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May 29 04:14:04 <sombragris> hi there
May 29 04:14:15 <sombragris> I have a question
May 29 04:14:36 <sombragris> in my N900 i have and use 3 browsers
May 29 04:14:53 <sombragris> MicroB, Macuco and Opera Mini 
May 29 04:15:04 <sombragris> my question is,
May 29 04:15:21 <sombragris> which one uses less power?
May 29 04:15:40 <sombragris> which one is best for the battery?
May 29 04:15:56 <sombragris> thanks in advance
May 29 04:16:11 <rikanee> sombragris: Opera Mini, although it's more of a mobile browser.
May 29 04:16:31 <rikanee> MicroB would be the worst offender battery-wise, but it's a full-featured browser.
May 29 04:17:03 <sombragris> rikanee: thanks!
May 29 04:17:52 <sombragris> yeah, MicroB is them best. too bad its JS engine is SO slow
May 29 04:18:03 <Sc0rpius> I think it depends
May 29 04:18:11 <Sc0rpius> Opera Mini is great for faster browsing
May 29 04:18:20 <Sc0rpius> Facebook in MicroB for example it's pretty bad in such a tiny screen
May 29 04:18:24 <Sc0rpius> but it's great in Opera
May 29 04:18:26 <sombragris> it chokes on the fb main site 
May 29 04:18:42 <Sc0rpius> MicroB?
May 29 04:18:53 <Sc0rpius> MicroB chokes everywhere since it's pretty outdated now
May 29 04:19:32 <sombragris> indeed
May 29 04:19:57 <sombragris> are you scorpius of yappari fame ?
May 29 04:20:14 <Sc0rpius> yeah as in Yappari's developer but I don't think I have any fame hehe
May 29 04:20:34 <sombragris> lol 
May 29 04:20:56 <sombragris> you're the man! thanks for yappari!
May 29 04:21:02 <Sc0rpius> I'm glad you like it :)
May 29 04:22:52 <sombragris> it's great. I can get into the wa network. don't like it but people insist on using it
May 29 04:23:18 <Sc0rpius> yeah I don't like it either, but it's like I have no choice.  All my friends and family use it
May 29 04:24:06 <Sc0rpius> I was really hoping for GTalk to become mainstream like that
May 29 04:24:10 <Sc0rpius> but never happened. 
May 29 04:26:23 <sombragris> sorry
May 29 04:31:04 <sombragris> thanks for everything
May 29 04:31:12 <sombragris> gotta go now
May 29 04:31:16 <sombragris> bye!
May 29 04:31:21 <Sc0rpius> bye have fun
May 29 06:45:50 <reenignEesreveR> is it possible to stable install fcam-drivers on PowerKernel?
May 29 07:12:35 <kerio> iirc they work
May 29 07:20:11 <Apic> A splendid fine Morning!
May 29 07:29:11 <kerio> µ
May 29 08:27:40 <vi__> no µ!
May 29 10:31:57 <DocScrutinizer05> reenignEesreveR: I'm sure there is a version of drivers that works with at least 50,51-PK dunno if Pali builds them and if KP52 already has them
May 29 11:13:55 <vi__> How the F* does the windows file system work?
May 29 11:14:22 <vi__> The whole notion of disks having their own paths does not compute.
May 29 11:24:17 <merlin1991> vi__: hehehehee
May 29 11:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> vi__: drive letters *dunkandcover,run*
May 29 11:37:09 <r00t^home> nt does support mountpoints too...
May 29 11:38:44 <DocScrutinizer05> no surprise. I'd be more surprised if windows would support anything like mounting at all
May 29 11:39:09 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily I never had to find out
May 29 11:39:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I once had to figure how to create a link to a dir. That been sufficiently unpleasant an adventure
May 29 11:40:45 <r00t^home> what windows does not support is relocating /home to another disk, that's fun...
May 29 11:49:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess that's what %HOMEDIR% (or sth like that) is for
May 29 11:50:38 <chem|st> r00t^home: it does...
May 29 11:51:23 <chem|st> r00t^home: I used to have windows homedir and linux homedir set to the same folder
May 29 11:52:00 <r00t^home> you can't move the directory when a user is logged in, and can't move it without being logged in... fun like that
May 29 11:52:19 <chem|st> r00t^home: lol you are talking BS
May 29 11:52:45 <chem|st> r00t^home: copy your home dir to the place you want to use
May 29 11:52:53 <r00t^home> well, all my attempts failed when i tried... feel free to point me to the documentation of the procedure for next time
May 29 11:53:11 <chem|st> r00t^home: rightclick the home icon on desktop, settings move it...
May 29 11:53:13 <r00t^home> you can not copy your homedir while logged in, because files are locked
May 29 11:53:31 <chem|st> r00t^home: you cannot MOVE it!
May 29 11:53:44 <chem|st> and all locked files arent needed afaik
May 29 11:53:50 <r00t^home> you can not copy it either, because the files have exclusive locked by windows
May 29 11:53:56 <r00t^home> the file that contains all your settings, right
May 29 11:54:05 <chem|st> r00t^home: those files are for sessions
May 29 11:54:30 <chem|st> r00t^home: I have here a button to even "move" my homedir...
May 29 11:54:36 <chem|st> note: a button
May 29 11:54:52 <r00t^home> well, point me to the documentation on relocating "Documents and Setting" and i'll try next time
May 29 11:55:01 <chem|st> you have to use the desktop icon
May 29 11:55:21 <chem|st> ah dokuments and settings isnt homdir
May 29 11:55:25 <chem|st> thath is appdata
May 29 11:55:33 <r00t^home> since when? windows 8?
May 29 11:56:03 <chem|st> $APPDATA$ and $HOMEDIR$ are different folders...
May 29 11:56:51 <r00t^home> the point is: you just installed a shiny new large hd into a windows user's computer... and have to tell them that they now have to save their files on d:
May 29 11:56:54 <chem|st> r00t^home: for changing appdata you need to alter registry
May 29 11:57:10 <r00t^home> (besides fun stuff like you can't keep the homedirs across a reinstall)
May 29 11:57:52 <chem|st> r00t^home: OMG I did all that what you try, several times...
May 29 11:58:07 <r00t^home> i stopped counting how often i tried
May 29 11:58:17 <r00t^home> as i said, feel free to point me to the documentation
May 29 11:58:41 <chem|st> I tried once...
May 29 11:59:05 <chem|st> every new install I just alter the windows pointers and reboot...
May 29 11:59:18 <chem|st> what is it? 7? xp?
May 29 12:01:13 <r00t^home> xp most of the time
May 29 12:04:36 <chem|st> did you copy the folder to the new place?
May 29 12:06:01 <chem|st> do you want to move all users or only some?
