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Jun 04 05:27:06 <int_ua> anyone: ^
Jun 04 05:27:19 <int_ua> :)
Jun 04 09:01:24 <vi__> DocScrutinizer51: n900 has G711 codec right?
Jun 04 09:29:52 <Macer> good morning
Jun 04 10:42:31 <Sicelo> vi__: yes, afaik. :P
Jun 04 10:44:14 <Sicelo> i think the guy on tmo.. his provider just isn't interested in helping him. that's all. with asterisk, N900 uses both types of G711 vry well (if the network is good and reliable, of course)
Jun 04 10:47:55 <Sicelo> G711 is PCM, likely the most basic codec there is
Jun 04 10:59:54 <vi__> ye
Jun 04 11:00:03 <vi__> pcm==non compressed
Jun 04 11:00:18 <vi__> which means very little cpu overhead.
Jun 04 11:11:36 <vi__> I am eagerly waiting confirmation of my new job.
Jun 04 11:14:14 <Sicelo> hmm ?)
Jun 04 11:14:17 <Sicelo> \o/
Jun 04 11:27:07 <Raimu> vi__: Where's your job?
Jun 04 14:16:45 <DocScrutinizer05> aah, thanks Sicelo
Jun 04 14:43:29 <sixwheeledbeast> <<(20:25:56) DocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever>> I did :) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-03.log.html#t2013-06-03T20:15:15
Jun 04 14:44:00 <sixwheeledbeast> The autobuilder seems to be cleaning the package over and over again
Jun 04 14:44:08 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't make my life easier, eh? ;-P
Jun 04 14:44:17 <sixwheeledbeast> :)
Jun 04 14:44:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, known effect
Jun 04 14:44:28 <sixwheeledbeast> every hour!
Jun 04 14:44:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I already tagged it as one of our major headaches
Jun 04 14:44:50 <DocScrutinizer05> every 4h, every 2min, whatever
Jun 04 14:45:13 <DocScrutinizer05> give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually
Jun 04 14:45:24 <sixwheeledbeast> ok, is this tied with the package not sending update notices?
Jun 04 14:45:36 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like the stupidest of bots
Jun 04 14:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: become our autobuilder maintainer and find out!
Jun 04 14:48:23 <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't know what to do. I am only asking if you knew, it's fine to say "I dunno" :) A problem shared == solved
Jun 04 14:48:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/
Jun 04 14:49:08 <DocScrutinizer05> give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually
Jun 04 14:49:51 <sixwheeledbeast> I think I spotted that on backscroll, wtf happen there.
Jun 04 14:51:14 <sixwheeledbeast> do you need the package page? http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/
Jun 04 14:51:58 <sixwheeledbeast> maemo.org is slow at the moment
Jun 04 14:52:46 <sixwheeledbeast> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.1.0/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.0.1/ are the packages being cleaned over and over.
Jun 04 14:54:50 <DocScrutinizer05> nuked them, now please leave me alone, I want to enjoy my deep depression and cry a little
Jun 04 14:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Or I GONNA KILL THIS AUTOBUILDEr WITH FIRE
Jun 04 14:59:42 <sixwheeledbeast> sorry...
