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Apr 11 14:31:38 <Drathir> ~[6~[6~hi..
Apr 11 14:37:13 <Drathir> grrr... only Hi should be...
Apr 11 14:56:37 <DocScrutinizer05> however looks funny
Apr 11 14:58:07 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody wants to verify https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ cert?
Apr 11 14:58:32 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, working (tested with wget)
Apr 11 14:58:52 <DocScrutinizer05> (vcs.m.o pending, should arrive shortly)
Apr 11 14:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: your tests seem flawed
Apr 11 14:59:26 <DocScrutinizer05> you tested yesterday and said "all ok" whle we hadn't installed any proper certs yet
Apr 11 14:59:48 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, yesterday wget refused to download that page
Apr 11 15:00:12 <Pali> now wget downloaded it without problem
Apr 11 15:00:16 <Pali> and without any warning
Apr 11 15:00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever, I'd prefer somebody testing in a proper browser
Apr 11 15:00:44 <fizzie> Verified by StartCom Ltd, says MicroB. (Is that a proper browser, though?)
Apr 11 15:00:46 <Pali> ok :-)
Apr 11 15:01:08 <DocScrutinizer05> proper enough, I'd think
Apr 11 15:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Apr 11 15:19:53 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody wants to verify https://vcs.maemo.org/ cert?
Apr 11 15:20:48 <DocScrutinizer05> hell, this one been pending for a while it seems ;-)
Apr 11 15:21:15 <Pali> with wget working
Apr 11 15:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> good, for this one wget is the right test :-D
Apr 11 15:22:06 <Pali> now trying: $ git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power
Apr 11 15:22:14 <Pali> working :-)
Apr 11 15:22:17 <DocScrutinizer05> oh yes, please!
Apr 11 15:22:25 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Apr 11 15:22:30 <Pali> (without GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1)
Apr 11 15:23:51 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, why it was so fast??
Apr 11 15:23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> so we should've done another good chunk of work to establish "normal operation"
Apr 11 15:24:01 <Pali> nokia was not able to fix ssl cert for year
Apr 11 15:24:13 <DocScrutinizer05> nokia didn't bother
Apr 11 15:26:10 <DocScrutinizer05> whole shit took me ~6h, incl learning about SSL certs in general, and finding out about how to deal with startcom web interface and whatnot
Apr 11 15:27:36 <DocScrutinizer05> meanwhile we hopefully fixed a major issue with our NFS mounts that borked quite a lot of stuff, mainly cssu uploads
Apr 11 15:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> So I tend to already call it a week
Apr 11 15:28:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm quite worried anout woody not showing up since sunday
Apr 11 15:28:26 <SpeedEvil> woo!
Apr 11 15:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> about*
Apr 11 15:28:37 <SpeedEvil> congrats.
Apr 11 15:29:14 <DocScrutinizer05> SpeedEvil: thanks
Apr 11 15:30:12 <DocScrutinizer05> though some workpkgs leave to be done yet: remove *patch pkgs from extras and extras-testing
Apr 11 15:30:21 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: ^^^ coud you do that?
Apr 11 15:30:28 <DocScrutinizer05> could* even
Apr 11 16:16:31 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, cert on https://www.maemo.org is still not valid
Apr 11 16:16:44 <Pali> wget error: ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches
Apr 11 16:18:24 <sixwheeledbeast> I get (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
Apr 11 16:29:08 <merlin1991>  sixwheeledbeast that's the same
Apr 11 16:30:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: that will not be valid for quite some time still
Apr 11 16:30:42 <Pali> why?
Apr 11 16:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> because... I mentioned it in bug #12689
Apr 11 16:31:16 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12689 https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs
Apr 11 16:31:31 <Pali> this is not problem
Apr 11 16:31:50 <Pali> you need correct ssl cert with domain www.maemo.org
Apr 11 16:32:26 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq do you think I did try&error and picked my nose last 6h I been busy about certs?
Apr 11 16:33:37 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1335465&postcount=54   https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689
Apr 11 16:33:38 <povbot> 04Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs
Apr 11 16:36:22 <DocScrutinizer05> if you want a detailed explanation why www.m.o has wrong cert: we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain
Apr 11 16:36:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, that is not problem
Apr 11 16:36:59 <Pali> browsers sending hostname in SSL hello message
Apr 11 16:37:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and the cert we have for *.m.o is valid for m.o and b.m.o only, since we can't get wildcard certs for free
Apr 11 16:37:16 <Pali> and web servers supports that too
Apr 11 16:38:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: honestly!! either suggest a fix, aka "send a patch", or don't pester me
Apr 11 16:38:29 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, I really do not know your infra, but apache support it
Apr 11 16:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> what in >>we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain<< didn't you understand?
Apr 11 16:40:54 <DocScrutinizer05>  /etc/midgard/apache/vhosts/000_maemo.org_443
Apr 11 16:41:10 <DocScrutinizer05> www.m.o is handled by this vhost
Apr 11 16:42:06 <DocScrutinizer05> rather https:www.m.o is
Apr 11 16:42:15 <DocScrutinizer05> (_443)
Apr 11 17:29:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: sorry, I'm in a foul mood today
Apr 11 17:29:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: thanks for reporting
Apr 11 18:49:43 <BCMM> is there any way to force the n900 to fast-charge? i.e. tell it "pretend d+ and d- are shorted"?