May 29 12:07:05 <chem|st> for single users you just login and do what I said with the desktop icon (there is a move it somewhere else button)
May 29 12:07:47 <chem|st> to move the whole folderstructure you need to change the registry entries for them
May 29 12:09:43 <chem|st> win7 supports folderlinks... I don't know if xp does that
May 29 12:13:25 <chem|st> r00t^home: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=236621
May 29 12:14:29 <chem|st> somewhere after "unattend"
May 29 12:16:01 <r00t^home> "To specify a different folder for the "Documents and Settings" folder during installation,"
May 29 12:16:14 <r00t^home> did you miss the "during installation" part?
May 29 12:18:14 <r00t^home> "In Registry Editor, click Find on the Edit menu.
May 29 12:18:14 <r00t^home> Type documents and settings, and then click Find."
May 29 12:18:18 <r00t^home> i lol'd
May 29 12:18:51 <chem|st> r00t^home: I said after the unattended part...
May 29 12:20:05 <chem|st> this is the microsoft way... we lol'ed at those procedings msca class as the lector was also unaware that there are, faster and mor intuitive ways of handling things he thought
May 29 12:21:14 <chem|st> to much windows talk here already... I am out
May 29 12:24:45 <entitled> So, I've done it. Used (wet) sandpaper to get rid of few deep scratches and one burn from cigarette from my N900 display.
May 29 12:25:39 <entitled> 1000-1200-1500-2000-2500-3000 grit and tamiya polishing compound (fine).
May 29 12:26:55 <entitled> the display isn't cloudly at all when used in normal conditions, but if I shine light on it, it shows. Maybe by some extra fine tamiya.
May 29 12:27:56 <sixwheeledbeast> what's the finish like?
May 29 12:28:17 <entitled> The digitizer works as good as ever, and no longer the stylus gets stuck on scratches or the cigaretter burn
May 29 12:29:01 <entitled> there's a little bit more resistance tho, but too noticeable.
May 29 12:30:18 <entitled> in direct sunlight I can see very light cloudiness, but I think I'll get rid of it with some more 3000 sandpaper (or higher :D) or finer polishing compounf
May 29 12:30:57 <entitled> I think I need somekind of conditioner to give a protecting film for the display that I sanded away.
May 29 12:32:13 <entitled> If anyone has suggestions for that I'll give it a go.
May 29 12:33:31 <entitled> oil of some sort?
May 29 12:36:04 <entitled> I thought the 3000 grittiness was overkill, but the display was bit cloudy evden after that. Not sure if I gave it a go enough long, but the Tamiya ("fine") got rid of it.
May 29 12:37:15 <entitled> Too bad I broke the usb just before I was about to open this baby up and polish the display :E
May 29 12:38:34 <entitled> it didn't move much but I tried soldering the side where the ground leg was off, but that didn't help. Must be broken under the connector
May 29 12:39:48 <sixwheeledbeast> use a screen protector?
May 29 12:40:11 <entitled> hmm, could work
May 29 12:40:24 <entitled> Tho I'd like a more permanent solution
May 29 12:40:55 <entitled> If I can't find a small enough replacement that still leaves space for the soldering (with flux it should be still doable as long as the tip fits there)
May 29 12:42:00 <entitled> then I'll do a custom female connector, that connects to male counterpart that in turn is connected to usb
May 29 12:49:25 <r00t^home> i'm halfway through the powermat mod on mine
May 29 14:10:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<chem|st> win7 supports folderlinks... I don't know if xp does that)) yes, with a tool you need to fetch from internet
May 29 14:11:25 <merlin1991> or you can mount ntfs volumes under a path
May 29 14:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> entitled: I suggest carnauba wax (car polsih)
May 29 14:14:13 <Apic> Can anybody point me to the subjective best Howto for USB-Host-Mode?
May 29 14:14:23 <Apic> s/ve/vely/
May 29 14:14:24 <infobot> Apic meant: Can anybody point me to the subjectively best Howto for USB-Host-Mode?
May 29 14:17:11 <Apic> (On N900)
May 29 14:20:36 <vi__> entitled: You may want to consider some jewellers rouge.
May 29 14:20:56 <vi__> entitled: Start with 8000 grit.
May 29 14:22:38 <vi__> Also, consider a 'zagg invisible shield'.  It is expensive but by far the best screen protector I have used.
May 29 14:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: howto?
May 29 14:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: get h-e-n package
May 29 14:27:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hen
May 29 14:27:05 <infobot> i guess hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232
May 29 14:27:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode
May 29 14:27:27 <infobot> somebody said hostmode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330
May 29 14:27:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode-powered
May 29 14:27:40 <infobot> hostmode-powered is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
May 29 14:27:42 <Apic> Thanks!
May 29 14:31:39 <Apic> Can I use a Hub too?
May 29 14:39:55 <peetah> I messed up with some packages that does not seem to be present in any repository: hildon-im-keyboard-assistant, initrd-progs, libtopos0, osso-abook-home-applet, osso-addressbook and sysinfo-tool
May 29 14:40:16 <peetah> can someone point me to a place where I could download them , thanks
May 29 14:40:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: yes
May 29 14:40:57 <Apic> Thanks!
May 29 14:45:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNF7yajM3Lo
May 29 14:50:28 <merlin1991> peetah: those should be in the ssu repos (nokia)
May 29 14:53:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg1oU2nLwu0
May 29 14:54:06 <peetah> merlin1991: is it still accessible ?
May 29 14:54:30 <Apic> tnx
May 29 14:55:23 <merlin1991> peetah: yep
May 29 14:55:32 <merlin1991> a simple apt-get install --reinstall should refetch them
May 29 14:55:58 <merlin1991> just enable the nokia repo in ham if you disabled it
May 29 14:56:04 <peetah> then I may have disabled it ... let me check HAM config
May 29 14:59:00 <peetah> merlin1991: yep that was it, thanks !
May 29 15:01:02 <Apic> yay, works with my Gamepad \o/
May 29 15:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: here you are - sorry took some tine to find my fav video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ
May 29 15:06:39 <Apic> Nice!
May 29 15:13:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ
May 29 15:13:09 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
May 29 15:13:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal hen
May 29 15:13:31 <infobot> "hen" is "hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232"
May 29 15:14:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hen is also see ~hostmode
May 29 15:14:03 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
May 29 15:14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal hostmode
May 29 15:14:24 <infobot> "hostmode" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ"
May 29 15:14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode is alsi see ~hostmode-pwered
May 29 15:14:39 <infobot> ...but hostmode is already something else...
