**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 09 02:59:58 2013
May 09 04:47:10 <andre__> oh awesome, bugs.maemo.org redirects to wiki.maemo.org
May 09 06:09:59 <DocScrutinizer05> andre__: we had to take it down until somebody applies necessary security patches to bugzilla
May 09 06:10:22 <DocScrutinizer05> andre__: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1341977&postcount=65
May 09 06:13:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I tried to ping you about that 1 or 2 days ago, to inform you directly and ask you about your opinion regarding maintainership for bugzilla. Meanwhile freemangordon has been shanghaied
May 09 06:14:08 <andre__> makes sense
May 09 06:14:28 <andre__> somebody needs to upgrade
May 09 06:14:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 09 06:14:42 <andre__> even if you apply all 3.4 patches, there are enough open issues left
May 09 06:14:46 <andre__> as 3.4 is not maintained anymore
May 09 06:15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I'm afraid the patch I suggested is not really sufficient
May 09 06:15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> our sysops already made a backup of the wiki/bugs VM, and FMG will tackle it on weekend IIRC
May 09 06:16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope he will do "the right thing"
May 09 06:16:46 <DocScrutinizer05> but of course you're free to discuss with him what's the correct and sensible way forward
May 09 06:17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't handle every single aspect of every single subsystem's maintenance myself, I need to rely on my maintainers to take good care
May 09 08:08:44 <Pali> ccxCZ: ping
May 09 08:09:39 <ccxCZ> pong
May 09 08:15:08 <ccxCZ> Pali: didn't really had time to play with 0xFFFF but at least my /dev/bus/usb problem is magically gone now
May 09 08:15:42 <Pali> ccxCZ: ok do you have still some segfauls?
May 09 08:17:06 <ccxCZ> let me check with head
May 09 08:18:17 <ccxCZ> or rather, let me boot to new kernel first :-)
May 09 09:23:18 <DocScrutinizer05> moo
May 09 09:28:58 <vi__> ShadowJK: You compiled gpodder?
May 09 09:29:31 <vi__> Did you notice any improvement in running speed?
May 09 09:32:46 <Mr_Stupid> Oorgle!
May 09 09:33:18 <Apic> Bleat.
May 09 09:33:40 <vi__> Bleeeeargh!
May 09 09:34:11 <Mr_Stupid> Not bad :)
May 09 09:46:46 <kerio> µ
May 09 10:47:45 <ShadowJK> vi__; no
May 09 10:48:26 <ShadowJK> vi__; there shoudn't be any speedup, python compiles uncompiled stuff on startup
May 09 10:49:25 <ShadowJK> so it'd only change startup speed?
May 09 11:02:49 <DocScrutinizer51> right
May 09 11:11:16 <vi__> lame.  Mrs vi_ has gpodder loaded up with a retarded number of podcasts and complains it is sometimes too slow.
May 09 12:47:16 <divVerent> Hi... I have a bad problem... after a reboot (I know fsck found some inconsistencies) I can no longer enter mobile network. It just does not appear in the list any more.
May 09 12:47:36 <divVerent> I probably need to delete some gconf file... any idea which?
May 09 12:53:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tabletsdev
May 09 12:53:51 <infobot> rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/
May 09 12:55:53 <divVerent> anyway, is there any way to fix this other than restarting with empty ~ AGAIN?
May 09 12:56:53 <divVerent> issue basically is, the carrier's GPRS connection data is no longer in the internet connections list
May 09 12:59:16 <divVerent> ah, issue got "resolved" by rebooting
May 09 13:00:03 <divVerent> #so deleting the gconf files related to IAP/APN/... and rebooting did it... so for next time, which process should I have killed instead? ;)
May 09 13:00:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer51, merlin1991: bugs on repository.maemo.org:
May 09 13:01:27 <Pali> 1. <token-code> link on http://repository.maemo.org/ point to: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php instead http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/index.php
May 09 13:02:06 <Pali> 2. on page http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/index.php is missing random picture, so it is not possible to rewrite verification code
May 09 13:02:19 <Pali> and thus not possible to accept license
May 09 13:03:22 <Pali> 3. on http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ buttom link "Terms of Use" points to http://repository.maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use.html instead http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/legal/terms_of_use.html
May 09 13:05:58 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: look ^^^
May 09 13:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> already checking
May 09 13:06:13 <Pali> ok
May 09 13:06:54 <Pali> 2. is big problem and without it is not possible to add Nokia SDK binaries repository to scratchbox
May 09 13:12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O on 2.
