**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 08 02:59:58 2013 May 08 04:59:52 GeneralAntilles: now you at least have some tiny new bits for retroactive updating of http://www.mwkn.net/2013/18/front.html May 08 05:12:54 ShadowJK, is the sense resistor for the charger different than the one for the charge meter? May 08 06:19:01 DocScrutinizer05: get sixwheeledbeast and thedead1440 to drop, maybe? May 08 09:22:17 unclouded; yes May 08 09:24:13 unclouded; bq27200 has two 10-ish mohm sense resistors in series, of which one is shared with cellmo iirc.. bq24150 has a 68mR-ish sense resistor May 08 09:44:41 Pali: i don't know if you are aware, but u-boot in extras-devel repo is broken. for some reason apt-get wants to install the older version, not the new one :( May 08 09:56:03 freemangordon: run: apt-cache policy u-boot-flasher May 08 09:56:42 Pali: already did it, it is the older version listed May 08 09:56:52 apt-get update does not fix it May 08 09:57:05 new version is missing? May 08 09:57:19 do you have extras-devel enabled? May 08 09:57:57 really DEB package is not there: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/u/u-boot/ May 08 09:58:03 it is there May 08 09:58:09 i wget and installed it May 08 09:58:11 ah, is there May 08 09:58:16 old version is not there May 08 09:58:26 but apt wants to install the older version May 08 09:58:40 and what is output of apt-cache policy? May 08 09:58:42 cheers ShadowJK. the 68 ohm value makes sense with the V(charge) and V(term) values in the comments but not with $CR? ( which is 132, not 68) May 08 10:00:00 oh, CR is something else, it represents losses between charger chip and the battery May 08 10:00:39 I only use it for estimating system power use during the CV phase of charging May 08 10:01:19 aha. thanks for explaining that. now other comments in the script become clear to me May 08 10:01:30 The RS (bq27200 sense) I've varied between 20 and 21 on my devices, CR between 128 and 132 on my various devices May 08 10:06:00 The CR thing in practice, on the device, doesn't behave entirely ohmic May 08 10:14:46 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/08/nokia_shareholders_revolt_over_elop/ May 08 10:20:52 good morning. May 08 10:21:04 the whole thing behaves rather erratic at times May 08 10:21:06 Can someone tell me what the dickens has happened to libpcre3? May 08 10:21:30 It is not in extras, testing, devel. May 08 10:21:38 But it was before. May 08 10:21:56 o.O May 08 10:22:18 it is not in repo, or not in packages.gz? May 08 10:22:39 I am not sure. May 08 10:22:45 Kismet depnds on it. May 08 10:22:52 Kismet USED to install just fine. May 08 10:22:58 Now it complains there is no libpcre3 May 08 10:23:17 apt-cache search agress, there is no libpcre3 in any repo. May 08 10:23:27 ^agrees May 08 10:24:44 kismet: Depends: libpcre3 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable May 08 10:27:28 kerio: ping May 08 10:34:49 DocScrutinizer05: What do you get if you run 'apt-cache search libpcre3' May 08 10:47:34 IroN900:~# apt-cache search libpcre3 May 08 10:47:35 libpcre3 - Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files May 08 10:48:18 vi__: which repo *exactly* do you use? where it should find this lib? May 08 10:48:57 btw: May 08 10:49:01 Installed: 6.7-1osso1+r1 May 08 10:49:02 Candidate: 6.7-1osso1+r1 May 08 10:50:17 and PRETTY PLEASE somebody FIX this friggin apt-cache to print full repo spec incl full pathname, not inly host part of URL! May 08 10:50:18 I have: May 08 10:50:25 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free May 08 10:50:32 deb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/ fremantle free non-free May 08 10:50:46 deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free May 08 10:51:07 vi__: I don't need your complete apt config ;-) May 08 10:51:29 DocScrutinizer05: what repo do you have that I do not? May 08 10:52:03 that's probably irrelevant since I most likely