr 08 07:34:08 Hi, can't find nmbd in repositories Apr 08 07:34:41 I did install of smb (tinysmb) but there's no nmbd Apr 08 07:41:54 XATRIX: Samba 3.5.6 (in -devel) has nmbd. Apr 08 07:42:17 try dpkg -L smb | grep nmbd Apr 08 07:43:11 is apt-get dist-upgrade supposed to work otb on the n900? Apr 08 07:43:26 raid_: watch for packages that do get upgraded. Apr 08 07:43:44 rikanee: you mean in the app manager? Apr 08 07:43:47 DO NOT fist-upgrade when there's a fremantle-pr package that's offered for upgrade. Apr 08 07:43:53 *dist-upgrade Apr 08 07:44:20 raid_: if you're upgrading CSSU, what you do is "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr" Apr 08 07:44:34 which pulls in all the packages requested by the upgrade. Apr 08 07:44:47 don't upgrade CSSU with dist-upgrade. Apr 08 07:45:19 although for apps that pull in new libraries, and apt-get normally skips over them when you run "apt-get upgrade", it's up to you whether to accept them as part of dist-upgrade. Apr 08 07:45:22 it just says upstart has unmet dependencies: sysvinit-utils 2.86 and busybox 3:1.6.1 Apr 08 07:45:44 alright, what repo did you enable. Apr 08 07:46:04 oh i'm using the skeiro from when the main repo went down Apr 08 07:46:19 weird, why is upstart being upgraded? Apr 08 07:47:16 i have the testing and dev repos Apr 08 07:47:45 current version of upstart is 0.3.8-67 Apr 08 07:48:14 not sure what it's trying to upgrade to Apr 08 07:49:41 i have extras, extras-devel, extras-testing, community, and community-testing Apr 08 07:49:55 from skeiron.org Apr 08 07:54:17 'apt-cache showpkg upstart' shows a slightly newer upstart version 0.3.8-68+0cssu0 from community-testing Apr 08 07:55:12 i can disable the community repo, dist-upgrade, and then reenable the repo Apr 08 07:56:20 rikanee: is that how you do it to avoid that fremantle-pr problem you mentioned? Apr 08 07:59:04 i would guess so. thanks Apr 08 08:49:40 XATRIX: did you read the TMO thread I posted yesterday? Apr 08 08:49:56 XATRIX: BTW why do you need nmb on n900? Apr 08 08:50:00 is there a google maps app for maemo? if not, is there an api i could use to write one? Apr 08 08:51:08 luf: sorry, i didn't read it, didn't notice your post. Because i need to make my mobile to be accessed via Windows Network Apr 08 08:51:17 Instead of "\\192.168.1.90" Apr 08 08:51:39 XATRIX: what about dns? Apr 08 08:51:45 Simply go to Network, see available hosts -> N-900 -> pass/login and see shares Apr 08 08:52:02 luf: dns is an external nameserver Apr 08 08:52:08 XATRIX: it's the opposite way you asked yesterday :) Apr 08 08:52:11 I need it to coop with DHCP Apr 08 08:52:16 that's why i need nmbd Apr 08 08:52:38 why not assign a dhcp fixed host to your n900 Apr 08 08:53:17 XATRIX: what about some wins on windows side? Also not usable for you? Apr 08 08:53:27 Because i want my handset to be available via Windows networking allover the worl :) Apr 08 08:53:43 so you can get hacked over netbios? Apr 08 08:53:50 Nope Apr 08 08:54:00 I will enable smbd on deman Apr 08 08:54:39 http://maemo.org/packages/view/smb/ ? Apr 08 08:55:22 Yea, already trying Apr 08 08:55:39 The best approach was tinysmb, but it doesn't have nmbd with it Apr 08 08:56:06 I think you can use tinysmb + only nmbd for the package. Apr 08 08:57:01 Yeap, but there's no nmbd withot smb Apr 08 08:57:10 have to install complete smb package Apr 08 08:57:34 Yeah but you don't need to use it. Or you can just copy out the nmbd part. Apr 08 09:05:03 XATRIX: as I see on azsmb page it should include nmb support. Apr 08 09:05:08 there isn't a Google maps app. there are APIs, but they are very limited, and have problems, for example, you can't legally cache map files Apr 08 09:05:12 files Apr 08 09:05:31 there are a few map apps that do, however Apr 08 09:07:29 luf: where did you find it ? Apr 08 09:08:17 http://members.inode.at/anton.zechner/az/Doku/SmbServer.htm