May 09 13:15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> F U pastebin
May 09 13:15:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ok prepare for spam
May 09 13:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
May 09 13:16:05 <DocScrutinizer05> <html>
May 09 13:16:06 <DocScrutinizer05> <head>
May 09 13:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> <title>Forwarding to the EULA page</title>
May 09 13:16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=index.php"></HEAD>
May 09 13:16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> <BODY>
May 09 13:16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> If this page is not automatically reloaded please click here: <a href="http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php">EULA</a>
May 09 13:16:14 <DocScrutinizer05> </BODY>
May 09 13:16:15 <DocScrutinizer05> </HTML>
May 09 13:16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> /var/tabletsdev/eula/index.html (END)
May 09 13:16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> tell me what to change
May 09 13:28:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: please edit http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/_var_repository_live_index.html
May 09 13:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and post to me
May 09 13:32:00 <Pali> sent
May 09 13:34:43 <DocScrutinizer05> and?
May 09 13:36:50 <DocScrutinizer05> is that a turn-around time, eh?
May 09 13:36:52 <Pali> 2. problem: it is not possible to accpet license on http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/index.php
May 09 13:37:22 <DocScrutinizer05> could somebody please beat me with a club?
May 09 13:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> editing friggin html pages on my birthday
May 09 13:38:27 <Pali> image points to url: http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/randomImage.php
May 09 13:38:43 <Pali> which is 500 Internal Server Error
May 09 13:38:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet it is
May 09 13:39:10 <Pali> and white screen in browser
May 09 13:39:19 <DocScrutinizer05> please inspect full source code
May 09 13:39:54 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a friggin php generated page. sorry I can't do anything for that
May 09 13:40:15 <Pali> Enter Number: &nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="randomImage.php"></td>
May 09 13:40:17 <DocScrutinizer05> php is beyond me, waaay beyond
May 09 13:41:43 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: 3. problem on http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/, it should be only html edit
May 09 13:41:57 <Pali> replace: <center>	<a href="/legal/terms_of_use.html">Terms of Use</a></center>
May 09 13:42:03 <Pali> with: <center>	<a href="legal/terms_of_use.html">Terms of Use</a></center>
May 09 13:42:16 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: why is that an html page and not an http 301?
May 09 13:45:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: http://privatepaste.com/d0a9f4dfa0
May 09 13:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/ff8f265140
May 09 13:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: wtf, replace X with X?
May 09 13:52:22 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh, / missing
May 09 13:52:30 <Pali> rigth, without char '/'
May 09 13:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> now that's easy
May 09 13:52:56 <DocScrutinizer05> check please!
May 09 13:54:10 * DocScrutinizer05 never knew that mc "renders" .html
May 09 13:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> on "F3 view"
May 09 13:54:43 <DocScrutinizer05> recheck!
May 09 13:54:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I missed to save
May 09 13:56:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: ???
May 09 13:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I wanna close that friggin file!
May 09 13:57:27 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: now working fine
May 09 13:57:29 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, looks good to me
May 09 13:58:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so, your last chance to make me do other silly boring stuff while I should get booze and hookers
May 09 13:59:41 <DocScrutinizer05> sidenote: for php edits I will accept sed or patch files only
May 09 14:00:07 <DocScrutinizer05> or, even better, shell script files to source
May 09 14:00:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I *won't* do a diff on maemo.org to check what been edited before I swap around old and new .php
May 09 14:02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, too late
May 09 14:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> afk, bbl, much l
May 09 14:20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: 
May 09 14:21:02 <DocScrutinizer05> root@stage:/var/tabletsdev/eula# cat index.html 
May 09 14:21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
May 09 14:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> <html>
May 09 14:21:06 <DocScrutinizer05> <head>
May 09 14:21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> <title>Forwarding to the EULA page</title>
May 09 14:21:09 <DocScrutinizer05> <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=index.php"></HEAD>
May 09 14:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> <BODY>
May 09 14:21:12 <DocScrutinizer05> If this page is not automatically reloaded please click here: <a href="http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php">EULA</a>
May 09 14:21:14 <DocScrutinizer05> </BODY>
May 09 14:21:15 <DocScrutinizer05> </HTML>
May 09 14:21:50 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: fix it to http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/index.php
May 09 14:22:02 <DocScrutinizer05> k
May 09 14:24:22 <vi__> GAAAH!
