**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 03 02:59:58 2013 Jun 03 10:42:30 Does N950 run Maemo? Jun 03 10:55:56 it runs harmattan Jun 03 10:56:15 which is a version of maemo, with at least some commonalities Jun 03 10:56:25 basically same as n9 Jun 03 11:04:22 Harmattan is a mix between Maemo and MeeGo. Technically more Maemo though. Jun 03 11:45:45 ~moo Jun 03 11:45:45 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. Jun 03 11:46:23 wow Jun 03 11:46:28 ~factinfo moo Jun 03 11:46:30 moo -- created by mgeary at Fri Sep 28 15:18:07 2007 (2074 days); last modified at Thu Apr 18 20:21:06 2013 by cirdan!~chris@c-68-45-49-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 270 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 44s ago. Jun 03 12:48:01 DocScrutinizer05: do you actually ever sleep?? Jun 03 12:48:13 vi__, he doesn't sleep, he waits Jun 03 12:48:23 poll() Jun 03 12:48:41 or select() Jun 03 13:00:19 epoll()? :D Jun 03 13:00:20 epoll() ftw Jun 03 13:00:22 damn Jun 03 13:00:41 or actually epoll_wait() Jun 03 13:00:49 yeah Jun 03 13:40:27 dang, spam attack d-day Jun 03 13:42:15 I hope the whiteheads soon track down and nuke this friggin new spambot network, and the guys with the black helicopers shoot the idiots running it Jun 03 13:43:45 and sb is raping wiki VM Jun 03 13:51:24 Dear council, you should use a meetingbot. Jun 03 13:55:58 Can somebody put the banner on maemo.org please: http://i.imgur.com/lo5ppVe.png Jun 03 13:58:27 or who do I have to contact for that? Jun 03 13:58:58 Back in the day, you could've filled an enhancement request. :D Jun 03 13:59:19 DocScrutinizer05, are the website bugzilla components pointing to the right owners? Jun 03 13:59:32 Or is bmo just completely down these days? Jun 03 14:04:54 bugzilla.m.o loads for ages, then "connection reset" Jun 03 14:12:25 so who can I ask to put the banner on m.o please? Jun 03 14:21:10 err Jun 03 14:22:56 GeneralAntilles: which meetingbot? and who's going to provide, maintain, and *use* it? Jun 03 14:23:07 Doesn't Stskeeps have one operational? Jun 03 14:23:20 chem|st will use it, being chair and all. Jun 03 14:23:38 stskeeps is not exactly helping maemo anymore Jun 03 14:24:59 Win7Mac: I might look into it. We have no dedicated maintainer for that domain/topic Jun 03 14:25:12 (bugs.m.o) works here Jun 03 14:25:36 not exactly lightning fast but it seems wiki VM is getting raped by sth recently Jun 03 14:26:01 bugs.m.o works here too. sorry, tried bugzilla.m.o Jun 03 14:27:35 GeneralAntilles: (website bugzilla components) no idea. I tried to sort that out, but failed to understand how bugzilla assigns owners to components Jun 03 14:28:04 DocScrutinizer05, I think I can remember how to get that worked out if somebody wants to provide me with a list of component owners. Jun 03 14:30:07 Woody14619, please let us know here when karma is supposed to work again Jun 03 14:31:05 why? Jun 03 14:31:55 what's so important about karma? btw as long as wiki fails to list contributions per user, I think karma _cannot_ work Jun 03 14:32:11 why not? Jun 03 14:32:29 we should abolish karma along with TMO thanks. Jun 03 14:32:29 isn't that obvious? Jun 03 14:33:05 karma calculation based in parts on contributions to wiki Jun 03 14:33:36 so when wiki can't list those, how is karma supposed to work? Jun 03 14:34:07 It would be nice if it just worked, so everybody can check in order of the upcoming election Jun 03 14:34:40 I know of a lot of things nice to have ;-) Jun 03 14:34:46 how is it supposed? no idea - woody just said it might work by today Jun 03 14:35:03 probably he missed a few details then