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Apr 10 12:27:31 <Macer> blah
Apr 10 12:27:42 <Macer> nemo is incredibly flakey :-/
Apr 10 12:27:50 <Macer> back to maemo
Apr 10 12:27:59 <freemangordon> Macer: ;)
Apr 10 12:28:08 <Macer> heh
Apr 10 12:28:08 <sixwheeledbeast> what did you expect?
Apr 10 12:28:27 <Macer> well at least a bit better than a blank screen after updating
Apr 10 12:28:38 <Macer> in wanted to run meego on the n900 heh
Apr 10 12:29:12 <freemangordon> Macer: no point doing that, last time I tried it was like a snail. i doubt anything has changed
Apr 10 12:30:05 <Macer> it wasnt too bad for speed
Apr 10 12:30:32 <freemangordon> hmm, I guess it depends on what one expects :)
Apr 10 12:30:57 <Macer> i just wanted to get sports tracker to run on it :)
Apr 10 12:31:04 <freemangordon> but in my book more that 10 seconds to start the calculator is slooow
Apr 10 12:31:12 <Macer> otherwise im going to have to get a 2nd sim
Apr 10 12:31:20 <Macer> for the e7
Apr 10 12:31:28 <Macer> just for running lol
Apr 10 12:33:07 <Macer> ecoach wont work with the sports tracker heart monitor
Apr 10 12:33:18 <Macer> and well.... it sucks in comparison ;)
Apr 10 12:35:27 <Drathir> freemangordon: really 10?
Apr 10 12:36:11 <Drathir> Macer: try arch :p
Apr 10 12:37:41 <freemangordon> Drathir: yep, at least here
Apr 10 12:39:16 <Drathir> interesting why... clean system should be as light as possible...
Apr 10 12:49:22 <Macer> arch?
Apr 10 12:50:03 <Macer> naw...  will try nemo again when the fully functional n900 shows up
Apr 10 12:50:20 <Macer> if push comes to shove i will just get a pay by the day sim
Apr 10 12:51:34 <Macer> if i run half a month tho then i will pretty much pay as much as the prepaid sim i have now
Apr 10 12:51:50 <Macer> i wonder if i can dig up a net10 data only sim for the e7
Apr 10 12:52:04 <Macer> for cheap. 2G should cut it just for running
Apr 10 12:52:32 <Macer> i might not even need a net connection for the app... it is probably just for the maps
Apr 10 12:56:23 <Macer> hm
Apr 10 12:56:35 <Macer> guess i can search while i wait for an answer
Apr 10 13:11:52 <Macer> hm
Apr 10 13:12:04 <Macer> k just removed uboot and it is still booting
Apr 10 13:12:07 <Macer> wth?
Apr 10 13:15:24 <Pali> Macer, uboot is stored in kernel nand area
Apr 10 13:15:39 <Pali> you need to reinstall some kernel packages
Apr 10 13:15:43 <Pali> to flash some kernel
Apr 10 13:16:07 <Pali> you cannot *uninstall* uboot, you can only replace it with another bootable image
Apr 10 13:20:51 <Macer> ah ok
Apr 10 13:20:54 <Macer> i'll use meego ;)
Apr 10 13:21:38 <Macer> just trying to find out where this image is for it
Apr 10 13:21:47 <Macer> i'm just testing this stuff on my broken n900
Apr 10 13:21:52 <Macer> the working one is on its way in the mail
Apr 10 13:37:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~uboot
Apr 10 13:37:36 <infobot> hmm... uboot is an alternative bootloader, for diskless devices
Apr 10 13:43:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo uboot is <reply>N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files
Apr 10 13:43:03 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Apr 10 13:43:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~uboot
Apr 10 13:43:10 <infobot> N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files
Apr 10 13:53:51 <amospalla> I've got kp51+bootmenu+backupmenu, is it safe to upgrade to kp52, or should I change some packages related to boot?
Apr 10 18:19:42 <amospalla> I've got kp51+bootmenu+backupmenu, is it safe to upgrade to kp52, or should I change some packages related to boot?
Apr 10 18:30:43 <Pali> maemo repositories not working
Apr 10 18:31:00 <Pali> 2013-04-07 18:43 UTC I promoted package fiasco-image-update-ask
Apr 10 18:31:15 <Pali> still missing version 0.2 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fiasco-image-update-ask/
Apr 10 18:31:44 <Pali> I promoted package usbmode: http://maemo.org/packages/view/usbmode/
Apr 10 18:31:47 <Pali> also missing
Apr 10 18:32:12 <Pali> I pushed kernel-power v52 to extras-devel
Apr 10 18:32:15 <Pali> missing too: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
Apr 10 18:33:00 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, who is responsible for repositories now?
Apr 10 18:33:08 <Pali> who is admin?
Apr 10 18:33:17 <Pali> where to report bugs?
