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May 12 08:55:16 <Gear_> hi
May 12 08:56:16 <Gear_> I installed pwnie express on my secondary phone, my primary phone is almost dead and I need to transfer the data to the one that currently has pwnie express
May 12 09:02:44 <Gear_> I need to transfer all data from one n900 to another one
May 12 09:33:51 <DocScrutinizer06> drive-by asker?
May 12 09:34:16 <DocScrutinizer06> obviously missed to grok how IRC works
May 12 10:00:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: not to mention that pwnie express shit
May 12 10:00:14 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
May 12 10:00:29 <kerio> "i'm a hacker but i don't know what scp is"
May 12 10:00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> or even BM
May 12 10:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hacker
May 12 10:01:12 <infobot> rumour has it, hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://sine.com/essay/perversion-of-hacker.html, but Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity.
May 12 10:01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hacking
May 12 10:01:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki hacker
May 12 10:02:00 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|hacker}} 'Hacker' may refer to: * Hacker (term), a term used in computing for several types of person ** Hacker (computer security) someone who accesses a computer system by circumventing its security system ** Hacker (hobbyist), who makes innovative customizations or combinations of retail electronic and computer equipment * Hacker (programmer subculture), who combines ...
May 12 10:03:06 * DocScrutinizer05 always feels an irresistable urge to hit the face of everybody using this term in meaning #2 of wikipedia
May 12 10:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> probably related to my age
May 12 10:04:44 <DocScrutinizer05> when I was young (and a hacker), a hack been for example making the PDP11 play a song
May 12 10:07:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, ok, sub-bullet #1 I meant:  Hacker (computer security)
May 12 10:08:06 <hardfalcon1> DocScrutinizer05: I know that feeling, but at some point it becomes (IMHO) more helpful accepting that new meaning than to waste power to try to oppose the way people use a certain term
May 12 10:08:32 <DocScrutinizer05> often even confused with cracker or even script kiddie
May 12 10:08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hardfalcon1: alas true
May 12 10:09:00 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't educate the worls
May 12 10:09:01 <hardfalcon1> it is more important to explain to people the *actual* problems we have than to waste time with trying to get them to adopt a new vocabulary
May 12 10:09:04 <DocScrutinizer05> world*
May 12 10:09:25 <DocScrutinizer05> *old* vocabulary
May 12 10:09:40 <DocScrutinizer05> even genuine original vocabulary
May 12 10:09:46 <hardfalcon1> wel, to *them*, it is "new"
May 12 10:09:49 <hardfalcon1> *well
May 12 10:10:52 <hardfalcon1> think of discussing for example quotas for women in management positions with hardcore feminists
May 12 10:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, for all you kids and noobs out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture) :-D
May 12 10:12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm all for quotas, particularly in prison and unemployment ;-P
May 12 10:12:06 <hardfalcon1> instead of discussing the actual topic with you, a lot of them will try to force their own vocabulary  as a replacement for the common "mainstream" vocabulary down your throat
May 12 10:13:32 <hardfalcon1> well in the beginning, I was strictly opposed to quotas because I consider them as a form of psoitive discrimination, and I don't believe that you should fight discrimination with more discrimination
May 12 10:13:51 <hardfalcon1> but in the meantime, I've come to a point where I don't give a shit anymore
May 12 10:15:12 <hardfalcon1> I think women should have equal chances, which implies that we'll end up wit 50% women in management positions at some point in time - so if the women really want quotas, they shall have quotas
May 12 10:16:46 <hardfalcon1> anyhow, as far as the term "hacker" is concerned: I was once on a student's faire where I represented my hackerspace in luxembourg
May 12 10:17:28 <SpeedEvil_> you're assuming that the same proportion of men as women want to spend lots of time at work.
May 12 10:18:37 <hardfalcon1> my standard answer to "What's a hacker?" was "Somebody who finds an unorthodox or creative solution for a problem. So if your grandma's water boiler is broken and she uses the coffee machine to get hot water, you can consider her a hacker."
