**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 21 02:59:58 2013
Apr 21 03:46:29 <Sc0rpius> I need a fast browser
Apr 21 03:46:48 <Sc0rpius> that renders pages as mobile pages not desktop pages like microb
Apr 21 04:12:24 <Sc0rpius> fennec renders great too bad it looks like it is the slowest browser ever created in the history of this and several other universe if you agree on string theory
Apr 21 04:47:26 <DocScrutinizer05> err, rendering like mobile pages?
Apr 21 04:48:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I always thought that all browsers render more or less the same way, and it's mainly the server that delivers specially formatted "mobile" pages for certain browser identifications
Apr 21 05:42:36 <rikanee> Sc0rpius: Opera?
Apr 21 07:32:34 <Sc0rpius> DocScrutinizer05, actually you are right, but for microb to do that I would have to install an add-on to change the user-agent to something that most servers would understand as a mobile
Apr 21 07:34:27 <Sc0rpius> I tried Opera but it closes (segmentation fault?) on most pages, even on Facebook (that's absurd).
Apr 21 07:34:50 <Sc0rpius> fennec is perfect, but it's so slow it's unusable
Apr 21 07:43:31 <sixwheeledbeast> ScOrpius: Opera 11 ?
Apr 21 07:44:29 <sixwheeledbeast> Or if thumb use fennec-thumb?
Apr 21 07:45:04 <sixwheeledbeast> Doh Sc0rpius ^^^
Apr 21 07:46:03 <Sc0rpius> I'm using fennec-thumb yeah
Apr 21 07:51:36 <sixwheeledbeast> Opera 12 has been known to segfault intermittantly but I have had no trouble with Opera 11. fennec-thumb should be useable.
Apr 21 08:09:49 <kerio> Woody14619: hmm, "unless there is a serious volunteer effort to calculate everyone's karma by hand, we will treat all maemo.org accounts older than 3 months as eligible for this election only"
Apr 21 08:09:56 <kerio> is that to vote, or to be elected?
Apr 21 08:10:43 <sixwheeledbeast> afaik to vote
Apr 21 08:11:59 <kerio> aww :(
Apr 21 08:13:14 <sixwheeledbeast> nominees will be calculated by hand me thinks.
Apr 21 11:29:49 <kerum> hey
Apr 21 11:30:08 <kerum> I'm trying to install json 1.7.7 on n900
Apr 21 11:31:07 <kerum> Gem::Installer::ExtensionBuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension
Apr 21 11:31:32 <sixwheeledbeast> Yay, just got my vote token. I see the wiki pages I did have been included.
Apr 21 11:31:45 <kerum>  /usr/bin/ruby1.8 extconf.rb
Apr 21 11:31:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Shame the links are broken, lol
Apr 21 11:32:32 <kerum> extconf.rb:1:in require : no such file to load -- mkmf (LoadError)
Apr 21 11:32:45 <kerum> can anyone help me?
Apr 21 11:32:50 <kerum> i get that when i do
Apr 21 11:33:08 <kerum> gem install json -v '1.7.7'
Apr 21 14:54:53 <grummund> Hi all, i installed the "Wifi Channel 12 and 13 enabler" package but still my router on ch12 does not show up, any ideas?
Apr 21 15:00:22 <Drathir> grummund: what network type using your router b/g/n?
Apr 21 15:01:22 <grummund> i have it set to 11g only
Apr 21 15:02:23 <grummund> options are 11b/11g/Superg or a combination thereof.
Apr 21 15:03:50 <grummund> both Linux box and WinXp laptop are able to connect oh Ch12.
Apr 21 15:04:53 <grummund> this is with a n900 btw.
Apr 21 15:10:16 <Macer> hm
Apr 21 15:10:29 <Macer> fmobi got around to fixing their facebook api but now like half the things don't work
Apr 21 15:10:42 <Macer> simple things like going to your posts via notifications lol
Apr 21 15:15:55 <Drathir> grummund: you have airodump-ng installed?
Apr 21 15:16:28 <grummund> Drathir: no, should i?
Apr 21 15:16:29 <Macer> omg you have got to be kidding me
Apr 21 15:16:40 <Macer> it worked for an hour then went back to error 403?
Apr 21 15:16:42 <Drathir> Macer: bitlbee also dont work with oauth fb revoked api keys proppably... :/
Apr 21 15:16:53 <Macer> Drathir: yeah it's insane
Apr 21 15:17:12 <Macer> it was just working. i used it for like 10-20 minutes then the keys were revoked?
Apr 21 15:17:16 <Macer> facebook is a bitch
Apr 21 15:17:19 <Apic> *nod*
Apr 21 15:17:31 <Drathir> grummund: no yyou shouldnt i ask if you have you can check what channels phone can see...
Apr 21 15:18:03 <grummund> Drathir: using wifieye i see other networks
Apr 21 15:18:22 <grummund> Drathir: also the n900 will connect fine with the router set to Ch11
Apr 21 15:18:40 <Drathir> grummund: check if network isnt hidden and have mac filtering...
