**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 02 02:59:58 2013 Jun 02 09:09:44 good morning Jun 02 11:39:53 A wonderful splendid Sunday to You all! Jun 02 13:16:10 moinmoin Jun 02 13:16:25 Morning Jun 02 13:16:30 Hi. Jun 02 13:16:50 moin Jun 02 13:17:41 was just about to report that m.o is extreeemly slow, but right now it's very snappy again Jun 02 13:23:54 yeah, it's quite changing. Nagios already tagged the www port80 service as "CRITICAL flapping" Jun 02 13:25:09 ganglia even had a stall for quite a time, until I restarted it Jun 02 13:25:45 strange enough load is pretty low, but general traffic on whole system is really high Jun 02 13:26:16 or rather been Jun 02 13:26:50 what's the difference in load/general traffic? Jun 02 13:26:59 the (probably mirroring) attacker anyway seems has finished his maxing out of upling some 10min ago Jun 02 13:27:29 load is CPU, traffic is tcp Jun 02 13:27:38 simplified explanation Jun 02 13:27:40 ok Jun 02 13:28:00 s/tcp/ethernet/ Jun 02 13:28:58 THEHECK! ganglia on www down again Jun 02 13:29:27 monitor.m.o if you're interested Jun 02 13:32:50 that guy uploadedß Jun 02 13:32:54 ? Jun 02 13:38:37 well, no. MRTG shows that uplink just sent to internet with 100Mbps Jun 02 13:38:43 rcv been low Jun 02 13:39:03 that means somebody downloaded stuff, not uploaded Jun 02 13:39:37 but that seems not the root cause of www lags, nor of ganglia daemon lockups Jun 02 13:41:22 http: //monitor . maemo . org/ganglia/?r=4hr&cs=&ce=&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS actually Network on www been pretty low Jun 02 13:47:23 phew... no idea Jun 02 13:48:50 xes tuned www apache parameters quite a bit during last 2 days, since on friday the poor VM been really crying Jun 02 13:49:16 OOM kicked processes like mad, due to apached processes hogging all RAM Jun 02 13:50:39 so we reduced resources allocated to apache _drastically_ which seems to have helped cure the RAM hogging ( http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1369975318&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo ) but also seems to have reduced the responsiveness way more than we expected Jun 02 13:55:57 probably tweak the values again less conservative? Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help. Jun 02 13:56:42 we still see those bursts every morning 6:00 http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www&m=mem_report&r=custom&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&cs=6%2F1%2F2013%205%3A29&ce=6%2F1%2F2013%2011%3A21 Jun 02 13:57:38 http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=custom&cs=06%2F02%2F2013+05%3A29+&ce=06%2F02%2F2013+11%3A21+&c=maemo&h=www&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=ALLGROUPS Jun 02 13:58:48 but those might be our well-hated cronjobs, we will give more resources to apache nevertheless Jun 02 13:59:41 our approach been to cut down resources for apache radically and observe for the weekend, then evaluate and re-adjust based on our findings Jun 02 14:02:30 great, I'm an idiot posting the ganglia URLs here Jun 02 14:10:03 ((Hopefully somebody with better knowledge can help.)) I think our knowledge is sufficient, it's just our historical data that's sparse, to base the optimal settings for apache on Jun 02 14:10:23 thanks nevertheless for trusting in your techstaff team :-D Jun 02 14:10:40 ;-) Jun 02 14:11:44 another 32GB of RAM would do wonders I bet Jun 02 14:14:10 a 64GB ram total for THREE blades