**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 03 02:59:58 2013 May 03 03:42:29 kerio: I fell in love with python again: http://privatepaste.com/static/clients/privatepaste.py May 03 06:12:08 DocScrutinizer05: mmmh May 03 06:12:14 don't quite like it May 03 06:12:17 mmmh? May 03 06:12:25 you can't import it without massive side effects May 03 06:12:54 so you can't use it to also do programmatic pastebinning May 03 06:13:04 I don't want to import a cmdline tool May 03 06:13:32 it should be possible! May 03 06:14:01 i'll mail the privatepaste guys if i remember to do so after i've woken up May 03 06:16:35 got visions? ;-P May 03 06:17:15 got a bed and a n900 May 03 06:18:00 an politician here once said "when somebody has visions, he should consult a neurologist" May 03 06:18:12 the morning ritual is stand up, grab the n900, stop the alarm, go back in bed, check reddit, check irc, wake up May 03 06:19:02 although, to be fair, the waking up usually happens halfway through the checks May 03 06:19:17 anyway, how do you like the new wiki page about elections? May 03 06:20:42 a pity all this awesome stuff is getting done only now when we see a silent n900-user fade away every day May 03 06:22:10 why is craig a password cracker? May 03 06:22:18 eve is evil, makes sense May 03 06:22:31 and alice and bob are A and B May 03 06:22:41 no idea May 03 06:22:49 craig like crack? May 03 06:23:34 hm, i pronounce them very differently May 03 06:26:31 why is john john? May 03 06:27:15 why not jim, or even tiberius? May 03 06:28:10 john the ripper, like jack the ripper :) May 03 06:28:19 hm, key repeat doesn't work anymore May 03 06:28:24 i wonder why May 03 06:28:36 heh, guess who joined jolla May 03 06:28:49 who? May 03 06:28:58 ari jaaksi :P May 03 06:29:11 I think Eve is usually an eavesdropper, not just generically evil. (Compared to Mallory, the malicious attacker.) May 03 06:29:20 fizzie: good point May 03 06:29:31 ShadowJK, well, goodbye Jolla. May 03 06:29:33 eve sniffs, mallory does MITMs May 03 06:29:41 lol May 03 06:31:56 HAH May 03 06:32:23 Jaaksi seems to have the touch of death. May 03 06:32:24 lemme guess... published on twitter? May 03 06:33:17 ShadowJK, got a link for that so I can aggregate it to MWKN? May 03 06:33:37 GeneralAntilles; http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/jolla+gets+new+ceo+and+board/a2182748 May 03 06:35:23 jolla needs a phone ... grr May 03 06:35:49 In the finish version, the reported claimed to have seen and used the phone May 03 06:36:06 But isn't even allowed to describe it :) May 03 06:37:07 i got my wife a note2 and android pisses me, would be nice if jolla could make a stunt and release sailfish images for existing phones. I think i would even pay for the os alone if its reasonable priced May 03 06:37:30 Wait, what, Jaaksi was at McAfee??? May 03 06:38:24 cehteh; seems like half the work is making it work nicely on specific hw May 03 06:38:47 i know May 03 06:38:48 cehteh, BB10 is not an unreasonable stop-gap option. May 03 06:38:51 ~wtf CIO May 03 06:38:53 Gee... I don't know what CIO means... May 03 06:39:01 ~uselss May 03 06:39:05 Chief Information Officer May 03 06:39:07 ~useless May 03 06:39:08 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( May 03 06:39:13 but from a consumer view it would be just nice to have a choice in OS May 03 06:39:16 ~CIO May 03 06:39:22 DocScrutinizer05, just do a web search like a normal person. :P May 03 06:39:28 ~CIO is Chief Information Officer May 03 06:39:29 okay, DocScrutinizer05 May 03 06:39:42 meh May 03 06:41:14 GeneralAntilles: maybe add a function to my browser so the google results pop up as tooltip whenever I hover over a word longer than 1s ? ;-P May 03 06:41:34 DocScrutinizer05, pretty sure there are plugins for