Apr 21 15:18:59 <grummund> it's not hidden
Apr 21 15:19:07 <grummund> the n900 will see it and connect on Ch11
Apr 21 15:19:13 <Drathir> Macer: bitlbee site say that hey revoked... :/
Apr 21 15:19:30 <Drathir> they*
Apr 21 15:19:32 <grummund> other PCs (both Win & Linux) can connect on Ch12
Apr 21 15:19:56 <Drathir> fb hacve strange implementation of xmpp :/
Apr 21 15:20:11 <grummund> i may just revert the router to Ch11 to allow the n900 to be used.
Apr 21 15:20:22 <Drathir> Macer: if working maybe servers issue only...
Apr 21 15:20:59 <Macer> it was working fine
Apr 21 15:21:05 <Drathir> grummund: that looks like patch not working :/
Apr 21 15:21:06 <Macer> then the api returned 403 forbidden
Apr 21 15:21:13 <Macer> so it's probably fb being little bitches to the 3rd party apps
Apr 21 15:21:33 <Macer> just so people are forced to use their ugly fb garbage
Apr 21 15:22:00 <Macer> does anybody know a good cover for my n900 to get? i don't care about bulk just protection
Apr 21 15:22:11 <Macer> i got a decent one but now one of the cheap chinese tabs seems to have worn 
Apr 21 15:22:19 <Macer> and the front cover doesn't stick as well :-/
Apr 21 15:22:28 <Drathir> Macer: try to connect without password-oauth only with mnormal password ?
Apr 21 15:22:30 <grummund> Macer: i had one off amazon for 99p - works great.
Apr 21 15:24:56 <Macer> Drathir: i don't know how to do that with fb? i can login just fine on a pc
Apr 21 15:24:57 <Macer> heh
Apr 21 15:25:03 <Macer> fmobi requires oauth
Apr 21 15:25:27 <Macer> grummund: so did i.. that is the one that isn't working :-/
Apr 21 15:25:33 <Macer> the little plastic tab broke off in one of the corners
Apr 21 15:25:37 <Macer> so the front falls off
Apr 21 15:26:43 <Drathir> Macer: try simple xmpp server chat.facebook.com nick username and with password
Apr 21 15:27:23 <Drathir> have you any xmpp client?
Apr 21 15:27:24 <grummund> Macer: mine gets carried around in a backpack so not too much abuse
Apr 21 15:27:29 <Macer> Drathir: that works fine
Apr 21 15:27:32 <Macer> i am using it with the n900
Apr 21 15:27:36 <grummund> i can lookup the amazon link if you wnat though
Apr 21 15:27:38 <Macer> i just chatted with someone ;)
Apr 21 15:27:56 <Macer> heh.. yeah well.. i try not to use mine much but i would still like the protection
Apr 21 15:28:00 <Macer> i don't care much about the bulk of it
Apr 21 15:28:19 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Simple-Casewith-Protector-Rubberized/dp/B002XZM0V2/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1366558016&sr=8-17&keywords=Nokia+N900
Apr 21 15:28:33 <Drathir> Macer: with client you using for that inside n900?
Apr 21 15:29:05 <grummund> Macer: this one here is a mock leather wallet type
Apr 21 15:29:32 <Drathir> in short which n900 apps you using to connect?
Apr 21 15:30:55 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Simple-Casewith-Protector-Rubberized/product-reviews/B002XZM0V2/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Apr 21 15:30:58 <Macer> oops
Apr 21 15:31:00 <Macer> that is one of them
Apr 21 15:31:08 <Macer> Drathir: i'm using fmobi to connect to fb
Apr 21 15:31:16 <Macer> as well as telepathy to connect to the fb chat
Apr 21 15:31:33 <Macer> i tried using the browser but it sucks for the "new and improved" fb
Apr 21 15:31:39 <Macer> the cpu gets maxed out and can't handle the page
Apr 21 15:32:13 <Macer> i bet that $11 amzer is just as bad as the one i got for $1 heh
Apr 21 15:32:32 <Macer> too bad finding an otterbox would be next to impossible
Apr 21 15:33:17 <Macer> The product arrived only with the back piece in the package. I read another review with the same problem, where are the front pieces (are you selling them separated?)
Apr 21 15:33:20 <Macer> lol
Apr 21 15:35:59 <rikanee> Macer: the plain old non-HTML5 Facebook for mobile should still be there for browsers that suck.
Apr 21 15:36:24 <grummund> Macer: that's what i have - http://www.amazon.co.uk/BLACK-WALLET-LEATHER-CASE-NOKIA/dp/B0038LNLS6
Apr 21 15:36:25 <rikanee> I forgot what the URL was, so I'll have to figure out where my PSP was.
Apr 21 15:36:29 <Macer> rikanee: where?