Apr 11 18:50:43 <Pali> BCMM, with bme replacement yes
Apr 11 18:50:48 <BCMM> i have a powered usb hub that i know is OK with high current draw, but no computer to do negotiation
Apr 11 18:51:15 <BCMM> Pali: is that ready for actual use?
Apr 11 18:51:34 <Pali> BCMM, it is still experimental
Apr 11 18:51:55 <Pali> but if you have kernel-power v52 you can stop BME and switch to kernel driver charging
Apr 11 18:52:16 <Pali> bq2415x_charger driver has sysfs node "mode" where you can set also dedicated (fastcharger) mode
Apr 11 18:52:53 <BCMM> Pali: i have -power52, do you have a link with information on doing that?
Apr 11 18:53:24 <BCMM> something like stopping the bme process then instructing kernel over sysfs?
Apr 11 18:54:03 <Pali> BCMM, some info is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html
Apr 11 18:54:10 <Pali> but it may be old
Apr 11 18:55:00 <BCMM> Pali: any potential breakage from stopping bme i should know about? will it permit overcharge or anything like that?
Apr 11 18:55:01 <Pali> use echo off > ... (instead echo none) for disabling charger
Apr 11 18:55:35 <Pali> BCMM, everything is possible, you have been warned
Apr 11 18:55:54 <Pali> as root via sysfs you can do anything with bq2415x chip
Apr 11 18:56:37 <BCMM> Pali: i mean, will just stopping bme cause dangerousness?
Apr 11 18:56:38 <Pali> but by default there are safe limits set
Apr 11 18:57:03 <Pali> BCMM, stopping bme could not be dangerous
Apr 11 18:57:30 <BCMM> so in theory, stop bme; modprobe bq2415x_charger; echo dedicated > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a-0/mode should be safe?
Apr 11 18:57:55 <BCMM> (and should force behavious similar to shorting data pins)?
Apr 11 18:57:56 <Pali> if internal watchdog in bq2415x chip will not be reseted in 30s, chip will automatically enter some "security" mode
Apr 11 18:58:10 <Pali> and allow only emergency charging
Apr 11 18:58:21 <BCMM> thanks
Apr 11 18:58:31 <BCMM> Pali: oh two more questions
Apr 11 18:58:51 <BCMM> how do i get back to normal operation? rmmod the driver and start bme?
Apr 11 18:58:52 <Pali> BCMM, dedicated mode only set max current limit to unlimited
Apr 11 18:59:05 <Pali> BCMM, yes, make sure you rmmoded driver
Apr 11 18:59:23 <Pali> wait about 30-60 seconds (so chip will be reseted) and then start bme
Apr 11 18:59:45 <BCMM> also, will the battery indicator update without bme or will i have to check charging progress with sysfs somehow?
Apr 11 19:00:17 <Pali> BCMM, if you have battery applet from CSSU, it will be updated (but with 30s delay)
Apr 11 19:00:31 <Pali> if you have stock nokia it will not be updated
Apr 11 19:00:35 <BCMM> i'm on cssu, is the applet replacement in by default?
Apr 11 19:00:49 <Pali> it is in cssu-devel
Apr 11 19:00:53 <Pali> and maybe in cssu-testing
Apr 11 19:01:29 <Pali> run: $ apt-cache policy status-area-applet-battery
Apr 11 19:01:35 <Pali> and see which version you have
Apr 11 19:01:39 <BCMM> Pali: i have to go now - thanks very much, i'm away for a few days with only this "charger" and you may have just made it bearable
Apr 11 19:01:45 <Pali> version 1.0 is new CSSU version
Apr 11 19:02:14 <BCMM> Pali: Installed: 0.1.24+0m5
Apr 11 19:02:14 <tanago> pali, did you see that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1334628&postcount=379 ?
Apr 11 19:02:19 <BCMM> nokia version?
Apr 11 19:02:29 <Pali> BCMM, yes nokia version
Apr 11 19:02:56 <BCMM> hmm i should really go but is there a way to get that on cssu testing?
Apr 11 19:03:14 <Pali> tanago, do you have bme replacement or nokia bme?
Apr 11 19:03:36 <Pali> BCMM, installing cssu deb package
Apr 11 19:03:50 <tanago> I'm running latest Cssu testing+devel+thumb packages
Apr 11 19:04:15 <Pali> tanago, so you are not using bme replacement?
Apr 11 19:04:48 <tanago> hmm I haven't heard of it, so i guess n, pali
Apr 11 19:04:56 <tanago> i guess not*
Apr 11 19:05:09 <Pali> ok, I will look at this problem later
Apr 11 19:05:26 <Pali> I think that problem will be in battery applet (and not in kernel)
Apr 11 19:05:33 <tanago> are you talking about bq27x00 module, pali?
Apr 11 19:05:46 <Pali> I saw more people on TMO which wrote this problem
Apr 11 19:06:08 <Pali> tanago, bme replacment is replacement of nokia userspace BME daemon which handling charging
Apr 11 19:06:20 <Pali> it is replaced by more kernel driver and one is bq27x00_battery
Apr 11 19:06:41 <Pali> ~bme-replacement
Apr 11 19:06:42 <infobot> from memory, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement  http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html  See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them!