May 12 10:21:26 <hardfalcon1> SpeedEvil_: In countries where women are not forced to spend most of their time raising children because there is a working and affordable public infrastructure that can take care of the children while the mother is a work, they actually *do* spend a similar proportion of time working
May 12 10:24:02 <hardfalcon1> but TBH I don't wanna discuss social politics here, if I wanna discuss social politics, I'll give me the pain to go to the "queer geeks panel" at the 30C3
May 12 10:24:27 <hardfalcon1> s/to go/of going/
May 12 10:24:27 <infobot> hardfalcon1 meant: but TBH I don't wanna discuss social politics here, if I wanna discuss social politics, I'll give me the pain of going to the "queer geeks panel" at the 30C3
May 12 11:02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
May 12 11:02:23 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: :)
May 12 11:02:51 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
May 12 11:10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> lol @ *C3, I heard last one had funny issue involving lots of red cards
May 12 11:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> one guy even tried to collect as many of them as he could get ;-P
May 12 11:12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and a girl allegedly created XXX-rated wall tags out of them, which I consider an excellent hack indeed
May 12 16:40:52 <ashley> what's the status of recorder on Fremantle? I've found http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55430 which states the recorder is the newest version of maemo-recorder application, but recorder-0.3.4's README file still states that "Maemo Recorder is a simple graphical utility for recording audio from microphone on Nokia internet tablets, mainly the 770." and I'd like to know whether it's compatible with Fremantle/N900 or not...
May 12 16:50:23 <Sc0rpius> ashley, I think what you're looking for is recorder-0.3.4
May 12 16:50:57 <Sc0rpius> maemo-recorder even if it has build for Fremantle it looks like it was mainly for Diablo  instead of Fremantle
May 12 16:51:23 <Sc0rpius> and both packages (from the same author) haven't been updated in years.
May 12 16:51:32 <Sc0rpius> like most N900 apps :)
May 12 16:52:21 <Sc0rpius> if it's in the repositories then it is for the N900.
May 12 16:56:39 <ashley> yep, recorder (versions 0.3.1-0.3.4) is at http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/r/recorder/ (and I assume precompiled binaries are in a different folder, too); finding the link wasn't as easy as I had hoped, though
May 12 16:57:06 <ashley> (and it's a shame that the source code for the Harmattan recorder app has been basically lost :/)
May 12 17:14:14 <kerio> hey, the cubieboard has an arm cortex A8 and i2c
May 12 17:16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ashley: you know a lot about mediawiki I heard?
May 12 17:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> is that right or incorrect?
May 12 17:16:51 <ashley> you would think so since I've been a MediaWiki developer since 2008 ;-)
May 12 17:16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 12 17:17:00 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
May 12 17:17:33 <DocScrutinizer05> so, would you be willing to explain how to properly delete SPAM (not undo or rollback)
May 12 17:18:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REVDEL so far
May 12 17:18:16 <DocScrutinizer05> but it seems that's not installed on wiki.m.o
May 12 17:21:04 <ashley> depends on what is your definition of properly and what kind of spam (i.e. new page creations or spamming over an old, pre-existing wiki page); RevisionDelete is a core MW feature since 1.16 (see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete) but the maemo.org wiki is running 1.15.5 (http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Version) so it's either not available or at least not enabled
May 12 17:21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I also found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion but that's a PITA for sure
May 12 17:21:40 <ashley> for new spam pages, ordinary deletion works; for individual spam revisions...it's a bit more complicated if we're doing it w/o RevisionDelete
May 12 17:22:31 <ashley> there is the possibility of deleting the entire page and selectively restoring all but the spam revision -- but it's ugly and usually not worth the trouble, which is why most patrollers and admins on most wikis either undo/rollback the spam (or RevisionDelete it)
May 12 17:22:32 <DocScrutinizer05> the problem we want to tackle is spammers adding ther URLs to existing pages, so google will find and index then, even when they are not most recent version anymore
May 12 17:23:01 <DocScrutinizer05> s/then,/them,/
May 12 17:23:01 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: the problem we want to tackle is spammers adding ther URLs to existing pages, so google will find and index them, even when they are not most recent version anymore
May 12 17:24:06 <ashley> there is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter but I can guarantee that the most recent version will _not_ work with a MW version as old as 1.15 and I'm not sure how stable the older versions are (I recall AbuseFilter went through quite heavy development before it became even somewhat stable)
May 12 17:24:46 <ashley> out of general curiosity and somewhat related to the spam issue, what's the plan for upgrading wiki.maemo.org to the most recent version of MediaWiki (and hopefully fixing a few annoying bugs while we're at it), or is there no such plan yet?