May 09 14:24:31 <vi__> How do I store a float in a word?
May 09 14:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> WAAAAAAT?
May 09 14:24:52 <DocScrutinizer05> not at all?
May 09 14:25:13 <vi__> rofl, my boss thinks otherwise.
May 09 14:25:25 <DocScrutinizer05> your boss is A GASHEAD
May 09 14:25:39 <vi__> Is that a German insult?
May 09 14:25:45 <DocScrutinizer05> every idiot knows floats are 64bit and words usually 32
May 09 14:25:56 <vi__> ...
May 09 14:26:06 <vi__> I thought a word was 2 bytes.
May 09 14:26:18 <DocScrutinizer05> depends
May 09 14:26:27 <divVerent> and floats are 32bit ;)
May 09 14:26:32 <divVerent> double is 64bit :P
May 09 14:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> well, ok
May 09 14:26:44 <divVerent> but I know what you meant
May 09 14:26:49 <divVerent> one just doesn't USE the float type normally
May 09 14:26:52 <divVerent> one just always uses double
May 09 14:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I already am late with my booze
May 09 14:26:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 09 14:27:10 <divVerent> so the typical floating point variable is 64bit, and the typical integer is 32bit
May 09 14:27:45 <DocScrutinizer05> right
May 09 14:27:51 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what i meant
May 09 14:27:53 <vi__> As the number only ranges from 0.5>1.2 I am thinking store it as an integer without the decimal point.  Then divide it by 10 when I want to use it.
May 09 14:27:53 <Pali> double is 80bit
May 09 14:28:02 <divVerent> no
May 09 14:28:04 <divVerent> long double is ;)
May 09 14:28:16 <Pali> ah, yes long double :-)
May 09 14:28:35 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: that's the right thinking!
May 09 14:28:46 <Pali> stack orientated FPU on x86...
May 09 14:28:50 <DocScrutinizer05> avoid real like the plague
May 09 14:29:00 <divVerent> BTW, as for storign a float in a "word" (typically 16bit)...
May 09 14:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> aka float
May 09 14:29:02 <divVerent> nvidia does this :P
May 09 14:29:05 <divVerent> it is called the "half" type
May 09 14:29:14 <divVerent> a quite inaccurate 16bit floating point type
May 09 14:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
May 09 14:29:47 <divVerent> so if you need a 16bit float, maybe use nvidia's version to not bring a SECOND 16bit float to the world
May 09 14:29:56 <Pali> x86 has 16bit float too
May 09 14:30:00 <DocScrutinizer05> 9 bit mantissa, 2 bit signs, 5 bit exponent?
May 09 14:30:35 <divVerent> Pali: x86 has it? didn't know... which instructions?
May 09 14:31:30 * DocScrutinizer05 joyfully announces the 32bit FRACTIONAL type
May 09 14:31:33 <divVerent> nvidia uses 10bit mantissa, 5bit exponent (no sign, but a shift, as usual), and 1bit sign
May 09 14:31:47 <divVerent> DocScrutinizer05: hm... reminds me of AVRational ;)
May 09 14:31:49 <divVerent> in libav*
May 09 14:32:06 <DocScrutinizer05> with moving "/"
May 09 14:32:13 <divVerent> NOW that is cool
May 09 14:32:27 <divVerent> ah, looks like this half precision float is actually standardized
May 09 14:32:29 <divVerent> didn't know that
May 09 14:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> from 1/(2^28) to (2^28)/1
May 09 14:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
May 09 14:33:46 <DocScrutinizer05> my
May 09 14:33:47 <Pali> divVerent, CVT16 instruction sets
May 09 14:33:49 <DocScrutinizer05> 9 bit mantissa, 2 bit signs, 5 bit exponent?
