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Apr 16 03:00:00 <rikanee> It's highly device-dependent.
Apr 16 03:00:10 <troulouliou_dev> rikanee, ho ok
Apr 16 03:00:24 <wookey> DocScrutinizer05: I didn;t see a reply from you, (I did ask a couple of days ago). Apologies for missing it
Apr 16 03:01:52 <troulouliou_dev> anybody planningthe dropbox api migration here for dropn900 or i  can go on :)
Apr 16 03:02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables
Apr 16 03:02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> troulouliou_dev: ^^^
Apr 16 03:02:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Apr 16 03:04:39 <wookey> Ah I see the hotswap is a little delicate :-)
Apr 16 03:04:41 <DocScrutinizer05> >>This method was invented by Joerg Reisenweber, and was since implemented practically by many community members. See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013978.html .<< \o/ eternal fame ;-P
Apr 16 03:05:23 <troulouliou_dev> DocScrutinizer05, yeah the "How to make a type A jack to a type A jack adapter" is nice ; i  scrounged some last week on old plate
Apr 16 03:05:59 <troulouliou_dev> cool
Apr 16 03:09:05 <DocScrutinizer05> wookey: when you follow the recommendations, it is basically safe
Apr 16 03:09:58 <DocScrutinizer05> MohammadAG used that method on a regular basis
Apr 16 03:13:07 <wookey> rikanee: yep - fsck has fixed it
Apr 16 03:13:14 <wookey> cheers
Apr 16 03:13:39 <wookey> I hadn't realised all my stuff was on such an unreliable fs
Apr 16 03:15:49 <wookey> hopefully this will fix various other wierdnesses
Apr 16 03:18:05 <DocScrutinizer05> general advice: fsck on mass-stroage-mode via PC
Apr 16 03:18:46 <DocScrutinizer05> often fsck on N900 natively with all the lots of available free storage (RAM) can take weeks (literally!)
Apr 16 03:19:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or- since swap is also on eMMC - it may fail epically
Apr 16 03:19:39 <rikanee> Anybody know how to use the g_mtp module?
Apr 16 03:19:51 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 16 03:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> never heard of
Apr 16 03:20:15 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05, with g_mtp, you could probably export a directory over USB as MTP storage
Apr 16 03:20:32 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, that would be awesome
Apr 16 03:20:51 <DocScrutinizer05> except for needed MTP client(?) on PC side
Apr 16 03:21:06 <rikanee> It's not direct block access from PC like Mass Storage mode, but it allows using MyDocs on more sane FS
Apr 16 03:21:31 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Apr 16 03:22:10 <rikanee> Yeah, a MTP client would be needed, unfortunately. But if you keep MyDocs on different partition, you could load g_file_storage instead, export the whole partition, and depend on ext* FS driver on host.
Apr 16 03:22:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard of users formatting their MyDocs as ext3 or even 4, and still exporting it via MSM
Apr 16 03:22:49 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: Windoze and OSX don't like that too much ;)
Apr 16 03:23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard everything except those doesn't like mtp too much
Apr 16 03:23:42 <DocScrutinizer05> since it has some really nasty excryption/authentication
Apr 16 03:23:45 <wookey> g+mtp would be gadget media tranfer protocol
Apr 16 03:24:08 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: that's MTZ, Microsoft's encumbered MTP rendition
Apr 16 03:24:12 <DocScrutinizer05> for which M$ keeps the secret key
Apr 16 03:24:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, maybe
Apr 16 03:24:40 <wookey> yeah normal MTP is fine on linux
Apr 16 03:24:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you're the expert ;-)
Apr 16 03:25:02 <rikanee> Plain MTP, also used by Android devices nowadays for the same reasons (unification of user storage) works pretty well on Windoze, Linux and OSX.