May 29 15:14:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode is also see ~hostmode-powered
May 29 15:14:56 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: okay
May 29 15:15:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~hostmode
May 29 15:15:17 <infobot> rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered
May 29 15:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o
May 29 15:16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: thanks for using h-e-n/hostmode
May 29 15:16:48 <Apic> yw
May 29 15:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm ahppy about every single user that makes me feel like I didn't wast that 9 months
May 29 15:17:24 <DocScrutinizer05> waste even
May 29 15:18:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I probably would've done it anyway, just because Nokia claimed it can't get done ;-P
May 29 15:18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but sure it's way nicer to know that h-e-n is actually useful for some folks out there
May 29 15:21:21 <trx> DocScrutinizer05 i use it all the time on field with a lan network adapter
May 29 15:21:30 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: using a hub you even save the frequent enum, since the hub *can* detect plug events, unlike the raped musb-controller in N900
May 29 15:21:38 <Apic> k
May 29 15:21:46 <trx> time *not* waisted for sure :)
May 29 15:21:58 <Apic> B-)
May 29 15:22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and you can inject power at least for the peripherals with a powered hub
May 29 15:22:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the N900 cna deliver only 200mA
May 29 15:22:37 <DocScrutinizer05> while evry single peripheral may want as much as 500
May 29 15:22:46 <DocScrutinizer05> trx: thanks :-D
May 29 15:24:04 <DocScrutinizer05> It just occured to me while watching those YT vids that probably the mouse-cursor program should get linked by a udev rule
May 29 15:24:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so it gets executed automatically on enumerating a mouse
May 29 15:24:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and on unplugging the mouse
May 29 15:25:00 <DocScrutinizer05> (though that could get difficult, since... musb-controller not detecting plug and unplug events)
May 29 15:25:54 <DocScrutinizer05> with a hub however both would just work, and with plain adapter-based hostmode it would still at least detect the mouse on manual enum
May 29 15:26:33 <DocScrutinizer05> funny detail: I never really used hostmode, except in tests
May 29 15:29:21 <trx> :)
May 29 15:30:33 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a good thing, since it made me think "what will users need" instead of the usual "what do  *I* need"
May 29 15:31:16 <DocScrutinizer05> a lot of those "it does what I needed" programs are crap
May 29 15:32:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Apic: could you do me a favor?
May 29 15:32:24 <Apic> Maube.
May 29 15:32:26 <Apic> s/u/y/
May 29 15:32:28 <infobot> Apic meant: Maybe.
May 29 15:32:40 <DocScrutinizer05> check something on your device with h-e-n installed?
May 29 15:32:44 <Apic> k
May 29 15:33:03 <Apic> How? What?
May 29 15:33:34 <DocScrutinizer05> wc -l /usr/sbin/booston
May 29 15:34:50 <Apic> 110
May 29 15:34:56 <DocScrutinizer05> :-) thanks
May 29 15:35:00 <Apic> yw
May 29 15:35:14 <DocScrutinizer05> though here it's 121
May 29 15:35:28 <Apic> ic
May 29 15:36:40 <DocScrutinizer05> probably some local obsolete version. the one I publish on maemo.cloud-7.de has 110 as well, and that one *should* be the right one
May 29 15:38:06 <DocScrutinizer05> you know you could add some arbitrary indicator LED pattern to show hostmode (well, vboost) is running?
May 29 15:39:57 <Apic> Didn't think of it before You said. B-)
May 29 15:43:46 <DocScrutinizer05> look at first 3 lines in /usr/sbin/booston
May 29 15:44:38 <DocScrutinizer05> edit /etc/mce/mce.ini - the sed command in booston just does half the job, you also need to add a line with the actual PatternVboost definition
May 29 15:45:40 <DocScrutinizer05> you can duplicate another pattern line, change the name to PatternVboost, then use indicator LED pattern editor (app) to change the pattern/color to whatever you like
May 29 15:58:58 <divVerent> ~badpastebin
May 29 15:59:07 <divVerent> no, what was that URL again :)
May 29 16:06:51 * sixwheeledbeast wonders if DocScrutinizer05 ever got his MK5500 from DHL?
May 29 16:07:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 29 16:07:53 <DocScrutinizer05> MX
May 29 16:08:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pastebin
May 29 16:08:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~pastebinit
May 29 16:08:33 <DocScrutinizer05> grrr
May 29 16:08:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys pastebin
May 29 16:08:53 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF
May 29 16:09:27 <sixwheeledbeast> what you think :)
May 29 16:10:24 <merlin1991> ~ping
May 29 16:10:28 <merlin1991> see ;)
May 29 16:12:30 <sixwheeledbeast> infobot: where are you?
May 29 16:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> server dead
May 29 16:14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :-o
May 29 16:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> Tim hurries to head home and check what's up
May 29 16:16:24 <sixwheeledbeast> <<(16:15:48) DocScrutinizer05: the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o>>
May 29 16:16:50 <merlin1991> so it's zombieapocalypse time?
May 29 16:20:43 <sixwheeledbeast> mmm
May 29 16:22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-29 18:11:05] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-05-29 17:15:48] <DocScrutinizer05> the day infobot dies we're all screwed :-o
May 29 16:22:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
May 29 16:23:17 <DocScrutinizer05> http://xkcd.com/705/
May 29 16:39:09 <sixwheeledbeast> lmao^^^
May 29 16:41:42 <sixwheeledbeast> pkg
May 29 16:42:00 <sixwheeledbeast> doh forgot about infobot ...
May 29 16:47:17 <nilsge> hello all
May 29 16:48:52 <nilsge> Is it possible to run an rss reader on my n900 (Community SSU) and let my desktop linux access its database over SSH so they are in sync? 
May 29 16:51:11 <sixwheeledbeast> nilsge: Which CSSU? Why do they need to be in sync?
May 29 16:56:23 <nilsge> sixwheeledbeast: why in sync? Because it is two different computers.
May 29 16:56:32 <nilsge> and cssu 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2
May 29 16:56:36 <nilsge> Testing
May 29 16:56:57 <sixwheeledbeast> just have the same settings on both?
May 29 16:57:10 <nilsge> then I get new entries double
May 29 16:57:22 <nilsge> an RSS reader is good because it remembers what you have read and what is new
May 29 16:57:51 <sixwheeledbeast> OIC what you mean
May 29 16:59:39 <nilsge> this is a convenience question. If is already exists. I can write my ssh script to copy and sync, that is not the problem. But maybe one of the readers has a server built-in already
May 29 17:01:48 <sixwheeledbeast> not that I know of.
May 29 17:03:38 <nilsge> hm.. or I can run a webserver permanently on the n900 with a rss reader server and then it doesn't matter anyway if the client is local or not
May 29 17:04:49 <sixwheeledbeast> g2g o/
May 29 17:05:05 <divVerent> nilsge: sure you can
May 29 17:05:23 <divVerent> but why not use some existing web based rss reader service?
May 29 17:05:49 <nilsge> I want control
May 29 17:06:27 <nilsge> and it must be a real server, probably one with Google API compatibility. I like local clients, especially if you are on the 'road' and every kb matters because of the slow GPRS connection
May 29 17:07:47 <nilsge> and why on the n900? Because I have that device with me all the time. I could run that server on my router but that wouldn'T be as reliable. Even the router can loose its connection.