Jun 03 14:36:26 or *I* missed sth Jun 03 14:36:28 MWKN should publish in about 24 minutes. Jun 03 14:36:36 HOPE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY TYPOS Jun 03 14:36:57 DocScrutinizer05: karma is no solely generated from wiki so if at least some krama calc works again it is better than nothing... Jun 03 14:37:19 thanks GeneralAntilles Jun 03 14:37:21 GeneralAntilles: I do not have a meetingbot at hand Jun 03 14:38:09 chem|st: karma always provided *some* values. Alas worthless since it's not what it used to be Jun 03 14:38:55 chem|st, thanks for putting the banner on tmo, could you do the same on mo? Jun 03 14:39:10 no he can't Jun 03 14:39:25 since he has no admin permissions there Jun 03 14:39:27 Win7Mac: and again... I am no admin of m.o I am talkmaster only Jun 03 14:39:42 ok, then I hope you find the time for it Jun 03 14:39:53 *Doc Jun 03 14:41:02 I'm just busy with checking bugzilla.m.o, wiki.m.o, and karma ;-P Jun 03 14:41:18 while doing chats on IRC in ~8 chan Jun 03 14:41:41 well, first things first... Jun 03 14:41:42 point me to a locations where I can read what to do Jun 03 14:42:11 Win7Mac: it's been you who put all four topics on my todo list Jun 03 14:42:42 I'm honored... ;-) Jun 03 14:44:17 who decided to put a banner on m.o? where's that documented? who decided _which_ banner to put there? where's that banner? where shall it get placed to? Jun 03 14:44:53 and why do we need karma for that? Jun 03 14:45:02 does karma work now or not? Jun 03 14:45:11 do I need to talk to woody about that? Jun 03 14:45:54 and why the HECK is today international spam day? Jun 03 14:46:24 I already tagged 30some spams today that made it to my visible accounts Jun 03 14:47:05 for sure 10 times more than usually Jun 03 14:48:05 If you can, put it on http://maemo.org/ above "Get involved" right hand side or in the news below "Downloads for Maemo5". where's that documented? - no idea Jun 03 14:48:38 and where the heck are all those paypal and normal bank account donations of 10€, 20€ that I need to fill into a spreadsheet and comment on them. Where are the invoices of skeiron, where the other invoices? Jun 03 14:49:32 "all those" ~= 4, but anyway I need to spot them in last 7 months of banks account balances Jun 03 14:50:09 Somebody should take up the task of updating the various about/informational copy on maemo.org Jun 03 14:50:14 actually karma is not updated yet. You can always check my prfile: http://maemo.org/profile/view/win7mac/ As long as it says 3 you know its not working yet Jun 03 14:50:38 GeneralAntilles: huh? Jun 03 14:51:03 The About page, for instance. Jun 03 14:51:16 great! now I know nothing changed in karma Jun 03 14:51:17 s/About/Intro/ Jun 03 14:51:19 GeneralAntilles meant: The Intro page, for instance. Jun 03 14:51:56 GeneralAntilles: I can't make a workingpoint/ticket from that sparse info Jun 03 14:52:54 GeneralAntilles: URL, diff, please! Jun 03 14:53:18 DocScrutinizer05, yeah, that sounds suspiciously like me volunteering. Jun 03 14:53:20 I'll look at it. Jun 03 14:53:32 ok, thanks Jun 03 14:54:20 spam #39 Jun 03 14:55:50 honestly, why doesn't spamassassin or kmail allow simple definition of a filter ($mail.header.charset()=="kyrillian")? Jun 03 14:56:18 s/header/subject/ Jun 03 14:56:18 DocScrutinizer05 meant: honestly, why doesn't spamassassin or kmail allow simple definition of a filter ($mail.subject.charset()=="kyrillian")? Jun 03 15:00:05 the spam is coming in where? from different IPs? Jun 03 15:01:37 where: council for example. IP: you never know for sure Jun 03 15:02:22 I stoped analyzing SPAM headers long ago Jun 03 15:02:46 