Apr 08 09:08:31 "home page" http://members.inode.at/anton.zechner/az/AzSmb.en.htm Apr 08 09:08:45 But maybe we have too old version on N900. Apr 08 09:09:38 cool, does it have any GUI configurator for shares and users ? Apr 08 09:10:21 XATRIX: it's tinysmb ;) Apr 08 09:10:35 hm Apr 08 09:12:07 Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search azsmb Apr 08 09:12:07 tinysmb - small SMB Server Apr 08 09:12:08 O_o Apr 08 09:15:02 apt-get dist-upgrade is still trying to upgrade upstart, even after i removed all sources except stable and ran apt-get update Apr 08 09:15:42 XATRIX: did you find the easy way for accessing windows shares from N900? Apr 08 09:15:49 'apt-cache showpkg upstart' is not showing any newer versions than what i already have Apr 08 09:16:22 luf: negative Apr 08 09:16:29 XATRIX: this seems promising: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wizard-mounter/ Apr 08 09:16:57 luf: check this out http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1853&faq=37 Apr 08 09:17:28 it tells that i still have to provide IP address instead of click on a picture of the host in network manager of windows Apr 08 09:21:34 XATRIX: but tinysmb source code says that it starts the nmb ... Apr 08 09:22:18 Do you have running tinysmb? Can you use netstat on N900? I think you'll see that nmb is listening on N900 with tinysmb Apr 08 09:23:11 hm.. wizard-mounter is good, but it still require me to specify share to mount. there's no gui share-explorer. I mean, what if i don't know the exact share location Apr 08 09:23:27 Nokia-N900:~# ps aux | grep smb Apr 08 09:23:29 10711 root 7524 S tinysmbd -q -d Apr 08 09:23:30 11745 root 2088 S grep smb Apr 08 09:23:30 Nokia-N900:~# Apr 08 09:23:37 skip the grep string Apr 08 09:27:01 rikanee: dist-upgrade is forbidden Apr 08 09:27:38 err Apr 08 09:27:43 raid_: ^^^ Apr 08 09:33:09 XATRIX: netstat -ln | grep :139 Apr 08 09:33:34 I always thought hildon/osso filemanager knows about samba shares Apr 08 09:33:54 I might be wrong Apr 08 09:34:08 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, no, you are not. iirc Apr 08 09:34:23 DocScrutinizer05: yes it knows ;) But you have to specify them somehow. It doesn't scan all possible ... Apr 08 09:34:32 luf: hi Apr 08 09:34:41 freemangordon: hello Apr 08 09:35:17 so what we're talking about here? some avahi shit? Apr 08 09:37:51 btw most AP keep the IP for a particular MAC. Usually they even know about clients' *names* and do proper DNS (if configured to do local DNS-proxy instead of just passing thru DNS queries to public DNS server) Apr 08 09:38:06 DocScrutinizer05: 1) how to configure the smb shares (how to find them) and 2) the opposite way - how to access N900 as smb server from windows world. Apr 08 09:39:52 tcp 0 0 192.168.0.20:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Apr 08 09:40:59 so maybe do a `host -a 192.168.0.20` (or whatever the windoze equiv) on your PC? Apr 08 09:41:43 you might be surprised Apr 08 09:42:59 XATRIX: so you have running nmbd in tinysmb ;) Apr 08 09:43:03 and even when your AP doesn't do proper rDNS, it still might know the IP for whatever name your N900 is using Apr 08 09:44:09 N810 192.168.4.43 00:1D:6E:9C:00:9C never Apr 08 09:44:10 RM696-N9 192.168.4.48 04:A8:2A:1F:92:5A never Apr 08 09:44:12 RM680-BP 192.168.4.49 90:CF:15:1B:CB:7E never Apr 08 09:44:25 ^^^ excerpt of my ddwrt "LAN" tab Apr 08 09:45:24 (I don't use local DNS proxy, so can't check. This however is not the usual default config) Apr 08 09:46:25 DocScrutinizer05: u mean, nslookup ? what can it give me ? Apr 08 09:46:40 luf: Not sure about Apr 08 09:46:50 anyway the machines' names are not "hardcoded" in AP/router, they are delivered from the machines during DHCP Apr 08 09:47:32 XATRIX: you can reach your N900 under a certain "domain" no matter what IP it got from DHCP Apr 08 09:48:04 