**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 22 02:59:58 2013 May 22 06:19:33 hmm...my mobile speed went up from 0.5Mbps to about 7Mbps and seems it might be too fast because when I opened an url with plenty of pics in it n900 booted like it does if you do a big enough write fast May 22 06:19:38 :) May 22 07:30:36 joga: I've maintained 10mbit over N900 + 3G without any problems.. May 22 07:30:46 torrents (numerous connections) even' May 22 07:42:11 Luke-Jr, while writing to the sd? May 22 07:42:27 if I dd a couple of megs of zeroes it reboots May 22 07:42:49 I know there was some tweak to remedy that but haven't done it May 22 07:43:13 not while writing' May 22 13:31:57 joga: that's a known problem and completely unrelated to internet connectivity speed and browser May 22 13:32:38 DocScrutinizer05, yeah but I figured that it cached the images so fast or something... May 22 13:33:21 though, I think I've had it also boot a couple of times when it's under stress May 22 13:33:51 the reboot comes from swap getting congested/stalled when eMMC and MMC/SD hardware interfaces and drivers get into a "race condition" May 22 13:35:08 this results in system vital processes stalling, which makes dsme oull the trigger to recover from a percieved or real faulty system status May 22 13:35:28 s/ou/pu/ May 22 13:35:29 DocScrutinizer05 meant: this results in system vital processes stalling, which makes dsme pull the trigger to recover from a percieved or real faulty system status May 22 13:44:53 DocScrutinizer05, ok thanks for the clarification... was there some workaround with only positive effects? May 22 13:45:16 google for swappolube May 22 13:45:22 is there a (hidden) way to set the default folder the Pictures view shows up inP? May 22 13:45:33 I don't want it ti show e.g. cover.jpg from mp3 directories in MyDocs/.sounds/ May 22 13:45:36 ah, I've used swappolube for years I guess May 22 13:45:37 but only the DCIM dir May 22 13:47:01 divVerent: tracker settings is what you're looking for May 22 13:48:03 tracker-cfg? May 22 13:48:15 divVerent: you want bugfixed tracker from CSSU for that (courtesy javispedro?), since the original one is broken and ignores ignore instructions, or sth like that May 22 13:48:32 I am on cssu-thumb, so I guess I have the bugfixedone May 22 13:48:43 probably May 22 13:51:48 is LowMemoryMode a good idea? May 22 13:52:16 hm... kinda bad, WatchDirectoryRoots needs to be set... I can't set where it expects sounds and where videos. Still nice tool. May 22 13:52:18 iirc no May 22 13:52:29 you want the indexing to be done as soon as possible May 22 13:52:36 save battery May 22 13:52:37 I couldn't care less for the indexing May 22 13:52:44 I could live with no indexing at all, even May 22 13:53:02 well, you would want it to complete fast May 22 13:53:03 I use HamsterFiler to open files in the media player May 22 13:53:14 yes, but no indexing would win May 22 13:53:41 the disable directory would work for you May 22 13:53:51 just tell it not to index anything under / May 22 13:53:58 yes, looking for it May 22 13:54:04 WatchDirectoryRoots is NOT the list of all that is indexed May 22 13:54:09 because I know /media/mmc1 is indexed too May 22 13:54:12 yet not listed there+ May 22 13:54:30 oh, IndexRemovableMedia probably does THAT part May 22 13:54:47 EnableIndexing - is that the big master switch? May 22 13:55:17 you can try May 22 13:55:25 wait, this thing does thumbnails too... damn May 22 13:55:39 well, let's see if anything important breaks May 22 13:55:45 how do I clear the currently existing index? May 22 13:55:45 tracker is actually a pretty damn good piece of software May 22 13:55:54 I never understood all the h8ing it gets. May 22 13:56:01 Rebuild Databases, did that now with EnableIndexing off May 22 13:56:11 vi__: because it shows nonsense May 22 13:56:22 What? May 22 13:56:22 I don't want all the CD covers with their random modtimes listed with my camera pictures May 22 13:56:39 That is a problem with picture viewer. May 22 13:56:51 It SHOULD display only camera pictures by default. May 22 13:56:51 yes, because it defaults to the "All pictures" view May 22 13:56:54 and that cannot be changed May 22 13:57:01 vi__: it's getting terribly abused by maemo May 22 13:57:21 BTW, did not