May 29 17:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> wb infobot!!!
May 29 17:08:53 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
May 29 17:09:37 <nilsge> ah, a good idea. maybe I can get one of the rss 'planet' feed-mergers to run on the n900. Even make a package. Then you can access all your rss subscriptions with any client and it is still in sync.
May 29 18:31:43 <spade`>  1988 user      3932 S    /usr/bin/modest
May 29 18:32:28 <spade`> 1989 user     50736 S    /usr/bin/modest
May 29 18:32:41 <spade`> why 2 modest on my n900
May 29 18:33:09 <spade`> :|
May 29 18:48:18 <ecc3g> one is probably a coarse thread of the other (the 1989 process's PID is probably 1988).
May 29 18:49:38 <ecc3g> s/PID/PPID/
May 29 18:49:39 <infobot> ecc3g meant: one is probably a coarse thread of the other (the 1989 process's PPID is probably 1988).
May 29 19:01:46 <fastlane``> how can i kill modest
May 29 19:01:50 <fastlane``> cuz it wont let me
May 29 19:01:53 <fastlane``> i dont use it
May 29 19:02:01 <fastlane``> modest is the default email client right?
May 29 19:18:49 <Woody14619> modest, like many things, respanws and stays in the background so it's ready when needed (like browser, rt-com, calendar, etc).  There's a way to config those so they don't auto-load or respawn, but I don't recall how to do so.... google the wiki, it's in there. :)
May 29 20:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody (freemangodon, vi_ ?) in this channel investigated how to completely kill it
May 29 20:24:38 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not exactly simple
May 29 20:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> start with sed -i s/X-Maemo-Prestarted=always/X-Maemo-Prestarted=never/ /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop
May 29 20:27:21 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, didn't notice [2013-05-29 21:52:49] <-- fastlane`` has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
May 29 20:27:25 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
May 29 20:31:47 <DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless, to complete it for the records: you also want to take care about alarmd events that get rescheduled and would start up modest again when expiring. so you a) make sure your modest update interval is >>the 30min or whatever you could set via GUI (use gconftool for that), and b) you want to remove any legacy alarmd scheduled event for modest from alarmd's event list which is persistent across reboots, use alarmclient for that
May 29 20:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> cna't recall if there been even more catches to modest-removal. Maybe chanlog search helps
May 29 20:37:34 <fastlane``> i cudnt get in to #maemo
May 29 20:37:34 <fastlane``> what happened, got redirected to another channel
May 29 20:37:46 <Sc0rpius> that's some netsplit protection 
May 29 20:37:56 <Sc0rpius> you're forwarded to an overflow channel
May 29 20:37:57 <fastlane``> ohk
May 29 20:38:05 <fastlane``> yea ,, that overflow channel
May 29 20:38:10 <Sc0rpius> yeah I hate it too
May 29 20:38:11 <Sc0rpius> :)
May 29 20:38:16 <fastlane``> :)
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May 29 21:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> please elaborate with proper irc protocol on what happened. When I once set up the throttling, I used arbitrary made up values. Those might well need some tuning
May 29 21:10:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I've been asked to start a mini fundraiser here, to ensure our "official backup server"
May 29 21:10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> so: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347859#post1347859
May 29 22:47:16 <raid__> what's the difference between the BFS kernel and KernelPower?
May 29 22:50:47 <DocScrutinizer05> the Brain Fuck Scheduler
May 29 22:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> not recommended
May 29 22:52:03 <DocScrutinizer05> on fremantle the scheduler never been the bottleneck, so why mess with it?
May 29 22:52:27 <Win7Mac> There is something strange about the Community-links in right menu on tmo. Mouse-over and resulting page not as ecpected it seems.
May 29 22:52:58 <raid__> DocScrutinizer05: thanks. so i guess i'll stick with kernelpower then
May 29 22:53:49 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I have classic light theme, no links on right side
May 29 22:54:36 <raid__> i remember my emmc getting corrupted when i used kernelpower before
May 29 22:55:01 <raid__> not sure if it was the kernel, or using 'Mass Storage Mode' on a partially charged battery
May 29 22:55:13 <raid__> probably the ladder
May 29 22:57:08 <Win7Mac> DocScruitinizer, check on regular browser
May 29 23:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> the theme is same no matter which browser
May 29 23:02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> raid__: KP shouldn't affect emmc
May 29 23:02:22 <Win7Mac> ok, who do I have to contact tor such things?
May 29 23:02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> chem|st, maintainer of tmo
May 29 23:03:32 <Win7Mac> chem|st: ^^^^
May 29 23:04:01 <raid__> i've been trying to secure access to root, so i tried sudser and it gives me an error: "sudoers file: syntax error, line 25" "/etc/sudoers.d/everybody.sudoers changes break sudoers"
May 29 23:04:13 <raid__> it gives me that when installing kernel-power
May 29 23:04:41 <raid__> i think it's originating in dpkg
May 29 23:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> sudser is bad
May 29 23:05:10 <raid__> i used to use rootsh, but it doesn't ask for a password to gain root
May 29 23:05:11 <kerio> +1
May 29 23:05:24 <kerio> just make your file in sudoers.d
May 29 23:05:28 <DocScrutinizer05> sudser doesn't either
May 29 23:05:32 <DocScrutinizer05> see 
May 29 23:05:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
May 29 23:05:36 <infobot> jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 29 23:05:44 <DocScrutinizer05> on how to enable password
May 29 23:05:47 <raid__> i noticed...how do i secure root?
May 29 23:05:52 <raid__> oh thanks
May 29 23:05:56 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
May 29 23:06:10 <DocScrutinizer05> NB it's still not safe
May 29 23:06:14 <kerio> your jrtools are also bad, they break `sudo gainroot` semantics
May 29 23:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> but a lot better than without
May 29 23:06:35 <kerio> namely, the fact that it doesn't ask for a password, and it doesn't work outside of rdmode
May 29 23:06:50 <DocScrutinizer05> eh?
May 29 23:07:15 <kerio> in maemo fremantle, the above is true
May 29 23:07:22 <DocScrutinizer05> sure when I make sudo gainroot ask for password, then it breaks the semantics of not asking for password! o.O
May 29 23:07:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and the second half of your statement makes no sense at all
May 29 23:08:17 <kerio> gainroot checks for rdmode, and only gives you a root shell if it's enabled
May 29 23:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> orly?
May 29 23:08:46 <kerio> yarly!
May 29 23:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> BS
May 29 23:09:06 <DocScrutinizer05> gainroot also checks sudoers
May 29 23:09:20 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why sudo gainroot
May 29 23:09:25 <kerio> no it doesn't
May 29 23:09:30 <kerio> gainroot is a script
May 29 23:09:34 <kerio> sudo checks sudoers
May 29 23:09:52 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I got no time for that pointless BS
May 29 23:10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> let's discuss why you write your nick the wrong way
May 29 23:10:42 <kerio> :o
May 29 23:10:52 <kerio> what's the right way?