Apr 21 15:36:30 <Macer> heh
Apr 21 15:36:40 <Macer> touch.facebook.com didn't work
Apr 21 15:36:50 <Macer> half the stuff wouldn't work in microb
Apr 21 15:36:58 <Macer> like... the menu :)
Apr 21 15:37:23 <rikanee> (in all seriousness though, the transition animations Facebook added to the HTML5 mobile site totally killed performance on notWebkit)
Apr 21 15:37:56 <grummund> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41c9t5YJQvL.jpg
Apr 21 15:37:57 <grummund> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Jx-WC%2BtBL.jpg
Apr 21 15:38:06 <grummund> Macer: ^^
Apr 21 15:38:14 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Rubberized-Crystal-Nokia-plastic/dp/B0059BUSFW/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A21C4U5X700J66
Apr 21 15:38:31 <Macer> grummund: oh lol
Apr 21 15:38:40 <Macer> i was looking for something that didn't require me taking the n900 out of it
Apr 21 15:38:47 <Macer> a protector more than a case... like the one i just pasted
Apr 21 15:38:54 <Macer> where the kb will slide open 
Apr 21 15:39:07 <grummund> yeah it does that
Apr 21 15:39:40 <grummund> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41vdV9Z3VhL._SL500_.jpg
Apr 21 15:40:41 <Macer> yeah i guess but it requires an unsnap, flip back. and keyboard flip heh
Apr 21 15:40:46 <Macer> that seems like a lot of work ;)
Apr 21 15:40:54 <Macer> i just want something simple that will protect the edges 
Apr 21 15:40:54 <Drathir> Macer: touch.facebook.com  works not bad inside opera...
Apr 21 15:41:16 <grummund> Macer: get an iphone then :p
Apr 21 15:41:50 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/OtterBox-Commuter-Case-Nokia-E7/dp/B004M8R9YG/ref=sr_1_14?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1366558876&sr=1-14&keywords=nokia+e7+case
Apr 21 15:42:00 <Macer> :'(
Apr 21 15:42:04 <Macer> RIP otterbox stuff
Apr 21 15:44:57 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Perforated-Mesh-Back-Cover-Nokia/dp/B005NYBT9Y/ref=sr_1_21?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1366558929&sr=1-21&keywords=nokia+e7+case
Apr 21 15:45:03 <Macer> i can't find anything like that for my e7 either
Apr 21 15:45:05 <Macer> wtf
Apr 21 15:45:54 <Drathir> Macer: gravity...
Apr 21 15:46:17 <Macer> Drathir: i meant a case for my e7 ;)
Apr 21 15:46:23 <Macer> gravity is pretty awesome tho
Apr 21 15:46:35 <Macer> but i'm so worried that fb is going to screw over the little guy that i wouldn't buy it
Apr 21 15:47:02 <Macer> next time i'm just pirating phone apps until i see them working... it was $2 and i never got my money's worth
Apr 21 15:47:57 <Drathir> Macer: nothing faster and less network usage i dont find on symbian... gravity was great...
Apr 21 15:48:52 <Drathir> Macer: fmobi isnt free app?
Apr 21 15:53:20 <Macer> no
Apr 21 15:53:24 <Macer> you buy it on the ovi store
Apr 21 15:54:15 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Nokia-N900-AluArmor-Jacket/dp/B003CJ4ZFM/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1366559625&sr=1-2&keywords=n900+case
Apr 21 15:54:22 <Macer> i wonder if that squeaked when you opened it lol
Apr 21 15:54:54 <Macer> http://www.amazon.com/OtterBox-Nokia-N900-Commuter-Case/dp/B003FVQAHI/ref=sr_1_7?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1366559667&sr=1-7&keywords=n900+case
Apr 21 15:54:59 <Macer> that's what i want :-/ i can't find it even on ebay
Apr 21 15:55:52 <Macer> i guess it's just impossible to find decent covers for old devices
Apr 21 15:56:00 <Macer> guess i'll do like you said and just get a leather case type one for it
Apr 21 15:56:08 <Drathir> Macer: i want to test that app but if must buy it is bad idea better using something open to much api key changes to buy app...
Apr 21 15:56:30 <Macer> well.. talk to the dev ;)
Apr 21 15:56:38 <Macer> lol... he obviously doesn'tn give a shit about making sure it works
Apr 21 15:56:41 <Macer> maybe he'll give it up
Apr 21 15:56:58 <Macer> but when you have chumps like me buying it
Apr 21 15:57:02 <Macer> then why would you? heh
Apr 21 15:57:15 <Macer> also... nobody seems to want to dev an open fb client even tho the api is supposed to be easy to use
Apr 21 15:57:30 <luf> I uploaded latest version of tinysmb to extras-devel. If no bug report I'll promote it into extras-testing next week.
Apr 21 15:57:32 <Macer> surprised someone out there hasn't made a functional open one yet hhe
Apr 21 15:58:49 <Drathir> bitlbee should work but someone proppably must genere new api keys nad compile app with new keys... :/
Apr 21 15:59:46 <Drathir> i run bitlbee inside alarm chroot and acces from  n900 irssi ^^
Apr 21 16:00:37 <Macer> heh
Apr 21 16:00:45 <Macer> well.. let me swap over to my e7 and see if it has the same issues
Apr 21 16:00:46 <Drathir> luf: thanks a lot i must remember to update...
Apr 21 16:02:33 * Macer tosses his sim in
Apr 21 16:02:43 <Macer> yeah these n900 covers i got totally suck
Apr 21 16:02:50 <Macer> cheaply made in china crap
Apr 21 16:02:54 <Drathir> the most missing for me is bombus :,(
Apr 21 16:03:05 <Drathir> from symbian...
Apr 21 16:03:37 <Macer> symbian is pretty awesome in its own way
Apr 21 16:03:56 <Macer> i can say at the very least it had far more commercial support than maemo :)
Apr 21 16:04:29 <Drathir> anyway its a java app, but perfect - fast, stable, thin, low resource and smallest network usage fromm all app on the world...