work, even with enableIndexing off, pictures still shows the wrong pics May 22 13:57:28 vi__: abused as alternative to a proper hierarchical filesystem with directories May 22 13:57:31 Step 1. Do not throttle it or use low memory mode. Let it finish its stuff ASAP. May 22 13:57:59 Step 2. If you have power busybox installed, use ionice to set it as a background task. May 22 13:58:04 tracker is nice - for stuff like spotlight/kerry-beagle/whatsthename search functions May 22 13:58:32 but anyway May 22 13:58:41 Step 3. Disable some of the unused functions like word indexing. May 22 13:58:42 NOT for the *only* way to access files in an app, and particularly bot to store even email content in it, like done in HARM May 22 13:58:45 it looks like it isn't even Tracker's fault that pictures view shows the nonsense May 22 13:58:53 s/ bot/ not/ May 22 13:58:53 DocScrutinizer05 meant: NOT for the *only* way to access files in an app, and particularly not to store even email content in it, like done in HARM May 22 13:59:03 because even with .sounds removed and everything else on, it shows the pics from there May 22 13:59:34 You need to add .sounds to no index then rebuild. May 22 13:59:43 where is "No index" May 22 13:59:47 there is only "no watch" May 22 13:59:50 Install trackercfg if you have not already. May 22 13:59:53 I have it May 22 14:00:30 Yes, nowatch May 22 14:00:45 then you need to rebuild after adding a directory to no watch. May 22 14:01:19 I have 2000+ music tracks and 100+ videos. I have zero problems with tracker. May 22 14:02:11 ok, now All images view is empty May 22 14:02:22 That is what you wanted? May 22 14:02:23 after adding .sounds, saving and restarting tracker, and reindexing May 22 14:02:28 no, I want the DCIMs still to show up May 22 14:02:31 oh May 22 14:02:36 it takes a while to start indexing May 22 14:02:38 NOW it started May 22 14:02:41 Give it a moment. May 22 14:03:00 Tracker tries to be inconvenient. May 22 14:03:01 let's see if excluding .sounds worked May 22 14:03:16 of course, it then also means that the MP3 player won't have any index... wonder if it still will work then May 22 14:03:19 when opening it from HamsterFiler May 22 14:03:30 speaking of HamsterFiler May 22 14:03:39 is there a way to teach the default file manager to NOT look up ID3 tags of MP3s? May 22 14:03:42 but show the REAL file names? May 22 14:03:57 this is the ONLY reason why I use HamsterFiler... to not get this ID3 tag nonsense May 22 14:04:27 I wonder if there is a way to add complex rules like 'index /my/direcetory excluding ' May 22 14:04:47 ID3 tags are not nonsense. May 22 14:04:57 Default file manager sucks asses. May 22 14:05:49 Although, I am quite pedantic with tagging my digital music collection. May 22 14:09:06 *sigh* how would I selectively forbid /queries? Had a query popup in-midst me writing something, for a felt 30 times during last hour May 22 14:10:09 this whole stuff more and more gets annoying and no more manageable May 22 14:11:53 there's approaching the day when I'll probably need to go offline to get any vital work done, without IRC and stuff distracting me every 45s May 22 14:14:19 adblock? May 22 14:14:52 DocScrutinizer05: /block user maybe? May 22 14:15:21 DocScrutinizer05: But if you are not in IRC, how will you have a steady supply of people being technically wrong to correct? May 22 14:23:29 use an irc client that doesn't pop up stuff :) May 22 14:28:24 joga: yep, probably, but then I need an irc client that also allows to log in under multiple nicks/accounts, since once or twice a day a real "emergency call" comes in, and I don't want to miss that May 22 14:29:11 e.g I'm chanop of a felt 3 dozen irc channels May 22 14:51:03 anyone planing on getting the jolla thingy? May 22 14:52:22 * Wizzup possibly May 22 14:58:20 ruskie: I shall wait to see if it comes with xterm. May 22 14:58:59 I'm thinking of getting it simply to have something more up to date as a phone but that isn't tied to apple, google, microsoft May 22 14:59:36 I pondered it, but felt fooled by them selling a completely unspecified "trhe other half" to me for 100 bucks May 22 14:59:37 Nokia S40? May 22 14:59:53 vi__, that's always a good fallback for me May 22 15:00:10 I'm definitely interested in the nokia with the one