Apr 11 19:07:19 <tanago> yes I dont use bq27x00 module, because 'bnf' doesnt work with it
Apr 11 19:07:50 <tanago> im on kp52
Apr 11 19:09:47 <Pali> tanago, then problem is in battery applet
Apr 11 19:09:53 <Pali> I will look at it
Apr 11 19:10:23 <tanago> this happened after the update 1 week ago if that will help you
Apr 11 19:10:51 <tanago> good luck, if there is anything I can help you, tell me
Apr 11 19:13:27 <eccerr0r> Anyone know how much more (or less) memory kernel-power uses statically? (discounting loadable modules)
Apr 11 19:14:40 <eccerr0r> compared to the stock kernel of course...
Apr 11 19:15:23 <Pali> eccerr0r, kernel-power should use same amount of memory as stock kernel
Apr 11 19:15:42 <Pali> but if you load additional modules, it could be more...
Apr 11 19:15:56 <Pali> but kernel does not eat lot of memory
Apr 11 19:15:57 <eccerr0r> hmmm.. okay.  I was kind of worried that xfs, etc. were statically compiled into the kernel to allow boot
Apr 11 19:16:04 <Pali> userspace application eating more...
Apr 11 19:16:24 <Pali> eccerr0r, I think that xfs is external module
Apr 11 19:16:28 <Pali> I can check it
Apr 11 19:16:47 <Pali> yes, xfs is external module
Apr 11 19:17:01 <Pali> eccerr0r, your root file system is ubifs on mtd
Apr 11 19:17:15 <eccerr0r> Ah good. Thanks.  I did not want xfs to be loaded because that's a huge module on x86
Apr 11 19:17:16 <Pali> so there is no need to statically link fs modules into kernel image
Apr 11 19:18:02 <Pali> eccerr0r, only two possible FS for nand devices are ubifs and jffs2
Apr 11 19:18:11 <Pali> and jffs2 is older then ubifs
Apr 11 19:18:15 <eccerr0r> just wanted to make sure only ubifs and ext3 possibly is installed
Apr 11 19:18:25 <eccerr0r> err...static that is.
Apr 11 19:18:34 <Pali> ext3 is also external module
Apr 11 19:18:49 <eccerr0r> That's fine.
Apr 11 19:19:27 <eccerr0r> I guess it's time to upgrade it then... Thanks!
Apr 11 19:19:50 <Pali> eccerr0r, look: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/rx51_defconfig.diff;hb=HEAD
Apr 11 19:20:07 <Pali> this is config diff between nokia stock and kernel-power (last=v52) kernel
Apr 11 19:21:05 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, https://wiki.maemo.org has bad ceritifate too
Apr 11 19:21:24 <Pali> and wiki is important
Apr 11 19:21:42 <tanago> does anybody know which process should I restart if I make changes to gdigicam-camerabin.conf in order to not restart the phone after each change>
Apr 11 19:21:47 <Pali> ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches
Apr 11 19:22:05 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: yes, and it's still same problem, and warfare just explained me that there's no way around it but having separate IP addr for each subdomain, or a wildcard cert
Apr 11 19:22:58 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, SNI is not possible?
Apr 11 19:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-04-11 21:21:30] <warfare> The Problem with SNI is, that it is quite new. And stuff breaks horribly if the client doesn't support it.
Apr 11 19:23:20 <Pali> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
Apr 11 19:24:01 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, it can be solutions for clients which support it
Apr 11 19:24:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm aware of the problem, I discussed it several times with our savvy sysops, and they tell me we can't fix it
Apr 11 19:25:07 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: Can you build certificate for wiki? I'll try to get SNI running. 
Apr 11 19:25:22 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: sure
Apr 11 19:25:30 <DocScrutinizer05> np
Apr 11 19:25:49 <Pali> from wiki list SNI support in browsers is good
Apr 11 19:26:14 <Pali> MicroB on Maemo :-)
Apr 11 19:26:20 <Pali> is on list
Apr 11 19:27:02 <Pali> warfare, if you are going to enable SNI on wiki, can you do it on www.maemo.org too?
Apr 11 19:27:13 <warfare> Pali: I'll try. 
Apr 11 19:27:27 <Pali> ok
Apr 11 19:27:37 <Pali> warfare, what are problems with SNI?
Apr 11 19:27:38 <warfare> Pali: but www is a different beast with all the midgard stuff. 
Apr 11 19:27:58 <Pali> only client browsers?
Apr 11 19:28:03 <warfare> Pali: QT until 4.8, Python, Java until 1.7
Apr 11 19:28:12 <warfare> Pali: mostly clients. 
Apr 11 19:28:27 <DocScrutinizer05> The common name of this certificate will be set to wiki.maemo.org.
Apr 11 19:28:28 <DocScrutinizer05> The certificate will have the following host names supported:
Apr 11 19:28:30 <DocScrutinizer05>     maemo.org
Apr 11 19:28:31 <DocScrutinizer05>     wiki.maemo.org
Apr 11 19:29:19 <DocScrutinizer05> You successfully finished the process for your certificate. However your certificate request has been marked for approval by our personnel. Please wait for a mail notification from us within the next 3 hours (the most). We might contact you for further questions or issue the certificate within that time. Thank you for your understanding!
Apr 11 19:30:33 <warfare> Oh :) Tripped their threshhold?