Jun 04 14:59:54 <DocScrutinizer05> not your fault
Jun 04 14:59:58 * sixwheeledbeast hides
Jun 04 15:00:43 <sixwheeledbeast> I just didn't want it wasting system resource that's all :)
Jun 04 15:01:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, sth is *severely* fuckedup in this whole POS
Jun 04 15:01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: believe me, I feel all the same
Jun 04 15:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> it makes me feel physical pain to watch the server build a page with thousands of "cleaned old package instance" history records, for minutes
Jun 04 15:03:03 <DocScrutinizer05> now figure what happens when spiders crawl the site
Jun 04 15:03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> and worst thing, we neither have a clue what caused that, nor how to *FIX* it for good. The history records linger on in midgards db forever
Jun 04 15:04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> while we curse about repligard db table of 20GB size
Jun 04 15:05:26 * DocScrutinizer05 wanders off to cry a bit more
Jun 04 17:28:33 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: Your not kidding about "*severely* fuckedup" I have found more... I want to cry :(
Jun 04 17:37:41 <sixwheeledbeast> What happened in the second week of May to cause it :scratchhead:
Jun 04 17:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> it probably starts with ja, and ends with cekowski
Jun 04 17:40:15 <DocScrutinizer05> but that problem is older, we encountered it as early as october 2012 iirc
Jun 04 17:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> please point me to all packages you can find that have this problem, so I can delete then one by one
Jun 04 17:41:15 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: ^^^
Jun 04 17:41:42 <sixwheeledbeast> yep well firstly modrana is like neilsquare *blank*
Jun 04 17:42:04 <sixwheeledbeast> plus so far I have located http://kl1p.com/pkgissues
Jun 04 17:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or even better, you get admin on midgard and hit "delete" on all *carefully* *checked* packages that have several "removed obsolete version" in their recent history
Jun 04 17:43:04 <sixwheeledbeast> I have check carefully before adding URL to list.
Jun 04 17:43:19 <sixwheeledbeast> I have put date of first issue with the package too
Jun 04 17:43:47 <sixwheeledbeast> Seems the issue was all updates to packages since 10 May ish
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Jun 04 17:53:44 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: what's your garage name?
Jun 04 17:53:54 <sixwheeledbeast> sixwheeledbeast :)
Jun 04 17:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover test!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second security level!!
Jun 04 17:58:35 <DocScrutinizer05> s/test/text/
Jun 04 17:58:35 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover text!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second secur...
Jun 04 17:59:26 <sixwheeledbeast> I can see options already
Jun 04 18:01:19 <DocScrutinizer05> do NOT USE ANY of the new permissions, except "delete" on carefully checked packages as you've proven to do the checks in your list you posted!
Jun 04 18:02:07 <sixwheeledbeast> Ok so i click "delete package instance" on the individual packages page correct?
Jun 04 18:05:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: you use the "Delete" link seen in http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/04/plasma-desktopMV3743.png in the middle of pic
Jun 04 18:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> under "ENDED 2013-05-17 04:29"
Jun 04 18:07:28 <sixwheeledbeast> OK got it.
Jun 04 18:07:37 <DocScrutinizer05> no second guessing! clicking it instantly nukes the package, so BE CAREFUL!
Jun 04 18:07:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I will how far on the list did you do?
Jun 04 18:07:49 <DocScrutinizer05> do NOT use *any* of the midgard toolbar options!
Jun 04 18:08:07 <sixwheeledbeast> OK
Jun 04 18:08:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll see in history of packages
Jun 04 18:09:16 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out for crying a bit again
Jun 04 18:11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm temped to again shut down autobuilder completely
Jun 04 18:13:44 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah infobot, i'm leaving too
Jun 04 18:16:58 <thedead1440> haha
Jun 04 18:18:53 <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: I can't find any more, I will logout now.
Jun 04 18:24:30 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jun 04 18:27:46 <sixwheeledbeast> ah a have had a pm to say recaller is doing it too. I will look now.
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Jun 04 18:50:42 <DocScrutinizer05> freenode and infobot under DDoS. Waiting for impact on maemo.org
Jun 04 18:51:35 <sixwheeledbeast> maemo.org has been slow for a while
Jun 04 18:53:04 <sixwheeledbeast> Ok I know of no more packages with the cleaning issue. I am going afk for a while. ttfn.