month standby that they've annouced for the later half of the year May 22 15:00:20 Can it run without the 'otherhalf'? May 22 15:00:36 ruskie: No 3g though. May 22 15:00:45 your point? May 22 15:00:52 for calls and sms it's good enough May 22 15:01:04 I plan on getting a mifi type device to solve the 3g issue May 22 15:01:07 with a tablet May 22 15:01:10 True, but it is always nice to have a personal access point. May 22 15:02:27 not that I'm unhappy with my n900 May 22 15:02:31 still love it May 22 15:02:31 Why is there no mobile phone that is in the form factor of a handsfree headset? May 22 15:02:57 too heavy May 22 15:03:17 We need magic batteries. May 22 15:03:18 and SAR May 22 15:03:24 Science pls deliver ASAP. May 22 15:03:25 I should sometime reflash my n900 and go with a full up to date cssu update May 22 15:03:34 ruskie: You should. May 22 15:03:44 It makes it closer to what the n900 should have been. May 22 15:04:13 of course I'll then have to remove a ton of stuff again that I don't want/need May 22 15:04:29 Not so hard. May 22 15:04:29 I'll need to make a full backup first May 22 15:04:38 You are the ruskie from tmo? May 22 15:04:41 yup May 22 15:04:50 heh, then you know what you are doing. May 22 15:04:52 yup May 22 15:05:00 it's just energy and time that I need to do it May 22 15:05:11 maybe during my vacation May 22 15:05:17 when I'll be bored May 22 15:05:29 There is a lot of stuff that can be apt-get'ed away. May 22 15:06:02 I'll mainly need to reinstall a lot of stuff... hopefuly the configs will mainly stay the same May 22 15:08:26 ruskie: CSSU gave great care to keep all config compatible with stock maemo May 22 15:09:19 lolwut: http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/dog-lovers-tricked-into-buying-steroid-filled-ferrets-instead-of-poodles-3587261/ May 22 15:09:22 almost everything you used to do on stock maemo5 should work exactly same way on CSSU May 22 15:09:31 vi__: old and a hoax May 22 15:09:37 *cssu stable May 22 15:09:46 kerio: I am so dissapoint. May 22 15:09:51 some stuff works simpler though, r isnt needed at all anymore May 22 15:09:51 yeah I'll just have to reinstall a ton of stuff I have self built but I still have the repo running May 22 15:10:07 ...what stuff? May 22 15:10:57 fcron, xmms2, zsh, sharing_cli and I think a few other stuff May 22 15:10:59 ruskie: (obsolete) like MHD, keyboard patch for NK-enter problem, etc May 22 15:12:09 ruskie: see: May 22 15:12:17 ~jrtools May 22 15:12:19 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools May 22 15:12:23 fcron? May 22 15:13:26 poor alternative to alarmed May 22 15:13:53 works for me though hehe ;) May 22 15:14:07 ooooorrrrr a ill-named dbus-scripting alternative May 22 15:14:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie <-- have some stuff here for repartioning May 22 15:15:07 repartitioning? May 22 15:15:27 yup I repartioned my device live May 22 15:15:46 should ghet done prior to installing new maemo from scratch May 22 15:16:00 yeah I'll look at resizing the stuff May 22 15:16:11 I reduce mydocs to minimal May 22 15:16:16 like 2gb or so May 22 15:16:30 most everything I put it to home May 22 15:16:42 and latest CSSU comes with support for all sorts of tweaks to fstab May 22 15:16:44 and some opt May 22 15:16:47 ow??? May 22 15:17:15 ask Pali May 22 15:17:24 ruskie: did order... May 22 15:17:29 it's still pre-release May 22 15:18:00 DocScrutinizer51: preorder is 0eur... May 22 15:18:19 but aiui the plan is to enable user custom repartitioning May 22 15:18:44 I think I'll wait for some reviews and maybe a hands on test(if any of the local cellcos will offer it) for the jolla device May 22 15:18:56 chem|st: I know, but wtf if I preorder 2nd best instead of premium? May 22 15:19:22 feels all like cheating on customers May 22 15:20:00 well I think supportif and after having an android tab for 4 weeks I want my next phone to be swipe for sure May 22 15:21:35 for all I can tell this "other-half" *seems* to be a colored and maybe nametagged plastic snapon coat. But could also be an abo for jolla journal, or a t-shirt May 22 15:23:43 and do you recall nokia's N900 preorder story. Epic! you could preorder for ~600 EUR and in the end possibly got device later than those who ordered at amazon