Apr 11 19:30:49 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: if you want to start with downloads.m.o or www.m.o or planet.m.o, I already created all needed stuff for all those
Apr 11 19:31:10 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I trip their threshold every single time
Apr 11 19:31:41 <DocScrutinizer05> so, net time spent into this is >30h now
Apr 11 19:31:54 <DocScrutinizer05> most of it waiting for shit
Apr 11 19:32:01 <DocScrutinizer05> twiddling thumbs
Apr 11 19:33:17 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, still Nokia own maemo.org domain?
Apr 11 19:33:22 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Apr 11 19:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> host -a maemo.org
Apr 11 19:34:01 <DocScrutinizer05> whois maemo.org
Apr 11 19:34:31 <DocScrutinizer05> but we're about to transfer scratchbox.org to our domain of control
Apr 11 19:34:34 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
Apr 11 19:34:52 <thedead1440> \o/ finally :D :D
Apr 11 19:36:06 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, in vcs.maemo.org cert is missing O and OU, it is OK?
Apr 11 19:36:22 <DocScrutinizer05> that's how class1 certs look like
Apr 11 19:36:33 <Pali> ok
Apr 11 19:37:01 <DocScrutinizer05> O and OU are _not_ verified for class1, that's why you can get such a class1 cert for a domain you don't "own"
Apr 11 19:37:44 <DocScrutinizer05> that's also why those certs are for free, since nobody human ever touches them (usually)
Apr 11 19:38:21 <Pali> but CA is trusted
Apr 11 19:38:36 <DocScrutinizer05> while for a class2 cert with O verification you already have to pay ~100 bucks, for *processing* it, IOW for manual verification
Apr 11 19:39:43 <DocScrutinizer05> oops 60 bucks
Apr 11 19:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.startssl.com/?app=40
Apr 11 19:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> StartSSL™ Organization Verified
Apr 11 19:43:13 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, at least git working without any problem with this maemo cert
Apr 11 19:43:41 <Pali> no need to hack git to accept untrusted cert
Apr 11 19:45:47 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Your certificate with serial number 650683 has been signed and is available at the Control Panel <<
Apr 11 19:47:07 <DocScrutinizer05> wiki.maemo.org (server - Class1 - 2014-04-11
Apr 11 19:47:09 <DocScrutinizer05> )
Apr 11 19:48:20 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: done
Apr 11 19:48:47 <BCMM> Pali: where can i find the .deb for the cssu battery applet? alternatively, how can i monitor charging from the command line?
Apr 11 19:49:06 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: find wiki.m.o key and cert at usual location
Apr 11 19:49:20 <Pali> BCMM, cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27x00_battery/capacity
Apr 11 19:49:28 <BCMM> Pali: thx
Apr 11 19:49:38 <Pali> s/bq27x00_battery/bq27200-1/
Apr 11 19:49:40 <infobot> Pali meant: BCMM, cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-1/capacity
Apr 11 19:49:50 <Pali> or similar, I do not remember
Apr 11 19:50:08 <Pali> BCMM, you need to load bq27x00_battery kernel driver
Apr 11 19:50:29 <Pali> you can see more properties in that folder
Apr 11 19:50:43 <DocScrutinizer05> only on BME-replacement powerkernels!
Apr 11 19:51:08 <Pali> BCMM, you need to stop bme before loading driver
Apr 11 19:51:21 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise loading that module will cause reboots or even bootloops
Apr 11 19:51:41 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you stop bme ;-)
Apr 11 19:51:56 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: -power52 ok?
Apr 11 19:52:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ask pali ;-)
Apr 11 19:52:26 <Pali> BCMM, yes kp52 (last) is ok
Apr 11 19:53:11 <BCMM> ok i guess i'm going to test charging now
Apr 11 19:53:22 <warfare> wiki over https breaks in interesting ways. 
Apr 11 19:53:36 <BCMM> Pali: how will i know it's working?
Apr 11 19:54:00 <Pali> BCMM, what if working?
Apr 11 19:55:04 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: interesting enough to have a look?
Apr 11 19:55:48 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: Yes, but not today. Some stylesheets are not loading. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. 
Apr 11 19:56:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not surprised, ther are quite a bunch of weird rewrite rules in all our vhosts
Apr 11 19:57:05 <BCMM> Pali: how do i tell if it's actually charging?
Apr 11 19:57:21 <Pali> BCMM, load bq27x00_battery kernel driver
Apr 11 19:57:32 <DocScrutinizer05> BCMM: pretty simple: if you stopped bme, it *is* *not* charging ;-D
Apr 11 19:57:44 <Pali> and look to cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq272...
Apr 11 19:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> of coruse your're free to use
Apr 11 19:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k-detail
Apr 11 19:58:00 <infobot> i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2
Apr 11 19:58:06 <DocScrutinizer05> even on powerkernel
Apr 11 19:58:19 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you loaded bq27x00_battery
Apr 11 19:58:33 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, he is using bq2415x_charger module
Apr 11 19:58:42 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, then probably not
Apr 11 19:58:57 <kerio> you could use bq27k.py!
Apr 11 19:59:07 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: btw what i'm trying to do is charge from this usb hub without a computer
Apr 11 19:59:12 <Pali> but your script should work if bq27x00_battery is not loaded
Apr 11 19:59:25 <kerio> BCMM: why doesn't it work?