Apr 21 16:04:30 <Macer> i'm waiting for these ubuntu phones to come out
Apr 21 16:05:10 <Macer> and for some reason tmobile service in my area dropped badly
Apr 21 16:05:16 <Macer> i was maxed out with bars until yesterday
Apr 21 16:05:22 <Macer> it's like they completely turned a tower off
Apr 21 16:06:25 <Macer> i'm trying symbian fmobi now
Apr 21 16:06:55 <Drathir> e51 is great apps i find for all i need, only one bad thing is low memory/ram builit in, but with monitoring app i can open 10 apps in one time...
Apr 21 16:07:53 <Drathir> Macer: have you orange carrier?
Apr 21 16:09:17 <Macer> tmobile prepaid
Apr 21 16:10:55 <Macer> hm
Apr 21 16:12:33 <Macer> the symbian fmobi works fine
Apr 21 16:12:39 <Macer> so it was just the n900 that was abandoned lol
Apr 21 16:13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> HUH?
Apr 21 16:27:49 <Drathir> that little sad when all platforms with n900 dont updated with the same time... :/
Apr 21 16:29:39 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: hi maybe you remember where n900 storage modules? i looking for names wifi normal and injection drivers...
Apr 21 16:48:09 <Macer> heh
Apr 21 16:48:48 <Macer> ah well... i'm done buying my little toys ;) i'll wait until a good supported ubuntu phone comes out and get that and stick with the n900 and e7 until then
Apr 21 16:49:02 <Macer> i just don't want a phone that doesn't have a qwerty
Apr 21 16:49:08 <Macer> and i sure don't want another conglomerate phone
Apr 21 16:49:24 <Macer> 3 of the largest tech companies in the world are the only 3 making phone operating systems
Apr 21 16:49:27 <Macer> how sad
Apr 21 16:49:42 <Macer> oh... 4.. forgot the facebook phone.. but that's just android as well
Apr 21 16:50:18 <Win7Mac_> @Drathir: DocScrutinizer is not reading ATM
Apr 21 16:50:20 <kerio> 3 of the largest tech companies in the world are the only 3 making phone operating systems, and none seem to be any good at it
Apr 21 16:51:15 <Macer> kerio: lol!
Apr 21 16:51:33 <Macer> they are good enough at it to make whatever people want ;)
Apr 21 16:52:08 <Macer> i wonder if blackberry has taken the ad-road
Apr 21 16:53:18 <Macer> what are the 2 blackberry phones that were released?
Apr 21 16:53:22 <Macer> one was a z10
Apr 21 16:54:30 <Macer> ah.. the q10
Apr 21 16:56:44 <Macer> wonder if t-mobile will have a q10
Apr 21 16:56:51 <Macer> or if there is an unlocked ver that supports their freq
Apr 21 16:57:33 <Macer> oh. i guess the q10 isnt even out yet
Apr 21 17:20:51 <Sc0rpius> sixwheeledbeast, thank you for the suggestion.  I downgraded Opera to 11 and it works great, you're right.
Apr 21 17:21:01 <Sc0rpius> and it's very sad about Opera 12, it's unusable.
Apr 21 17:23:31 <sixwheeledbeast> Sc0rpius: serves you right for using devel version :P
Apr 21 17:24:18 <sixwheeledbeast> Hopefully alopex will rock and be the amazing browser the N900 deserves.
Apr 21 17:30:22 <kerio> it's qt, isn't it
Apr 21 17:30:29 <kerio> it's already worthless to me :<
Apr 21 17:31:55 <Sc0rpius> you don't like Qt?
Apr 21 17:32:50 <sixwheeledbeast> something to do with key mappings ... yawn :P
Apr 21 17:33:30 <kerio> it doesn't honour my xkb layout, and it doesn't honour the settings regarding hold-to-sym
Apr 21 17:34:12 * Sc0rpius tests that, since he has a different layout as well
Apr 21 17:34:23 <Sc0rpius> oh you're right
Apr 21 17:36:16 <Sc0rpius> so I think I can't type comments in Facebook with áéíóú
Apr 21 17:36:18 * Sc0rpius tries that
Apr 21 17:36:28 <Sc0rpius> but I can 
Apr 21 17:36:42 <Sc0rpius> :)
Apr 21 17:36:52 <Sc0rpius> so it's  "honoring" my xkb layout
Apr 21 17:37:01 <kerio> another thing, which is also something fennec does, is that fn-release-<key> doesn't work as fn+key
Apr 21 17:37:08 <kerio> not sure if alopex also does that
Apr 21 17:37:31 <Sc0rpius> fn, release, and then key works as well
Apr 21 17:37:54 <Sc0rpius> everything I tried works in Opera 11
Apr 21 17:38:07 <kerio> it doesn't work in yappari for me, though
Apr 21 17:38:17 <kerio> and that's qt *and* text-heavy
Apr 21 17:38:26 <Sc0rpius> :(
Apr 21 17:38:35 <kerio> it's one of the reasons i stopped using it
Apr 21 17:38:40 <Sc0rpius> your xkb layout doesn't work in Yappari?