May 12 17:25:22 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no maintainer to pursue such plans, so far
May 12 17:26:09 <DocScrutinizer05> we're running in a permanent mix of holiday-mode, emergency-mode, and maintenance-mode
May 12 17:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> (we == techstaff)
May 12 17:26:59 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW: short of manpower
May 12 17:27:10 <ashley> well, for what it's worth, I'd gladly like to help you guys out with that, given that the MediaWiki 1.15.x branch will soon celebrate its fourth birthday ;-) (as per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.15)
May 12 17:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you're more than welcome to apply for a maintainer role for mediawiki service
May 12 17:28:33 <ashley> is there a formal process or somesuch or shall I just raise my hand and say, "I'm interested"? :-)
May 12 17:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> however, please be aware that maemo services seen lots of customizations during the years, and have to integrate into the whole system
May 12 17:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the latter :-)
May 12 17:29:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'll walk you thru the "formal process" then
May 12 17:29:30 <ashley> \o consider me interested in wiki.maemo.org and upgrading it, then
May 12 17:29:41 <DocScrutinizer05> fine! :-)
May 12 17:29:51 <kerio> =D
May 12 17:31:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ashley: /query?
May 12 17:31:16 <ashley> based on a quick look at https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/ , there's the custom skin which needs upgrading (should be relatively simple to do, just need to find a few hours to actually do that, test it and iron out the bugs) and some wonky dark magic related to the upper/lowercase usernames
May 12 17:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> that sounds wonderful
May 12 17:35:19 <kerio> that sounds so fun
May 12 18:18:33 <GeneralAntilles> So what's the takeaway from the council handover meeting?
May 12 18:32:16 <kerio> GeneralAntilles: bauer's a twat
May 12 18:32:57 <kerio> but, i mean, we already knew that
May 12 18:33:12 <Win7Mac> make sure you quote all his few comments
May 12 18:33:29 <Win7Mac> that'd speak for itself
May 12 18:39:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the most important quote though is the lots of silence
May 12 18:40:29 <Wulfe> lol
May 12 18:41:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm sure I asked at least three times when will be next HiFo BoD meeting, I can't recall I've seen any answer whatsoever 
May 12 18:44:18 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: I think the takeaway is "MCC handed over, HFC established and started productive work by evaluating state of HiFo bank account management plus a few other minor topics"
May 12 18:45:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and "HFC uttered *severe* concerns regarding the way the bank account gets handled by HiFo BoD currently"
May 12 18:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> "HFC instructed BoD to immediately fix the issues found relating to bank account management - the *latest* till next Friday"
May 12 18:50:00 <DocScrutinizer05> "particularly HFC instructed BoD Bauer to *immediately* remove persons from signature list that have parted HiFo, and to cooperate with BoD Woodward to get the latter on said signature list"
May 12 18:53:16 <kerio> is there a stronger synonym than "instruct"?
May 12 19:00:23 <Win7Mac> who is the next HiFo-treasurer?
May 12 19:03:18 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: my english is pretty poor as soon as it's not about stuff related to electronics
May 12 19:04:58 <DocScrutinizer05> actually my active vocabulary is maybe 0.1% of my passive one
May 12 19:05:11 <kerio> pretty much the same here
May 12 19:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> suggestion, advice, instruction, order - that's about it with my active vocabulary for that 
May 12 19:07:46 <Win7Mac> *gave order to...
May 12 19:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a few circumscriptions like "ultimately demand"
May 12 19:12:04 <Win7Mac> I'd also metion the general disaproval about current situation with Bod in general (JJ not responsive), but esp. secretary doing a lousy job.
May 12 19:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> well, though I can't disagree, personally, it's for sure not PC and good style to do that kind of public bashing as member of a official entity that's meant to cooperate with HiFo
May 12 19:22:37 <Win7Mac> yea, you're probably right. So, GeneralAntilles, please put it in some nice words ;)
May 12 19:23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> each aspect would need more in depth evaluation to estimate the actual situation and circumstances. However what's evident and obvious is BoD's blatant failure to schedule and hold meetings, and it seems rather clear why we see this failure
May 12 19:24:06 <Win7Mac> he does not serve the community anymore
May 12 19:24:17 <Win7Mac> maemo, that is
May 12 19:31:00 <GeneralAntilles> Win7Mac, nice words I can /usually/ manage.
May 12 19:31:19 <GeneralAntilles> What's the timeline for initiating board elections?
May 12 19:44:11 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: ASAP
May 12 19:44:37 <GeneralAntilles> Good
May 12 19:44:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the plan is to pick up on the already running nomination period and announced elections
May 12 19:45:27 <DocScrutinizer05> of course this plan has to get approved/adopted by HFC
May 12 19:45:51 <DocScrutinizer05> since in pre-HFC times nobody can make fixed plans regarding that
May 12 19:47:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the idea however been that HFC would adopt the planning/schedule/announcements done in the past by MMC
May 12 19:47:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and approve them retroactively
May 12 19:48:04 <Win7Mac> are the rules about BoD elections set and ACK'ed by HFC an BoD?