would be a dream Jun 02 14:16:00 and another 2TB storage on skeiron also could help take out some pressure Jun 02 14:16:11 another 32GB of RAM - how much $ would that be? Jun 02 14:16:39 * DocScrutinizer05 knew this question would come up Jun 02 14:17:15 can we afford it with some donations? Jun 02 14:17:20 a few hundred Jun 02 14:18:10 I can't find the invoice/specs-sheet/order for the supermicro right now Jun 02 14:18:16 Thank god RAM is pretty cheap per GB these days. Jun 02 14:19:12 Raimu: it's probably 32GB of ECC RAM Jun 02 14:19:21 yep, not that expensive Jun 02 14:19:50 DocScrutinizer05: how many GB per DIMM needed to get 32GB on the server? Jun 02 14:19:53 http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm Jun 02 14:20:04 4GB RDIMM is peanuts Jun 02 14:20:22 http://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/2u/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF.cfm?parts=SHOW Jun 02 14:20:52 > >2. Up to 256GB DDR3 1600MHz ECC Registered DIMM; 8x DIMM sockets<< Jun 02 14:21:01 how many of them are populated? Jun 02 14:21:12 err, one or two Jun 02 14:21:41 that's the problem, per blade we have two slots iirc Jun 02 14:22:17 err nope Jun 02 14:22:23 http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm Jun 02 14:23:03 each such blade consist of two systems Jun 02 14:23:31 DocScrutinizer05: interesting, that's a two-node blade? Jun 02 14:23:36 we got 4 blades = 8 potential systems, of which two (blade-a, blade-b) are populated Jun 02 14:23:53 I thought it was a dual-socket node. Jun 02 14:23:54 rikanee: yes Jun 02 14:24:48 well, I thought we have two separate systems on each blade. Might however also be dual-socket system per blade Jun 02 14:25:32 DocScrutinizer05: so each node has 2x2GB DDR3 RDIMM? Jun 02 14:25:50 ugh? no Jun 02 14:25:58 each blade has 32GB Jun 02 14:26:19 I *think* in 2 SIMM a 16GB Jun 02 14:26:40 ah, so 2x8GB per node, making 32GB/blade. Jun 02 14:26:55 no Jun 02 14:27:19 1x16GB per node x2? Jun 02 14:27:19 we have one processor and 2*16GB, on two physical blades Jun 02 14:27:26 ouch! Jun 02 14:27:34 ouch? Jun 02 14:27:36 16GB DIMMs are /expensive/ Jun 02 14:27:57 toldya, a frw hundred Jun 02 14:28:01 few* Jun 02 14:28:03 (to match them for dual-channel operation, of course) Jun 02 14:29:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Operational_Platform Jun 02 14:29:49 from specs: "Support ECC and non-ECC UDIMMs" Jun 02 14:30:08 Win7Mac: running UDIMM on a server is a no-no Jun 02 14:31:00 ah ok Jun 02 14:33:09 * rikanee reminds myself that I will never, ever be able to bump against my processor's 144GB RAM limit Jun 02 14:37:49 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png <- server component list Jun 02 14:38:33 so 8 * 8GB Jun 02 14:38:45 4 per blade Jun 02 14:40:57 DocScrutinizer05, should I do a Twitter plug? "A new blade for maemo.org was discussed in the last council meeting, hit DocScrutinizer's PayPal if you'd like to help out." Or something <140 chars. Jun 02 14:42:04 GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't mind, though I honestly think HiFo shall pay it, they already gathered >4000bucks Jun 02 14:42:37 the birdseed for populating a third blade is ~1000EUR IIRC Jun 02 14:42:49 plus HDD? Jun 02 14:43:00 For replenishing the 4k, then. Jun 02 14:43:22 you're free to amazon/ebay/google the components according to http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png Jun 02 14:44:11 8x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM sockets Jun 02 14:44:20 so RAM can't be added but has to be replaced by 16GB modules because all slots already in use? Jun 02 14:44:20 Supports up to 256 GB DDR3 ECC Registered memory (RDIMM) Jun 02 14:44:28 Supports up to 64 GB DDR3 ECC/non-ECC Un-Buffered memory (UDIMM) Jun 02 14:44:52 Win7Mac: still to be evaluated Jun 02 14:45:23 DocScrutinizer05: you'll have to make sure timing/latency and ranking is the same too Jun 02 14:45:27 having only one CPU populated might restrict DIMM slot usage to 4 of the 8 Jun 02 14:46:02 rikanee: there's a comprehensive memory population guide in the blades' UM Jun 02 14:46:19 I'm just too lazy to read it right now Jun 02 14:46:43 I only specs, but what RAM models actually in use? Jun 02 14:46:53 i *see Jun 02 14:47:27 rikanee: anyway, you're absolutely right Jun 02 14:47:30 thanks Jun 02 14:47:32 OK: https://twitter.com/GeneralAntilles/status/341204117290631171 Jun 02 14:47:53 Win7Mac: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/02/plasma-desktopVf3743.png Jun 02 14:48:23 PC3-12800 Jun 02 14:48:36 PC3-12800R CL11 Jun 02 14:49:48 in order to add RAM we'd have to know what exactly is place now, maker/model Jun 02 14:49:51 no idea about the brand Jun 02 14:50:26 I don't think that's generally true, just for same bank Jun 02 14:50:39 DocScrutinizer05: apparently, the Xeon E5 can't do PC3-12800 on factory dividers, so you can save some cash by buying PC3-10600 instead Jun 02 14:50:40 or channel, or whatever Jun 02 14:52:05 rikanee: I'd like to go with http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/mem.cfm Jun 02 14:52:38 and http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/X9_DP_memory_config.pdf Jun 02 14:53:45 Oh, supermicro Jun 02 14:53:52 Takes me back Jun 02 14:54:14 so there should be 4 slots available Jun 02 14:58:46 http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=ramddr3regecc&sort=p&v=e&xf=254_1600~440_registered+ECC~1454_8192~253_32768#xf_top Jun 02 14:59:11 in case they match Jun 02 15:04:05 hmm yup, ~300bucks per 32GB sounds correct Jun 02 15:05:00 ((so there should be 4 slots available)) still unclear, might need a 2nd CPU on the blade to use them Jun 02 15:05:13 but yes, 4 are free Jun 02 15:05:32 4 are used by 4 * 8GB Jun 02 15:08:09 supermicro certifies for hynix, samsung, and micron: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1®=1&fbd=0 Jun 02 15:08:58 for 4GB modules: http://www.supermicro.nl/support/resources/memory/display.cfm?sz=4.0&mspd=1.6&mtyp=44&id=EC81948532EA8BE7088BA17CAAA244F4&prid=82621&type=DDR3&ecc=1®=1&fbd=0 Jun 02 15:11:10 if you're lucky it's the samsungs: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b5273dh0-ck0-m393b5273dh0-ck0.html Jun 02 15:14:48 nope, those: http://www.server-ram.de/ddr3-ram/samsung-m393b1k70dh0-yh9-m393b1k70dh0-yh9.html Jun 02 15:16:18 sure? they are Low Voltage only Jun 02 15:16:44 yeah Jun 02 15:16:55 gooood ;-) Jun 02 15:17:39 M393B1K70DH0-CK0 Jun 02 15:17:44 we need Jun 02 15:18:43 populated with K4B2G0446D-HCK0 Jun 02 15:19:35 or M393B2G70BH0-CK0 16GB modules ;-) Jun 02 15:20:39 "yeah" wasn't "yeah, i'm sure" but "yeah, you're right, those are low voltage and probably the wrong ones" Jun 02 15:22:11 when you buy, make sure it's a kit or they have serials in a row Jun 02 15:22:33 :nod: Jun 02 15:22:40 usually that's given Jun 02 15:39:04 hey guys Jun 02 15:39:10 have a lil question, Jun 02 15:39:31 i wanted tu put a user on ignore, i used /ignore nick ALL Jun 02 15:39:43 but when they change nick they get unignored, Jun 02 15:39:54 on xchat that is Jun 02 15:39:56 well, that's irc Jun 02 15:40:01 can i ignore on ident Jun 02 15:40:04 or ip Jun 02 15:40:10 probably Jun 02 15:40:39 nick!user@hostmask Jun 02 15:40:46 wildcard allowed Jun 02 15:41:53 ignore DocScrutinizer*, or *!joerg_rw@*, or *!