changed them 20 times since that lib got installed May 08 10:52:19 damn May 08 10:52:38 ~pkgs May 08 10:52:38 somebody said #maemo pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ May 08 10:52:45 but if it is in your apt-cache, that means it is in your available package list? May 08 10:53:11 or in my cache May 08 10:53:25 right? May 08 10:53:38 anyway May 08 10:53:48 *** 6.7-1osso1+r1 0 May 08 10:53:50 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages May 08 10:53:51 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages May 08 10:53:54 and PRETTY PLEASE somebody FIX this friggin apt-cache to print full repo spec incl full pathname, not inly host part of URL! May 08 10:54:13 can't be more than max 2 src lines to patch May 08 10:54:32 probably rather just comment out some filtering May 08 10:55:02 though HAH, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com May 08 10:55:05 ;-P May 08 10:55:36 guess what, I think you're doomed ;-) May 08 10:55:52 I've requested an invitation to upload into extras-devel wednesday last week and still can't upload, does it usually take that long? May 08 10:56:10 *usually* not May 08 10:56:31 but we had very little "usually" since migration#2 May 08 10:56:48 merlin1991: ^^^ May 08 10:56:49 Should i request the invitation again? May 08 10:56:58 won't help May 08 10:57:30 either it ends again in /dev/null or the guy responsible is still not responsive May 08 10:57:52 merlin1991: are you the guy who's not responsive? ;-D May 08 10:58:26 I think merlin told he can approve garage project or accounts or whatever May 08 10:58:42 dunno if he also gets the relevant mail regarding that May 08 10:58:51 k, thx May 08 10:58:52 we might need to fix a postfix alias May 08 10:59:23 best advice: stay tuned here, pester merlin1991 and me once a day May 08 10:59:59 2nd best adbice: if best advice fails, send a mail to techstaff at m.o May 08 11:00:09 DocScrutinizer05: Thankyou. libpcre3 installed. May 08 11:00:15 o.O May 08 11:00:32 where from you pulled it? May 08 11:00:39 * vi__ hands doc a steaming cup of black coffee and an ice cold beer for later. May 08 11:00:41 ~tabletsdev May 08 11:00:41 it has been said that tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ May 08 11:00:44 ? May 08 11:00:53 errr May 08 11:00:59 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ May 08 11:01:02 ~skeiron May 08 11:01:02 methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 May 08 11:01:08 oooh May 08 11:03:13 even OOOOOH fremantle_ssu_pr1-2 OOOOOH May 08 11:04:04 cya all May 08 11:04:14 * DocScrutinizer05 grabs the coffee and the beer May 08 14:41:44 DocScrutinizer05: I only get mails for garage projects, nothing for extras upload rights May 08 17:23:55 and... my brain just exploded. WebGL compiler compiles C/C++ into asm.js for use in HTML5 browsers..... <*BAM*> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/html5-epic-citadel-demo-shows-the-power-of-opengl-in-the-browser/ May 08 17:24:20 freemangordon Ready to compile maemo-thumb into HTML5? :) ^^^ May 08 17:27:02 Woody14619: actually alopex(embedlite for fremantle) kinda supports webgl ;). though there are some nit to be fixed May 08 18:03:07 M4rtinK: ping May 08 18:06:47 DocScrutinizer05: are you going to resign from one of the two councils? May 08 18:06:58 you were joking, right May 08 18:07:36 I'm not going to resign from either, since in 4 weeks they are one May 08 18:07:47 :o May 08 18:07:47 how May 08 18:07:56 otherwise I'll probably resign from both May 08 18:08:44 since then workload for each single one of them will be higher than for the unified one May 08 18:09:35 kerio: there are ways to handle stuff when all are unanimously pushing into one direction May 08 18:51:18 nokia x2 a good phone? I need something cheap with good battery life (and I like nokia). I see a bunch of them on ebay for cheap... May 08 19:35:05 Pali: pong May 08 19:35:34 M4rtinK, why is modrana compiling on