usually the same name you find in `cat /etc/hostname` on N900 Apr 08 09:48:56 hm Apr 08 09:49:00 XATRIX: 139 is nmb port So I'm sure. However tinysmb can't be nmb master so you need some workgroup with win/samba machine which act as master browser. Apr 08 09:49:12 when i open Network Places in windows Apr 08 09:49:41 I can see 3 hosts there, XATIX-PC(desktop win) Acer-d255e(latpop) and Nokia-N900 Apr 08 09:49:59 surprise Apr 08 09:50:02 If i click Acer-d255e - it asks password,then list the shares in Apr 08 09:50:04 ;-) Apr 08 09:50:17 XATRIX: you see Nokia-N900 so the nmb is working on N900 side. Apr 08 09:50:20 DocScrutinizer05: dist-upgrade is forbidden? Apr 08 09:50:31 yes, totally forbidden Apr 08 09:50:34 DocScrutinizer05: why are there 2 docscrutinizers? Apr 08 09:50:44 why not? Apr 08 09:50:51 When i click Nokia-N900 - it gives me an error: "\\Nokia-N900 is not accessible. The network path was not found" Apr 08 09:50:56 DocScrutinizer05: because it makes replying to you harder Apr 08 09:51:05 no, easier Apr 08 09:51:08 ;-P Apr 08 09:51:10 But i still be able to access and list shares via "\\192.168.0.20\ Apr 08 09:51:12 ugh Apr 08 09:51:34 DocScrutinizer05: i have to hit tab twice Apr 08 09:51:37 XATRIX: I'm affraid it's dns/wins related. Apr 08 09:51:51 wins = nmbd Apr 08 09:51:53 you wouldn't want to my RX51 aka N900 if I'm sitting on my PC-05 Apr 08 09:52:03 DocScrutinizer05: well, what is the recommended means of upgrading? Apr 08 09:52:13 raid_: HAM Apr 08 09:52:30 XATRIX: I think not fully. However it's dns related. let's. Apr 08 09:52:32 particularly for CSSU Apr 08 09:52:39 DocScrutinizer05: fine. i hate HAM it's so slow Apr 08 09:53:01 luf: yea, but there's no DNS definitions / hosts/lmhosts file for acer-d255e Apr 08 09:53:06 it's way faster than you doing the upgrade manually on apt-get Apr 08 09:53:16 if i do service nmbd stop - on my laptop - it gets unaccessible Apr 08 09:53:28 But i can get access back via \\192.168.1.2 Apr 08 09:53:39 So, nmbd is critical Apr 08 09:54:12 http://fpaste.org/q1HB/ Apr 08 09:56:07 * DocScrutinizer05 really prefers "sftp://iron900" in konqueror Apr 08 09:56:38 ah... how do i hate this way. I really prefer flash disks Apr 08 09:56:45 IroN900 192.168.4.41 EC:9B:5B:02:11:02 never Apr 08 09:57:02 But i have to make my handset be accessible via standard windows shareing Apr 08 09:57:07 let's try nmblookup Apr 08 09:57:17 XATRIX: ^^ Apr 08 09:57:30 windows and standard in one sentence, ugh Apr 08 09:57:42 My users are a bit dumb in our work-network, and they don't know about \\some-freaking-ip Apr 08 09:58:23 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup acer-d255e Apr 08 09:58:23 querying acer-d255e on 192.168.0.255 Apr 08 09:58:23 192.168.0.14 acer-d255e<00> Apr 08 09:58:28 localhost resolve Apr 08 09:58:45 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup developer-1 querying developer-1 on 192.168.0.255 192.168.0.2 developer-1<00> Apr 08 09:58:59 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup Nokia-n900 Apr 08 09:58:59 querying Nokia-n900 on 192.168.0.255 Apr 08 09:58:59 name_query failed to find name Nokia-n900 Apr 08 09:59:34 check this out.. it's interresting :( http://fpaste.org/P9mb/ Apr 08 10:00:05 *shrug* 192.168.0.255 is broadcast, isn't it? Apr 08 10:00:12 developer-1 - is a host with win7 Apr 08 10:00:32 DocScrutinizer05: smb/wins uses broadcast Apr 08 10:01:02 Also, smb-transfer mode uses UDP as long as i know Apr 08 10:01:33 XATRIX: older version. The newer is using tcp 445 AFAIK Apr 08 10:01:49 I wouldn't want to run a daemon on N900 that listens to broadcasts Apr 08 10:01:55 luf: i have this one port on my linux laptop Apr 08 10:01:57 acer Apr 08 10:02:01 but well, that's just me Apr 08 10:02:24 DocScrutinizer05: as i previously mentioned, it's on demand daemon Apr 08 10:02:34 eh? Apr 08 10:02:52 I need something to