Apr 11 19:59:48 <BCMM> kerio: no host to do usb power negotiation
Apr 11 19:59:57 <BCMM> and no h,shorted data pins
Apr 11 20:00:00 <DocScrutinizer05> BCMM: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh
Apr 11 20:00:04 <kerio> hm
Apr 11 20:00:20 <kerio> BCMM: load bq2415x_charger and set mode to host
Apr 11 20:00:29 <kerio> or even dedicated, if you /know for sure/ that the usb hub can provide 1A
Apr 11 20:00:35 <DocScrutinizer05> should probably work with dumb chargers and hubs as well
Apr 11 20:00:45 <BCMM> kerio: i have run a raspi off it
Apr 11 20:01:05 <BCMM> i know it can source a decent amount of current over a single port
Apr 11 20:01:48 <kerio> yeah but overcurrenting it will eventually break it
Apr 11 20:02:10 <BCMM> kerio: will break the hub? why?
Apr 11 20:02:16 <kerio> my sheevaplug's power supply is so fragile, it breaks if you so much think about drawing more than 500mA from the usb port
Apr 11 20:02:22 <DocScrutinizer05> most cheap hubs connect all VUSB pins of downstream ports with one rail. The better ones even have a 2A fuse on the line to power supply plug
Apr 11 20:02:25 <kerio> (no overcharge protection)
Apr 11 20:02:38 <BCMM> it's on the list of suitable hubs for the raspbeery pi and it has a 2A power adapter
Apr 11 20:02:51 <kerio> mmh, then it's probably fine i guess
Apr 11 20:03:23 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: my hub looks to have a rail; had to mod it to stop it back-power pi (but getting offtopic...)
Apr 11 20:03:46 <BCMM> it looks like i have three methods now...
Apr 11 20:04:07 <Pali> RPI needs 0.8A?
Apr 11 20:04:28 <BCMM> by the way, given an unlimited power source, how much current will the n900 draw?
Apr 11 20:04:39 <kerio> BCMM: depends on who asks
Apr 11 20:04:46 <kerio> bme is... 900mA? i think
Apr 11 20:04:58 <kerio> anyway, in the neighbourhood of 1A
Apr 11 20:05:17 <kerio> you shouldn't charge the battery at more than... 900, iirc
Apr 11 20:05:45 <BCMM> anyway it seems like i've been given about three suggestions now, for how to force the n900 to charge with no USB host to negotiate with
Apr 11 20:06:08 <BCMM> i'm not sure which approach to go with...
Apr 11 20:13:30 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: Iusb=(Psystem+900Ibat*3.8Ubat)/Uusb
Apr 11 20:13:55 <kerio> wat
Apr 11 20:14:26 <BCMM> Pali: sorry, kind of forgot what i was doing. do i want to use "dedicated" mode here?
Apr 11 20:15:02 <Pali> dedicated mode has unlimited current
Apr 11 20:15:25 <Pali> for wallchargers
Apr 11 20:15:44 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: in short: current on USB != charging current of battery
Apr 11 20:16:08 <kerio> well yeah
Apr 11 20:16:25 <BCMM> Pali: so when using a "dumb" supply, it should have similar effects to using auto-mode with shorted data pins?
Apr 11 20:16:34 <kerio> BCMM: it'll be the same
Apr 11 20:16:38 <BCMM> thanks
Apr 11 20:16:44 <kerio> which means that the "dumb" supply might be damaged by the power draw
Apr 11 20:17:08 <kerio> especially if it's dumb enough to not have overcurrent protection
Apr 11 20:17:24 <BCMM> kerio: it's labelled 2.0A
Apr 11 20:18:03 <kerio> then... it should be fine?
Apr 11 20:18:22 <BCMM> and while i suppose it's possible that individual ports on the hub would object to sourcing over .5, plenty of raspi users say the hub is OK with that
Apr 11 20:18:29 <BCMM> s/ports/sockets/
Apr 11 20:18:30 <infobot> BCMM meant: and while i suppose it's possible that individual sockets on the hub would object to sourcing over .5, plenty of raspi users say the hub is OK with that
Apr 11 20:23:43 <BCMM> Pali: just reading log, i need bq27x00_battery as well as bq27x00_charger to monitor charging?
Apr 11 20:24:21 <Pali> bq2415x_charger is needed for charging and bq27x00_battery for info about charging/discharging
Apr 11 20:25:09 <BCMM> Pali: thanks. is the capacity node measured in %, and does it update while charging is hapening?
Apr 11 20:25:43 <Pali> BCMM, capacity node is in % and is updated when you cat that file
Apr 11 20:25:58 <Pali> you can cat uevent file
Apr 11 20:26:00 <Macer> nice
Apr 11 20:26:03 <Macer> my new n900 showed up
Apr 11 20:26:07 <Macer> that was actually kind of quick
Apr 11 20:26:07 <BCMM> Pali: thanks!
Apr 11 20:26:09 <Pali> which as all properties in one file
Apr 11 20:27:10 <BCMM> Pali: is POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW estimated completion in seconds?