that. May 03 06:41:40 wait, there's been that before May 03 06:42:12 I know a Vietnamese friend has something where she can right-click for a definition in Firefox. May 03 06:46:03 >>China’s official smart phone platform<< WTF, do they also have an official toilet paper color, and an official fruit tea flavor? May 03 06:46:25 sure May 03 06:46:38 I know why I dislike China May 03 06:46:43 lead, and lead May 03 06:46:52 LOL May 03 06:47:37 Well, they are a communist country. May 03 06:47:48 lead, like 82? May 03 06:47:55 The official cpu is mips May 03 06:48:42 not exactly, only a mips clone to be true :o) May 03 06:49:02 they bought license now May 03 06:49:04 wtf means "official" here? May 03 06:49:11 wow May 03 06:49:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson May 03 06:50:31 DocScrutinizer05; you get to appear on propaganda posters May 03 06:52:07 ME? May 03 06:52:13 o.O May 03 06:52:45 didnt rms use one of this loongson laptops? May 03 06:53:33 DocScrutinizer05; if you were declared official helpdesk person May 03 06:53:51 http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/ .. yeah remmebered right :) May 03 06:54:01 oooh, I pray for not it May 03 06:54:50 well, RMS.... *cough* May 03 06:55:50 :> May 03 07:05:55 http://greg.kh.usesthis.com/ is kinda more relevant and also more inspiring, at least to me May 03 07:06:42 well i wont use a macbook :P May 03 07:11:56 hey May 03 07:13:51 i have a process called image-viewer which has occupied 370mb of vram May 03 07:14:55 i suppose that is the photo app,right? May 03 07:16:23 any ideas? May 03 08:45:47 hmm, mine uses 37MB May 03 08:50:22 and it's probably more likely the gallery May 03 08:50:45 photo app sounds like camera May 03 08:51:29 hmm, Uptime: 42 days, 11:05:49 May 03 09:04:15 camera app keeps randomly crashing on me :-/ May 03 09:04:46 err, yeah, somewhat known May 03 09:06:09 though I never seen it with stock camera, despite experts explain to me it's the DSP driver or whatever and that stays unchanged no matter which camera-app you're using. My only cam-app crashes been with cssu cam May 03 09:06:25 yah May 03 09:06:48 i am running cssu... the stock "camera" app keeps randomly crashing May 03 09:07:09 Macer: any chance to get a coredump? May 03 09:07:18 usually it is when i do odd things.. like delete a pic during a preview May 03 09:07:34 freemangordon: no. i didnt really look into it much yet. havent had time May 03 09:07:50 i was just hoping it was a known issue with a known solution May 03 09:07:59 microb does the same May 03 09:08:20 usually it is when typing in an address when it tries to pull the history or suggestion May 03 09:08:26 Macer: well, all it takes is to install sp-rich-core May 03 09:08:41 sp-rich-core? May 03 09:09:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/sp-rich-core May 03 09:10:37 oh May 03 09:10:41 interesting May 03 09:10:53 i will enable devel and install it May 03 09:11:13 Macer: it is not -n -devel May 03 09:11:17 *in May 03 09:11:46 oh May 03 09:11:46 where is it? May 03 09:11:49 i dont see the pkg May 03 09:11:51 tools? May 03 09:11:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation May 03 09:12:08 deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free May 03 09:12:28 oh May 03 09:12:35 ok May 03 09:12:50 lol, my .install May 03 09:12:59 already forgot about it May 03 09:14:31 Macer: iirc one should create the directory for coredump files by hand. not sure on that one though May 03 09:14:53 >>If you prefer to edit configuration files yourself instead of using the Application manager, add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list<< WUT? May 03 09:15:03 NFC May 03 09:15:12 though this will work May 03 09:15:17 maybe in diabloß May 03 09:15:34 heh May 03 09:15:45 no, this