Jun 04 18:54:22 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's been a tad slow since we radically cut down resources for www/static, to avoid OOM kicking in when somebody goes mirroring maemo.org (usually spiders)
Jun 04 18:54:59 <DocScrutinizer05> we planned to adjust from floor up rather than landing on the roof in free falling
Jun 04 18:55:39 <DocScrutinizer05> so ~Friday www gone a tad slow, and now we gradually ramp up and see what we can actually handle
Jun 04 18:56:51 <DocScrutinizer05> before it been lightning fast until the zillion concurrent apache processes used up all RAM and kernel started to kill them off due to out-of-memory
Jun 04 18:57:37 <DocScrutinizer05> even worse: eventually some other important process got killed during that
Jun 04 18:57:47 <DocScrutinizer05> like sshd ;-P
Jun 04 18:58:06 <DocScrutinizer05> so we thought we should do sth about it
Jun 04 18:58:51 <DocScrutinizer05> finetuning a webserver isn't exactly a straightforward task
Jun 04 18:59:41 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly when that server also every now and then is ruunning really braindamaged php jobs that eat jiggabytes of RAM for nuttin
Jun 04 19:00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> due to midgard not freeing RAM of objects that get destructed, due to circular references that forbid garbage collector to do its job
Jun 04 19:12:23 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Jun 04 19:13:27 <DocScrutinizer05> #freenode gone +m(oderated), never seen that before
Jun 04 19:13:48 <DocScrutinizer05> they must really face devcon1
Jun 04 20:21:14 * DocScrutinizer05 waves at infobot
Jun 04 21:24:36 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.computersolutions.cn/blog/2012/05/msn-bing-crawler-spider-madness/
Jun 04 21:25:25 <DocScrutinizer05> suckers, they killed maemo.org and shr-project.org yesterday
Jun 04 21:25:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~kill M$
Jun 04 21:25:35 * infobot shoots a excited anti-neutrino gun at M$
Jun 04 21:26:19 <DocScrutinizer05> bing my ass, they're doing that since 3 years now it seems
Jun 04 21:34:07 <M4rtinK> that's pretty crazy
Jun 04 21:34:49 <M4rtinK> looks like they want to be evil - big style ! :)
Jun 04 21:35:35 <ecc2g> uh weird... that first log in that web page indicates robots.txt 404'ed?  am I readin gthat right?
Jun 04 21:36:57 <ecc2g> not that it shouldnt be spamming webservers, i have my angst at baidubot that does the same to my server.
Jun 04 21:38:39 <ecc2g> the first comment on that web page has a 200 code to get /robots.txt - now that time it read it properly... but the main body it 404'ed.
Jun 04 21:40:13 <ecc2g> though it still picked up /members/ ...
Jun 04 21:47:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen jaffa
Jun 04 21:47:32 <infobot> jaffa <~andrew@Maemo/community/contributor/Jaffa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 9h 55m 14s ago, saying: 'You do?'.
Jun 04 21:47:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen GeneralAntilles
Jun 04 21:47:43 <infobot> generalantilles is currently on #maemo (1h 17m 53s) #harmattan (1h 17m 53s), last said: '(User ID: 7) Woo'.
Jun 04 21:47:47 <DocScrutinizer05> suure
Jun 04 21:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen texrat
Jun 04 21:47:53 <infobot> texrat <47a4a6f1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.166.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 437d 17h 53m 17s ago, saying: 'right'.
Jun 04 21:48:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen revdkathy
Jun 04 21:48:13 <infobot> revdkathy <~androirc@5ace035f.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 628d 3h 54m 16s ago, saying: 'oh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own. '.
Jun 04 21:48:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen ivgalvez
Jun 04 21:48:45 <infobot> ivgalvez <~quassel@86.43.81.96> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 71d 4h 23m 27s ago, saying: 'but BM worked as a charm, God bless Robbie1st'.
Jun 04 21:49:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen qole
Jun 04 21:49:09 <infobot> i haven't seen 'qole', DocScrutinizer05
Jun 04 21:49:13 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Jun 04 21:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen Woody14619
Jun 04 21:52:12 <infobot> woody14619 is currently on #maemo (1h 21m 46s) #maemo-ssu (1h 21m 46s), last said: 'I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight.  That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea.'.
Jun 04 21:52:16 <freemangordon_> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, what are you looking for?
Jun 04 21:52:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ex-councilors' cloaks
Jun 04 21:52:44 <freemangordon> wtf?