share - i start tinysmb, i will shut the daemon down after i finish Apr 08 10:03:38 well, whaever works for you Apr 08 10:03:54 XATRIX: let's try start tinysmb in some debug/verbose mode to see more. Apr 08 10:04:22 I think there are less complicated setups for both-ends guided file transfer Apr 08 10:05:24 XATRIX: you should have correct workgroup as you can see Nokia-N900 in net places ... Apr 08 10:05:33 Sure... Apr 08 10:05:45 I have a proper group. Moreover, i see it :) Apr 08 10:05:50 I can't access it :) Apr 08 10:09:29 wait a bit i'll upload the image to Apr 08 10:10:29 http://imgur.com/iqghxP2 - that's what i mean Apr 08 10:25:25 XATRIX: nmblookup -M Workgroup Apr 08 10:25:45 It seems you have no master browser for workgroup on the net ... Apr 08 10:26:01 master browser ? O_o Apr 08 10:26:02 It should be fixed via dns ... Apr 08 10:26:09 Yes. Apr 08 10:26:13 I have no domain controller you mean ? Apr 08 10:26:21 XATRIX: no Apr 08 10:26:43 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup -M WORKGROUP Apr 08 10:26:43 querying WORKGROUP on 192.168.0.255 Apr 08 10:26:43 192.168.0.14 WORKGROUP<1d> Apr 08 10:27:05 nmb is voting the master browser who is collecting info about the workgroup. Apr 08 10:27:12 it's an ip of acer-d255 Apr 08 10:28:10 XATRIX: what is nmb (browser) config on acer? Apr 08 10:33:33 luf: i see no extra config for nmbd Apr 08 10:33:41 i have only for smb.conf Apr 08 10:33:59 XATRIX: it's in smb.conf ;) Apr 08 10:34:10 :) Apr 08 10:34:41 acer laptop http://fpaste.org/N11j/ Apr 08 10:43:21 The proble is that tinysmb is not listening broadcasts ... or N900 drops broadcasts. Apr 08 10:44:06 XATRIX: nmblookup -U 192.168.1.2 Nokia-N900 Apr 08 10:50:10 what is 192.168.1.2 ? Apr 08 10:50:16 I have no such addr Apr 08 10:50:53 ah...ok you mean unicast of the handset Apr 08 10:51:06 I think it's you N900 IP Apr 08 10:51:12 *your Apr 08 10:52:39 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup -U 192.168.0.20 Nokia-n900 Apr 08 10:52:39 querying Nokia-n900 on 192.168.0.20 Apr 08 10:52:39 192.168.0.20 Nokia-n900<00> Apr 08 10:52:39 xatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ Apr 08 10:53:26 XATRIX: so the only problem is that the nmb in tinysmb isn't listen for broadcasts ... Apr 08 10:53:48 hi Apr 08 10:54:06 is there a bin file to make the n900 to vibrate Apr 08 10:54:56 luf: maemo doesn't support broadcasts ? Apr 08 10:58:11 luf: http://fpaste.org/10Ib/ Apr 08 10:58:14 Any ideas ? Apr 08 10:58:19 tinysmb is running Apr 08 11:05:10 You can't start nmbd while tinysmb is running Apr 08 11:05:54 XATRIX: very ugly workaround is to iptables and dnat broadcast for udp 137 port to the IP. Apr 08 11:06:17 XATRIX: the second way is to fix tinysmb to listen broadcast as nmbd do ... Apr 08 11:10:10 luf: fix tinysmb's code you mean ? :) Apr 08 11:10:19 It doesn't have any config options for Apr 08 11:10:20 XATRIX: yes Apr 08 11:10:29 You kidding me :) Apr 08 11:10:53 No Apr 08 11:22:49 XATRIX: I have it :) Apr 08 11:23:08 I just have to check that I close it also correctly Apr 08 11:23:21 close ? Apr 08 11:23:28 have you fixed it ? Apr 08 11:23:56 XATRIX: close the broadcast socket also when shuting down the tinysmb. Apr 08 11:26:01 Doesn't it close itself ? Apr 08 11:26:08 And how can I **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 08 11:28:15 2013 Apr 08 11:31:39 I'm totally rely on you! :) Apr 08 11:38:37 XATRIX: are you using CSSU? Apr 08 11:41:11 * Drathir using Apr 08 11:41:12 Sure Apr 08 11:41:25 Doc advised me ;) Apr 08 11:41:36 Should i remove it ? ;) Apr 08 11:41:40 let's try http://merlin1991.at/~luf/tinysmb/tinysmb_1.0.6maemo2_armel.deb Apr 08 11:41:52 em... Apr 08 11:42:00 what should i do ? Apr 08 11:42:09 XATRIX: No I just built it againist CSSU-T Apr 08 11:42:22 samba on n900? Apr 08 11:42:51 XATRIX: wget to N900 and dpkg -i ;) Apr 08 11:43:28 Drathir: nothing new just fixed one small nmb issue (if you don't have properly setup dns) Apr 08 11:43:30 it's not good Apr 08 11:43:38 cause it will ruin dependencies Apr 08 11:43:44 Like apt-get does Apr 08 11:45:09 XATRIX: ? Apr 08 11:45:47 Doc told me apt-get install / dpkg is a bad way to install software Apr 08 11:45:57 Only HAM or Fast App manager Apr 08 11:46:26 DocS are you here around? Apr 08 11:47:13 XATRIX: most probably you are taking Doc's statement out of context... Apr 08 11:47:36 this smb is really tiny :p Apr 08 11:47:36 it's can be possible Apr 08 11:49:17 XATRIX: it depends on you ;) feel free to wait for DocS and ask him. Apr 08 11:49:47 XATRIX: dpkg --info tinysmb_1.0.6maemo2_armel.deb Apr 08 11:50:01 all dependencies Apr 08 11:51:32 XATRIX: yea its bad thing f you install from apt without a little thinking what you are really doin Apr 08 11:51:59 :) Apr 08 11:52:28 my apt-get upgrade want's to ruin my packages that are exactly tinysmb dependencies ;) Apr 08 11:52:34 what is meecolay and how is it supposed to help me run this N9 app, GAuth Apr 08 11:52:57 but if you install packages with head and official repositories in most of packages all should be ok Apr 08 11:53:33 XATRIX: apt-get install seems to work fine for me. but upgrading should probably be done through HAM Apr 08 11:53:52 ok Apr 08 11:54:06 luf: do i have to uninstall my current version of tinysmb ? Apr 08 11:54:19 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) Apr 08 11:55:46 It'll replace. So if you'll feel safer you can remove tinysmb (also tinysmbgui due to deps). Install tinysmb I provided and again install tinysmbgui. Apr 08 11:56:24 luf: can i priv you? Apr 08 11:56:39 Drathir: http://fpaste.org/TAOc/ Apr 08 11:56:57 Drathir: what does mean priv? Apr 08 11:57:17 luf: private msg there **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 08 11:59:37 2013 Apr 08 11:59:44 Drathir: I can't deny it to you ;) Feel free to contact me how you like. Apr 08 11:59:45 XATRIX: don't do that. just wget + dpkg -i Apr 08 11:59:57 O_o Apr 08 12:00:02 ok Apr 08 12:01:09 XATRIX: dpkg will fail if dependencies aren't met Apr 08 12:02:11 hope it's ok, http://fpaste.org/GPyG/ Apr 08 12:02:46 XATRIX: yes it is. So let's start tinysmb and try it from win machine ... I'm curious ... Apr 08 12:03:23 no need for extra system restart ? Apr 08 12:04:22 For sure not. N900 isn't win machine :D Apr 08 12:04:40 Crap, it works! Apr 08 12:04:52 XATRIX: :D Apr 08 12:05:05 Holy shit.. You're a real coder! Apr 08 12:05:52 XATRIX: Let's try more as I see samba is listening broadcast also on 138 port (and I don't add it to tinysmb as I'm not sure). Apr 08 12:05:58 Maybe you know how to disable vibra for messages/IM but not for other stuff ? ) Apr 08 12:06:18 Let's try more Apr 08 12:08:24 XATRIX: I was never interested in so I don't know (vibra). Apr 08 12:08:29 n900 isnt really a phone ^^ :p Apr 08 12:09:44 Drathir: It's the only true smartphone :D Apr 08 12:10:12 luf: i have little advice for you in default package files better change MyDocs to read only or wiev only... Apr 08 12:10:24 luf: it's a computer with phone capabilities Apr 08 12:11:17 has anyone gotten GAuth to work on the n900? Apr 08 12:11:42 i need two-step verification and i don't want to buy an android just for that Apr 08 12:12:00 XATRIX: settings profiles but i dont know if its possible only for im messages... Apr 08 12:12:05 Drathir: I don't think it's something normal user wants. Apr 08 12:13:50 Drathir: as long as i know i can only enable/disable vibra for the whole profile... But how to make it not to vibrate on new messages Apr 08 12:14:02 luf: but this looks like tittle security issue if r+w acces for all MyDocs by default is setting up, but this only my opinion about that... Apr 08 12:14:04 XATRIX: this is right TMO thread you're looking for I think (vibra) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42091 Apr 08 12:14:52 Drathir: but that's usually why users installed tinysmb. Apr 08 12:15:14 Drathir: If not they can change the config. Apr 08 12:15:29 luf: thanks! Apr 08 12:16:47 XATRIX: don't thanks to me ... Just uncle Google did the job ;) Apr 08 12:17:41 luf: yea thats tru, maybe i to addicted by linux policy statments i mean if you want to something do you must first enable/allow that ^^ different is in winscary system :p Apr 08 12:17:47 true* Apr 08 12:18:45 ; Apr 08 12:19:33 Drathir: maybe that's the reason why the win/apple is so popular ... Unfortunately nearly nobody takes care about security :( Apr 08 12:20:40 tell me about it, no one here even has two-step verification in their phone Apr 08 12:21:41 raid__: :) so you should be the first one Apr 08 12:21:58 raid__: doesn't gmail have application specific passwords to bypass 2-step verification on certain devices? Apr 08 12:22:39 luf: if i wrote it, no one would probably even use it :D Apr 08 12:22:54 raid__: And I'm surprised that google doesn't write GAuth for linux ... Apr 08 12:23:10 luf i dont like winscary because dont like if os do something above my back without my permission... Apr 08 12:23:21 luf: i have to exhaust the GAuth possibility first Apr 08 12:23:28 luf: they have an app for android and iOS Apr 08 12:23:59 thedead1440: they let you receive your verification code via sms, but i haven't been able to test that yet Apr 08 12:24:15 raid__: two step mean security and pin code if that i using this in first way... Apr 08 12:24:18 thedead1440: that may not work for the website i need Apr 08 12:24:50 raid__: oh yes i have the same; they send me codes via sms but for some things like my n9(00) my main password doesn't work so i need to use the generated application specific passwords Apr 08 12:24:57 Drathir: what? Apr 08 12:25:28 thedead1440: yeah, i need that app on the n900 Apr 08 12:25:55 raid__: pone lock security code and pin security code, but maybe i miss understand what you mean... Apr 08 12:25:56 Drathir: "if that i using this in first way" Apr 08 12:26:11 raid__: no i meant there is a generated password from the web interfac; you can use that password instead everytime on all devices that lack the ability to have 2-step verification Apr 08 12:26:19 interface* Apr 08 12:27:02 thedead1440: hmm, google didn't mention it in their help article Apr 08 12:27:08 raid__: after reflash device i always enable phone security code pi always have on... Apr 08 12:27:53 but i see you have mean online 2 way weryfication... Apr 08 12:28:03 raid__: gmail->account->security->2-step settings->manage application-specific passwords Apr 08 12:28:20 Drathir: google authenicator is an app that generates time-dependent codes that you can use to log in to your accounts in addition to your password. Apr 08 12:28:35 that way you can generate one new password which is valid until you choose to disable it and can be used on any device w/o 2-step verification capability Apr 08 12:30:38 raid__: how big is that security code? Apr 08 12:30:41 thedead1440: it's for a website actually Apr 08 12:30:53 Drathir: about 6 numerical digits Apr 08 12:30:58 *exactly Apr 08 12:31:54 how about bruteforce it? is any security aganist that? Apr 08 12:32:41 thedead1440: i see the application specific passwords you're talking about. i don't think the website will take them Apr 08 12:33:17 raid__: try it first and also try the sms method; i use these two methods and *never* have had the need for a GAuth app... Apr 08 12:33:32 Drathir: yes, the codes are time-based, every 30 seconds they change Apr 08 12:33:53 raid__: there's a way to issue app-specific passwords Apr 08 12:33:56 i think the best way for now its a o-auth supported by tweetter apps really dont know your really password to auth with your account... Apr 08 12:34:05 they don't need secondary