Apr 16 03:25:05 * wookey doesn;t care if my phone can;t talk to windows or mocosmachines. not much call for that
Apr 16 03:25:21 <rikanee> (***NOTE: OSX doesn't have a native MTP client, but Google's MTP client works well enough)
Apr 16 03:26:02 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I prefer sftp ;-)
Apr 16 03:26:04 <wookey> the USB storage model where the block device was exposed so the filesystem layout had to be understood was always un unsatisfying solution
Apr 16 03:26:26 <wookey> and has kept FAT going for another decade longer than it should
Apr 16 03:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> "sftp://iron900/" in konqueror, nothing beats that
Apr 16 03:27:06 <DocScrutinizer05> when it comes to ease of use and convenience
Apr 16 03:27:11 <rikanee> wookey, I guess UMS is good for recovery purposes, where you need to for example reload a partition layout or filesystem
Apr 16 03:28:01 <wookey> remind what UMS is
Apr 16 03:28:07 <wookey> remind me what UMS is
Apr 16 03:28:11 <rikanee> USB Mass Storage
Apr 16 03:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's simply a fake memory stick
Apr 16 03:28:53 <wookey> well it waqs simple to implement, and handed off all the complicated bits about posix and what happens to an open deleted file, to the OS
Apr 16 03:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and those will live on for another decade
Apr 16 03:29:17 <wookey> MTP has to decide that stuff itself
Apr 16 03:30:22 * DocScrutinizer05 glances at his USB HDD
Apr 16 03:31:00 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: UMS has a place for dumb block devices.
Apr 16 03:31:32 <rikanee> MTP would be better suited to devices with operating systems, where partitioning and losing space are a major annoyance to users.
Apr 16 03:37:33 <DocScrutinizer05> the real annoyance in MSM is that it umounts the volume on local system
Apr 16 03:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> real fun when you write files to where your app thinks a 30GB eMMC or even a uSD should be mounted, but isn't
Apr 16 03:39:00 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: and it writes it onto the filesystem under it? Yeah, I spent a few weeks looking for files that were there but mounted over by another filesystem.
Apr 16 03:39:51 <rikanee> MTP keeps the directory accessible to both OSes, but Bad Things (™) happen when both OSes write to the same file at the same time (can be fixed with mutex/locks on the driver side, but it is tricky)
Apr 16 05:05:47 <kerio> rikanee: why is it tricky, hold on
Apr 16 05:06:09 <kerio> nothing particularly bad happens when a file is written on locally and via nfs at the same time
Apr 16 05:06:16 <kerio> except that the file gets probably corrupted
Apr 16 05:06:50 <kerio> which is the same thing that happens when a file is written on locally from two different programs
Apr 16 05:07:51 <rikanee> kerio: file locking, and deciding which OS to grant access to and which to return a -ELOCKED to, to make sure that major FUBAR doesn't happen
Apr 16 05:08:22 <kerio> why would a "major FUBAR" happen that can't happen locally, when two programs write on the same file?
Apr 16 05:08:56 <rikanee> well, the file get corrupted, which is a major FUBAR to me ;)
Apr 16 05:11:59 <kerio> so don't write on it from two places
Apr 16 05:12:01 <kerio> *duh*
Apr 16 06:20:52 <DocScrutinizer05> rikanee: you're aware that on unix/linux there's no default file locking either, generally?
Apr 16 06:23:09 <DocScrutinizer05> at least there wasn't, last time I checked
Apr 16 06:24:48 <DocScrutinizer05> there are two or three concurrent optional file locking mechanisms iirc, but all of them depend on all applications deliberately and faithfully *using* the provided locking functions
Apr 16 06:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> which afaik almost nobody does
Apr 16 06:28:53 <DocScrutinizer05> some editors do nifty stuff like checking if file has changed since opening or last time saving it, and warn you about that fact, asking you if you want to reload / abort save/ overwrite while saving.
Apr 16 06:54:51 <neosisani> is it possible to set ringtone to null (mute it) for only one person (girlfired) every night between 00:30 and 10:00
Apr 16 07:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Apr 16 07:04:48 <DocScrutinizer05> check barisione's "custom ringtones" or "contact ringtone" or similar. that's for the special ringtone for a certain contact
Apr 16 07:05:56 <neosisani> DocScrutinizer05, can it be set for timed periods, one during day, one during night?
Apr 16 07:06:10 <DocScrutinizer05> then you'll also need shapeshifter's alarmed app, to change that particular ringtone to a silent file (length 0 or sth) at certain times of day
Apr 16 07:06:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need to dig into "custom ringtone" an little bit, to find out which file to actually change
Apr 16 07:07:08 <neosisani> like add in cron at midnight ln -s /dev/null ringtone.mp3; at noon ln -s properringtone.mp3 ringtone.mp3 ?
Apr 16 07:08:05 <DocScrutinizer05> sth like that, just s/cron/alarmed/
Apr 16 07:08:29 <neosisani> cool thanks
Apr 16 07:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Apr 16 07:09:38 <rikanee> DocScrutinizer05: holy crap, never knew about that. I thought all the filesystems added code for fancy flock() and atomic operations.