Apr 10 18:33:23 <kerio> Pali: the site says that the package is there :
Apr 10 18:33:24 <kerio> :
Apr 10 18:33:26 <kerio> aargh
Apr 10 18:33:27 <kerio> :o
Apr 10 18:34:17 <Pali> http://maemo.org/packages/view/ipv6-support/ package promoted, but missing in extras-testing
Apr 10 18:34:32 <kerio> oh you meant extras-testing, nvm
Apr 10 18:35:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: basically merlin1991 is responsible for all *maemo.org repos
Apr 10 18:35:25 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: jacekowski also helps maintaining them
Apr 10 18:35:33 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, merlin1991 has admin rights?
Apr 10 18:35:39 <Pali> merlin1991: ping
Apr 10 18:35:48 <Pali> jacekowski: ping
Apr 10 18:36:20 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991 has sufficient right to do what needs to be done on repos, if he's missing rights he will pester me and we'll fix stuff in 5min
Apr 10 18:37:41 <Pali> merlin1991, more kp52 subpackages missing on maemo.org/packages but are on repository.maemo.org
Apr 10 18:43:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Apr 10 18:52:47 <freemangordon> Pali: did you have time to play with hsi/ssi driver?
Apr 10 18:53:11 <Pali> freemangordon, no I did not booted 3.9 kernel yet
Apr 10 18:53:32 <freemangordon> Pali: its ok, I was just curious
Apr 10 20:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody around to check our SSL certs?
Apr 10 20:13:45 <DocScrutinizer05> https://maemo.org
Apr 10 20:14:03 <bef0rd> The identity of this website has been verified by StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA.
Apr 10 20:14:05 <DocScrutinizer05> https://bugs.maemo.org
Apr 10 20:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> (the latter seems to be flawed)
Apr 10 20:15:15 <bef0rd> seems to be ok here
Apr 10 20:15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, is it?
Apr 10 20:15:32 <DocScrutinizer05> then my local PC starts to act up
Apr 10 20:15:43 <bef0rd> there is a warning about including not secure content
Apr 10 20:15:44 <bef0rd> Your connection to bugs.maemo.org is encrypted with 256-bit encryption. However, this page includes other resources which are not secure. These resources can be viewed by others while in transit, and can be modified by an attacker to change the look of the page. 
Apr 10 20:15:51 <bef0rd> but that is not related to thecertificate
Apr 10 20:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Apr 10 20:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and btw should be all the same for https://maemo.org
Apr 10 20:16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> probably from static.maemo.org
Apr 10 20:20:42 <bef0rd> http://i.imgur.com/agotZ1k.png
Apr 10 20:20:48 <bef0rd> valid ssl cert for bugs.maemo
Apr 10 20:32:21 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, been an issue in my konqueror
Apr 10 20:32:24 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Apr 10 20:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> so this whole shite took me "only" 8h and already it's fixed again
Apr 10 20:42:22 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, also this is working: https://vcs.maemo.org/git/ :-)
Apr 10 20:42:56 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: hmm?
Apr 10 20:42:59 <DocScrutinizer05> not here
Apr 10 20:43:13 <bef0rd> it fails here, well shows a warning
Apr 10 20:43:17 <DocScrutinizer05> still our old self-issued cert
Apr 10 20:43:24 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, that site via https not worked
Apr 10 20:43:24 <bef0rd> self signed yea
Apr 10 20:43:42 <Pali> webdav not worked
Apr 10 20:43:49 <Pali> $ GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power
Apr 10 20:43:52 <Pali> this working too ^^^
Apr 10 20:44:01 <Pali> so webdav via https is fixed too
Apr 10 20:44:06 <DocScrutinizer05> but anyway thanks, I now know what else we need for startssl certs
Apr 10 20:49:19 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, maemo.org profile does not have karma from tmo
Apr 10 20:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: we know that
Apr 10 20:51:31 <Pali> ok
Apr 10 20:52:30 <DocScrutinizer05> please see - Elections Eligibility Criteria -  in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89711
Apr 10 20:52:32 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, see: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-April/106885.html
Apr 10 20:52:35 <Pali> what is fremantlecommunityssu?
Apr 10 20:52:44 <Pali> some new repo?
Apr 10 20:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I'm just busy, sounds like a typo done by jacekowski or rather merlin1991
Apr 10 20:54:06 <merlin1991> nope that's what it was always called
Apr 10 20:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh
Apr 10 20:54:37 <DocScrutinizer05> '/mnt/incoming-builder/fremantlecommunityssutesting/'
Apr 10 20:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> looks odd
Apr 10 20:55:32 <Pali> merlin1991, can you look why kernel-power-* v52 packages missing in package interface?
Apr 10 20:55:52 <Pali> and why all promoted packages misssing in extras-testing?
Apr 10 20:57:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: will we need a normal SSL cert for vcs.maemo.org alike the bugs.maemo.org cert we already got?
Apr 10 20:57:24 <DocScrutinizer05> The certificate will have the following host names supported:
Apr 10 20:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05>     maemo.org
Apr 10 20:57:27 <DocScrutinizer05>     vcs.maemo.org
Apr 10 20:57:33 <DocScrutinizer05> correct?
Apr 10 20:58:18 <Pali> I will look what svn using
Apr 10 20:58:47 <jacekowski> Pali: pong
Apr 10 20:58:48 <Pali> $ svn checkout https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser
Apr 10 20:58:55 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I guess it's just the same like bugs.maemo.org, no?