Apr 21 17:38:43 <kerio> yep
Apr 21 17:38:50 <Sc0rpius> that's very weird
Apr 21 17:38:50 <kerio> another reason is, it's not a Conversations plugin
Apr 21 17:38:57 <Sc0rpius> unless you use an IDE or something to type chinese
Apr 21 17:39:04 <kerio> and a third reason is that whatsapp sucks balls
Apr 21 17:39:05 <Sc0rpius> it can't be a Conversations plugin
Apr 21 17:39:14 <kerio> sure it can, it's masqueraded xmpp
Apr 21 17:39:22 <Sc0rpius> I agree on your 3rd reason, we should hack Line or Vibe and write a client for that
Apr 21 17:39:28 <Drathir> Win7Mac_: thanks a lot for info i wait, and dont think go anywhere...
Apr 21 17:39:42 <Sc0rpius> it can for text only, but you'd lose the multimedia and that's the ONLY reason to use WhatsApp
Apr 21 17:39:51 <Sc0rpius> otherwise we would use GTalk and that's it
Apr 21 17:40:13 <Sc0rpius> I *could* write a Conversations plugin for Whatsapp text-only but who would want that
Apr 21 17:40:37 <Drathir> bb never dead in my opinion have great phones which must work dosent matter what happen...
Apr 21 17:41:03 <kerio> Sc0rpius: receiving multimedia would work
Apr 21 17:41:09 <kerio> sending... eh, not so much
Apr 21 17:41:29 <Sc0rpius> the first thing I tried was to write a conversations plugin
Apr 21 17:41:45 <Sc0rpius> and when I saw the API, I knew it was pointless
Apr 21 17:42:20 * Drathir have 12.10.16 opera version...
Apr 21 17:42:32 <Sc0rpius> Drathir, I'd suggest you to downgrade
Apr 21 17:44:27 <Sc0rpius> but I wonder
Apr 21 17:44:40 <Sc0rpius> if so many people has so many problems with introducing text in all Qt apps
Apr 21 17:44:57 <Sc0rpius> why nobody has patched Qt for that, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be hard
Apr 21 17:45:33 <kerio> patches welcome, at #maemo-ssu
Apr 21 17:45:34 <Sc0rpius> since CSSU there has been newer Qt versions for the N900, some even fix several bugs that the stock firmware has
Apr 21 17:45:49 <Sc0rpius> yeah, patch it :P
Apr 21 17:45:57 <Sc0rpius> since I can't reproduce the problem I wouldn't know where to begin
Apr 21 17:46:02 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: hildon QT IM plugin is a mess
Apr 21 17:46:18 <kerio> freemangordon: what happens if we disable it?
Apr 21 17:46:23 <freemangordon> though it is in my queue
Apr 21 17:46:36 <kerio> actually, wrong question
Apr 21 17:46:39 <freemangordon> kerio: no text input in Qt apps?
Apr 21 17:46:40 <kerio> how do i disable it?
Apr 21 17:46:46 <kerio> wat
Apr 21 17:46:48 <kerio> no text input at all?
Apr 21 17:46:53 <freemangordon> I guess so
Apr 21 17:47:05 <kerio> won't qt just use the standard xkb one?
Apr 21 17:47:13 <Sc0rpius> I modified my keyboard layout to type áéíóú and ñ and it works in all my Qt apps, so I wonder why people do that doesn't work for them
Apr 21 17:47:17 <freemangordon> iirc it is ifdeffed
Apr 21 17:47:39 <freemangordon> kerio: ^^^
Apr 21 17:47:51 <kerio> i modified my keyboard layout to type àèéìòù<>[]{}%~`
Apr 21 17:47:57 <Sc0rpius> ok 
Apr 21 17:48:00 <kerio> and none of the shift+fn+<key> combinations work in qt
Apr 21 17:48:26 <Sc0rpius> hmmm I don't use shift+fn+key combinations
Apr 21 17:48:36 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: kerio: toldya, it is in my queue, I am the most affected (because of the cyrillic)
Apr 21 17:48:37 <Sc0rpius> lemme see
Apr 21 17:48:37 <kerio> ...where have you put those keys then? :O
Apr 21 17:49:09 <Sc0rpius> all my Fn+key combinations work in Qt
Apr 21 17:49:15 <Sc0rpius> I changed Fn + arrow keys for the dead keys
Apr 21 17:49:30 <Sc0rpius> actually this is what I did
Apr 21 17:49:36 <Sc0rpius> I changed , to dead key '
Apr 21 17:49:39 <kerio> those only make sense as home/end/pgup/pgdwn
Apr 21 17:49:40 <Sc0rpius> FN <- is the ,
Apr 21 17:49:51 <Sc0rpius> Fn up is the dead key `
Apr 21 17:49:57 <Sc0rpius> fn -> is the ;
Apr 21 17:49:58 <kerio> oh
Apr 21 17:49:59 <kerio> pff
Apr 21 17:50:05 <Sc0rpius> and Fn down is the dead key ~ 
Apr 21 17:50:14 <Sc0rpius> so I don't use shift ever.
Apr 21 17:50:41 <Sc0rpius> and looks like the shift is the problem, since all my Fn+key combinations work in Qt
Apr 21 17:50:55 <kerio> real men don't use combining accents!
Apr 21 17:51:03 <Sc0rpius> what do you mean
Apr 21 17:51:05 <kerio> and they're not even combining accents, they're a weird thing
Apr 21 17:51:40 <Sc0rpius> so you have a key for á??? instead of typing ' first and then a ?