Apr 16 07:10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> no shit?
Apr 16 07:22:21 <neosisani> DocScrutinizer05, what is the proper name of alarmed app? Only thing which contains 'ala' in my repo is nextalarm
Apr 16 07:23:02 <MohammadAG> It's preinstalled, the stock clock depends on it
Apr 16 07:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Apr 16 07:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/
Apr 16 07:25:13 <DocScrutinizer05> moin moh
Apr 16 07:34:48 <neosisani> ok i need extras-devel, time to set it up
Apr 16 07:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jr-tools
Apr 16 07:56:13 <infobot> from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Apr 16 07:56:34 <DocScrutinizer05> probably too late for that single-click repo setup
Apr 16 08:38:24 <thedead1440> ~ping
Apr 16 08:38:25 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 16 10:20:27 <MohammadAG> Morning DocScrutinizer05 :)
Apr 16 10:42:22 <andrewfblack> Hello
Apr 16 12:31:15 <thedead1440> Wow Rob (SD69) going mental again
Apr 16 12:31:37 <thedead1440> He blames Council for carrying out a coup via re-election
Apr 16 12:32:15 <thedead1440> In addition, he put out a press release that clearly seemed to be from the BoD but was only penned by him; surely this is a sack-able offence
Apr 16 12:32:52 * thedead1440 wonders why don't the remaining two members of HiFo BoD just vote to sack Rob for misconduct; problem solved and things can move on again
Apr 16 12:34:04 * RST38h yawns and suggests every two of the three remaining members vote to sack the third out. This will add to the intrigue which has been lacking lately]
Apr 16 12:36:01 <thedead1440> intrigue at the expense of things moving forward...
Apr 16 12:54:07 <RST38h> What things? 
Apr 16 12:58:32 <thedead1440> getting a contract from Nokia signed to complete the handover of maemo.org? Allowing re-elections of Council and BoD to ensure a community elected BoD and Council 
Apr 16 12:58:54 <thedead1440> also getting the contract with IPHH (the free hosting provider) signed
Apr 16 13:26:05 * DocScrutinizer05 starts to wonder if pharma industry will come up with new strong meds against his Rob-allergy
Apr 16 13:27:21 <DocScrutinizer05> if not, this guy might kill me by causing anaphylactic multi-organ-dysfunction
Apr 16 13:28:25 <DocScrutinizer05> HELl THE FUCKING FUCK we're doing A COUP D'ETAT for grabbing power over HiFo... for 3 weeks, to force re-election
Apr 16 13:28:27 <thedead1440> lol
Apr 16 13:30:36 <DocScrutinizer05> this is not a coup d'etat, this is THE revolution, if anything. To bring the evil emperor to the guillotine
Apr 16 13:46:41 <vi__> chem|st: ping
Apr 16 13:56:05 <vi__> ping anyone who can speak german.
Apr 16 14:03:59 <chem|st> vi__: ?
Apr 16 14:13:58 <marmoute> vi__: ich bin kein Kartoffel
Apr 16 14:15:12 <inz> mein Pantzerwagein ist kaputt
Apr 16 14:15:26 <inz> -i
Apr 16 14:26:03 <vi__> Hello chem|st!
Apr 16 14:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Apr 16 14:34:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Caeser is eine Primzahl
Apr 16 14:34:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or
Apr 16 14:35:03 <DocScrutinizer05> mein Fuss kommt so zehackt an, ich glaub er ist verbrannt
Apr 16 14:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> (believe it or not, the latter one has a RL meaning and can be heard on police radio ;-D )
Apr 16 14:39:13 <DocScrutinizer05> a nice one: "nachts ist es kaelter als draussen"
Apr 16 14:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll win any discussion with this one
Apr 16 14:54:18 <vi__> chem|st: so how do you feel about helping me purchase more broken suspension parts from Germany?
Apr 16 15:00:50 <kerio> vi__: but they're going to be broken!
Apr 16 15:03:24 <vi__> heh, it even states the shock absorber is broken.
Apr 16 15:03:35 <vi__> But it is an ohlins and thus rebuildable.
Apr 16 15:03:55 <vi__> Also, it is the first I have seen for sale in ~1 year.
Apr 16 15:04:16 <vi__> I just need a German speaking buddy to ask him to ship it to the UK.