*@openmoko/* Jun 02 15:42:07 /hois DocScrutinizer05 Jun 02 15:42:12 /whois DocScrutinizer05 Jun 02 15:42:14 even Jun 02 15:42:31 btw Jun 02 15:42:42 why r 2 of you here Jun 02 15:42:46 05 and 51 Jun 02 15:42:54 other is some bot of yours? Jun 02 15:43:09 because I have up to 5 clients running, one of them _not_ via a bouncer Jun 02 15:43:37 since, sometimes the bouncer (ZNC) also might get disconnected Jun 02 15:44:16 i see Jun 02 15:44:22 testing .. Jun 02 16:50:40 rebooting www.maemo.org! Jun 02 17:03:27 GeneralAntilles: thanks Jun 02 17:06:57 I'm editing a post in TMO Jun 02 17:07:01 and the changes doesn't get saved? Jun 02 17:07:45 the "Title" of the post specifically Jun 02 17:09:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1215209#post1215209 <-- trying to change the verrsion number to 0.0.34 and I just can't :( Jun 02 17:53:53 anybody could confirm/proofread a upstart script for me? Jun 02 17:53:56 http://privatepaste.com/d031ce5acb Jun 02 18:16:41 Any wordpress talents around? - I'm having trouble finding the right combination of html5 video-player and -gallery/lightbox Jun 02 19:12:03 hi Jun 02 19:12:13 damn my n900 screen got broken Jun 02 19:12:17 my fault.. Jun 02 19:12:41 where do you recommend to buy new one? Jun 02 19:23:32 Vibe: ebay? :P Jun 02 19:42:44 yea like this :p -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/original-Nokia-N900-LC-Display-LCD-Display-Screen-NEU-/171035513694?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27d282d35e Jun 02 20:03:38 incredibly good offer Jun 02 20:03:56 consider to get a new digitizer as well Jun 02 20:04:06 aka touchpanel Jun 02 20:05:26 wait, "Idealer Ersatz für jedes zerkratzte oder defekte Display"??? When that's the LCD then it hardly ever gets scratched Jun 02 20:05:58 when it's the digitizer (which gets scratched) then it's probably not what's broken for you Jun 02 20:10:49 Vibe: rather consider this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Nokia-Display-Touch-Screen-Reparatur-N900-NEU-/160423716971?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item2559ffa86b Jun 02 20:30:59 hmmm Jun 02 20:31:29 its looking like this in the beginning, different colors on the screen -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ81cahD1c Jun 02 20:32:53 touchscreen worked after colors came, but couldn't see properly after while Jun 02 22:02:55 does anyone know or may point me to docs, what does it mean 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc Jun 02 22:02:58 sry Jun 02 22:03:22 does anyone know or may point me to docs, what does '2maemo8+0m5' mean in packages' name? Jun 02 22:08:58 * Win7Mac wonders if there's a list of factoids known to infobot similar to this?: http://codex.wordpress.org/IRC/wp-doc-bot Jun 02 22:34:05 Win7Mac: 140k Jun 02 22:34:08 ~+status Jun 02 22:34:16 *cough* Jun 02 22:34:22 what a bitch ;-P Jun 02 22:34:29 LOL Jun 02 22:34:49 ~list Jun 02 22:35:06 ~+list Jun 02 22:35:42 is there such a list online available? Jun 02 22:37:09 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 02 22:37:20 ~+status Jun 02 22:37:22 Since Sun Jun 2 22:36:29 