Jun 04 21:53:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yaknow /maemo/community/council/*
Jun 04 21:53:37 <freemangordon> oh, no, NameServ was spittinf bullshit
Jun 04 21:53:42 <DocScrutinizer05> freenode doesn't allow searching for cloaks or hostnames in general
Jun 04 21:53:54 <freemangordon> I mean WTF was not pointed to you :)
Jun 04 21:54:05 <DocScrutinizer05> aah
Jun 04 21:54:35 <freemangordon> my ISP does bullshit for the last couple of months, it seems i have to find another one
Jun 04 21:54:56 <freemangordon> 5-6 reconnects per day
Jun 04 21:55:08 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, time for the semi-yearly cloak action, x-fade will cheer he finally got sth to do ;-D
Jun 04 21:55:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Jun 04 21:55:38 <DocScrutinizer05> might as wll be your modem
Jun 04 21:55:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or copper quality
Jun 04 21:55:56 <DocScrutinizer05> S/N
Jun 04 21:56:17 <freemangordon> could be, but it is provided by the ISP too, so what's the difference?
Jun 04 21:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> your neighbour switching on his DSL modem -> yours goes "duh, I should retrain". Known issue
Jun 04 21:56:30 <freemangordon> the same
Jun 04 21:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> check your S/N
Jun 04 21:57:04 <freemangordon> I give a shit about that, if they don;t play nice I'll just change them ;)
Jun 04 21:57:11 <sixwheeledbeast> qole was last seen http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-09-06.log.html#t2011-09-06T19:58:55 :) can I be a bot, all be it a slow one 
Jun 04 21:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> if it's too bad, odds are you get "no DSL possible" answer when complaining at your ISP
Jun 04 21:57:35 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: actually we have a choice here :)
Jun 04 21:57:46 <freemangordon> at least for ISPs
Jun 04 21:59:10 <freemangordon> I kicked off my previous ISP because he wanted my..., hmm..., personal ID? not sure how to translate to English
Jun 04 22:00:02 <freemangordon> yep, should be personal ID
Jun 04 22:00:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ID card number?
Jun 04 22:01:40 <freemangordon> no, it is a personal ID, it is a 10 digit number you got when you're born, it consists of your birthdate , 4 random digits and a check digit
Jun 04 22:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh
Jun 04 22:02:37 <DocScrutinizer05> do you get a barcode on your forehead too?
Jun 04 22:02:44 <freemangordon> hehe
Jun 04 22:02:59 <freemangordon> the matrix, you know :P
Jun 04 22:04:15 <freemangordon> however, we(in Bulgaria) are blessed with very good ISPs and internet connectivity as a whole, so I can change my ISP whenever I want
Jun 04 22:05:01 <freemangordon> afaik only romanians have better inet, or at least that was the case 1-2 years ago
Jun 04 22:07:57 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: still no autobuilder maintainer?
Jun 04 22:10:55 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, do you want to make me feel depressed? of course not, otherwise I had switched the channel to comic mode to celebrate that
Jun 04 22:12:14 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: come on, you know me, the worst thing I've ever wanted you to feel is wrong :P
Jun 04 22:12:28 <freemangordon> I'm glad I usually succeed :D:D:D
Jun 04 22:13:10 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: BTW the question about maintainer was serious
Jun 04 22:13:15 <freemangordon> *the maintainer
Jun 04 22:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I know. My answer as well
Jun 04 22:13:38 <freemangordon> ok, got it
Jun 04 22:13:40 <freemangordon> :(
Jun 04 22:14:09 <DocScrutinizer05> there's nobody who's willing to play in a team, under a sysop, and learn about how that cauldron shit works
Jun 04 22:14:42 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: honestly, i'd like to be, but I need some RL issues to pass by, to be able to take the commitment
Jun 04 22:15:19 <freemangordon> I hate to say I'll do something and to disappear
Jun 04 22:15:36 <freemangordon> actually never do like that (I hope)
Jun 04 22:16:23 <freemangordon> 01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there's nobody who's willing to play in a team, under a sysop, and learn about how that cauldron shit works
Jun 04 22:16:28 <freemangordon> this is strange
Jun 04 22:16:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, isn't it :-P
Jun 04 22:16:47 <freemangordon> I mean - if you have a "boss", things are way easier
Jun 04 22:17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess the latter part is the problem
Jun 04 22:17:27 <freemangordon> could be
Jun 04 22:17:43 <freemangordon> but dammit, it is a pile of scripts after all
Jun 04 22:17:48 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jun 04 22:19:08 <DocScrutinizer05> a "block schematics" to be found at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends
Jun 04 22:19:33 <freemangordon> anyway, I'll give it try. when I have some free time. hopefully soon, as this is unacceptable(haveing buggy autobuilder)
Jun 04 22:20:05 <freemangordon> *having
Jun 04 22:22:03 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: BTW is there any progress wit nokia repo keys?