Apr 11 20:27:27 <Macer> hm
Apr 11 20:27:29 <Pali> yes
Apr 11 20:28:12 <Macer> hm
Apr 11 20:28:13 <Pali> units are uAh/uA/uV/s/%
Apr 11 20:28:14 <Macer> looks legit
Apr 11 20:28:15 <Macer> lol
Apr 11 20:28:25 <Macer> let me throw the sim in and fire this bad boy up :)
Apr 11 20:28:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah!! give cherry an chance ;-P
Apr 11 20:29:18 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Apr 11 20:29:21 <Macer> n900 can import sim numbers right?
Apr 11 20:29:38 <DocScrutinizer05> it can even send stealth SMS
Apr 11 20:29:45 <Macer> lol
Apr 11 20:29:51 <Macer> but can it send mms? :-P
Apr 11 20:29:59 <BCMM> Macer: yes, it can import sim contacts
Apr 11 20:30:00 <DocScrutinizer05> see fmms
Apr 11 20:30:08 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: i know. i was joking
Apr 11 20:30:34 <BCMM> Macer: cannot remember how but i believe it involved extra software (not the contacts app)
Apr 11 20:30:46 <Macer> omg seriously? lol
Apr 11 20:30:51 <Macer> it can't jsut do it on its own? :)
Apr 11 20:31:00 <BCMM> Macer: nope contacts app does it and i'm wrong
Apr 11 20:31:30 <BCMM> Macer: menu - get contacts - copy from sim card
Apr 11 20:31:31 <Macer> well it's been a while since i've had a functional n900
Apr 11 20:32:05 <BCMM> the thing it does *not* do is display them, at all, before you do that
Apr 11 20:32:34 <Macer> oh that'sf ine
Apr 11 20:32:39 <Macer> i just need to copy them over
Apr 11 20:32:53 <Macer> so i don't spend 5 hours copying phone numbers ;)
Apr 11 20:33:24 <kerio> >no sync with a computer
Apr 11 20:33:28 <kerio> >2013
Apr 11 20:33:36 <kerio> i don't even
Apr 11 20:34:14 <Macer> how cute. it had the battery in the device.... dead
Apr 11 20:34:15 <Macer> lol
Apr 11 20:34:30 <Macer> i'm wondering if i should just swap batteries out my old one or just use the one that came with it
Apr 11 20:34:41 <Macer> it has a solid amber :) guess i can just walk away for an hour or so
Apr 11 20:35:08 <Macer> and some knockoff chinese nokia headphones.. that's not too promising
Apr 11 20:37:30 <Macer> wow it's a real toss up as to which n900 is the refurbished knockoff
Apr 11 20:37:36 <Macer> if i were to guess i'd say the brand new on i jsut got lol
Apr 11 20:40:02 <Macer> wth? something is different
Apr 11 20:42:29 <fasta> DocScrutinizer05: aren't stealth sms messages used in tracking criminals?
Apr 11 20:43:36 <Macer> damn
Apr 11 20:43:41 <Macer> forgot how awesome the n900 was to use lol
Apr 11 20:43:54 <fasta> DocScrutinizer05: or can you unstealth them?
Apr 11 20:44:44 * Macer ponders if he should use the cssu unstable heh
Apr 11 20:44:57 <Macer> i don't think nowadays it matters does it?
Apr 11 20:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> fasta: this is another type of stealth SMS. It's hidden from you despite you send it and pay for it
Apr 11 20:45:30 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu-unsatble???
Apr 11 20:45:39 <fasta> DocScrutinizer05: because the n900 runs old and outdated software?
Apr 11 20:45:45 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: how on earth does it work legally with people that are charged per sms anyway?
Apr 11 20:45:46 <fasta> DocScrutinizer05: in particular the kernel?
Apr 11 20:46:01 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: heh i was joking. i meant testing
Apr 11 20:46:26 <fasta> DocScrutinizer05: anyway, I need more information to understand what you are talking about. It seems kind of a big deal if that's possible.
Apr 11 20:50:36 <BCMM> Pali: sorry conversation has scrolled out of xchat's history... to get back to normal operation, i need to unload modules, wait a bit, then "start bme" - is that right?
Apr 11 20:50:49 <Macer> omg i missed telepathy
Apr 11 20:51:01 <Macer> symbian bell is awesome but the txting and email apps make you want to throw it into a wall
Apr 11 20:51:11 <Pali> BCMM, yes, unload all bq* modules
Apr 11 20:51:36 <BCMM> Pali: how long do i wait before starting bme again?
Apr 11 20:51:51 <BCMM> (i'm writing a shell script now so i don't forget again)
Apr 11 20:52:08 <Pali> if you are not connected charger you do not need to wait
Apr 11 20:52:46 <Pali> if you have connected charger you can wait for yellow led
Apr 11 20:53:19 <Pali> but if you wait 40s bq24 chip should be resetted
Apr 11 20:53:48 <BCMM> Pali: i'm trying to script it - 40s will always be enough?
Apr 11 20:54:17 <BCMM> also, what will happen if i start bme straight away with charger still connected?
Apr 11 20:54:29 <Pali> BCMM, I think yes. Also if you have normal charger bme should work immediately without waiting
Apr 11 20:54:29 <BCMM> fire? bme crash? something in between?
Apr 11 20:55:09 <Pali> BCMM, if charger is OK noting should happen
Apr 11 20:56:15 <Macer> yeah but the real question is the facebook contacts integration going to work??
Apr 11 20:56:16 <Macer> lol
Apr 11 20:56:24 <BCMM> Pali: i do not really understand...