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 51s this session, and currently reference 119066 factoids. I'm using about 18320 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.62/0.1 child 0/0 Jun 02 22:37:31 119k sorry Jun 02 22:38:17 and no, such list doesn't exist Jun 02 22:38:27 ~listkeys factoid Jun 02 22:38:30 Factoid search of 'factoid' by key (16 of 30): factoid bigdog ;; factoids: x ;; factoids ;; testfactoid ;; $factoid ;; imagine a factoid ;; factoid clue ;; factoid_char-major-6 ;; make a factoid ;; newfactoid ;; my factoid ;; setting factoids: x ;; factoid war ;; plural factoids ;; kopete's factoid ;; cmd: dpkg factoid (.*?). Jun 02 22:39:12 LOL factoid war... Jun 02 22:39:21 hm? Jun 02 22:39:33 ^^ Jun 02 22:40:17 ~+help listkeys Jun 02 22:40:17 Desc: Search the factoid database by key (factoid) Jun 02 22:40:17 Usage: listkeys Jun 02 22:40:18 Example: listkeys infobot Jun 02 22:40:32 REGEX??? :-o Jun 02 22:40:58 ~listkeys fa..oid Jun 02 22:41:00 Factoid search of 'fa..oid' by key returned no results. Jun 02 22:41:09 ~listkeys fa.*oid Jun 02 22:41:11 Factoid search of 'fa.*oid' by key returned no results. 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Jun 02 22:41:28 rather shell patterns Jun 02 22:41:51 ...just to impress the guys in the #worpress channel ;-) This is so poor in relation: http://codex.wordpress.org/IRC/wp-doc-bot Jun 02 23:06:36 ~inapparopriate factoid foobar Jun 02 23:06:38 YOU GOT THE WRONG FACTOID, foobar Jun 02 23:07:02 *yawn* Jun 02 23:07:19 ~dice 15d8 Jun 02 23:07:21 rolled 3,3,7,6,6,7,7,7,1,4,8,8,7,2,6 = 82 Jun 02 23:09:38 #wordpress-bot would be jealous, if she read all this ;-) Jun 02 23:17:01 ~wiki wordpress Jun 02 23:17:06 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordpress (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{about|the blogging software|the blog host|WordPress.com}} {{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox software | name = WordPress | logo = | screenshot = | caption = WordPress Dashboard | collapsible = yes | developer = WordPress Foundation | status = Active | released = {{start date|2003|05|27}} | latest release version = 3.5.1 | latest release date = {{start date and age|2013|01|24}}{{cite web ... Jun 02 23:17:45 ~spell wordpress Jun 02 23:17:47 possible spellings for wordpress: word press word-press wardress depress wardress's waitress woodpiles woodpile's wordplay's Woodrow's verdure's Jun 02 23:18:18 haha Jun 02 23:18:41 I see you prefer midgard ;-) Jun 02 23:19:08 I prefer assembler Jun 02 23:22:34 [00:34] Win7Mac: WordPress 3.5 has been downloaded 21,814,719 times Jun 02 23:24:44 the good thing about next release 3.6 (~in 4 weeks) is, it will have Audio/Video support in Core: http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/04/08/audio-video-support-in-core/ Jun 02 23:24:53 one of them been to my box, where my sysop installed that crap for his wife, and then I had the hassle with the vulnerabilities since he didn't maintain and update it (if that was even a possibility) Jun 02 23:25:26 WordPress is a big ole security hole. Jun 02 23:25:40 indeed Jun 02 23:25:41 Given their install base, it's no surprise, though. Jun 02 23:25:55 I cured it with fire, err radical apt meant Jun 02 23:26:20 s/meant/means/ Jun 02 23:26:21 DocScrutinizer05 meant: I cured it with fire, err radical apt means Jun 02 23:26:30 Listening to bergie rant about it is entertaining. Jun 02 23:27:03 I bet it is Jun 02 23:27:33 