May 29 23:10:58 <r00t^home> it looks like my second n900 broke... to me it seems like some heavy filesystem corruption... at first only modest kept crashing, apparantly beacuse it's database was corrupted... then random settings got reset, tracker was broken (media player said no files), the "three dots" bootscreen didn't appear (but it still booted), now it stopped booting completely...
May 29 23:11:13 <kerio> "broke"
May 29 23:11:19 <kerio> reflash it, and restore a backup
May 29 23:11:39 <r00t^home> well, the first one also stopped booting but i can't reflash it because usb is broken
May 29 23:11:54 <r00t^home> and in this case, it could still be that the flash is physically broken... we'll see...
May 29 23:11:56 <raid__> DocScrutinizer05: you have to install CSSU to secure root?
May 29 23:11:57 <kerio> do you have a way to boot from usd?
May 29 23:12:13 <DocScrutinizer05> raid__: no
May 29 23:12:56 <r00t^home> fun stuff: i've been trying to get a working recovery boot recently (before it broke), but it seems that all installation instructions i found for that are outdated
May 29 23:13:11 <raid__> DocScrutinizer05: oh...i have to flash my phone?
May 29 23:13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> no
May 29 23:13:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you install rootsh and follow that oneliner instruction on jrtools
May 29 23:14:40 <DocScrutinizer05> # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot
May 29 23:15:07 <DocScrutinizer05> around half way down the page
May 29 23:15:08 <raid__> DocScrutinizer05: we are talking about the same wiki right?  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 29 23:15:13 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
May 29 23:15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you install rootsh, open a terminal, type 
May 29 23:15:58 <DocScrutinizer05> root
May 29 23:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\
May 29 23:16:10 <DocScrutinizer05>  s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL =\
May 29 23:16:11 <DocScrutinizer05>  PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" \
May 29 23:16:13 <DocScrutinizer05>  -i  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo
May 29 23:16:14 <DocScrutinizer05> that's it
May 29 23:17:25 <DocScrutinizer05> you damn better set a root password before
May 29 23:17:29 <DocScrutinizer05> with 
May 29 23:17:31 <DocScrutinizer05> passwd
May 29 23:18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot
May 29 23:18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> # this will allow your N900 to ask for ROOT password on "root" 
May 29 23:18:12 <DocScrutinizer05> # and "sudo gainroot" as it's supposed to be
May 29 23:18:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ...
May 29 23:20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> or you use nano or whatever editor you prefer, and add the one line
May 29 23:20:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Defaults targetpw
May 29 23:20:35 <DocScrutinizer05> manually, as well as the edit from
May 29 23:20:37 <DocScrutinizer05> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot
May 29 23:20:39 <DocScrutinizer05> to
May 29 23:20:49 <DocScrutinizer05> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot
May 29 23:21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> in /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo
May 29 23:22:43 <DocScrutinizer05> if you don't add the >>Defaults targetpw<< line, then it will ask for *user's* password which makes no sense
May 29 23:26:26 <raid__> sorry, something just came up. let me deal with it
May 29 23:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> afk for a beer, bbl
May 29 23:49:15 <raid__> i see this is your setup script
May 29 23:49:19 <raid__> nice
May 29 23:57:35 <raid__> DocScrutinizer05: it works, thanks!
May 29 23:57:47 <raid__> i guess i better finally try out CSSU
May 29 23:57:58 <raid__> and try your config
May 29 23:58:20 <raid__> i have some setup steps i perform on flash that you might be interested in
May 29 23:58:44 <raid__> they include rebinding the keyboard keys
May 29 23:59:32 <raid__> and that's mostly it
May 30 00:14:00 <raid__> it should be okay for it to ask for the user password. it's supposed to keep out other people and unauthorized programs, and neither have your user password
May 30 00:14:40 <robbiethe1st> Just have it ask for your SSN randomly.
May 30 00:14:46 <robbiethe1st> and see if people notice
May 30 00:31:38 <r00t^home> so i reflashed the rootfs and got the device to boot again...
May 30 00:32:17 <r00t^home> and after mounting home via usb-storage, fun like:
May 30 00:32:17 <r00t^home> [12658.089730] EXT3-fs error (device sdb2): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 82087
May 30 00:32:17 <r00t^home> [12658.097831] EXT3-fs error (device sdb2): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 82063
May 30 00:32:36 <r00t^home> i did not see any fs errors in dmesg on the device... are they disabled or something?
May 30 00:34:54 <r00t^home> fsck => many screens full of errors
May 30 00:37:49 <robbiethe1st> the homefs seems to get corrupted once in a while during crashes
May 30 00:39:04 <r00t^home> what is the root password for http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img ?
May 30 00:39:34 <robbiethe1st> I'm pretty sure I never set it
May 30 00:39:49 <robbiethe1st> so what ever comes default on the devic
May 30 00:39:58 <r00t^home> then what's the use of the serial/ssh console option...
May 30 00:40:07 <r00t^home> if you can't log in...
May 30 00:44:01 <raid__> What happened to git? I used to have a procedure to install it on the n900, but that doesn't work anymore.
May 30 00:45:12 <r00t^home> i'm copying emmc to usd via usb storage now... great efficiency there ;)
May 30 00:45:30 <r00t^home> raid__: the "procedure" being? "apt-get install git"?
May 30 00:46:37 <raid__> no, i installed it from source
May 30 00:46:46 <raid__> with special options
May 30 00:47:04 <raid__> apt-get install git doesn't work right
May 30 00:50:09 <raid__> but now it won't let me install libcurl3-dev
May 30 00:50:18 <r00t^home> "won't let"?
May 30 00:50:38 <raid__> that's what i said...
May 30 00:50:54 <raid__> installing it was part of the procedure
May 30 00:51:25 <r00t^home> "won't let" is a pretty useless statement in the context of software problems
May 30 00:51:44 <raid__> it's a dependency issue
May 30 00:51:53 <raid__> i'll have to track it down later
May 30 00:51:55 <r00t^home> unless the program's output literally is "i won't let you do that" 
May 30 00:52:02 <raid__> i have to be somewhere in 40 minutes
May 30 00:52:09 <r00t^home> enjoy
May 30 00:52:18 <raid__> heh, sometimes it is in the world of linux
May 30 00:52:34 <r00t^home> i don't think so
May 30 00:52:52 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to test the ABSOLUT100
May 30 00:53:22 <raid__> there is room for improvement in the linux error messages
May 30 00:53:24 <r00t^home> i was about to make a joke asking if that's a brand of vodka... but it really is...
