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Apr 27 05:28:53 <k273> hi guys, ltns
Apr 27 05:29:01 <k273> so what's up in maemo channel?
Apr 27 06:24:32 <SpeedEvil> very little
Apr 27 06:24:52 <SpeedEvil> speaking personally, life is getting in the way.
Apr 27 06:25:11 <SpeedEvil> not very little effort, just little traffic, as compared to once.
Apr 27 06:25:40 <k273> ic
Apr 27 06:25:58 <k273> well that's just how life is
Apr 27 06:26:18 <SpeedEvil> if you have a question, aslk it, and lurkers may answer
Apr 27 06:26:24 <k273> yeah, no
Apr 27 06:26:41 <k273> i visited this channel sometimes,
Apr 27 06:26:48 <k273> just because I have N900
Apr 27 06:26:49 <k273> =)
Apr 27 06:27:21 <k273> anything in the horizon for ol' Maemo?
Apr 27 06:27:37 <k273> there is Tizen & Sailfish some time in the future
Apr 27 06:35:46 <SpeedEvil> pretty much
Apr 27 06:35:53 <SpeedEvil> maemo as such is dead
Apr 27 06:36:04 <SpeedEvil> only Nokia could release a new version.
Apr 27 06:36:23 <SpeedEvil> there are too many closed bits that would need reverse engineered
Apr 27 06:36:48 <SpeedEvil> jollamobile is probably the best thing upcoming
Apr 27 09:49:16 <jacekowski> Pali: ping
Apr 27 09:49:25 <Pali> jacekowski: pong
Apr 27 11:06:56 <Win7Mac> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org
Apr 27 11:42:07 <jacekowski> Win7Mac: we know
Apr 27 20:24:17 <sixwheeledbeast> Anybody have a clue why one of my N900's is shown as "Unknown" device type and not "Phone" like the others? Or how to debug?
Apr 27 20:24:37 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: BT?
Apr 27 20:24:57 <sixwheeledbeast> sorry yes
Apr 27 20:25:15 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: check /etc/bluetooth(d?)/main.conf
Apr 27 20:25:19 <freemangordon> for device class
Apr 27 20:25:37 <kerio> yeah, it's one bit in the device class number
Apr 27 20:25:40 <kerio> iirc
Apr 27 20:25:50 <kerio> or no, maybe not, it's just a byte
Apr 27 20:25:57 <sixwheeledbeast> 0x00020c
Apr 27 20:28:14 <kerio> weird
Apr 27 20:28:31 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: repair
Apr 27 20:28:36 <freemangordon> *re-pair
Apr 27 20:29:09 <sixwheeledbeast> comparing two devices the only difference is "Disableplugins" is missing "input"
Apr 27 20:29:20 <kerio> re-pair, yeah
Apr 27 20:30:37 <sixwheeledbeast> I have re-paired several times, first thing I tried
Apr 27 20:31:10 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: what OS?
Apr 27 20:32:57 <sixwheeledbeast> ubuntu raring amd64
Apr 27 20:33:57 <freemangordon> hmm, could be some bug in the OS, do you have another OS installed to try? or another PC nearby?
Apr 27 20:34:39 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: BTW did you remove the device before re-pairing?
Apr 27 20:34:58 <sixwheeledbeast> but the other N900's are showing as "phone", yes deleted and then re-paired. 
Apr 27 20:35:20 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: sure, but they don;t support HID profile
Apr 27 20:36:09 <freemangordon> and ubuntu could oversmart itself when a "phone" supports HID
Apr 27 20:36:23 <freemangordon> just a wild guess
Apr 27 20:37:48 <sixwheeledbeast> but the only difference is the MAC address, surely?
Apr 27 20:38:36 <freemangordon> MAC has nothing to do with the device class
Apr 27 20:42:13 <sixwheeledbeast> "hciconfig hci0 class 0x00020c" seems to work if it will persist
Apr 27 20:55:33 <sixwheeledbeast> it didn't but sorted now
Apr 27 20:57:05 <sixwheeledbeast> rm /var/lib/bluetooth/*/config with bluetoothd stopped, restart then reboot.