works in maemo too, if you use apt-get ofc May 03 09:15:49 i just did it in app manager May 03 09:15:54 my /etc/apt/sources.list is 0 bytes, and i thought that's for a reason May 03 09:16:29 Macer: god boy May 03 09:16:33 good even May 03 09:16:40 if you create a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d (foo.list) it will even appear in HAM ;) May 03 09:16:43 hah May 03 09:16:49 the repos from foo.list that is May 03 09:17:02 freemangordon: yep, that's what I thought May 03 09:17:14 ok... so should i just install the sp-rich-* stuff? May 03 09:17:39 let me see :) May 03 09:17:42 Macer: yep, just install sp-rich-core. and maybe syslog May 03 09:18:43 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if crash-reporter is somehow related to nitro May 03 09:19:02 DocScrutinizer05: nitro? May 03 09:19:17 sysklogd? May 03 09:19:19 an email alias et al, in maemo May 03 09:19:36 was that the automated process/site to upload those coredumps? May 03 09:19:39 email alias? May 03 09:20:07 DocScrutinizer05: do we have that one? May 03 09:20:09 http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+nitro May 03 09:20:42 why does running klogd seem May 03 09:20:55 like something that will murder my battery? :) May 03 09:21:04 Macer: it won't May 03 09:21:19 ok so May 03 09:21:24 how do i use it? May 03 09:21:30 I am running my device with syslog enabled since the begining of time May 03 09:21:31 :D May 03 09:21:44 cat /var/log/syslog May 03 09:21:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89741 answers my question May 03 09:22:04 not syslog May 03 09:22:07 sp-rich May 03 09:22:18 to find out what is killing the camera May 03 09:22:22 * DocScrutinizer05 lols at anybody thinking nitro was used for anything during last 2 or 3 years May 03 09:22:22 Macer: you don;t need to run anything May 03 09:22:44 or was it?? :-o May 03 09:22:49 ok.. so lets see.... May 03 09:22:54 Macer: it will automagically create a coredump file on a process crash May 03 09:23:07 where does it put it? May 03 09:23:20 Macer: read the wiki article :P May 03 09:24:08 yeah, and crash-reporter uploads that coredump plus associated cruft to nitro May 03 09:24:11 aiui May 03 09:24:12 Macer: so all you need to do after you got a crash is to upload camera-ui.xxxxxx richcore file and ping me ;) May 03 09:24:17 where it bitrots May 03 09:24:30 DocScrutinizer05: any chance to bring this up? May 03 09:25:00 (once there is enough free disk space) May 03 09:26:08 Macer: BTW it is recommended to reboot after installing syslog May 03 09:26:24 oh May 03 09:26:26 hmm, why not May 03 09:26:33 i will reboot later May 03 09:26:42 but first somebody needs to explain what for it's used anyway May 03 09:27:07 I never heard of nitro until maybe 6 weeks ago May 03 09:27:09 Macer: as not everyone understands there is syslog installed :D May 03 09:27:24 DocScrutinizer05: for crash-reporting ;) May 03 09:27:31 heh May 03 09:27:32 TO WHOM? May 03 09:27:37 CSSU? May 03 09:27:45 the hildon foundation May 03 09:27:49 hehe May 03 09:27:49 * Macer hides May 03 09:28:42 oh May 03 09:28:47 DocScrutinizer05: i though one of the things CSSU should take care of is the bugs in the system applications. May 03 09:28:49 ok... it makes its own dirs May 03 09:28:53 and dumps it there May 03 09:29:00 nice May 03 09:29:12 do you succeed to make it crash? May 03 09:29:17 now i just need something to crash May 03 09:29:21 no... i tried May 03 09:29:22 ooh May 03 09:29:26 it is quite random May 03 09:29:31 ok. no hurry May 03 09:29:49 the cam usually does it when i am taking a pic of something important May 03 09:29:49 freemangordon: draft a suggestion, council and techstaff will help May 03 09:29:58 or trying to get real video of a UFO May 03 09:30:12 it will crash as Flanork zips away