May 30 00:53:41 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
May 30 00:54:01 <raid__> arguably a lot of room
May 30 00:54:04 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed it is the vodka I bought 3 days ago
May 30 00:54:11 <r00t^home> but it seems that 100 is not the percentage of alcohol content...
May 30 00:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> no, the proof, which is % * 2
May 30 00:54:45 <raid__> it's the percent of satisfaction guarantee
May 30 00:54:48 <DocScrutinizer05> so 100 proof is 50%
May 30 00:55:00 <r00t^home> i read a different definition of "proof" a while back, but whatever
May 30 00:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah whatever, it has 50%
May 30 00:55:21 <raid__> it was probably from a linux error message
May 30 00:55:27 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
May 30 00:55:34 <r00t^home> (mixing rate with water where it still allows gunpowder to ignite... wikipedia...)
May 30 00:55:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki poorf
May 30 00:56:04 <r00t^home> lol
May 30 00:56:08 <infobot> I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=poorf&go=Go
May 30 00:56:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki proof
May 30 00:56:22 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|proof}} 'Proof' may refer to: * Proof (truth), argument or sufficient evidence for the truth of a proposition * Formal proof * Mathematical proof, a convincing demonstration that some mathematical statement is necessarily true * Proof theory, a branch of mathematical logic that represents proofs as formal mathematical objects * Alcohol proof, a measure of an alcoholic ...
May 30 00:56:27 <r00t^home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_proof
May 30 00:56:51 <r00t^home> "The term was originally used in the United Kingdom and was defined as 7/4 times the alcohol by volume (ABV). The UK now uses the ABV standard instead of alcohol proof. In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV.
May 30 00:56:51 <r00t^home> "
May 30 00:56:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki alcohol proof
May 30 00:57:05 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_proof (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Alcohol proof' is a measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage. The term was originally used in the United Kingdom and was defined as 7/4 times the alcohol by volume (ABV). The UK now uses the ABV standard instead of alcohol proof. In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV. The measurement of alcohol content ...
May 30 00:57:25 <r00t^home> "To ensure that the rum had not been watered down, it was "proved" by dousing gunpowder with it and then testing to see if the gunpowder would ignite. If it did not, then the rum contained too much water and was considered to be "under proof". Gunpowder would not burn in rum that contained less than approximately 57.15% ABV. Therefore, rum that contained this percentage of alcohol was defined to have "100° (one hundred degrees) proof".
May 30 00:57:26 <r00t^home> "
May 30 00:57:54 <DocScrutinizer05> In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV
May 30 00:58:20 <DocScrutinizer05> 100 proof = 50%
May 30 00:58:21 <r00t^home> you're not in the united states, your argument is invalid
May 30 00:58:35 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, i'm notß
May 30 00:58:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
May 30 00:58:48 <r00t^home> i'm not, your argument is invalid
May 30 00:59:28 * DocScrutinizer05 fetches the final ultimate argument from freezer
May 30 01:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> probably 50% doesn't even freeze in *my* freezer
May 30 01:00:21 <r00t^home> wouldn't the "ultimate argument" be pure ethanol?
May 30 01:00:25 <r00t^home> i was about to ask about that
May 30 01:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> the usual 41% does
May 30 01:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch, that's a cold bottle
May 30 01:01:21 <r00t^home> i have a bottle of pure ethanol around... but i don't drink that stuff in any (measurable) concentration
May 30 01:01:26 <robbiethe1st> Well, take that freezer, replace the gas with propane, whack off the temperature control and /freeze/ that sucker!
May 30 01:02:29 <DocScrutinizer05> that's a propane fridge
May 30 01:03:05 <robbiethe1st> I guess it is... but propane fridges usually burn propane to evaporate amonia, not use it for compression/expansion
May 30 01:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> we're not allowed to use flour chloride hydrocarbon anymore
May 30 01:03:17 <robbiethe1st> (which will give you -40F at least)
May 30 01:03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> fluor*
May 30 01:03:47 <robbiethe1st> None of em? Not even R134A?
May 30 01:03:53 <r00t^home> flour would be an interesting working fluid for a freezer ;)
May 30 01:03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> none
May 30 01:04:22 <DocScrutinizer05> >YAY
May 30 01:04:23 <robbiethe1st> so you guys use propane as a working fluid then?
May 30 01:04:35 <DocScrutinizer05> small ice spice... ONE
May 30 01:04:44 <robbiethe1st> They refuse to let us americans use it
May 30 01:04:45 <DocScrutinizer05> spike
May 30 01:04:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and a tad oily
May 30 01:04:52 <robbiethe1st> (it's too cheap, for one)
May 30 01:05:10 <DocScrutinizer05> robbiethe1st: yep
May 30 01:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> *cough* strong stuff
May 30 01:06:10 <DocScrutinizer05> but still tasty
May 30 01:06:39 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe the black bottle turns white
May 30 01:06:52 <robbiethe1st> (I'll point out - I added some extra propane to my aging R-12 AC system in my truck, and it went from barely cooling to easily /freezing/.
May 30 01:07:16 <robbiethe1st> (truck's 25 years old, so...)
May 30 01:07:17 <DocScrutinizer05> watch out for the seals
May 30 01:07:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and system pressure
May 30 01:07:46 <raid__> ok bbl
May 30 01:08:37 <DocScrutinizer05> raid__: seeya
May 30 01:09:24 <robbiethe1st> Yeah, I checked.
May 30 01:09:45 <robbiethe1st> It's been holding pressure for about a year now, and nothings failed yet, so...
May 30 01:09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds good
May 30 01:10:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I once had a car they changed to R134A
May 30 01:10:23 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
May 30 01:10:30 <robbiethe1st> didn't cool very well>
May 30 01:10:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the shit been, you had to refill every 6 months
May 30 01:10:51 <robbiethe1st> wow
May 30 01:11:46 <robbiethe1st> I looked at converting, but in order to do so I'd have had to drain my system, and then get new r134a etc. Like a $200 process. On the other hand, a $10 ebay hose and $.05 worth of commodity propane from a barbecue bottle...
May 30 01:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, ammonia fridges. cool shit
May 30 01:12:08 <robbiethe1st> Ammonia fridges are cool, yes
May 30 01:12:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the hotter it is, the better they work
May 30 01:12:26 <DocScrutinizer05> and can operate from candle
May 30 01:12:41 <DocScrutinizer05> absorber
May 30 01:12:43 <robbiethe1st> The hotter the whole loop is, or the hotter the flame is?