Apr 10 20:59:00 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, svn using also vcs
Apr 10 20:59:08 <Pali> so it is ok
Apr 10 20:59:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, svn vs vcs
Apr 10 20:59:24 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Apr 10 20:59:34 <Pali> jacekowski, I promoted more packages from extras-devel to extras-testing
Apr 10 20:59:49 <Pali> but packages still missing in extras-testing package interface
Apr 10 21:01:53 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: https://lists.maemo.org
Apr 10 21:02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 10 21:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
Apr 10 21:02:07 <jacekowski> package name?
Apr 10 21:02:47 <Pali> jacekowski: usbmode, fiasco-image-update-ask, ipv6-support
Apr 10 21:03:31 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, can you add redirect from https://lists.maemo.org/ to https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo ?
Apr 10 21:03:43 <Pali> because https://lists.maemo.org is 404
Apr 10 21:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess that's a good idea
Apr 10 21:04:35 <Pali> and https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/ is 403 (maybe redirect can be better too)
Apr 10 21:04:55 <Pali> https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/ is 403
Apr 10 21:05:13 <Pali> and this https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ is OK
Apr 10 21:06:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: https://www.maemo.org --> invalid certificate too
Apr 10 21:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 10 21:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> should redirect to bugs.maemo.org anyway
Apr 10 21:07:46 <Pali> hm, why https://www.maemo.org/ redirect to https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi ?
Apr 10 21:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Apr 10 21:09:02 <DocScrutinizer05> we're not designing new stuff here, we fix existing stuff
Apr 10 21:09:32 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, before migration (dec 2012) https://www.maemo.org worked
Apr 10 21:09:41 <Pali> it was not redirected to bugs
Apr 10 21:09:57 <Pali> so it is bug
Apr 10 21:10:37 <DocScrutinizer05> it's an old bug
Apr 10 21:11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and for now we can't possibly do anything about it
Apr 10 21:11:54 <Pali> jacekowski, also all kernel-power(-*) 2.6.28-10power52 packages missing in maemo.org package interface
Apr 10 21:12:06 <Pali> but are on repository.maemo.org extras-devel
Apr 10 21:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: so please file a ticket on b.m.o
Apr 10 21:15:51 <Pali> for what?
Apr 10 21:16:00 <Pali> missing kernel-power packages (again)?
Apr 10 21:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> (about https://www.maemo.org)
Apr 10 21:16:05 <Pali> ok
Apr 10 21:16:06 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: that ticket gathers dust on BMO for more than an year
Apr 10 21:16:10 <freemangordon> aah, ok
Apr 10 21:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> this ticket has two aspects: nonsensical forwarding to b.m.o, and invalid cert
Apr 10 21:18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the invalid cert issue can't get possibly fixed for now, I guess
Apr 10 21:18:49 <Pali> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689
Apr 10 21:18:51 <povbot> 04Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs
Apr 10 21:45:08 <sixwheeledbeast> Pali: I reported this a couple of days after m.o login was fixed. Promotion to testing for devel is broken somehow for all packages.
Apr 10 21:45:21 <sixwheeledbeast> s/for/from/
Apr 10 21:45:22 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: Pali: I reported this a couple of days after m.o login was fixed. Promotion to testing from devel is broken somehow for all packages.
Apr 10 21:45:30 <Pali> ok
Apr 10 21:52:24 <bef0rd> DocScrutinizer05: just noticed, https://maemo.org content is not the same that http://maemo.org (related to the cms not the certs though)
Apr 10 21:56:17 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF?
Apr 10 21:56:33 <DocScrutinizer05> joerg@vcs:~$ id
Apr 10 21:56:35 <DocScrutinizer05> uid=30401(joerg) gid=30580(joerg) groups=30580(joerg),27(sudo),30550(cssu-testing)
Apr 10 21:56:36 <DocScrutinizer05> joerg@vcs:~$ date >/mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx
Apr 10 21:56:38 <DocScrutinizer05> -bash: /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx: Permission denied
Apr 10 21:56:39 <DocScrutinizer05> joerg@vcs:~$ ll -dn /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/
Apr 10 21:56:41 <DocScrutinizer05> drwxrwxr-x 2 1005 1005 4096 Apr  9 05:18 /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle//
Apr 10 21:57:07 <DocScrutinizer05> who changed group of /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/ ?
Apr 10 21:57:32 <DocScrutinizer05> oops echan
Apr 10 21:58:43 <n900user> Anyone know if beejive works with nokia n900?
Apr 10 22:11:41 <BigBoxDriver> Been there, done that -- da ich aus dem Bereich komme und das nicht die erste community ist die ich (mit) hochziehe bin ich so arrogant und glaube entsprechende Beratungsleistung liefern zu dürfen. <grin>.  Wie es dann umgesetzt wird müssen wir halt noch sehen. Und wenn wir wo was "sharen" können um einfach davon/dadurch nen fliegenden Start hinzubekommen - warum nicht? Ich hab schon zu viele Wikis sterben sehen weil nur ein, zwei 
Apr 10 22:12:22 <BigBoxDriver> Sorry - wrong channel
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