Apr 16 15:05:16 <vi__> I could use google translate but I do not want to look like a total spazz.
Apr 16 15:09:47 <chem|st> vi__: just shoot it! enough germans in here to help you with phrasing
Apr 16 15:09:59 <chem|st> gtg..
Apr 16 15:10:19 <vi__> Let me get back to you in 5 days.
Apr 16 15:11:59 <vi__> F* it.
Apr 16 15:12:01 <merlin1991> vi__: for example I'm german speaking aswell though not a german :D
Apr 16 15:12:10 <vi__> heh
Apr 16 15:12:32 <merlin1991> Austria is something completely different ;)
Apr 16 15:12:45 <vi__> It is a monoshock on ebay.  I have bid anyway and will deal with the getting him to ship to UK when I win.
Apr 16 15:20:44 <kerio> merlin1991: that's what you guys keep saying, but i don't see it
Apr 16 15:59:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Apr 16 15:59:08 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 16 17:32:15 <sixwheeledbeast> Macer: ping
Apr 16 18:23:51 <GI_Jack> I tried overclocking with qcpufreq and tcp/ip stopping working, completely
Apr 16 18:24:00 <GI_Jack> like I cannot even ping localhost
Apr 16 18:24:02 <GI_Jack> any ideas
Apr 16 18:24:34 <kerio> GI_Jack: don't do that
Apr 16 18:25:05 <GI_Jack> kerio, lesson learned, anything I can do without reflash
Apr 16 18:25:17 <kerio> just a reboot, probably
Apr 16 18:25:23 <kerio> disable OC and try again
Apr 16 18:25:32 <GI_Jack> I did and it still doesn't work
Apr 16 18:25:38 <kerio> after rebooting?
Apr 16 18:25:41 <GI_Jack> yes
Apr 16 18:25:44 <kerio> mmmh
Apr 16 18:25:46 <raid__> my computer crashed and sierraCharts locked me out >:(
Apr 16 18:25:47 <kerio> mmmmmmmmh
Apr 16 18:25:48 <GI_Jack> after re-flashing the stock kernel via usb
Apr 16 18:25:54 <raid__> how are we looking?
Apr 16 18:26:14 <kerio> GI_Jack: idk, reinstall kernel-power-modules and kernel-power and then reinstall kernel-power-flasher
Apr 16 18:26:34 <kerio> i have no idea what qcpufreq did to your kernel setup
Apr 16 18:27:32 <kerio> ah what the fucking fuck, it doesn't even depend on kernel-power
Apr 16 18:29:49 <kerio> anyway, idk what's happening there
Apr 16 18:30:01 <GI_Jack> ugg
Apr 16 18:30:01 <kerio> i don't see anything with effects that would stick after a reboot in qcpufreq
Apr 16 18:30:18 <GI_Jack> it won't even ping localhost
Apr 16 18:30:30 <GI_Jack> it will connect to the cell network
Apr 16 18:30:32 <kerio> ...how exactly are you doing that ping?
Apr 16 18:30:34 <GI_Jack> and wireless
Apr 16 18:30:37 <GI_Jack> with ping
Apr 16 18:30:41 <GI_Jack> on xterm
Apr 16 18:30:45 <GI_Jack> it won't connect to anything
Apr 16 18:30:46 <kerio> because by default, you need root to ping
Apr 16 18:30:49 <GI_Jack> not with the web browser
Apr 16 18:30:56 <GI_Jack> it won't work with root
Apr 16 18:31:07 <GI_Jack> the webbrowswer won't connect to websites
Apr 16 18:31:12 <kerio> try reinstalling kernel-power properly
Apr 16 18:31:27 <kerio> sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-settings && sudo apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power-flasher
Apr 16 18:34:11 <sixwheeledbeast> avoid all things overclocking, there really is no need
Apr 16 18:34:29 <GI_Jack> is there any real performance gain
Apr 16 18:34:38 <GI_Jack> mild overclock to 720mhz for around 15 seconds
Apr 16 18:35:06 <sixwheeledbeast> not compared to thumb.
Apr 16 18:35:13 <sixwheeledbeast> if you need speed
Apr 16 18:35:41 <GI_Jack> don't you have to recompile everything for thumb and isn't there are hardware bug with the n900?
Apr 16 18:35:51 <sixwheeledbeast> overclocking is like a mustang in the mud IMO
Apr 16 18:36:41 <kerio> GI_Jack: there's a hardware bug that has a workaround in recent versions of kernel-power
Apr 16 18:36:48 <kerio> and as for the recompile...