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if bergie would find it interesting to hear DocScrutinizer05 rant about midgard ;-P Jun 02 23:27:44 who would have interest in hacking my site besides guys like you :p Jun 02 23:27:53 HAH! Jun 02 23:28:36 i have one IP trying to register but he fails since weeks Jun 02 23:28:55 there's plugins for that Jun 02 23:29:01 every script kiddie entry level bot kit nowadays comes with a "conquer the world by automatically owning all WP boxen you can get hold of" Jun 02 23:30:22 you're telling that ~22 million sites/admins are at risk? Jun 02 23:31:04 no. Probably 21.5 mio are already owned and thus safe from further attacks ;-P Jun 02 23:31:37 ROTFL... why? Jun 02 23:32:05 theres plugins for that and no _major_ complaints so far Jun 02 23:32:08 DocScrutinizer05, what blade enclosure are we using, by the way? Jun 02 23:32:20 besides weak PWs Jun 02 23:32:23 because those crackers are actually pretty good to defend their booty against other blackhats Jun 02 23:32:37 WordPress's problem is that you have to update it regularly to keep it secure. Jun 02 23:32:42 It's fine if it's updated regularly. Jun 02 23:33:16 it is, though 3.6 is over-due Jun 02 23:34:17 GeneralAntilles: http://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/2u/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF.cfm?parts=SHOW Jun 02 23:34:52 Currently 2/4 filled? Jun 02 23:35:02 all 4 filled Jun 02 23:35:19 but only 2 sockets populated, on 2 bladed each 1 Jun 02 23:36:03 so we have two blades with one CPU and 2 with 0 CPU Jun 02 23:36:10 Ahhh, OK. Jun 02 23:36:27 Each blade is dual socket? Jun 02 23:36:31 :nod: Jun 02 23:36:42 whats the point of a blade w/o cpu? Jun 02 23:36:50 Room for expansion? Jun 02 23:36:59 well ok... Jun 02 23:37:17 spae parts ;-P Jun 02 23:37:22 Better answer Jun 02 23:37:22 spare even Jun 02 23:37:26 ok :) Jun 02 23:37:37 Since buying the empty boards ahead seems wasteful. Jun 02 23:38:08 you might need them for thermal concept of enclosure Jun 02 23:38:17 dunno Jun 02 23:38:25 Random interest for the room: Vision for maemo.org in 1 year? 5 years? Jun 02 23:38:45 1 year: much like now Jun 02 23:38:59 5 yeras: almost forgotten Jun 02 23:39:39 and that out of your kb... Jun 02 23:40:28 DocScrutinizer05, Jolla doesn't seem inclined towards managing a user/dev community for itself. Jun 02 23:40:29 like this one: http://apt.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ Jun 02 23:40:54 I wonder if maemo.org might act as an Internet Tablet Talk for modern open source mobile platforms. Jun 02 23:41:20 we started that motion last week iirc Jun 02 23:41:22 (obviously that growth would have to be largely organic) Jun 02 23:41:30 LOL.. Jun 02 23:41:48 That does not require any particularly agreement or cooperation from Jolla. Jun 02 23:42:08 seem some Ryan Abel guy in MWKN wrote about new forums in tmo Jun 02 23:42:11 Reggie's always been very much JFDI with his web forum endeavors. Jun 02 23:42:20 That guy. Jun 02 23:43:06 GA, +1 on jolla. we'll see! Jun 02 23:43:07 ~wtf jfdi Jun 02 23:43:09 Gee... I don't know what jfdi means... Jun 02 23:43:15 Just Fucking Do It Jun 02 23:43:15 ~jfdi Jun 02 23:43:21 Ge... ;-9 Jun 02 23:43:28 ~jfdi is Just Fucking Do It Jun 02 23:43:28 DocScrutinizer05: please, watch your language. Jun 02 23:43:37 you bitch!! Jun 02 23:43:41 ~$50 Jun 02 23:43:45 ~50 Jun 02 23:43:45 somebody said 50 was still quite common Jun 02 23:44:11 ~jfdi is