Apr 11 20:56:41 <BCMM> but if i put in a 40s delay i don't have to worry?
Apr 11 20:57:00 <Pali> yes
Apr 11 20:57:23 <BCMM> Pali: thanks
Apr 11 20:57:40 <Pali> if you wait 40s bq chip will be resetted to state as on boot
Apr 11 20:59:16 <BCMM> Pali: ah, with no software in charge, the chip resets to managing itself, and bme expects to find that situation when it starts?
Apr 11 20:59:42 <BCMM> (i mean "in command" by "in charge")
Apr 11 20:59:43 <Pali> BCMM, nobody knows what bme exactly doing and what needs...
Apr 11 20:59:55 <BCMM> heh, fair enough
Apr 11 21:00:13 <BCMM> thanks for your help, i think i have what i need to charge now
Apr 11 21:01:09 <BCMM> (i've gone on holiday, abroad, without a real wall charger. this information is very useful to me)
Apr 11 21:07:31 <DocScrutinizer05> BCMM: don't worry about resetting bq24150 chip, bme will reset it
Apr 11 21:08:06 <DocScrutinizer05> BCMM: no wait needed
Apr 11 21:08:33 <DocScrutinizer05> bme will detect when status of chip is not as supposed to be and will re-initialize it
Apr 11 21:10:12 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: so rmmod bqwhatever; start bme is safe?
Apr 11 21:10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> sigh
Apr 11 21:10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> oops ECHAN
Apr 11 21:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> BCMM: yes
Apr 11 21:10:33 <BCMM> thanks!
Apr 11 21:13:29 <BOY77X> http://www.reddit.com/r/XXXBITCHINBEACHXXX/comments/1c5t0e/beautiful_girl_big_boobs_beautiful_face_wonderful/
Apr 11 21:15:59 <Macer> i sure wish conversations was tabbed
Apr 11 21:17:08 <fmunozs> you are bannying 254 inocent users
Apr 11 21:17:22 <Macer> lol
Apr 11 21:17:37 <Macer> who the hell spams #maemo?? hahaha
Apr 11 21:17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> bot
Apr 11 21:17:48 <Macer> doesn't seem a very high profile place
Apr 11 21:17:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~chaninfo
Apr 11 21:17:58 <infobot> 125/125 channels, 5225 users, 3815 unique: #debian/1328, #kde/417, #gsoc/370, #maemo/253, #asterisk/209, #oe/151, #wowuidev/134, #meego/130, #arm-netbook/129, #harmattan/124, #cubieboard/112, #wowace/106, #utah/93, #webos-internals/92, #wowhead/87, #openmoko/81, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #bzflag/67, #tomcat/63, #edev/62, #uclibc/57, #asterisk-dev/56, #/50, #maemo-ssu/50, #sc2mapster/47, #htc-linux/47, #uphpu/45, #curseforge/44, #n9/43, #slug/32, ...
Apr 11 21:18:22 <M4rtinK> we are 4th
Apr 11 21:18:23 <M4rtinK> nice
Apr 11 21:18:25 <Macer> wow
Apr 11 21:19:06 <Macer> hm. kubuntu update should be out soon
Apr 11 21:19:12 <Macer> speaking of kde heh
Apr 11 21:19:28 <Macer> there is no way to tab conversations huh?
Apr 11 21:19:35 <Macer> so you don't have like 5 open txt windows? :) 
Apr 11 21:20:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd bet it's a drive-by-virulent site
Apr 11 21:20:42 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer05: is screen backlight becoming very dim until i lock/unlock an expected side-effect of starting up bme?
Apr 11 21:20:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Apr 11 21:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> actually off
Apr 11 21:21:27 <DocScrutinizer05> you can restart mce to fix it
Apr 11 21:21:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Apr 11 21:22:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so far nobody has had a good story *why* this happens
Apr 11 21:25:23 <kerio> bme replacement fixes that! :D
Apr 11 21:27:08 <cehteh> i mostly hate that the notification light goes off in bright daylight, wtf-bug
Apr 11 21:27:56 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, but not bme-related
Apr 11 21:28:25 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: I bet it fixes that, but aren't you worried WHY it fixes that?
Apr 11 21:28:42 <kerio> because it never stops talking with mce
Apr 11 21:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather guess it never starts talking with mce ;-P
Apr 11 21:30:47 <DocScrutinizer05> cehteh: you know what I think? kit might be a one-off or overrun / signed-vs-unsigned problem in mce's lp5523 control module
Apr 11 21:33:38 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer05: nah .. i really want to believe that some nokia dev wanted to make the notification led brightness ambient light sensitive and got dumped before he finished/fixed that idea
Apr 11 21:34:34 <cehteh> duh .. if mce would be free software there would be soo much potential
Apr 11 21:34:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh right, it isn't environment aware unless it dims down - renders my explanation moot
Apr 11 21:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> s/environment/ALS/
Apr 11 21:35:16 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: ooh right, it isn't ALS aware unless it dims down - renders my explanation moot
Apr 11 21:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> though there's a simple "workaround" to cover ALS when locking screen, it's still annoying like hell
Apr 11 21:35:52 <cehteh> allowing extra bright flashes by driving the current up for patterns with short pulses for example
Apr 11 21:36:19 <cehteh> ah i didnt know that worksaround
Apr 11 21:37:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess it's a buffer overrun of the kbd backlight dimming
Apr 11 21:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> or a silly joke
Apr 11 21:39:17 <DocScrutinizer05> first approach for investigations: strace mce and check what it sends to /dev/i2c*
Apr 11 21:40:26 <Macer> ah well... let me go ahead and install cssu testing
Apr 11 21:40:36 <Macer> and enjoy my new (and functional) n900 heh
Apr 11 22:04:14 <Macer> hm
Apr 11 22:04:20 <Macer> cssu doesn't have built in snap to grid stuff?