May 09 14:33:56 <Pali> part of some SSE
May 09 14:34:01 <DocScrutinizer05> wasn't that bad a guess, eh? EH??
May 09 14:34:06 <vi__> There is a special place in the lowest circles of programmers hell for the sins I have committed.
May 09 14:35:10 * DocScrutinizer05 claims (C)2013-JR on FRACTIONAL data type
May 09 14:36:16 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: your previous post sounded muuuuuch better
May 09 14:36:46 <Pali> divVerent, I think that half is part of AVX
May 09 14:37:23 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, something from IBM support decimal FPU :D
May 09 14:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> but not FRACTIONAL
May 09 14:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> 1/3
May 09 14:38:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 09 14:38:45 <DocScrutinizer05> 3/2
May 09 14:39:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (the latter doesn't work on binary, I heard)
May 09 14:40:12 <DocScrutinizer05> the former obviously not in decimal and binary
May 09 14:40:40 <vi__> Well it works.  I guess the take home lesson here is your boss does not care how it is done, just that it is done!
May 09 14:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the boss has foolish ideas how stuff should get done
May 09 14:43:00 <DocScrutinizer05> for a n.n (or 9.9, in COBOL) you NEVER use float!
May 09 14:43:15 <DocScrutinizer05> you shift decimal one digit, and use int
May 09 14:43:52 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-09 16:27:53] <vi__> As the number only ranges from 0.5>1.2 I am thinking store it as an integer without the decimal point.  Then divide it by 10 when I want to use it.
May 09 14:44:50 <DocScrutinizer05> if only fsckng qt devels knew
May 09 14:45:03 <vi__> The space on the flash memory was allocated as 2 bytes some years ago.  
May 09 14:45:33 <vi__> TBH I do not understand why.
May 09 14:45:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ummm, so what?
May 09 14:46:07 <vi__> So I have a file that hard allocates >150 variables on a flash memory.
May 09 14:46:21 <vi__> and I want to make one in the middle bigger.
May 09 14:46:41 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 09 14:47:05 <DocScrutinizer05> wnat to make it *bigger*? WHY?
May 09 14:47:54 <vi__> because I cannot store a FP in a word!
May 09 14:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody ever needs FP
May 09 14:49:14 <DocScrutinizer05> except astronomy
May 09 14:51:19 <DocScrutinizer05> even when you juggle with USA state debit, you still don't want to use float, rather use int64 then
May 09 14:51:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 09 15:29:00 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: Decimal ftw
May 09 15:31:20 <kerio> or Fraction, too
May 09 15:34:00 <Trizt> I bricked my N900, a question, is it possible to charge the battery somehow? I don't have much left on it also which PR1.3 should I use, don't seem to be any global versions at skeiron.org 
May 09 15:34:46 <Trizt> found it the global version of 1.3
May 09 15:34:51 <kerio> ~pr131
May 09 15:34:52 <infobot> somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
May 09 15:35:02 <kerio> saves you the initial update
May 09 15:35:09 <kerio> and... mmh
May 09 15:35:37 <kerio> one thing you can do is load rescueOS and charge from there, if you must
May 09 15:36:07 <Trizt> how do you do that?
May 09 15:37:21 <kerio> ~rescueOS
May 09 15:37:22 <infobot> rumour has it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
May 09 15:37:28 <kerio> read the README
May 09 15:37:35 <Trizt> thanks
May 09 15:37:49 <kerio> i assume your condition is such that you can't boot to charge and you can't flash because of low battery?
May 09 15:40:23 <Trizt> yeah
May 09 15:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> classic deadlock
May 09 15:44:15 <DocScrutinizer05> rescueOS FTW
May 09 15:55:32 <Trizt> the led is shining yellow (not blinking) this how it supposed to be when charging the battery?
May 09 15:56:46 <Trizt> sorry, din't read to the end
May 09 16:13:03 <kerio> emergency charge won't charge the battery enough
May 09 16:13:51 <Trizt> so 100% emergency charge is like 20% normal charge or?