Just F*cking Do It Jun 02 23:44:11 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jun 02 23:44:18 >:-( Jun 02 23:44:22 ~useless Jun 02 23:44:22 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jun 02 23:44:25 ~die Jun 02 23:45:18 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 02 23:45:30 hey, relax, it's just a bot like you + me Jun 02 23:46:02 ~+chanset #maemo Jun 02 23:46:03 chan: #maemo (see _default also) Jun 02 23:46:03 OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default Jun 02 23:46:11 ~+chanset _default Jun 02 23:46:11 Default channel settings Jun 02 23:46:12 BZFlag => 1, Debian => 1, DebianExtra => 1, Dict => 1, Exchange => 1, Factoids => 1, HTTPDtype => 1, Kernel => 1, Math => 1, Plug => 1, Quote => 1, RootWarn => 1, Rss => 1, Search => 1, Topic => 1, Units => 1, Uptime => 1, UserInfo => 1, Weather => 1, Zippy => 1, addressCharacter => ~, allowConv => 1, allowTelling => 1, botmail => 1, case => 1 Jun 02 23:46:12 chanlimitcheckPlus => 60, cookie => 1, countdown => 1, debian => 1, debianRefreshInterval => 7, dice => 1, dns => 1, exchange => 1, factoidArguments => 1, factoidDeleteDelay => 7, factoidPreventForgetLimit => 100, factoidPreventForgetLimitTime => 180000, factoidSearch => _default, floodMessages => 10:30, floodRepeat => 2:10, freshmeat => 1 Jun 02 23:46:12 insult => 1, ircTextCounters => heh hah :) ? hi lol, joinfloodCheck => 1, karma => 1, lart => 1, limitcheckInterval => 60, limitcheckPlus => 60, log => 1, maxListReplyCount => 30, md5 => 1, minVolunteerLength => 50, newsDefaultExpire => 7, newsKeepRead => 1, newsNotifyAll => 1, nickometer => 1, pager => 1, piglatin => 1, randomFactoidInterval => 60, reverse => 1 Jun 02 23:46:13 rss => 1, scramble => 1, sed => 1, seen => 1, seenFlushInterval => 120, seenMaxDays => 900, seenStats => 1, seenStoreAll => 1, sendPublicLimitBytes => 1000, slashdot => 1, spell => 1, tell => 1, translate => 1, upsidedown => 1, verstats => 1, wikipedia => 1, wtf => 1, zfi => 1, zsi => 1 Jun 02 23:46:43 profanity? Jun 02 23:47:41 Profane. Jun 02 23:47:45 insult =>1 Jun 02 23:48:08 but no profane=>0 Jun 02 23:48:28 maybe 0 is default Jun 02 23:48:38 and somebody deleted profane=>1 Jun 02 23:48:59 Need to protect the chilrens Jun 02 23:49:15 ~rape herself Jun 02 23:49:17 * infobot takes herself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Jun 02 23:49:52 ~listkeys 50 Jun 02 23:49:54 Factoid search of '50' by key (22 of 2477): port 650 ;; rfc 2050 ;; rfc 50 ;; rfc950 ;; zip 15003 ;; zip 15069 ;; zip 18507 ;; zip 20050 ;; zip 24506 ;; zip 30750 ;; zip 35079 ;; zip 39502 ;; zip 45002 ;; zip 46501 ;; zip 46502 ;; zip 50264 ;; zip 50314 ;; zip 5034 ;; zip 50420 ;; zip 50433 ;; zip 50551 ;; zip 50658. 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Jun 02 23:51:20 ~forget actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever Jun 02 23:51:21 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever Jun 02 23:52:43 GeneralAntilles: anyway that reaching out to new communities is exactly what chem|st intended with the jolla/sailfish forums Jun 02 23:53:35 I like that approach Jun 02 23:53:38 and we even plan to offer a direct link talk.jolla.com - just like talk.maemo.org been in times of ITT Jun 02 23:53:41 Versus Rob's sekrit emails. Jun 02 23:53:59 GeneralAntilles: 1) clear, community-driven, light-weight HiFo. 2) get hold of everything maemo/meego-related code + rights from NOK. 3) accept + support jolla wherever we can - if they profit, community in general will profit. 