authentication. Apr 08 12:34:10 Drathir: there is probably also a lock-out from too many wrong codes Apr 08 12:34:43 Drathir: the problem is if your OAuth password or provider gets 0wn3d, so do you. Apr 08 12:34:49 rikanee: it's for a website, they require codes Apr 08 12:35:21 rikanee: i know, but this secures my end Apr 08 12:35:24 raid__: mmm. Apr 08 12:35:37 raid__: ok 30s looks like in most case enough its possible to crack with a big brandwidth but google servers should detect ddos and shut down the connection... Apr 08 12:35:42 I actually just switched to using 2-factor auth everywhere myself. Apr 08 12:36:04 Some websites allow you to specify a recovery number. Apr 08 12:36:38 rikanee: a lot of breeches in the past could have been avoided if the parties took advantage of the two-step verification they were offered Apr 08 12:37:02 raid__, indeed. Apr 08 12:37:21 rikanee: yes but all thime you can deny acces and thats oauth dont allow to change twitter settings i think... Apr 08 12:37:49 You can setup two factor authentication for your account through Google Authenticator (free Android and iOS app). This provides a higher level of security for your account through the use of one time access tokens in addition to your password. The application is available for iOS and Android devices and does not require a Google account. We ONLY support the Google Authenticator app; other applications WILL NOT work. Apr 08 12:38:00 raid__, I think 2-factor auth is a step towards certificate-based authentication. Apr 08 12:38:34 My dream is to have a USB stick or NFC app on your phone that you must use in conjunction with a passphrase to log in. Apr 08 12:39:10 rikanee: real two-factor auth means you have to use two of the following three things to prove your identity: something only you know, something only you have, something only you are Apr 08 12:39:37 raid__: this looks like secureapi to google accounts if google want should public that api code and other platform dev can addapt it... Apr 08 12:39:49 raid__: a RFID implant plus thumbprint would be great, but I'm squeamish. Apr 08 12:39:59 Drathir: the API is open Apr 08 12:40:09 something you know is like a password, something you have is like a SMART card, something you are is like your fingerprint Apr 08 12:40:26 Google supplies source for a PAM module that interfaces with their Authenticator doohickey. Apr 08 12:40:28 BUT Apr 08 12:40:40 google authenticator attempts to emulate the "something you have" factor Apr 08 12:41:15 rikanee: that's for the server side Apr 08 12:41:18 IIRC you need to be connected to the Internet to use it because Google has the secret seed needed to spit out the proper codes. Apr 08 12:41:46 the spec is open though, so feel free to run your own code server. Apr 08 12:41:58 …if you don't trust Google with generating tokens for you. Apr 08 12:42:20 i trust it, i just need it on my n900 Apr 08 12:42:38 GAuth exists for the N9, but i don't know how to get it to work Apr 08 12:42:57 *i trust it enough Apr 08 12:43:23 raid__: if its deb package should work also... Apr 08 12:43:55 i actually installed it and am running it, but it's kind of weird Apr 08 12:44:15 raid__, what's weird? Apr 08 12:44:31 gauth Apr 08 12:45:03 Drathir: N9 is rpm based Apr 08 12:45:12 luf: Nope. Apr 08 12:45:18 luf: no its deb based Apr 08 12:45:21 http://store.ovi.com/content/273598 Apr 08 12:46:48 Wow. Apr 08 12:49:49 luf: O.o redhat inside? Apr 08 12:49:51 i was just disconnected, did i miss anything? Apr 08 12:50:31 (( Doc told me apt-get install / dpkg is a bad way to install software)) No (( Only HAM or Fast App manager)) NOOOOO! I definitely never suggested to use fapman (( my apt-get upgrade want's to ruin my packages...) THAT is what I said you MUST NOT do: apt-get [dist]upgrade Apr 08 12:50:37 i little scared about rpm... Apr 08 12:51:14 lol Apr 08 12:51:54