May 12 19:48:34 <DocScrutinizer05> the rules are to be defined by HFC, not yet done
May 12 19:48:55 <Win7Mac> BoD has to accept?
May 12 19:48:58 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 12 19:49:04 <Win7Mac> gooood...
May 12 19:50:08 <DocScrutinizer05> BoD has to accept that there *are* elections... or not
May 12 19:51:00 <Win7Mac> how can that be rejected, it's in the bylaws there have to be
May 12 19:51:24 <Win7Mac> it's HFCs job
May 12 19:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> a BoD that refuses to accept the legitimately announced and held elections would not have any way to stick to their position
May 12 19:51:42 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
May 12 19:54:01 <Win7Mac> well, then lets hope he keeps on refusing and the issue is soon to be resolved ;)
May 12 19:57:52 <GeneralAntilles> How will bank account handover be handled....
May 12 19:59:04 <Win7Mac> ...but he could refuse the legitimately of the announcement (by MCC) and therefore the whole election...
May 12 20:01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> no, since that's not job of BoD, that's job of MFC
May 12 20:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: handover?
May 12 20:02:06 <Win7Mac> MFC?
May 12 20:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> HFC
May 12 20:03:04 <Win7Mac> but, you know, HFC is not MCC
May 12 20:03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> so what?
May 12 20:03:42 <Win7Mac> HFC has to put rules first, then announce?
May 12 20:04:14 <Win7Mac> that's at least what I#d expect
May 12 20:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a HFC, it's HFC's job to define election rules to their liking, and it's not BoD to accept or reject that decision of HFC
May 12 20:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you're assumning
May 12 20:04:55 <Win7Mac> but there timetables for election-period
May 12 20:05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> there's no such rule that says elections have to get announced only after HFC published rules
May 12 20:05:48 <Win7Mac> well...
May 12 20:06:05 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, why discuss all possibilities how BoD could spoil that election?
May 12 20:06:26 <DocScrutinizer05> is there any sane rationale in doing that now?
May 12 20:06:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm already bored of this type of discussion with Mr Bauer
May 12 20:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't like to do it for my leisure with !MrBauer
May 12 20:08:59 <Win7Mac> no, but whats the point in ignoring bylaws and risk that elections have to be reheld and loose even more time?
May 12 20:09:59 <Win7Mac> no offense here, just don't want to see the next drama
May 12 20:10:28 <DocScrutinizer05> please point me to any bylaws *I* ignored!
May 12 20:11:09 <Win7Mac> not *YOU* ofc, HFC
May 12 20:11:12 <Win7Mac> !
May 12 20:11:25 <Win7Mac> he's an advocate, he searches for those holes...
May 12 20:12:39 <Win7Mac> s/hole/breach
May 12 20:12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> so please you do the same, instead of playing argumenting with me as sparrings partner
May 12 20:13:06 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming a new board is elected.
May 12 20:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> GeneralAntilles: aah, no idea. Probably depends on what the bank requires for that
May 12 20:21:02 <GeneralAntilles> I love the abdication of responsibility for financial matters and the complete involvement in things involving potential elections.
May 12 20:23:10 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
May 12 20:24:02 <GeneralAntilles> Mind blowing
May 12 23:32:04 <GeneralAntilles> Does anybody know xes's maemo.org profile name?
May 12 23:36:55 <Win7Mac> it really is a big mess that you can't list users by username. To me, this would be the most expected feature of a user-page: find a user by username... ;)
May 12 23:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> I use a shortcut to a Google search for inurl:maemo.org/profile/
May 12 23:38:04 <GeneralAntilles> but it's brittle.
May 12 23:38:52 <Win7Mac> indeed! sorry, I can't help with xes
May 12 23:43:19 <Win7Mac> that is so basic... hopefully will be fixed as soon as midgard is up to date.
May 13 00:12:26 <GeneralAntilles> I'll note that I have no knowledge of the donations issue, despite SD69's claims.
May 13 00:12:33 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer05, ^
May 13 00:50:51 <Macer> got a box to use freenas
May 13 00:51:05 <Macer> found out the dual core atom d2500 is too slow for running it lol
May 13 02:49:01 <Quarx> Hello guys, anyone working with TMS320C55? I need simply fft implementation on asm. Thanks.
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