May 09 16:19:17 <Drathir> if i good  think emegrency work to definied amount of battery power, and when charge to that switch to normal charging mode...
May 09 16:30:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tell Trizt about flatbatrecover
May 09 16:31:16 <Trizt> flatbatrecover?
May 09 16:31:32 <Trizt> DocScrutinizer05: tell more, please
May 09 16:31:45 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 09 16:31:54 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: do we know if nolo will let you /load/ kernel+initrd when the battery is too low?
May 09 16:32:03 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-09 18:30:52] <infobot> told Trizt about flatbatrecover (Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover)
May 09 16:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: not yet
May 09 16:33:14 <DocScrutinizer05> still nobody tested it *and* reported
May 09 16:33:47 <Trizt> Hmm
May 09 16:37:28 <DocScrutinizer05> what works for sure (though only theoretically) was loading a special build of uBoot for "coldflashing" RAM borne 1st stage BL, which would just do charging and nothing else
May 09 16:37:59 <DocScrutinizer05> since there's no such special uBoot, it's a theoretical option only
May 09 16:41:41 <Trizt> Had been nice to be able to chroot it and just rerun the kernel update, then all had been fixed
May 09 16:43:46 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: however, since when NOLO doesn't even *start* flashing when battery is too low, it has no way to notice you want to ramload instead of flash to NAND
May 09 16:43:58 <kerio> :(
May 09 16:45:41 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: so, the question is: will NOLO come up with NOKIA screen **and USB icon**, and stay in flashing mode, when Trizt holds 'u' button during the moment when amber steady LED stops shining and NOLO gets booted? I guess we already know the answer: no, probably not.
May 09 16:51:22 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, how hard is to write ARM ASM code for direct access to bq2415x charger via I2C?
May 09 16:51:37 <DocScrutinizer05> not hard
May 09 16:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> since I2C is a IP block
May 09 16:52:09 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
May 09 16:52:11 <Pali> and what needs to be inlitialized/called if we want to make that asm code as "bootloader"
May 09 16:52:32 <Pali> uboot is big so we cannot load it via colflash :-(
May 09 16:52:52 <DocScrutinizer05> means you write addr of peripheral chip to one register of interface, chip register addr to another, and data to a third
May 09 16:53:54 <DocScrutinizer05> (what needs initialization) well, just about the same stuff as for beagleboard, I guess
May 09 16:54:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or was it pandaboard?
May 09 16:55:10 <Trizt> the flatbat didn't work, started to "reboot" all the time
May 09 16:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> that's what it does as soon as battery is full enough to actually boot up the CPU
May 09 16:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> so emergency charging worked like a charm
May 09 16:56:45 <DocScrutinizer05> flatbatrecover is meant for otherwise intact systems
May 09 16:57:00 <DocScrutinizer05> it won't magically fix your NAND for you
May 09 17:00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> look, there's a battery level threshold at which the CPU can boot (what we all usually call boot is actually mostly the system init process of linux, *boot* is when cpu starts to execute commands)
May 09 17:03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> when battery is too weak to start up CPU (alias boot), then flatbatrecovery aka emergency hw charging kicks in. eventually battery trips the boot threshold and NOLO bootloader gets executed. It's NOLO which a) stops emergency charging, and b) decides to directly boot into a (possibly messed up & broken) linux to continue charging under sw control, when battery is considered too weak for flashing
May 09 17:05:09 <DocScrutinizer05> when your rootfs is messed up, that sw charging never will happen, and after a few 10s of seconds the latest battery is empty to the level of hard system shutdown, at which point emergency charging kicks in again
May 09 17:06:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ---> bootloop
May 09 17:15:57 <muellisoft> So I got myself Micro USB ports to solder onto my n900 which has a very loose one. Any hints for me to follow? Things to not forget, to take care of, etc?
May 09 17:21:08 <Trizt> thanks for the explanation Doc, now I have to try to remember how to use dpkg and see if I can't fix it by uninstall ipv6 support and reininstall kernel
May 09 17:21:20 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: thats is good to learn bot about bootloop i think clearly explained... thanks for that too helpfull for me a lot...