for 500 May 22 15:24:04 yes, I remember that May 22 15:24:20 hopefully they will have remembered to solve that problem as well May 22 15:26:55 so that 100 bucks premium preorder offer gets you: a voucher worth 100 bucks off to the max 499EUR jolla will call for a device that amazon might sell at 249. Plus a "other-half" that nobody specifies what it actually is May 22 15:29:34 heck, idiots like Obi and Baumarkt and Saturn know how to do that better, offering best-price warranty like "if you show us a source to get the device cheaper than what you paid here, we return the difference in price plus some bucks compensation to you" May 22 15:31:09 When will they reveal details as to what exactly the 'other half' thing is? It seems to be the main feature but we don't know what it is. May 22 15:31:14 (that's why they get manuf to give them a different ean and sky so they can claim "it's not the same product") May 22 15:31:30 DocScrutinizer51: i really hope that the latest cssu doesn't come with additions to rcS-late May 22 15:31:32 sku* May 22 15:31:34 because they make my device unbootable May 22 15:31:55 a realistic 9 months still till device rollout... May 22 15:32:26 * DocScrutinizer51 should try again to get a job as EE or system architect hw, at jolla May 22 15:33:23 * freemangordon thinks to apply for the position if they need a new CEO :D May 22 15:33:54 Go for it FMG, you are certain to get it. May 22 15:34:23 unfortunately I don;t use twitter, so not sure how to apply May 22 15:34:31 ooh, yes May 22 15:34:37 there is FB May 22 15:34:39 CEO? omg not it May 22 15:35:03 DocScrutinizer05: But why, I have NFC how to do that job :P May 22 15:35:39 ooh tyen you're probably perfectrly qualified May 22 15:35:50 DocScrutinizer05: come on, if Steve can be the CEO of Nokia... May 22 15:36:04 At least I have more that 2 brain cells May 22 15:36:06 see above May 22 15:36:13 yep May 22 15:36:39 be careful! more than 5 might be a KO criterion May 22 15:36:48 KO? May 22 15:37:01 kockout May 22 15:37:47 more than 5 brain cells? nevermind. next candidate please May 22 15:37:55 oh, yes May 22 15:38:02 well, I can lie to them ;) May 22 15:38:26 (if it turns out I have more than 5) May 22 15:39:23 honestly, usually for a CEO rather strange qualifications count May 22 15:40:37 probably mr Flop had too many brain clls, which gave him ideas not approved by the really qualified people May 22 15:40:53 well, at least here, a degree in economics is a must. Even for IT companies. Which is rather strange IMO May 22 15:41:26 afk May 22 15:41:29 bbl May 22 16:12:55 ShadowJK: sure, we (hopefully) all know about those tricks to make your product "unique" so nobody ever could claim that warranty. But other sellers offer to give you same conditions on date of purchase. And I must be God's favourite douche bag if I'd pay 100 bucks to preorder sth that not even has tech specs and no way to make sure I didn't waste that 100 bucks on nothing since I'd *save* another 50 bicks with NOT using that preorder May 22 16:12:56 and rather ordering at $seller-b May 22 16:13:20 s/bick/buck/ May 22 16:14:00 ~ping May 22 16:14:01 ~pong May 22 16:14:21 ooh, overlength May 22 16:14:34 nevertheless ibot and purl offline May 22 16:14:36 ~die May 22 16:17:24 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! May 22 16:38:07 DocScrutinizer05: the pre-orders are either 100e for the other half package, 40e for the t-shirt package and 0e for just the phone to show your interest May 22 16:38:34 despite choosing any of the above three you can apply for a refund within 14days of delivery of the package May 22 16:39:21 so you have enough room IMO to change your mind May 22 17:02:30 thedead1440: I know of the three options. I however don't see an option to get beck my 100EUR if that mystical "other-half" isn't worth it, or if the pricetag jolla calls up is >> what e.g. amazon calls May 22 17:02:53 back* May 22 17:06:22 So get the 0 one. May 22 17:06:32 or just apply for a refund? May 22 17:07:31 read the FAQ ;) https://jolla.com/care/ May 22 17:11:31 dafuq is that May 22 17:11:41 why does the jolla website look like shit May 22 17:12:01 and why is having themes matching the backcover relevant to a good mobile OS? May 22 17:12:25 thedead1440: how's a refund 14 days