device and not on autobuilder? May 08 19:36:40 Pali: because I was not able to make autobuilder do that May 08 19:36:56 ah, so because autobuilder :D May 08 19:36:57 then ok May 08 19:37:22 I tried some directives that should do that - python-support something DH something May 08 19:37:28 you can try to play with sbox redirect May 08 19:37:34 but it didn't do anything :) May 08 19:37:42 I do not know exact env name May 08 19:38:16 but there is something which tell sbox to do not use binaries which comes with sbox May 08 19:38:38 well I could also just ship the bytecode May 08 19:39:30 modRana works just fine with only pyc files on Android :) May 08 19:39:52 the issue would be where to get Python 2.5 these days to do the compilation :) May 08 19:40:32 so the current solution, while making the install phase a bit longer, is IMHO more robust int the end May 08 19:42:17 as 1) you use the same Python as the same Python to compile & run the code 2) you just need to make a simple source package without additional magic :) May 08 19:42:18 can you precompile pyc files in local scratchbox? May 08 19:43:09 yeah, that could work May 08 19:43:36 I think that including it source dsc package is better then compiling on device May 08 19:44:05 BTW, what is the policy ? May 08 19:44:18 ship only pyc or both py & pyc ? May 08 19:44:41 in dsc source package should be full source code May 08 19:45:25 well, shouldn't be that much bigger May 08 19:45:28 and in binary deb package something "executable" May 08 19:46:32 I do not know policy of python, but if you do not expect that somebody want to edit python files on device you can ship only pyc files in DEB package... May 08 19:50:48 oh, yeah, good point ! :) May 08 19:51:19 gpodder does .py only May 08 19:51:21 I've actually already told people a few times to hack the source until a fix is released for an issue :) May 08 19:52:53 pyc only would lose that :) May 08 19:53:04 ShadowJK: well, I haven't checked the how much faster it is May 08 19:53:09 lately May 08 19:53:20 but there should be some startup speed bonus May 08 19:53:46 and every speedup counts on the N900 :) May 08 19:53:59 I compiled gpodder on my n900 and didn't notice any boost in startup May 08 19:56:40 well, modRana has a built-in startup benchmark I can run :) May 08 19:57:27 Well I use "time" and counted cpu time to open and close May 08 19:57:36 hmm...why does gpodder take so long to start up... searching the whole machine for podcasts? May 08 19:57:51 No it has a database for that May 08 19:59:00 about 10 seconds, not way too bad I guess. May 08 19:59:35 it does have 24MB RSS... ouch. May 08 20:01:27 How many existing member(s) in HCC are still in HCC? May 08 20:02:04 s/HCC/HFC/ May 08 20:02:04 n900-dk_ meant: How many existing member(s) in HFC are still in HCC? May 08 20:08:59 ShadowJK, Pali: wow, the difference between compiled and uncompiled is quite big ! May 08 20:09:28 3.5 s for compiled, 6-15 s for plain py May 08 20:10:09 just py_compilefiles? May 08 20:11:56 well, I've wiped all .py and .pyo May 08 20:12:04 then run modRana May 08 20:12:09 and then again May 08 20:12:17 on a rw fs May 08 20:12:34 so it made the bytecode during the first run May 08 20:13:42 hmm, there might be a difference on r/o filesystem (as for an app in /opt) as there would be no file writing overhead May 08 20:14:03 i thought pyo was pyc but "optimized" May 08 20:14:27 BTW, full benchmark without bytecode: http://pastebin.com/VSYA1jRK May 08 20:14:40 and with bytecode: http://pastebin.com/qyJzrKAQ May 08 20:16:40 hmm May 08 20:17:24 looks like the difference from pyc is only missing docstrings and asserts (?): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8822335/what-the-different-python-file-extensions-stand-for May 08 21:04:06 M4rtinK: .pyos aren't really worth it May 08 21:05:23 kerio: so I'm doing it right :) May 08 21:43:25 hi all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 09 02:59:58 2013