Apr 21 17:51:47 <Sc0rpius> that's weird in this side of the planet!!!
Apr 21 17:52:06 <Sc0rpius> all our keyboards are in english we don't have keys for áéíóú we have to type ' and then a to á
Apr 21 17:52:15 <kerio> yeah well, other layouts exist
Apr 21 17:52:30 <kerio> for fuck's sake, the italian keyboard has ç, ° and § as shift+key combinations
Apr 21 17:52:38 <kerio> (the full-size one, i mean)
Apr 21 17:52:58 <Sc0rpius> how do those shift+key combinations work?
Apr 21 17:53:12 <Sc0rpius> if I type shift a I would get a capital A, so I wonder...
Apr 21 17:53:18 <kerio> § is shift+ù
Apr 21 17:53:21 <Sc0rpius> (I mean in real desktop keyboards)
Apr 21 17:53:34 <kerio> ù is the last key before enter, in the home row
Apr 21 17:53:43 <kerio> hysterical raisins, yes
Apr 21 17:53:45 <kerio> but that's what i'm used to
Apr 21 17:53:47 <Sc0rpius> shift ù is Ù in my keyboard :)
Apr 21 17:54:02 <Sc0rpius> and I type it as Shift (hold), ` and then u
Apr 21 17:54:17 <kerio> capital letters are at the beginning of sentences in italian, or at the beginning of proper nouns
Apr 21 17:54:27 <kerio> accents are at the end of certain words
Apr 21 17:54:30 <kerio> :)
Apr 21 17:54:47 <Sc0rpius> my native language is spanish so I know what you're talking about
Apr 21 17:54:52 <kerio> there's hardly ever a reason to use accented capitals
Apr 21 17:54:58 <kerio> unless shouting
Apr 21 17:55:01 <Sc0rpius> heh
Apr 21 17:55:25 <kerio> osx has alt+shift+certain keys for capitalized accented letters, however
Apr 21 17:55:35 <Sc0rpius> but looks like it's only the shift-fn-key that is not working in Qt, that must be very easy to fix
Apr 21 17:56:05 <kerio> freemangordon: heard that? it's "very easy"
Apr 21 17:56:09 <Sc0rpius> since Fn+key work...
Apr 21 17:59:43 <Sc0rpius> the thing is, I'm not sure if CSSU pulls the whole Qt source in their git repository...
Apr 21 18:02:55 <Sc0rpius> well it's there 
Apr 21 18:04:48 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: why?
Apr 21 18:04:54 <Sc0rpius> why what
Apr 21 18:06:13 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: for sure it is the whole source
Apr 21 18:06:43 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: why downgrade? what is wrong with 12?
Apr 21 18:06:49 <Sc0rpius> yes, I'm lookint at the QHildonInputContext_X11.cpp for the sake of curiosity
Apr 21 18:07:04 <Sc0rpius> Drathir, Opera 12 in Maemo crashes all the time
Apr 21 18:07:09 <Sc0rpius> *looking
Apr 21 18:07:46 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: not anymore, at least here it is rock stable
Apr 21 18:07:53 <freemangordon> (opera)
Apr 21 18:08:07 <Sc0rpius> well it was crashing so I downgraded to 11 and now it works fine
Apr 21 18:09:24 <sixwheeledbeast> It is better but it still had reports of the occasion segfault, must depend on the website.
Apr 21 18:10:42 <Sc0rpius> kerio when you press Shift + Fn + key in a Qt app do you get the Fn+key combination or the Shift+key combination?
Apr 21 18:11:53 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: crashes when have to much ram usage what i saw...
Apr 21 18:12:22 <Sc0rpius> with Opera 12, I start it, go to facebook, press Login, and it crashes. 100% of the time
Apr 21 18:12:35 <Sc0rpius> with Opera 11 everything I've tried works fine
Apr 21 18:13:28 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: could me seand a page adress and you using phone or pc UA?
Apr 21 18:13:44 <Sc0rpius> I guess the phone user agent, since I haven't modified it
Apr 21 18:14:02 <Sc0rpius> I use the default settings I haven't even seen the configuration page
Apr 21 18:14:10 <Drathir> ok i will check...
Apr 21 18:14:25 <Sc0rpius> I'm happy with Opera 11 though :)
Apr 21 18:15:01 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: try delete opera and opera folder and install 22 again, maybe have a old broken configuration settings?
Apr 21 18:15:35 <Sc0rpius> ok I can try that
Apr 21 18:16:30 <Drathir> opera:about opera:config opera:cache
Apr 21 18:16:49 <Drathir> you can compare settings....
Apr 21 18:17:09 <Drathir> with booth...
Apr 21 18:18:17 <jean_brat> hi.. i just brought a logitech bluetooth keyboard for Ipad.. and paierd it with N900.. Pair is successful
Apr 21 18:18:46 <jean_brat> but however keys are not working
Apr 21 18:19:10 <jean_brat> if i open text msg and start to type something
Apr 21 18:19:56 <freemangordon> jean_brat: install extkbd
Apr 21 18:20:58 <Sc0rpius> well if I'm not mistaken, if you press Fn+Shift+key you'd get shift+key and pressing shift+fn+key you'd get fn+key in Qt apps.