Apr 27 20:57:33 <sixwheeledbeast> ~bug7849
Apr 27 20:58:06 <freemangordon> bug 7849
Apr 27 20:58:07 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7849 N900 bluetooth device type is detected as "Other" and never more as "Phone" by other bluetooth devices
Apr 27 20:58:17 <freemangordon> nice
Apr 27 22:02:42 <r00t|n900> escape and tab button disappeared from osso-xterm... any pointers?
Apr 27 22:04:33 <xes> look here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926
Apr 27 22:06:30 <r00t|n900> thanks
Apr 27 22:07:11 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm, I think i'll be adding | to the x-term bar, thanks
Apr 27 22:08:20 <xes> yw ;)
Apr 27 23:16:32 <hardfalcon> hi everyone =)
Apr 27 23:19:49 <hardfalcon> could somebody give me a hint on how to manually mount all the mtd and mmcblk devices on an n900?
Apr 27 23:20:44 <hardfalcon> somehow my system update today went wrong, and now I'm stuck with only uboot and an old archlinux installation on the sd card booting
Apr 27 23:22:33 <xes> you could try with this rescue initrd : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369
Apr 27 23:22:38 <hardfalcon> I've already found out how to mount the rootfs with ubifs, but I'd really like to know in which order I have to mount which file systems before I mount --bind /dev, /sys and /proc so I can chroot into my maemo installation and fix up the mess
Apr 27 23:23:16 <hardfalcon> (mostly reinstalling/reflashing uboot and kernel power 52)
Apr 27 23:23:56 <hardfalcon> oh thanks a lot
Apr 27 23:28:35 <kerio> you don't need a working maemo system to flash a kernel
Apr 27 23:32:15 <hardfalcon> kerio: I don't want to reflash the kernel or even the whole rootfs with flasher/0xFFFF because I'm not entirely sure yet what exactly went wrong, and I don't wanna reset my rootfs (lots of config and other stuff in there which I don't wanna have to recustomize after a reflash)
Apr 27 23:33:18 <hardfalcon> and at the moment neither flasher nor 0xFFFF seem to be able to create a FIASCO image which I could flash back again once I've found the culprit
Apr 27 23:33:35 <hardfalcon> so I'd rather do this one by foot
Apr 27 23:33:56 <kerio> wtf, why don't you have backups?
Apr 27 23:34:28 <kerio> anyway, the second partition of the emmc is ext3 and is normally mounted on /home
Apr 27 23:34:31 <bef0rd> living on the edge
Apr 27 23:35:19 <hardfalcon> well, I do have backups, but I've added some stuff since the last backup (I don't use the phone very often), and besides, backups on the N900 are only good for contacts and your schedule
Apr 27 23:35:44 <kerio> backupmenu makes tarballs of the whole system
Apr 27 23:35:53 <hardfalcon> I've tried that once
Apr 27 23:36:04 <hardfalcon> and it didn't
Apr 27 23:36:18 <hardfalcon> it did save a list of all my installed packages
Apr 27 23:36:28 <kerio> not the "Backup" program
Apr 27 23:36:45 <hardfalcon> ah sorry, I misread your message
Apr 27 23:37:07 <hardfalcon> yes, I think backupmenu will be the second thing to installed once this is cleaned up
Apr 27 23:37:14 <hardfalcon> the first thing will be rescueOS
Apr 27 23:37:51 <kerio> you don't necessarily need to install rescueos
Apr 27 23:37:57 <kerio> you can just load it via usb when you need it
Apr 27 23:37:57 <hardfalcon> I know
Apr 27 23:38:36 <hardfalcon> but I wanna have it installed so the next time I don't have to fiddle around searching for a rescueOS download and the correct cmdline
Apr 27 23:41:57 <xes> hardfalcon: before the last upgrade, were you using multiboot?