Apr 16 18:36:54 <sixwheeledbeast> armel applcations will work with thumb
Apr 16 18:37:04 <kerio> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829
Apr 16 18:37:16 <kerio> ah ofc, armel binaries will work
Apr 16 18:37:19 <kerio> it's not a different architecture
Apr 16 18:37:37 <kerio> but you need to recompile the bulk of system packages to feel a real difference, i think
Apr 16 18:38:00 <sixwheeledbeast> ^^^ exactly
Apr 16 18:38:33 <GI_Jack> yeah, something fucked up with tcp/ip I have wireshark running and its capturing packets
Apr 16 18:39:58 <kerio> are you sure it's not unrelated?
Apr 16 18:41:49 <GI_Jack> could be
Apr 16 18:41:55 <GI_Jack> its some sort of software error
Apr 16 18:47:33 <GI_Jack> is there anyhope of getting a kernel ngewer than 2.6.28, like 3.x somethin
Apr 16 18:47:47 <GI_Jack> or a ver of microb based on modern vers of mozilla
Apr 16 18:48:33 <GI_Jack> or a new FIASCO image with a newer read 3.6 or better and ext4?
Apr 16 18:52:49 <sixwheeledbeast> why?
Apr 16 18:52:55 <GI_Jack> performance
Apr 16 18:53:10 <GI_Jack> ext4 on new kernels has a massive IO performance bump
Apr 16 18:53:24 <GI_Jack> the earliest kernel its worth using is 2.6.38
Apr 16 18:54:05 <GI_Jack> real world on my personal server, with the same hardware, when I first used this setup, I got around 6 mb/second over my LAN with sftp
Apr 16 18:54:26 <GI_Jack> going from ext3 to ext4 it got bumped around 7-9 mb/s
Apr 16 18:54:46 <cehteh> huh
Apr 16 18:54:52 <cehteh> no problems here
Apr 16 18:54:53 <GI_Jack> every few point releases they re-write or tweak the ext4 driver
Apr 16 18:55:08 <sixwheeledbeast> will eat more battery power from what I have heard, so pointless really.
Apr 16 18:55:11 <GI_Jack> now I get around 20 mb/s real world performance same hardware
Apr 16 18:55:35 <kerio> ext4 for home *does* make a huge difference
Apr 16 18:55:40 <kerio> but it's hardly supported
Apr 16 18:55:53 <GI_Jack> its not worth it on kernel 2.6.28
Apr 16 18:56:03 <cehteh> but there are some subtle differences .. if you have a modern hdd which internally uses 4k blocks and your partitions are not 4k aligned then performance will drop massively
Apr 16 18:56:07 <cehteh> check that out
Apr 16 18:56:08 <kerio> as i said, ext4 for home *does* make a huge difference
Apr 16 18:56:27 <cehteh> ext4 block allocation and writing works differently than ext3
Apr 16 18:56:45 <GI_Jack> ext3 is ext2 with journaling extensions
Apr 16 18:59:19 <GI_Jack> meh I wound up reflashing
Apr 16 18:59:36 <kerio> cehteh: i usually align to 32M
Apr 16 18:59:40 <kerio> just because
Apr 16 18:59:51 <kerio> i aligned my n900's eMMC to 4M
Apr 16 19:00:26 <kerio> which, nicely enough, means 128 "cylinders"
Apr 16 19:11:37 <GI_Jack> is there a package that will automaticly install extra-test and extra-devel
Apr 16 19:11:47 <GI_Jack> I think I remember something like that a long time ago, but I cannot remember
Apr 16 19:11:51 <GI_Jack> instead of putting them in by hand
Apr 16 19:13:54 <sixwheeledbeast> .install files maybe dunno where from. no point in testing if using devel.
Apr 16 19:14:58 <GI_Jack> there was a way to automaticly adding testing and devel
Apr 16 19:57:46 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, he left
Apr 16 19:58:05 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm
Apr 16 20:39:54 <raid_> how come i can't install build-essential anymore?
Apr 16 20:40:10 <raid_> can it have something to do with the skeiron repositories?