after I ordered the 100EUR preorder helping me when in 9 months it turns out I preordered a device for 499EUR that I could get for 220 at $random-seller? May 22 17:12:49 kerio: +1 May 22 17:13:09 DocScrutinizer05: its 14 days after you receive the package! Like I said you should read the FAQ first before pre-ordering May 22 17:13:27 I probably *did* read them May 22 17:13:48 and do you know what is defined as "delivery of package"? May 22 17:14:09 in my book that's the moment they send the voucher to me May 22 17:16:14 that's not the way i interpret it but since in my country i could place the 0e one only i did that. If you want to be clear about what you are doing they have in almost every FAQ answer asked you to email them for further clarification. Honestly its much better than trying to come up with various different interpretations of their answers May 22 17:17:53 there is no possible different interpretations - 14 period starts with t-shirt and voucher arriving at you. In line with standard european internet shopping laws May 22 17:18:51 and they are shipping the t-shirt + other half now? it seems more like they'll only ship it just before the device is also shipped May 22 17:19:10 no, they are shipping the t-shirt and voucher right away May 22 17:19:57 maybe only the voucher May 22 17:22:09 >>If you join the Movement and get the pre-order number to buy the phone when available, you’ll pay no more than 399€; including applicable VAT in Europe, but excluding shipping costs, duties and any local taxes.<< May 22 17:22:10 if so then email them and clarify if you want to place the 100e pre-order May 22 17:23:20 seems like courier-only shipping too, which is a PITA May 22 17:25:25 FWIW, I'm pretty sure you would not have a hard time getting the device to ship to Germany after its launched if you don't pre-order as demand would most likely be there. May 22 17:33:27 I'm however interested in that completely obscure "ltd ed. jolla " and "the-other-half" stuff that for all I can tell might be everything from a virtual eligibility to buy a jolla phone, to a developer edition plus special hardware kbd snapon May 22 17:34:17 the hw kbd snapon seems intriguing indeed May 22 17:35:45 and same time I feel like getting cheated by exactly this policy to offer stuff that's not defined, and even ask for a substantial 100 bucks down payment while not even warranting that this will get me the best available price for the product once it ships May 22 17:36:29 The risks of pre-ordering May 22 17:38:08 DocScrutinizer05: BTW, when I registered (for the $0 package), I hit a LOT of website bugs May 22 17:38:18 like, it told me for all username attempts that the name is already taken May 22 17:38:26 ended up with 7 confirmation mails in my inbox... May 22 17:38:29 LOL May 22 17:38:47 and then I had NO preorder, but ONLY the account, with zero data in it except for email and password May 22 17:38:49 optimized for MSIE May 22 17:38:53 well, apparently they hate Chromium May 22 17:39:35 so I then went there AGAIN, logged in by "check my orders", then ordered again (this time, the user/pass fields were gone) May 22 17:39:42 abysmal appearance May 22 17:39:42 so it actually affected my account then May 22 17:40:52 sounds exactly like my experience when trying to register to developers.nokia.com, or forum.meego or any other meego site May 22 17:41:27 turned out it only works with FF with *standard* cookie settings and security policies May 22 17:42:37 and only if those settings been in effect on your very first visit of the page, otherwise some never-expiring expired session-validation cookie threw you back to login inevitably May 22 17:43:05 no chance to register or login to that website until you deleted that session cookie May 22 17:43:40 (FF default settings would have done that for you on closing FF) May 22 17:44:36 since that's been pretty identical for devel.nokia and *.meego, I guess they used exactly same "framework" on jolla now May 22 18:11:31 promoting to extras-testing doesn't really work, does it? May 22 18:12:42 Sc0rpius: merlin1991 is, afaik, MIA May 22 18:13:03 oh, is he in charge of those kind of issues? May 22 18:13:17 he's in charge of repos **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 23 02:59:59 2013