Apr 21 18:21:41 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: yep, sounds like what exactly happens
Apr 21 18:21:52 <Sc0rpius> but in the code looks like it's one or the other since it's
Apr 21 18:22:08 <freemangordon> shift is somehow wrongly recognized
Apr 21 18:22:40 <Sc0rpius> if (qtkeycode == Qt::Key_AltGr) { bla } ELSE if (qtkeycode == Qt::Key_Shift) { bla }
Apr 21 18:22:45 <Sc0rpius> but never the combination of the two.
Apr 21 18:23:19 <Sc0rpius> so the last one pressed is the only one that will modify
Apr 21 18:24:27 <Sc0rpius> not sure I would have to read more code
Apr 21 18:25:07 <freemangordon> Sc0rpius: Patches are welcome :). Though I have to look at it too, because it reverses small/capital letters in QML apps. Here, with my bulgarian keyboard
Apr 21 18:25:25 <freemangordon> QML and Qt apps that is
Apr 21 18:26:10 * freemangordon wonders why there is no bug for that
Apr 21 18:34:15 <jean_brat> freemangordon, i have installed extkbt.. it does not show in the main menu..
Apr 21 18:34:48 <jean_brat> i deleted the device and repaiered it as well... no help
Apr 21 18:35:00 <freemangordon> strange
Apr 21 18:35:42 <jean_brat> extkbt shows in the in installion list of App manager
Apr 21 18:35:54 <jean_brat> *un_installation
Apr 21 18:36:03 <freemangordon> oh, ok
Apr 21 18:36:12 <jean_brat> so its been installed i believe
Apr 21 18:36:39 <freemangordon> jean_brat: does BT icon turns blue?
Apr 21 18:36:44 <freemangordon> *turn
Apr 21 18:36:59 <jean_brat> yes its blue
Apr 21 18:37:19 <freemangordon> ok. could you pastebin your dmesg log?
Apr 21 18:39:10 <jean_brat> let me reboot the device and pair it again
Apr 21 18:45:30 <jean_brat> ok.. seems like its working.. z and y are interchanged.. and caps lock and shifts and numbers are not working
Apr 21 18:45:52 <freemangordon> jean_brat: select your correct layout
Apr 21 18:46:15 <freemangordon> settings->external keyboard
Apr 21 18:46:23 <jean_brat> how do i do that?
Apr 21 18:46:54 <freemangordon> jean_brat: go to settings and select "external keyboard"
Apr 21 18:48:55 <mickname> is it possible to enable svg rendering in microb?
Apr 21 18:49:49 <jean_brat> its a Logitech Tablet Keyboard for ipad.. not sure what to selct there.. 
Apr 21 18:50:15 <freemangordon> well, try with pc103 first
Apr 21 18:50:44 <freemangordon> jean_brat: or ask google which layout linux users choose for this kbd
Apr 21 18:53:22 <jean_brat> its like the exact ipad on screen touch keyboard... don know what layout is it..
Apr 21 18:55:44 <mickname> alright, i set html5.enable to true in about:config and it seems to be working now.. i hope this doesnät kill the browser
Apr 21 19:04:03 <Sc0rpius> Drathir, deleted .opera dir
Apr 21 19:04:05 <Sc0rpius> installed Opera 12
Apr 21 19:04:07 <Sc0rpius> start it
Apr 21 19:04:13 <Sc0rpius> I click ACCEPT and it crashes :/
Apr 21 19:04:22 <Sc0rpius> this is bs
Apr 21 19:06:12 <Sc0rpius> back to Opera 11
Apr 21 19:06:53 <Sc0rpius> 11.5beta1-14~fremantle0 that's the stable one for me
Apr 21 19:08:12 <Sc0rpius> Opera 11 also loads way faster
Apr 21 19:17:21 <Drathir> Sc0rpius: check opera:cach any files there?
Apr 21 19:17:42 <Drathir> opera:cache
Apr 21 19:48:15 <Guest34378> 1
Apr 21 19:54:10 <merlin1991> 2
Apr 21 19:54:45 <thedead1440> 3
Apr 21 19:54:53 <nox-> 4
Apr 21 19:56:25 <freemangordon> ooh, vi is here :)
Apr 21 19:56:38 <freemangordon> *was here
Apr 21 20:14:50 * ron0062000 when is the next update for cssu
Apr 21 20:17:06 * merlin1991 thinks /me is supposed to be used like this not for a straight question
Apr 21 20:17:28 * sixwheeledbeast agrees with merlin1991
Apr 21 20:25:06 <sixwheeledbeast> ron0062000: when its ready http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1335985&postcount=1163
Apr 21 20:25:59 <freemangordon> kerio: new bb-power is in the thumb repo, mind to test it?
Apr 21 20:28:04 <sixwheeledbeast> Is there a plan to update CSSU stable version to the latest? Seems only 4.1 is available from the repo?
Apr 21 20:29:24 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: there is CSSU meeting on Tuesday, I guess we'll duscuss this along with the other stuff
Apr 21 20:33:29 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon:  \o/ also could someone in the know fill in the blanks on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable
Apr 21 20:34:18 <freemangordon> well, I think that one is supposed to be chem|st :)
Apr 21 20:35:09 <sixwheeledbeast> I have done the columns but didn't know were to find the rest :) 
Apr 21 21:02:54 <merlin1991> sixwheeledbeast: you can check https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/stable/debian/changelog
Apr 21 21:03:06 <merlin1991> and the actual changes in the packages from the testing list ;)
Apr 21 21:07:47 <sixwheeledbeast> It's the changes that need filling in, I found the changelog.