May 09 17:28:17 <kerio> ~usbfix
May 09 17:28:19 <infobot> hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
May 09 17:28:20 <kerio> muellisoft: ^
May 09 17:28:51 <muellisoft> wow. thx kerio. Let me save that for later.
May 09 17:30:17 <kerio> Trizt: hold on, how do you get to a point where you could do that?
May 09 17:31:26 <Trizt> keiro: rescueOS mount-maemo
May 09 17:31:52 <Trizt> hmm... seems rescueOS changes MAC on the wifi
May 09 17:33:42 <kerio> Trizt: hold on, you can just charge and then reflash
May 09 17:35:14 <Trizt> kerio: I rather not reflash as I don't want to fix everything after the flashing, I flash if the reinstall fails
May 09 17:35:32 <kerio> remember to keep /opt/ mounted in your chroot jail
May 09 17:36:32 <Trizt> yeah, thanks for the pointer there
May 09 17:57:51 <sixwheeledbeast> infobot: ping
May 09 17:57:52 <infobot> ~pong
May 09 18:00:40 <zammy> but how to watch youtube on n900?
May 09 18:01:26 <zammy> I tested all youtube clients... mytube cutetube *qml* and zoutube ytube... nothing works
May 09 18:02:22 <sixwheeledbeast> zammy: cutetube
May 09 18:02:31 <zammy> well actually I could not install cutetube
May 09 18:02:33 <zammy> idk why
May 09 18:03:14 <sixwheeledbeast> error information? problems tab output?
May 09 18:03:47 <zammy> wait... I am going to seek for more detail
May 09 18:06:01 <zammy> it slows down a lot during application manager
May 09 18:06:53 <zammy> alright cutetube 1.4.1
May 09 18:07:01 <zammy> 11,1 mb downloading
May 09 18:07:37 <zammy> now
May 09 18:08:27 <zammy> after downloaded it says Impossible to download 'cuteTube'... app package not found...
May 09 18:09:43 <Apic> B-þ
May 09 18:09:44 <sixwheeledbeast> repository issue? as 1.4.1 isn't in the repo's according to package iface.
May 09 18:10:09 <zammy> ok
May 09 18:10:17 <zammy> now I deactivated the extra
May 09 18:10:21 <zammy> on repo
May 09 18:10:30 <sixwheeledbeast> anyway only the latest from devel will work due to youtube changing things every 6 mths.
May 09 18:10:36 <sixwheeledbeast> repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/cutetube/cutetube_1.7.2_armel.deb
May 09 18:10:57 <zammy> alright
May 09 18:11:05 <zammy> I was totally wrong
May 09 18:11:06 <zammy> thx
May 09 18:13:01 <sixwheeledbeast> zammy: 1.7.2 definitely works I have used since it's realise with no issues.
May 09 18:14:28 <zammy> ok
May 09 18:14:38 <zammy> but now it asks me other packages
May 09 18:14:59 <zammy> such as libqtm-12 and ffmpeg
May 09 18:15:35 <zammy> can you suggest me the right way to write the repository on catalogs please?
May 09 18:18:09 <sixwheeledbeast> asks you to install other packages? how are you installing?
May 09 18:18:33 <zammy> app manager
May 09 18:18:47 <zammy> shall I use not the default app manager?
May 09 18:18:57 <zammy> do you mean I shall use faster applications?
May 09 18:19:26 <zammy> oh right
May 09 18:19:27 <divVerent> same issue ;)
May 09 18:19:31 <zammy> by terminale
May 09 18:19:35 <zammy> dpkg?
May 09 18:19:36 <divVerent> sorry, damn new weechat version ;)
May 09 18:19:37 <zammy> right?
May 09 18:21:25 <sixwheeledbeast> zammy: click on link with MicroB http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/cutetube/cutetube_1.7.2_armel.deb
May 09 18:21:39 <zammy> ok
May 09 18:23:21 <zammy> now it asks me how shall I use this... saving it on my device or app manager
May 09 18:23:27 <zammy> I choose app manager right'
May 09 18:25:23 <sixwheeledbeast> yep.
May 09 18:25:36 <zammy> yes it's the same I am doing it ever
May 09 18:25:52 <zammy> all the times I am doing it is the same way
May 09 18:26:10 <sixwheeledbeast> So you have issue in the problems tab?
