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May 04 10:55:27 <ashley> hmm, someone should probably update http://wiki.maemo.org/File:Top_level_architecture.png since even http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo notes that the image is likely outdated ("NOTE: This list probably contains some items that are at the time of writing, actually free software. There is an email thread aiming to clarify this, and once those clarifications are made certain items will be removed from the following list of non-free packages.")
May 04 10:57:05 <rikanee> ashley: the Maemo 5 versions of those are largely closed, however some were opened in MeeGo (not exactly API-compatible)
May 04 11:45:58 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 04 11:46:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~closed
May 04 11:46:04 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
May 04 12:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: ping
May 04 12:48:09 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: pong
May 04 13:52:14 <i_link_system_> Nokia N900 lovely N9  ok jolla not sue
May 04 13:52:33 <i_link_system_> not so sure I mean
May 04 14:01:10 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
May 04 14:01:18 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (9d 2h 29m 21s) #harmattan (9d 2h 29m 21s) #meego (9d 2h 29m 21s) #maemo-ssu (9d 2h 29m 21s), last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'.
May 04 14:50:54 <trumee> ~ping
May 04 14:50:55 <infobot> ~pong
May 04 16:44:57 <sLumPia> Do I need to convert zImage to uImage to boot kernel-cssu on u-boot?
May 04 16:45:38 <sLumPia> I have this line on /etc/bootmenu.d/20-Maemo-kernel-cssu.item
May 04 16:45:40 <sLumPia> ITEM_NAME="Maemo 5 kernel cssu"
May 04 16:46:07 <sLumPia> ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-2.6.28.10-cssu3"
May 04 16:46:18 <sLumPia> ITEM_OMAPATAG="1"
May 04 16:46:57 <sLumPia> But when I try to boot to Maemo 5 kernel cssu, it always loading backupmenu
May 04 16:47:19 <sLumPia> It can't directly boot to kernel-cssu
May 04 16:47:27 <sLumPia> why is that?
May 04 16:52:50 <kerio> if you're using cssu-thumb, and stuff works, you *are* running kernel-cssu (or kernel-power)
May 04 16:53:12 <kerio> the fanoush bootmenu will run whenever you start maemo with the keyboard slider open
May 04 16:53:17 <kerio> regardless of kernel
May 04 16:53:42 <kerio> and you MUST NOT boot with the stock kernel if you've installed cssu-thumb
May 04 16:53:43 <kerio> ~2119
May 04 16:53:43 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
May 04 17:17:34 <Sc0rpius> I didn't know CSSU thumb had another kernel
May 04 17:19:55 <kerio> Sc0rpius: you need the workaround for the SiErr
May 04 17:20:36 <kerio> ARM errata 430973 and ARM errata 657417
May 04 17:20:53 <Sc0rpius> Yeah I remember that
May 04 17:20:55 <kerio> the former needs a tiny kernel patch, the latter needs a workaround in binutils
May 04 17:20:56 <freemangordon> kerio: only the first one
May 04 17:21:12 <freemangordon> yep
May 04 17:21:16 <kerio> i was getting there
May 04 17:21:21 <freemangordon> :)
May 04 20:32:41 <Mr_Stupid> How long does it take to get that maemo-garage invitatio?
May 04 20:33:14 <freemangordon> not much. usually :)
May 04 20:33:47 <Mr_Stupid> Did the request on friday
May 04 20:34:11 <freemangordon> yesterday?
May 04 20:34:39 <Mr_Stupid> yes
May 04 20:34:53 <freemangordon> well, not THAT fast ;)
May 04 20:35:06 <Mr_Stupid> so it may take a few days?
May 04 20:35:44 <freemangordon> yep
May 04 20:35:52 <Mr_Stupid> k, thx
May 04 20:36:03 <Mr_Stupid> btw. 720p recording <3
May 04 20:36:36 <freemangordon> :)
May 04 21:11:08 <freemangordon> Estel_: hmm, do you use dosbox? i've just thumb-compiled it, but need some "reference" on how well it does compared to "stock"
May 04 23:22:35 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, tell me who's processing those requests now
May 04 23:22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: ^^^
May 04 23:22:53 <DocScrutinizer05> (garahe)
May 04 23:22:53 <freemangordon> merlin1991?
May 04 23:37:34 <DocScrutinizer05> then he knows more than me about it
May 04 23:38:20 <DocScrutinizer05> and that's a forbidden state in general physics
May 04 23:38:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 04 23:41:15 <DocScrutinizer05> btw merlin1991 is repo maintainer, but I dunno who's our garage maintainer
May 04 23:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> if account approval is even a genuine garage task
May 04 23:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd almost bet all this still goes to X-Fade
May 04 23:51:07 <DocScrutinizer05> alas sysops are so integer that we can't even check what emails get sent to him
May 04 23:51:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
May 04 23:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> this would be illegal
May 04 23:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> but I can tell you that I frown at this postfix alias file since weeks
May 04 23:53:00 <DocScrutinizer05> it has only a few 100s of @maemo.org aliases
May 04 23:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> incl and not ending at such funny stuff like security at maemo.org etc
May 04 23:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 95% of those point to either dead destinations (at nokia com), or to ferenc and niels
May 04 23:55:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ferenc a few days ago complained about ATgarage.m.o mails he still receives
May 04 23:56:10 <DocScrutinizer05> he redirected that particular alias to sth generic, which probably again points to dev/null
May 04 23:56:16 <zammy> hey
May 04 23:56:54 <zammy> how can I get all my mobile provider settings?
May 05 00:14:11 <DocScrutinizer05> zammy must have gotten wrong sth about the idea behinf IRC
May 05 00:14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> drive-by-asker, or rather ask-and-run
May 05 00:47:23 <Win7Mac> last meeting was a fun read... for a split second. Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ?
May 05 00:56:15 <Macer> hm
May 05 00:56:28 <Macer> the camera crashed but i can't find this damn crashlog
May 05 00:56:29 <Macer> :-/
May 05 01:01:03 <Macer> i'm not seeing core-dumps
May 05 01:01:04 <Macer> wtf?
May 05 01:01:09 <Macer> oh wait. i think i know why
May 05 01:01:25 <Macer> i still haven't rebooted? maybe the daemon didn't start?
May 05 01:06:37 <Macer> ok uhm
May 05 01:06:40 <Macer> this sp-rich-core
May 05 01:06:43 <Macer> isn't doing anything
May 05 01:09:45 <Macer> so i still have no idea why the cam crashes :(
May 05 02:22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<Win7Mac> ... Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ?)) haha, *I* didn't ask for deletion of this thread. So probably somebody got sober and gone "WTF I *did* there?"
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