into spalce May 03 09:30:14 space May 03 09:30:29 freemangordon: we're NOT going to investigate what's nitro and how it been supposed to work and how to put it back to purpose, possibly new purpose May 03 09:30:34 DocScrutinizer05: ok. will discuss with the other CSSU guys firts. I guess this should come from merlin1991 May 03 09:30:58 DocScrutinizer05: well, iiuc it is just a file server May 03 09:31:06 maybe nitro is selling the dump info to google May 03 09:31:17 DocScrutinizer05: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter May 03 09:31:47 http://privatepaste.com/52ec363f02 May 03 09:31:57 wow May 03 09:32:07 freemangordon: does it .... work? May 03 09:32:32 Macer: crash-reporter? NFC, never tried it :D May 03 09:32:35 *burrp* May 03 09:32:37 but it is supposed to May 03 09:32:40 i mean.. where does it upload and is it still working? May 03 09:32:42 haha May 03 09:33:15 DocScrutinizer05 is going to realize where all that missing maemo.org space has gone May 03 09:33:26 what missing space? May 03 09:33:34 i'm joking May 03 09:33:41 in coredumps? sounds possible :D May 03 09:33:47 yeah May 03 09:33:52 anyway nitro seems rather unrelated to maemo5 May 03 09:33:54 2TB in cam coredumps May 03 09:33:57 heh May 03 09:34:29 maybe I should look into that crash-reporter some day May 03 09:35:43 maybe we actually could start to provide a location wehere everybody is free to upload tens or hundreds of MB, without any auth May 03 09:36:01 so devels have a place where they can look... for latest pr0n May 03 09:36:34 let's call that nitro then, and pretend everything in there is a coredump May 03 09:36:54 yep, sounds like a good idea. So you'll become a pr0nmaster :P May 03 09:38:00 "watch freemangordon dumping his core really deep into.... *cough*" errr May 03 09:38:24 heh :D May 03 09:40:00 WTF?!? SB VM crashed :( May 03 09:40:05 shit May 03 09:44:59 huh? May 03 09:45:08 yours or maemo's? May 03 09:45:15 mine May 03 09:45:44 o.O May 03 09:46:52 /dev/xvdc 768G 724G 37G 96% /var/repository May 03 09:46:54 /dev/xvdd 65G 32G 30G 52% /var/tabletsdev May 03 09:46:55 joerg@stage:~$ May 03 09:49:55 hmmm, maybe somebody should spread the "news": http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ May 03 09:50:41 though, LOL, I doubt the auth will work May 03 09:50:52 where's my IMEI? May 03 09:52:15 DocScrutinizer05: to my surprise it works ;) May 03 09:53:02 indeed May 03 09:53:15 it's crawling, but works May 03 09:53:25 ~tabletsdev May 03 09:53:33 ~listkeys tabletsdev May 03 09:53:35 Factoid search of 'tabletsdev' by key returned no results. May 03 09:53:43 ~listvalues tabletsdev May 03 09:53:46 Factoid search of 'tabletsdev' by value returned no results. May 03 09:53:58 ~tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ May 03 09:53:59 DocScrutinizer05: okay May 03 09:54:06 hmm, "An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.cc8ef50.1367574810.2778efa9" May 03 09:54:33 hmm? May 03 09:54:38 where? May 03 09:54:41 that's when I click on "Command line flasher binaries are available here." May 03 09:54:50 that's *.nokia.com May 03 09:55:03 ooh, yes :) May 03 09:55:11 I am stupid, am I May 03 09:55:37 but yeah, obviously the links in html src never got adjusted May 03 09:56:01 well, I guess a simple sed will fix that May 03 09:56:12 prolly May 03 09:56:40 but this also shows what tabletsdev.maemo.org originally been May 03 14:59:49 TMO down :/ May 03 15:06:38 DocScrutinizer05: we have our own tablets-dev mirror now? :D May 03 19:02:00 hey people, where can I find mupen64plus configuration for nokia n900 still alive links I mean May 03 20:51:03 I updated one bme replacement deb package libbmeipc0 with new code. library now pass my bmeclient testing application May 03 20:51:14 kerio, see ^ May 03 20:51:33 (I do not know who testing/using my bme replacement packages...) May 03 21:17:50 ugh... why won't this thing calibrate... May 03 21:39:38 new version of kernel-power-settings 0.17 is here for testing May 03 21:39:43 see TMO post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1341021&postcount=62 May 03 21:42:23 I wish it were possible to directly write in the mAh value you think it is... heh May 03 21:43:54 my n900 thinks I have a 2074mAh battery, the device goes dead when bq27xxx reports ~900mAh... May 03 21:59:56 who has problem that after upgrading kp51 to kp52 with cssu (devel installed) caused battery applet non working, see this TMO post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1341023&postcount=63 May 03 22:00:23 ecc3g, maybe this problem? ^^^ May 03 22:03:16 [general] bmo and wmo notification mails fixed May 03 22:11:51 DocScrutinizer05, what is wmo? May 03 22:12:01 ~wmo May 03 22:12:20 o.O May 03 22:12:23 ~bmo May 03 22:12:24 bmo is probably bugs.maemo.org May 03 22:12:31 ~wmo May 03 22:12:44 ~literal bmo May 03 22:12:44 "#maemo bmo" is "bugs.maemo.org" May 03 22:13:04 ~#maemo wmo is wiki.maemo.org May 03 22:13:05 DocScrutinizer05: okay May 03 22:13:13 ah wiki :-) May 03 22:18:56 DocScrutinizer05: ivgalvez created list of maemo packages which should be promoted. now I found link to that list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AubSh-ONkzPndFN3ZFBKMUJOb05tdV9Ub3oyaHFKZ0E&gid=0 May 03 22:22:54 and here is wiki page: https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Darp May 03 22:24:40 DocScrutinizer05: something new about maemo.org package interface & log in? May 03 22:25:08 Pali: no experts May 03 22:25:24 Eero had no time to look into it yet, it seems May 03 22:26:15 Pali: (promoting) merlin1991 is repo maintainer, please discuss it with him May 03 22:26:25 I have *no* idea May 03 22:26:40 DocScrutinizer05, is still ferenc around? May 03 22:26:58 he complains every now and then about mail he still gets May 03 22:27:22 you/we can mail him directly, anyway May 03 22:30:09 DocScrutinizer05, can I ask (send mail) ferenc about that security problem? or did you already tried it? May 03 22:30:30 we didn't, so yes, go ahead May 03 22:31:12 though I guess midgard is not his fav domain May 03 22:33:47 I think only one there who likes midgard is bergie, as he made it. But when the boss says "use this thing I made for this"... Even if you don't like it, you use it. :P May 03 22:34:41 btw, where is ivgalvez? May 03 22:34:45 Anywho... Off for the weekend. Will have limited network connectivity, but should have cell/SMS still. May 03 22:35:04 Woody14619: enjoy! May 03 22:35:07 Pali: Probably still moving. May 03 22:35:21 Woody14619: please be around on monday/tuesday May 03 22:35:30 Woody14619: you know, end of elections May 03 22:35:52 I'd like to know what is state of above ivgalvez list of packages which are stable and ready for promoting... May 03 22:36:01 Should be. Monday am will be iffy for me. Big IT cut-over that I fear will make things explode. May 03 22:36:13 But by that night should be fine. May 03 22:36:34 as long as I can SMs you... ;-D May 03 22:36:48 Taking the last of the ancients off-line. Old Win2K server that's been running since.. well.. 2K. :) May 03 22:37:40 IIS 2.0 -> IIS 8.0, lots of other big hits... new setup is working fine in the lab, but... Monday is swap day (am). May 03 22:37:41 Pali: you should join that other chan May 03 22:38:09 we need somebody taking care of that midgard stuff May 03 22:38:35 even if it's only for sending mails to prod original devels May 03 22:40:21 K, off to enjoy the last bits of sanity I'll have over the next week. :P Have a good weekend! May 03 22:43:43 o/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 04 02:59:58 2013