May 30 01:13:46 <DocScrutinizer05> my dad told me the hotter the weather, the better those *huge* absorber fridges that cooled the morgue in hospital work
May 30 01:14:02 <robbiethe1st> huh
May 30 01:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> and he's been an enginieer (surprise surprise)
May 30 01:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> not exactly fridge engineer
May 30 01:16:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but responsible for all technical stuff in our town
May 30 01:17:03 <robbiethe1st> cool
May 30 01:17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator
May 30 01:17:28 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe it has sth
May 30 01:18:10 * ShadowJK wonders what kind of coolant his '99 toyota would have
May 30 01:18:28 <ShadowJK> and if they'd put something crappier in it if I had the AC serviced
May 30 01:22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> 99? probably already one of the excempt FCKW
May 30 01:23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> FKW, fluoride hydrocarbon
May 30 01:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what's the US TLA for FCKW
May 30 01:24:40 <DocScrutinizer05> F Cl C H
May 30 01:24:46 <ShadowJK> do they refull with original or what
May 30 01:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> no, not anymore (except in Poland ;-P)
May 30 01:26:23 <DocScrutinizer05> FClCH are forbidden worldwide. Nobody except some rogue chinese produce it anymore
May 30 01:27:14 <DocScrutinizer05> not even in fire extinguishers you may use it anymore
May 30 01:29:01 <ShadowJK> hm
May 30 01:29:20 <ShadowJK> guess i'll just wait for it to not work anymore
May 30 01:30:21 <r00t^home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon => CFC, or Hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs)
May 30 01:31:56 <DocScrutinizer05> Chlorofluorocarbon /CFC/
May 30 01:31:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
May 30 01:32:34 <r00t^home> well, that's without the hydrogen, so HCFCs would be closer
May 30 01:32:41 <robbiethe1st> wait, 99... probably R134A.
May 30 01:32:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 30 01:33:11 <robbiethe1st> which you can get in the US, it's the 'favorite' refridgerant... probably because a big chemical company has patent control over it
May 30 01:33:32 <DocScrutinizer05> again yep
May 30 01:33:48 <DocScrutinizer05> while it's as nasty as any other hcfc
May 30 01:34:00 <robbiethe1st> As soon as that patent is about to expire, R134A will be found to be the most nasty thing on the planet and banned
May 30 01:34:06 <robbiethe1st> Just like R12 was
May 30 01:34:15 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 30 01:34:24 * robbiethe1st is cynical, I guess
May 30 01:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> no, just the truth
May 30 01:35:34 <robbiethe1st> It's frigging sad and annoying
May 30 01:35:36 <robbiethe1st> oh well
May 30 01:35:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and unlike the old HCFCs I heard it's prducing HF (acid) when car burns
May 30 01:36:07 <robbiethe1st> Oh, probably.
May 30 01:36:53 <DocScrutinizer05> which takes your face and runs, if you're still in the car
May 30 01:37:12 <DocScrutinizer05> nad kills your lung for good
May 30 01:37:17 <DocScrutinizer05> and*
May 30 01:37:19 <robbiethe1st> Instead of propane/butane , which burns cleanly, has a narrow flammability range, and is an excellent coolant
May 30 01:37:30 <robbiethe1st> but is too cheap and isn't patentable
May 30 01:37:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 30 01:40:02 <DocScrutinizer05> a few car manufs changed to propane already, for the safety
May 30 01:40:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I think mercedes/daimler did
May 30 01:41:02 <robbiethe1st> Good for them
May 30 01:41:05 <DocScrutinizer05> coszs 50 bucks more
May 30 01:41:12 <DocScrutinizer05> costs
May 30 01:41:50 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno why
May 30 01:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> seals
May 30 01:42:28 <DocScrutinizer05> or general system pressure
May 30 01:43:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ohshit, dis warning on www
May 30 01:43:39 <DocScrutinizer05> disk (space)
May 30 01:43:57 <DocScrutinizer05> *yawn*
May 30 01:44:00 <r00t^home> um... now flasher-3.5 won't talk to my device anymore... (yes, i'm plugging in usb with 'u' held down...) it just says "NOLO version 1.4.14" "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" "Booting device into flash mode." .. but then the phone reboots normally
May 30 01:44:27 <DocScrutinizer05> low bat
May 30 01:45:13 <r00t^home> um... now flasher-3.5 won't talk to my device anymore... (yes, i'm plugging in usb with 'u' held down...) it just says "NOLO version 1.4.14" "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" "Booting device into flash mode." .. but then the phone reboots normally
May 30 01:45:16 <r00t^home> sorry
May 30 01:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> n8
May 30 01:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
May 30 01:46:21 <r00t^home> tried two other batteries, same result...
May 30 01:48:43 <DocScrutinizer05> nasty
May 30 01:48:52 <DocScrutinizer05> CAL problem
May 30 01:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> coldflash might help
May 30 01:49:56 <DocScrutinizer05> but I recommend till sb less tired ahd a look at it
May 30 01:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> s/till/to wait till/
May 30 01:50:13 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: but I recommend to wait till sb less tired ahd a look at it
May 30 01:51:28 <r00t^home> is that behaviour really caused by the battery being low?
May 30 01:51:42 <r00t^home> i guess i'll leave it charging for a while and see if that makes the battery controller happy
May 30 01:51:44 <DocScrutinizer05> we added 10GB to www, lasted almost a month
May 30 01:52:17 <r00t^home> (getting erratic battery status display is no surprise when switching batteries all the time)
May 30 01:52:22 <DocScrutinizer05> forget it. a borked system won't charge
May 30 01:52:28 <raid__> i'm installing iptables. i hope it works
May 30 01:53:02 <raid__> woohoo
May 30 01:53:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and refusal to flash due to low bat is based on voltage only, no impact from swapping
May 30 01:53:33 <r00t^home> it does boot up fine... just that the image i flashed last pulls a watchdog reboot(?) shortly after reaching the desktop
May 30 01:53:46 <r00t^home> i need to re-flash the broken /home
May 30 01:54:12 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, too late here
May 30 01:54:20 <r00t^home> yeah, 4am here too
May 30 01:54:22 <r00t^home> night
May 30 01:55:28 <raid__> where do you store your root bin files so as not to lose them? /usr/bin is the standard location, but you could lose them there
May 30 01:56:04 <r00t^home> define "lose"? under what condition? re-flashing or what?
May 30 01:56:32 <raid__> well, that, and you could just forget you made them
May 30 01:57:06 <raid__> or what you called them
May 30 01:57:31 <r00t^home> so you want a special directory for your custom binaries?
May 30 01:58:46 <raid__> i already do, but i'm not sure it's the best practice
May 30 01:58:51 <raid__> where do you put yours
May 30 01:59:09 <r00t^home> usr/bin
May 30 01:59:44 <r00t^home> usr/local/bin would be more appropriate, but iirc it didn't already exist, so probably isn't in $PATH either
May 30 02:00:32 <raid__> if you put them in /usr/bin how do you back them up
May 30 02:00:45 <r00t^home> i just lost then when i had to re-flash
May 30 02:00:52 <raid__> lol
May 30 02:01:04 <r00t^home> i was working on setting up backups, but fs corruption was faster
May 30 02:01:14 <r00t^home> *them
May 30 02:01:27 <raid__> can i interest you in a custom bin directory, lol
May 30 02:03:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
May 30 02:04:00 <infobot> it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
May 30 02:04:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and /usr/local/* FTW
May 30 02:04:47 <r00t^home> i had a perfectly working backupmenu on my old n900 that broke completely... but haven't managed to get that back since, because every single document on installing it seems to be outdated
May 30 02:05:08 <raid__> the problem i have with /usr/local/bin, is some programs install themselves there, especially when compiled from source
May 30 02:05:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and ~/bin for thwe totally exotic stuff
May 30 02:05:55 <raid__> that's where i put my user scripts, but not sure if i should put root scrips there
May 30 02:06:00 <DocScrutinizer05> installing bm?