4) have proper server-infra to handle additional repos for HARM + sailfish Jun 02 23:54:34 What's the deal with the Harmattan infra and resources? Jun 02 23:54:36 2) there's no such code, just binaries Jun 02 23:54:55 Code you're not going to make progress on. Jun 02 23:55:02 There's nobody left at Nokia who even knows what it is. Jun 02 23:55:05 binaries, whatever there is Jun 02 23:55:26 That horse has been kicked to death already. And yes, it blends. Jun 02 23:55:45 4) sailfish isn't interested in maemo.org infra for their repos and stuff Jun 02 23:56:01 Random note: http://metawatch.com/ Jun 02 23:56:11 STRATA on sale for $129 for Father's Day. Jun 02 23:56:18 (it'll change your life) Jun 02 23:56:56 can it shut down maemo remotely? Jun 02 23:57:06 otherwise it won't, I'm afraid Jun 02 23:57:13 ;-D Jun 02 23:57:50 Having notifications on your wrist is a surprisingly significant change Jun 02 23:57:59 also: a watch you never have to worry about setting again. Jun 02 23:58:10 I rarely ever get any notifications Jun 02 23:58:19 WELL THEN Jun 02 23:58:52 I could use a notification every now and then, about me being hungry Jun 02 23:59:02 You should set an alarm for that Jun 02 23:59:05 WHICH REMINDS ME Jun 02 23:59:44 hilarious Jun 03 00:00:55 I'm procrastinating on MWKN. Jun 03 00:01:22 the only notifications I get (but I'm glad I don't get them when not at home) are of the class >>** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL **<< Jun 03 00:01:55 At least it's a lighter issue than last week. Jun 03 00:02:29 thus, give a a watch with maemo-be-gone and it might actually change my life ;-D Jun 03 00:03:27 ...back to somewhat "normal" Jun 03 00:03:54 You'd just find another killer project to kill yourself on. ;) Jun 03 00:04:59 Doc, don't fight it, your next device will be a jolla ;) Jun 03 00:05:25 hardly Jun 03 00:05:34 I have 5 N900 here Jun 03 00:05:45 and I'm ready to use them!!! Jun 03 00:06:02 ...just to be on the safe side, right?! Jun 03 00:06:21 be prepared for the nxt decade Jun 03 00:06:44 honestly the times when I bought a new device every month, to check what funny/cute ideas they had in their hw that I could adopt, are gone Jun 03 00:07:02 never did that Jun 03 00:07:10 Well, good thing it's been 4 years. Jun 03 00:07:12 :P Jun 03 00:07:19 I had to do that, for my job Jun 03 00:08:00 * GeneralAntilles needs more chumps to aggregate news to @mwkn on Twitter. Jun 03 00:08:20 eeek, sunday evening Jun 03 00:08:25 almost forgot Jun 03 00:08:40 actually monday morning Jun 03 00:08:48 GA: well, last meeting was a load Jun 03 00:09:01 indeed, not too bad Jun 03 00:09:24 you probably could pick up one or two details there Jun 03 00:09:56 I always wonder why there's no content here: http://maemo.org/news/ Jun 03 00:10:06 let's see: we started unification of councils... we announced BoD elections Jun 03 00:10:23 ...just the thumbnails right side Jun 03 00:10:32 hmm, dunno Jun 03 00:10:44 probably because nobody writes anything there Jun 03 00:10:46 I've got 4 stories so far: HiFo Board nominations, council meeting logs, Jolla €100 being made available for EU/.ch/.nl, and tabletsdev.maemo.org being up. Jun 03 00:11:09 It should pull the top rated stuff from Planet. Jun 03 00:11:15 But it seems like that component is borked. Jun 03 00:11:22 (That's not me volunteering to fix it) Jun 03 00:11:23 oh yeah, the last one is probably worth a sentence or two Jun 03 00:11:39