doesn't help for anything, except if you feel like needing a headache Jun 03 15:03:29 I suspect all the kyrillian spam comes from same IP so you could filter that Jun 03 15:03:31 I usually don't need, I already _got_ a headache from other stuff Jun 03 15:11:41 Win7Mac: http://privatepaste.com/dea90e5c3a good luck! - though, you gave me an idea how to filter for Cyrillic subjects Jun 03 15:11:47 wtf is going on in turkey? Jun 03 15:12:00 DocScrutinizer05: Just ban the whole sybnet. Jun 03 15:12:07 ^subnet. Jun 03 15:12:29 eh? and next subject sure is exactly same, right? Jun 03 15:12:44 ooh subnet, which subnet? Jun 03 15:13:02 whatever one the spam is coming from. Jun 03 15:13:47 111.67.*.*? Jun 03 15:13:51 yes Jun 03 15:13:59 kadrofutcheti@mail.ru and/or 111.67.203.*** Jun 03 15:14:10 just ban *.ru Jun 03 15:14:16 hehe Jun 03 15:14:26 vi__: yeah, that sounds more like it Jun 03 15:14:55 In fact, ban anywhere east of Bulgaria. Jun 03 15:15:49 you got a wildcard for *@maemo.org? or why nobody@maemo.org even gets forwarded? Jun 03 15:17:36 wildcard is not exactly good regarding spam Jun 03 15:34:54 next spam Jun 03 15:36:35 damn you kmail, of course I can't search/filter for raw encoding in subject Jun 03 15:36:45 like "=?Windows-1251" Jun 03 15:37:23 might need grep to do that for kmail :-S Jun 03 16:42:49 mmm, spam sandwiches :) Jun 03 16:46:55 DocScrutinizer05: you can filter by Content-Type header where is also encoding Jun 03 16:53:32 Pali: while this might be generally true, it alas doesn't apply for spam Jun 03 16:54:23 Subject: =?Windows-1251?B?x+D56PJhIO/w4OIgY2/hY/Li5e3t7vHy6A==?= Jun 03 16:55:00 ooh, right, this one _has_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1251 Jun 03 17:02:37 but... " [matches regex] '.*[ае].*'" Jun 03 17:03:35 I should set up a looong list of such "sucject matches regex" filter rules Jun 03 17:03:48 "sex" Jun 03 17:04:22 ".*[ае].*" Jun 03 17:05:33 "moments of" "intimate" "pleas.*" Jun 03 17:05:52 2Loans" Jun 03 17:06:24 "med" Jun 03 17:06:35 "pharma" Jun 03 17:09:28 but I had hoped for spamassassin doing such filtering for me Jun 03 17:14:08 maybe even better: " [does not match regex] '.*[aeioustrnl].*'" Jun 03 17:15:15 I know there may not be anybody that can help but there is clearly an autobuilder/repo issue with this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ Jun 03 17:16:12 Updates do not show and the package event section is bonkers! Jun 03 17:28:29 Surely the above issue is putting excessive load on infra. Jun 03 19:05:04 DocScrutinizer05, for placing the banner, found some info on Updating m.o sites: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/Updating_maemo.org_sites Jun 03 19:25:32 wow, outdated but great. thanks a lot Jun 03 19:25:56 sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever Jun 03 20:10:03 Win7Mac, Sorry, the weekend did not go as planned, so karma is still busted. But I think I have a good lead on how to fix it. Just need the time to do it. Jun 03 20:10:24 hi Jun 03 20:10:38 on smscon the mailserver part Jun 03 20:10:45 which shall I enter Jun 03 20:10:55 outgoing server or ingoingù' Jun 03 20:10:57 ? Jun 03 20:14:48 Woody14619, thanks for the update. Hope you can fix it anytime soon before nomination period ends Jun 03 20:16:54 I'm hopefull, but can't guarrantee it right now. Too many RL things that could pull me away that are frankly more important. Worst case, you can compute your own. The wiki has a page describing the computation. The only parts missing are wiki edits, brainstorms, and "itt"(tmp) posts/thanks. Those stats you can get from your profile info on the respective