May 30 02:06:05 <DocScrutinizer05> use HAM
May 30 02:06:14 <r00t^home> DocScrutinizer05: the cold flashing seems to be working
May 30 02:10:52 <r00t^home> raid__: programs installing in usr/local when built from source - is the whole point of the thing!
May 30 02:13:47 <raid__> sort of. it's purpose has been changed since it first became an official path
May 30 02:14:17 <r00t^home> usr/local = stuff not from distro... makes sense, no?
May 30 02:15:01 <raid__> that's what it's used for now, but that doesn't help me. i don't want to back up third party software that i can just download later
May 30 02:15:18 <r00t^home> download and compile
May 30 02:15:28 <raid__> i need a place for my squishy scripts that are easily lost forever
May 30 02:15:55 <robbiethe1st> Maemo Wiki!
May 30 02:16:05 <raid__> robbiethe1st: good answer!
May 30 02:16:22 <raid__> unfortunately, they're not all worth publishing online
May 30 02:16:33 <raid__> too proprietary
May 30 02:18:53 <raid__> ~/bin is probably the best place
May 30 02:18:54 <infobot> ...but /bin is already something else...
May 30 02:19:13 <raid__> i'll just have to make sure i set permissions
May 30 02:23:47 <raid__> hmm, the iptables rules i use on my desktop aren't working on the n900
May 30 02:24:04 <raid__> they're blocking everything
May 30 02:24:31 <raid__> iptables --policy INPUT DROP
May 30 02:24:36 <raid__> iptables --policy FORWARD DROP
May 30 02:24:39 <r00t^home> but loaded without errors? and don't make assumptions about network device names/networks?
May 30 02:24:46 <raid__> iptables --policy OUTPUT ACCEPT
May 30 02:24:52 <raid__> iptables --append INPUT --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED --jump ACCEPT
May 30 02:24:57 <raid__> iptables --append INPUT --jump REJECT
May 30 02:25:01 <raid__> iptables --append FORWARD --jump REJECT
May 30 02:25:18 <raid__> yeah, it just blocks all traffic
May 30 02:25:35 <raid__> can't visit webpages or download with apt-get
May 30 02:43:27 <LouisDK> Hi. how would you consider using n810 as an internet tablet today? what do you think about the pda?
May 30 02:50:24 <robbiethe1st> N900's far better
May 30 02:50:31 <robbiethe1st> It's a nice device, if slow
May 30 02:50:38 <robbiethe1st> N810 and older just aren't up to snuff
May 30 02:50:58 <GI_Jack> I have a hard time using the n900 as an internet tablet
May 30 02:51:15 <robbiethe1st> screen size?
May 30 02:51:20 <GI_Jack> no
May 30 02:51:26 <GI_Jack> lack of CPU oomph
May 30 02:51:30 <GI_Jack> flash 9.1 no gnash
May 30 02:51:33 <robbiethe1st> N810 is far slower
May 30 02:51:42 <GI_Jack> won't run modern version of fennec
May 30 02:51:51 <robbiethe1st> I'd go with a Nexus 7, and bluetooth keyboard.
May 30 02:51:59 <GI_Jack> there is a flash 10.1 port but its unsuably slow
May 30 02:52:21 <GI_Jack> I'm getting the new Jolla mobile phone when it comes out if I have to kill someone
May 30 02:52:22 <robbiethe1st> They've got these cool keyboards which have a angle slot so you can have it open like a laptop, or fold it shut clamshell style
May 30 02:52:47 <GI_Jack> the n900 is showing its age, its UI is sluggish, apps take too long to load
May 30 02:52:50 <GI_Jack> its clumbsy
May 30 02:52:59 <GI_Jack> the accelerometer plain old sucks
May 30 02:53:08 <robbiethe1st> Use CSSU, OC it to 1ghz...
May 30 02:53:21 <robbiethe1st> some tweaks you can do to seriously improve it
May 30 02:53:25 <GI_Jack> I do use the CSSU
May 30 02:53:51 <GI_Jack> my n900 is my daily phone, I don't overclock because I need it to hang on and probably can't easily replace it
May 30 02:53:59 <GI_Jack> I've brought it back from the dead 3 times already
May 30 02:54:13 <GI_Jack> with the infamous "all telephony connections are disabled error"
May 30 02:54:35 <GI_Jack> with a mix of stainless steel springs cut carefuly to specific heights, super glue and liquid rubber
May 30 02:54:44 <robbiethe1st> Ebay/
May 30 02:54:49 <robbiethe1st> You can buy em cheap
May 30 02:55:21 <GI_Jack> the phone gets hot enough as is, I don't really how much more juice your going to squeeze by OC
May 30 02:55:43 <GI_Jack> except reduce the service life, I have no idea what kind of thermal profile the case and cooling is rated for
May 30 02:56:03 <GI_Jack> even if that CPU has been clocked as high as 1.1 GHz in other solutions
May 30 02:57:16 <robbiethe1st> I've clocked mine to 950mhz, and it'll not get too hot even when maxed out for over an hour
May 30 02:57:31 <robbiethe1st> at 1ghz, mine starts feeling way too hot if maxed out
May 30 02:58:20 <robbiethe1st> I've run mine for over a year now at 125/900mhz, hasn't fried yet. This is my second device, though - first has USB fall out and I couldn't fix it
May 30 02:58:28 <GI_Jack> and every CPU is diffrent because of flaws in the silicone, all we know is that they all passed QA at 600mhz
May 30 02:58:38 <GI_Jack> others in the batch passed higher, and we know the design is capable
May 30 02:58:50 <robbiethe1st> that one ran for over a ear OC'd at the same. voltages adjusted to make it stable on both
May 30 02:59:11 <GI_Jack> but we also know that a 600MHz CPU could have easily failed 800MHz, been clocked down, passed QA and shipped with a 600mhz label
May 30 02:59:21 <GI_Jack> this is routinely done industry
May 30 02:59:35 <robbiethe1st> Yes, but typically, it's failed 800mhz at some voltage
May 30 02:59:43 <robbiethe1st> give it a little more juice and it'll easily pass it
May 30 02:59:54 <GI_Jack> more juice is more heat
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