Apr 11 22:07:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Macer: snap to grid. it should have
Apr 11 22:09:06 <DocScrutinizer05> cssu has all the features of standard maemo
Apr 11 22:09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> except if you consider bugs features you'd miss
Apr 11 22:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> even for the bugs we try to find a way to keep them for those who love them for a weird reason, rather we make them optional ;-)
Apr 11 22:11:40 <sixwheeledbeast> lol, it does seem like that. but it's nice to have options.
Apr 11 22:12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> what we not keep are bugs with clearly no possibly positive or exploitable side effects at all, like increased battery consumption in hildon-desktop when menu in applauncher is too short
Apr 11 22:14:09 <DocScrutinizer05> or fs-corruption, or stuff like that
Apr 11 22:14:21 <sixwheeledbeast> oh you just reminded me of something I noticed.
Apr 11 22:15:43 <sixwheeledbeast> In app launcher, edit mode. the font is always Nokia Sans and not system font.
Apr 11 22:17:03 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Apr 11 22:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I never use applauncher edit mode, so I can't say anything about it
Apr 11 22:18:24 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: yeah ok so i still need to install teh tweak stuff to snap to grid? 
Apr 11 22:18:27 <Macer> heh
Apr 11 22:18:59 <Macer> i'm just glad to have telepathy/conversations back
Apr 11 22:19:02 <Macer> good stuff :) 
Apr 11 22:19:25 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, probably you will need to enable snap-to-grid just like on stock HD
Apr 11 22:20:45 <DocScrutinizer05> nd I thhink there's been another bug we didn't bother to keep: reboot/bootloop on snapgrid width = 0
Apr 11 22:21:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not 100% sure though, so test on your own peril
Apr 11 22:22:18 <sixwheeledbeast> I thought snap-to-grid was 4 as default
Apr 11 22:22:38 <DocScrutinizer05> who cares about default?
Apr 11 22:22:53 <DocScrutinizer05> also 4???
Apr 11 22:23:01 <sixwheeledbeast> so 4 = enabled, no?
Apr 11 22:23:04 <DocScrutinizer05> 4 what? pixel?
Apr 11 22:23:46 <sixwheeledbeast> I guess, well it's not elephants. ;)
Apr 11 22:24:14 <Macer> haha
Apr 11 22:25:23 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Edit_Mode
Apr 11 22:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> nm, I thought I've seen or heard about a dedicated grid pitch setting and another setting to enable/disable it. Now in tweaker that looks different
Apr 11 22:29:18 <sixwheeledbeast> anyway, bed for me night all.
Apr 11 22:43:43 <Macer> so i have to change teh gps server to supl.google.com?
Apr 11 22:43:57 <Macer> is there no nokia drive for n900? 
Apr 11 22:43:59 <Macer> ovi maps is horrid
Apr 11 22:44:55 <ManoftheSea> Macer: or another A-GPS server.
Apr 11 22:46:26 <Macer> so fmms is the only way to send mms still huh?
Apr 11 22:46:33 <Macer> it was never merged into conversations? 
Apr 11 22:53:01 <BCMM> Macer: i use maperro for routing
Apr 11 22:53:35 <BCMM> it's currently broken due to a change in google's api (i think); see forums for patched version not in repos
Apr 11 22:54:16 <BCMM> also, anybody got a recommendation for another routing map program? maperro is a little heavy on cpu
Apr 11 22:55:05 <kerio> surely, monav's routing
Apr 11 22:55:17 <kerio> modrana uses it, if you want
Apr 11 23:04:31 <Macer> heh
Apr 11 23:04:37 <Macer> is the n900 ovi store dead?
Apr 11 23:15:34 <BCMM> kerio: does it do voice?
Apr 11 23:19:53 <Macer> woop
Apr 11 23:20:07 <Macer> back in xterm on my n900!!
Apr 11 23:44:53 <BCMM> is kernel power included in cssu?
Apr 11 23:46:21 <BCMM> nm, this phone isn't up to date
Apr 11 23:51:19 <Macer> nice
Apr 11 23:51:28 <Macer> all i have to do now is just make it perfectly customized :)
Apr 11 23:51:35 <Macer> i forgot how awesome an n900 was lol
Apr 11 23:51:42 <Macer> i need to get a pay by the day sim for my e7 tho :-/
Apr 12 00:07:33 <trumee> ~ping
Apr 12 00:07:34 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 12 00:22:46 <Macer> well hopefully the bt dun works correctly
Apr 12 00:22:58 <Macer> don't see why it would be difficult at all to get working but i guess i will find out later :)
Apr 12 00:25:51 <eccerr0r> i wonder if they fixed bt dun in networkmanager...
Apr 12 00:27:52 <eccerr0r> usb dialup works fine in gentoo networkmanger... was disappointed that bluetooth did not without a patch...
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