Apr 16 20:40:28 <raid_> it says the package doesn't exist, but is referred to by another package
Apr 16 20:47:56 <DocScrutinizer05> raid_: you're probably missing the right repo. Anyway see here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/build-essential/10.1osso1/
Apr 16 20:49:32 <raid_> thanks doc. i'm scrambling between 5 different things in a hurry
Apr 16 21:07:52 <raid_> i can't install that, i'm missing the dependencies
Apr 16 21:10:45 <DocScrutinizer05> SDK or tools repo, I'd guess
Apr 16 21:10:57 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly SDK
Apr 16 21:17:37 <raid_> oh ofc
Apr 16 21:17:48 <raid_> i forgot the sdk was its own repo
Apr 16 21:59:45 <RiD> hey
Apr 16 22:01:21 <RiD> how likely it is for a N900 to be hardware damaged if it only shows up to NOKIA screen (doesn't show dots)
Apr 16 22:01:45 <RiD> I guess it would be quite rare, right? (no, my n900 does not have that problem. I'm looking for 2nd handed ones in my country)
Apr 16 22:02:49 <kerio> RiD: not a common hw problem, no
Apr 16 22:04:04 <RiD> Ok, thanks
Apr 16 22:04:19 <RiD> Also, there's one that says Bluetooth and Wireless does not work
Apr 16 22:04:51 <kerio> hmm...
Apr 16 22:04:57 <kerio> hw problem, or borked CAL
Apr 16 22:05:53 <RiD> that one is quite in pristine condition, apart from that
Apr 16 22:06:32 <kerio> "pristine"
Apr 16 22:06:37 <RiD> shhhh
Apr 16 22:06:49 <RiD> bad word XD
Apr 16 22:07:03 <kerio> nonworking bluetooth happens if you bork CAL in some way
Apr 16 22:07:25 <RiD> I e-mailed him asking if it stopped working after an update 
Apr 16 22:07:29 <kerio> but wifi+bluetooth is probably a hw problem, they're the same chip
Apr 16 22:09:14 <RiD> i might just try to negotiate with another one where it says everything works, just some scratches
Apr 16 22:17:25 <raid_> what package is autoreconf in? i can't install apt-file right now
Apr 16 22:19:23 <raid_> can someone type apt-file search autoreconf?
Apr 16 22:22:02 <rikanee> I'm pretty sure autoreconf is part of autoconf.
Apr 16 22:25:18 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm ptrtty sure I nrver used apt-file
Apr 16 22:28:53 <GI_Jack> found the problem
Apr 16 22:29:05 <GI_Jack> maemo5 doesn't like ifupdown it needs the busybox version
Apr 16 22:29:09 <GI_Jack> ugg
Apr 16 22:29:19 <GI_Jack> for the same reason it can't use bash and coreutils as the default shell
Apr 16 22:29:40 <GI_Jack> ugg
Apr 16 22:29:58 <GI_Jack> maemo 5 is indeed put together with some ugly hacks
Apr 16 22:33:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~jrtools
Apr 16 22:33:31 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Apr 16 22:40:36 <raid_> i get the error 'file not found' when trying to run '/usr/bin/autoreconf'
Apr 16 22:40:52 <raid_> i copy the file to the current directory and try to run and i get the same error message
Apr 16 22:41:09 <raid_> 'file autoreconf' also says 'file not found'
Apr 16 22:41:18 <raid_> what's going on
Apr 16 22:57:17 <raid_> i traced it to a problem with perl
Apr 16 22:57:47 <raid_> file isn't installed. it said 'file not found' as in file the program
Apr 16 22:59:09 <raid_> i don't remember what you have to do to get autoconf to run with perl
Apr 16 23:41:35 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Apr 16 23:41:36 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: thanks
Apr 16 23:50:30 <raid_> /usr/bin/autoreconf  expects perl to be in /scratchbox/tools/bin/
Apr 17 01:53:00 <raid_> if i can't get 2-factor auth working on the n900, then it might be finally over
Apr 17 01:53:54 <raid_> any recommendations on phones?
Apr 17 01:57:52 <bef0rd> uhm
Apr 17 01:57:59 <bef0rd> didn't you get it working last week?
Apr 17 01:58:04 <bef0rd> and documented it on TMO?
Apr 17 01:58:19 <raid_> it's not working anymore
Apr 17 01:58:24 <bef0rd> oh :/
Apr 17 01:58:38 <raid_> neither is the example that guy posted on the thread
Apr 17 01:58:50 <raid_> it might work for google, but not for other sites
Apr 17 01:59:16 <raid_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1334927#post1334927
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