May 09 18:26:38 <zammy> it tells me actually I need  libqtm-12 and ffmpeg
May 09 18:28:55 <zammy> alright it needed a apt-get install on terminal
May 09 18:30:13 <sixwheeledbeast> odd I would have thought it would pull them automatically.
May 09 18:30:49 <zammy> don't worry maybe you have installed this packages by other programs
May 09 18:30:55 <zammy> anyway... all fine XD
May 09 18:31:44 <zammy> and thank you sixwheeledbeast 
May 09 18:32:08 <sixwheeledbeast> libqtm-12 probably but not ffmpeg. anyway np. :)
May 09 18:35:10 <zammy> pretty cool works... XD
May 09 18:36:44 <zammy> really cool it uses also keyboard...
May 09 18:36:45 <zammy> XD
May 09 18:39:18 <sixwheeledbeast> yep I find the search can throw up some odd results. but works well.
May 09 18:43:55 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: thumb wiki ok? :)
May 09 19:23:27 <kwtm> Hi, MohammadAG. Do you know what command-line I can use to launch a new terminal window?
May 09 19:33:41 <MohammadAG> osso-terminal?
May 09 19:36:52 <kwtm> MohammadAG: Thank you! Can I ask you (or anyone else here) one other question? In what directory do I find the desktop icons? I can't seem to find a clear answer by Google search, and icons (shortcuts and widgets) keep disappearing from my desktop.
May 09 19:38:03 <kwtm> Typing "osso-terminal" doesn't seem to launch the terminal (or anything else) ...
May 09 19:38:35 <kwtm> found it: osso-xterm
May 09 19:39:01 <zammy> yes osso-xterm....
May 09 19:39:29 <zammy> tab button is the way to find out most of things
May 09 19:39:46 <zammy> I presum to find all with tab actually XD
May 09 19:39:57 <MohammadAG> sorry, been a long time since I've used my N900 :(
May 09 19:40:00 <trx> kwtm /usr/share/icons/
May 09 19:40:12 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/applications/hildon/ for the .desktop files
May 09 19:40:26 <MohammadAG> icons can be spread out
May 09 19:40:35 <zammy> the tab tip is a fundamental overall linux matter
May 09 19:40:41 <MohammadAG> from what trx said to /usr/share/pixmaps to somewhere in /opt
May 09 19:40:53 <zammy> and dos too if you think at
May 09 19:40:58 <trx> yeah, /usr/share/icons/ is in opt
May 09 19:41:04 <trx> as i remember
May 09 19:41:08 <trx> as a symbolic link
May 09 19:41:25 <kwtm> MohammadAG: O no! You haven't used for N900 for a long time?  Does that mean we poor mortals will slowly suffocate to death? Or is there some other scriptable smartphone we can use?
May 09 19:42:03 <kwtm> I even bought a second N900 in case my first one dies, because ... well, with what else can I use vim to make a phone call? :P
May 09 19:43:19 <zammy> MohammadAG, if you are going to learn the most used, or maybe all, command lines to use by a linux OS as maemo is linux OS as well then I suggest you this http://www.linuxguide.it/command_line/linux_commands_en.html
May 09 19:44:57 <kwtm> zammy: ?? Why are you telling MohammadAG this?  He doesn't know Linux cmd lines?
May 09 19:53:34 <kerio> hahahahaha amazing
May 09 19:56:39 <zammy> just to make it refresh memory I 'd keep really in care that link anyway even if I know some linux cmd lines
May 09 19:57:14 <zammy> no intention to offense anyone...
May 09 19:57:36 <zammy> not really
May 09 23:30:44 <raid_> is something wrong with skeiron repositories?
May 09 23:31:24 <dr1fter> package downloads are taking forever
May 09 23:41:54 <dr1fter> hello?
May 10 00:09:01 <GuySoft> removing this chan from my favorites, farewell maemo people
May 10 00:09:08 <GuySoft> was fun..
May 10 00:13:37 <Cor-Ai> why?
May 10 00:46:43 <Apic> Good Night.
May 10 01:33:40 <Macer> ... 
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