Apr 21 21:50:08 <ron0062000> msg <merlin1991> <to speak to anybody what is the comand> 
Apr 21 22:22:06 <Drathir> there is any ca-cert updates?
Apr 21 22:29:30 <ron0062000> merlin: what is the command to speak to anybody
Apr 21 22:36:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: private chat between two?
Apr 21 22:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> /query <nick>
Apr 21 22:36:45 <GI_Jack> ron0062000, /msg
Apr 21 22:36:55 <GI_Jack>  /msh <nick> message
Apr 21 22:37:00 <GI_Jack>  /msg <nick> message
Apr 21 22:54:48 <ron0062000> so dose anyone know when truecrypt will be update
Apr 21 22:59:11 <GI_Jack> ron0062000, whats wrong with ti
Apr 21 23:00:19 <ron0062000> want open 4 new user
Apr 21 23:01:20 <ron0062000> and it"s gone from rep.
Apr 21 23:01:20 <GI_Jack> ??
Apr 21 23:02:28 <ron0062000> sorry I mean drop box
Apr 21 23:02:30 <GI_Jack> I still got a local copy on my n900 so I'm gonna back it up reall quickly
Apr 21 23:08:47 * Luke-Jr is tempted to post a self-nomination for whatever these nominations are for, and unsubscribe <.<
Apr 21 23:09:36 <Drathir> what about dropn900 ?
Apr 21 23:09:58 <r00t|home> n900fly
Apr 21 23:10:21 <ron0062000> it's gone
Apr 21 23:10:59 <Drathir> mean app DropN900 why gone? any reason? security issues?
Apr 21 23:11:20 <ron0062000> yes
Apr 21 23:11:44 <ron0062000> 4 new user
Apr 21 23:22:33 <Drathir> any info about that security issues?
Apr 21 23:53:55 <ron0062000> how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 anyone?
Apr 22 00:12:35 <ron0062000> any information on DropN900?
Apr 22 00:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: mode +1?
Apr 22 00:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: what do you mean?
Apr 22 00:22:13 <Drathir> mode +1?
Apr 22 00:22:49 <Drathir> lol sorry....
Apr 22 00:22:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: you can ask me almost everything about n900 xchat
Apr 22 00:23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but I don't know what you want to do
Apr 22 00:24:23 <DocScrutinizer05> btw you might want to use my xchat config files for a basis, some users found them useful
Apr 22 00:24:52 <ron0062000> well when i log in it says set mode to +1 with n900
Apr 22 00:24:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/
Apr 22 00:25:38 <DocScrutinizer05> probably you mean "ron0062000 has set mode +i"
Apr 22 00:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> like that >> [2013-04-21 05:03:41] [Mode] You have set personal modes: +i <<
Apr 22 00:26:56 <DocScrutinizer05> right?
Apr 22 00:27:09 <ron0062000> i don't know how to set mode
Apr 22 00:27:22 <DocScrutinizer05> why do you want to set mode?
Apr 22 00:27:43 <ron0062000> it tell me to
Apr 22 00:27:56 <DocScrutinizer05> no, it tells you that you already did
Apr 22 00:28:06 <ron0062000> o
Apr 22 00:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> the mode is lowercase I
Apr 22 00:29:13 <DocScrutinizer05> gh I jkl
Apr 22 00:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> India
Apr 22 00:29:21 <ron0062000> will yahoo mail work next mouth on n900
Apr 22 00:29:26 <DocScrutinizer05> not 1
Apr 22 00:33:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: you can get general help with /help
Apr 22 00:33:23 * Drathir have user +Ziw channel +Cfjnt
Apr 22 00:33:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ron0062000: and help about modes you can set, with /help umode
Apr 22 00:34:08 <ron0062000> what about yahoo mail?
Apr 22 00:34:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
Apr 22 00:34:48 <DocScrutinizer05> what is with yahoo mail?
Apr 22 00:35:11 <ron0062000> it was on phonescoop.com
Apr 22 00:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Apr 22 00:38:31 <ron0062000> aha yes aha no?
Apr 22 00:39:31 <DocScrutinizer05> aha nfc
Apr 22 00:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~question
Apr 22 00:39:41 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Apr 22 00:45:51 <DocScrutinizer05> >>when starting xchat it prints "You have set personal modes: +i" - what does this mean? What do I need to do about it? I have googled but couldn't find an answer<<
Apr 22 00:45:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ good question
Apr 22 00:46:29 <DocScrutinizer05> >> how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 <<
Apr 22 00:46:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ not so good question
Apr 22 00:47:21 <DocScrutinizer05> >>will yahoo mail work next mouth on n900 - it was on phonescoop.com <<
Apr 22 00:47:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ poor question
Apr 22 02:29:38 <fil> how does one get hold of scratchbox these days, or is there a new approach for building maemo packages now?  (it seems that all the links for scratchbox I have stumbled across on the wiki are dead)
Apr 22 02:40:00 <bef0rd> there's a mirror
Apr 22 02:40:02 <bef0rd> I can't remember
Apr 22 02:40:16 <bef0rd> search maemo logs for scratchbox.org
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