services pretty easily. Jun 03 20:39:41 Woody14619, comprehend the RL things. it would just be nice to have, not really important though. Thanks anyway. Oh and let us know in case a BoD meeting finally happens. Jun 03 20:39:56 GA renew his self-nomination, prolly you do the same just to be on the safe side. Up for some other nominations besides yourself? All the best! Jun 03 20:51:24 Win7Mac, why don't you nominate? ;) Jun 03 20:52:52 there's more talented guys around I hope Jun 03 20:53:06 Not enough, so far. :) Jun 03 20:53:50 it just started Jun 03 20:54:23 we need a banner on every *.m.o startpage Jun 03 23:29:27 I'm going to post a "question for candidates" thread on Talk if anybody wants to try to think up some more. Jun 03 23:30:19 great Jun 03 23:35:50 I found this driver and now I want to an USB-Video-input adapter to test it on N900: http://sourceforge.net/projects/easycapdc60/ could EasyCAP DC60 work with N900? Jun 03 23:36:07 -to Jun 03 23:37:05 not sure n900 is fast enough for raw video caputure even if its sd... Jun 03 23:37:50 (let alone for encoding h264 etc) Jun 03 23:38:55 I had a TV-PCI-card at it need less ressource when recording videos rather then viewing Jun 03 23:39:27 yeah but thats probably digital tv which is already encoded Jun 03 23:39:37 but I want watch the video outüut of cameras Jun 03 23:40:33 I don't want record the input... Jun 03 23:41:57 GeneralAntilles, check your latest post on tmo, it's missing a "]" Jun 03 23:41:58 exists a kernel version >=2.6.38 vor N900 (Maemo)? Jun 03 23:42:16 for Jun 03 23:42:26 Win7Mac, thanks! Jun 03 23:42:29 I SURE MESSED THAT UP Jun 03 23:43:59 is it possible to compile kernel 3.9 for N900? (without to get grey) Jun 03 23:45:46 NeutrinoPower, Um, perhaps but I think there's issues with closed blob drivers - GPU, cell modem wifi etc. Jun 03 23:46:04 Power Kernel is tweaked about as much as it can be, upgraded as well Jun 03 23:47:45 but EasyCAP DC60 Driver is in kernel 2.6.38 Jun 03 23:56:46 on http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma: what does Mediawiki_edits: 6 * sqrt(# edits) mean? what's sqrt? Jun 04 00:00:39 square root. Jun 04 00:03:14 one of those geek-things not even mentioned on the wiki ;-) Jun 04 00:03:33 Need moar programming experience (or something) Jun 04 00:03:43 (go nominated yourself for HiFo Board and maybe you'll get it) Jun 04 00:03:46 or math experience Jun 04 00:06:31 GA, awaiting your "question for candidates" thread on Talk ;) Jun 04 00:06:53 I'm still thinking about a 5th question. Jun 04 00:07:03 take your time Jun 04 00:07:09 Maybe I'll go with 4. Jun 04 00:07:29 not so soon ;) Jun 04 00:08:58 OK, it's up: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349349#post1349349 Jun 04 00:09:21 don't forget to ask the candidates if they got an idea about the *purpose* of HiFo ;-) Jun 04 00:09:48 DocScrutinizer05, go add that question to it. Jun 04 00:09:57 Hmm, actually Jun 04 00:10:00 ROTFL "Full disclosure: ..." Jun 04 00:10:00 I sort of covered it: Jun 04 00:10:17 "What do see you as the primary role for the Hildon Foundation Board of Directors?" Jun 04 00:11:39 GeneralAntilles: seems you r#2 already covers that Jun 04 00:12:07 and you already said the same :-) Jun 04 00:12:38 GA: good initiative! Jun 04 00:15:04 I'd probably rather ask "do you understand that the primary role of HiFo is to be community's *treasurer* and *accountant*? And that there's NO great _mission_ that HiFo should follow?" Jun 04 00:15:17 only thing I wonder is if "...will, hopefully, be coming up..." helps anybody. Jun 04 00:15:38 rather name dependencies Jun 04 00:15:42 DocScrutinizer05, post