Apr 27 23:43:02 <hardfalcon> I was using pali's uboot release from the end of last year, and kernel power 51something from the end of 2012 or the beginning of 2013
Apr 27 23:43:28 <hardfalcon> and for some odd reason, the new uboot has been installed, but not flashed
Apr 27 23:44:18 <hardfalcon> so when the phone boots up, it loads the old uboot, but the boot menu has an entry where I can select to boot uboot "again" - only that *then*, it loads the new uboot from april 2013
Apr 27 23:44:51 <hardfalcon> and with that new uboot, I'm able to boot archlinux off my sd card
Apr 27 23:45:03 <hardfalcon> with the old release, that isn't possible for some odd reason
Apr 27 23:52:20 <kerio> the old release doesn't speak extfs, iirc
Apr 27 23:52:59 <hardfalcon> well, at least it should be able to boot normal maemo installation on the internal flash
Apr 27 23:53:26 <hardfalcon> but it doesn't, with neiter of the uboot versions, with neither kernel power 52 nor the omap kernel
Apr 27 23:54:10 <hardfalcon> hmmm, rescueOS only has a script to mount rootfs
Apr 27 23:54:41 <hardfalcon> but no clue what to do about things like /opt/maemo and so forth
Apr 27 23:56:03 <DocScrutinizer05> those are bindmounts
Apr 27 23:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> would a mounttab relieve your problems?
Apr 27 23:56:50 <hardfalcon> yes I know, but no idea what other mount options they use, and I'm not sure wheter I have all the needed mountpoints in my head
Apr 27 23:57:07 <hardfalcon> I guess that would help a lot, yes :)
Apr 27 23:57:10 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/8744845030
Apr 27 23:57:13 <hardfalcon> thanks =)
Apr 27 23:57:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Apr 28 00:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> your uboot tale is bewildering
Apr 28 00:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> uboot lives as siamese twin with kernel in dev/mtd1 iirc, anyway in NAND's "kernel" partition. I don't see how 2 uBoot could coexist
Apr 28 00:03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe 2 env
Apr 28 00:03:27 <DocScrutinizer05> env completely defines how uBoot menu looks like
Apr 28 00:03:33 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: uboot doesn't have any saved env
Apr 28 00:03:42 <kerio> and he probably just installed u-boot-bootimg
Apr 28 00:03:54 <kerio> doing that lets you chainload uboot from uboot
Apr 28 00:04:42 <hardfalcon> DocScrutinizer05: I have some uImage containing uboot lying around on one of the "normal" file systems
Apr 28 00:04:47 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, right
Apr 28 00:05:18 <hardfalcon> but that uimage contains the *new* uboot, and I'm sure I did not put it in there
Apr 28 00:05:41 <hardfalcon> if it contained the old uboot, I could well imagine I'd put it there some time
Apr 28 00:05:45 <xes> put the candle back... http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1986hys8I1qe9gxzo2_500.gif
Apr 28 00:05:50 <hardfalcon> but certainly not the new uboot release from last week
Apr 28 00:06:02 <DocScrutinizer05> well, one of uBoot's primary duties is to load nootimg's
Apr 28 00:06:12 <DocScrutinizer05> bootimg's even
Apr 28 00:07:32 <kerio> u-boot-bootimg is a moot img
Apr 28 00:07:51 <DocScrutinizer05> usually bootimges contain kernels, but as mentioned above maemo uboot lives in symbiosis with kernel
Apr 28 00:08:02 <kerio> the bootimg doesn't
Apr 28 00:08:12 <DocScrutinizer05> so you indeed could load uboot by uboot
Apr 28 00:08:25 <kerio> and "in symbiosis" means "there's uboot, then zeroes, then maybe a kernel at a specified address"
Apr 28 00:08:52 <kerio> it's like a virtual mtd partition
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