away. Jun 04 00:16:57 Win7Mac, yeah, true. Jun 04 00:19:12 Should I update the first post with questions I like or just let the thread develop more organically? Jun 04 00:20:30 DocScrutinizer05, also: "Thanks!" you stingy bastard? I have 2 years of ITT-without-Thanks! to compensate for. :D Jun 04 00:20:53 eh? Jun 04 00:21:14 didn't I hit thanks yet? Jun 04 00:21:25 wait! I'm still editing Jun 04 00:21:30 :P Jun 04 00:25:19 well, the great _mission_ is to keep + grow actual support and pick up sailfish, no? Jun 04 00:25:38 GeneralAntilles: done Jun 04 00:26:30 Yes, I agree. Jun 04 00:26:40 (DocScrutinizer05) Jun 04 00:26:52 Shall I aggregate useful questions to the first post? Jun 04 00:27:46 i'll post mine Jun 04 00:27:47 err no. "Pick up sailfish" is not on the agenda of HiFo, and for sure shouldn't. It might become a subject on the agenda of MCC, and MCC in their role as proxy of community might advice HiFo to do *material/financial/legal* stuff needed to pursue such subject/mission Jun 04 00:28:13 Win7Mac: ^^^ Jun 04 00:28:20 I see HiFo as a sort of passive gardener for maemo.org Jun 04 00:28:26 yep Jun 04 00:28:49 though you could argue that's MCC Jun 04 00:29:10 don't wanna argue Jun 04 00:29:13 Might prune things in the direction of facilitating Sailfish/Jolla to be a part of the community (see: chem|st's Talk moves) but not actively pursing anything but keeping maemo.org running. Jun 04 00:29:28 I suspect we all mostly agree on this subject. Jun 04 00:29:29 and HiFo is the company delivering what the passive gardener needs Jun 04 00:29:44 GA, ^^ exactly Jun 04 00:29:53 Check the legal boxes, facilitate the MCC/HFC doing their jobs. Jun 04 00:30:12 yep Jun 04 00:30:44 (see: chem|st's Talk moves) is exactly what MCC is meant for Jun 04 00:31:25 *pick up up was ofc very vague in any means Jun 04 00:31:28 after discussing it with community on Friday 1800utc, if needed Jun 04 00:33:18 grab my thanks too Jun 04 00:44:52 no idea how I am supposed to view my wiki-contributions :( Jun 04 00:48:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences Jun 04 00:48:29 Number of edits: Jun 04 00:48:35 (User ID: 7) Woo Jun 04 00:49:09 wut? Jun 04 00:50:05 well, 1934 Jun 04 00:52:42 another corner of maemo I NHB :o Jun 04 00:54:38 GeneralAntilles: number of edits actually works - I thought it was borked as well. This one is borked for sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=joerg_rw&namespace=&year=&month=-1 Jun 04 00:55:46 ashley: ^^^ could you look into that maybe? Jun 04 00:58:12 LOL!! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Joerg_rw Jun 04 01:04:58 HELL, there's missing one or two edits between 2012-05-02T20:48:54 and 2013-03-22T21:34:15 Jun 04 01:05:22 seen that Jun 04 01:05:59 you use server time or offset? Jun 04 01:06:14 (beyond your regard) Jun 04 01:07:17 sorry? Jun 04 01:08:26 Number of edits: 936, "all public logs": 13 Jun 04 01:08:43 nvm Jun 04 01:18:10 Woody14619: YEAH!!! \o/ Jun 04 01:18:13 thanks! Jun 04 01:19:39 particularly for straightening this insult about employment Jun 04 01:20:00 how pathetic Jun 04 01:20:12 More to come later, depending on how pissed I am tomorrow. Jun 04 01:20:25 hehe Jun 04 01:20:40 :? Jun 04 01:20:51 I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight. That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea. Jun 04 01:21:08 aaah ;-P Jun 04 01:21:37 I adore the "tell me , legal professional:..." Jun 04 01:21:52 ;) Jun 04 01:23:07 bedtime for me. good night all Jun 04 02:45:13 has anyone tried running firefoxOS on a n900 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 02:59:59 2013