Jun 04 22:22:10 <freemangordon> *with
Jun 04 22:22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> none at all
Jun 04 22:22:23 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jun 04 22:22:28 <freemangordon> do we have any contact?
Jun 04 22:23:00 <DocScrutinizer05> no more than pali's last mails and the *cough* answers
Jun 04 22:23:26 <freemangordon> ohh, we have answers?
Jun 04 22:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> the last one a months or so ago been "Mr X isn't working for us anymore, this topic gets handled by MrY and Mr Z now"
Jun 04 22:24:30 <freemangordon> I see
Jun 04 22:24:33 <DocScrutinizer05> OWTTE
Jun 04 22:25:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I *think* pali sent another mail to Y and Z, and I dunno if he got any answer
Jun 04 22:26:05 <freemangordon> if we only have BoD as it was supposed to be :(
Jun 04 22:26:25 <freemangordon> hopefully that will change soon
Jun 04 22:26:25 <DocScrutinizer05> we might need to consider to completely shanghai the nokia repos
Jun 04 22:26:53 <DocScrutinizer05> BoD couldn't to anything on that either
Jun 04 22:27:30 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: the point is that lots of "users" will never know that n900 lives in 2013
Jun 04 22:27:38 <DocScrutinizer05> the heck, they were not even supoosed to do much about it, after Nokia obviously refused to pass ownership to Nokia repos over to us
Jun 04 22:28:08 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: that is understandable, they don;t own some IP in there
Jun 04 22:28:53 <freemangordon> and they don'h have/unwill to allocate the resources needed to check every single package in the repos
Jun 04 22:29:09 <freemangordon> s/to allocate/resources to allocate/
Jun 04 22:29:09 <infobot> freemangordon meant: and they don'h have/unwill resources to allocate the resources needed to check every single package in the repos
Jun 04 22:29:17 <freemangordon> you got it :)
Jun 04 22:29:24 <DocScrutinizer05> why would that be needed?
Jun 04 22:29:56 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, to pass the ownership to us
Jun 04 22:30:01 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 04 22:30:24 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I think it's more about the URL and the signature key - yes, THIS signature key
Jun 04 22:30:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia already allowed us to redistribute binaries
Jun 04 22:30:50 <freemangordon> see, we are "third party"
Jun 04 22:30:58 <freemangordon> hmm?
Jun 04 22:31:05 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, might be a problem nevertheless
Jun 04 22:31:16 <freemangordon> which binaries, do you mane qole's exeption?
Jun 04 22:31:24 <freemangordon> *mean
Jun 04 22:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> well, sth like that
Jun 04 22:32:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Quim told us basically we can redistribute whatever we like, iirc
Jun 04 22:32:45 <freemangordon> this is not enough "official" for all the packages ownership to be transfered to "third party" like HiFo
Jun 04 22:32:49 <DocScrutinizer05> but sure a whole repo officially handed over to us is a different thing
Jun 04 22:32:51 <freemangordon> IIUC
Jun 04 22:33:46 <freemangordon> however, it is unfortunate that Nokia don;t want to make this effort and fix the damn repo key
Jun 04 22:34:13 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's subcontractors anyway
Jun 04 22:34:53 <freemangordon> is it?
Jun 04 22:34:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and I *think* nokia told them to fix it, otherwise they never had approached us how to do it
Jun 04 22:35:05 <DocScrutinizer05> accenture?
Jun 04 22:35:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess that's a subcontractor
Jun 04 22:36:20 <freemangordon> in continuation to my "if we only have Bod" way of thinking - BoD can paster them way more effectivly than Pali, me, you or whoever "maemo star"
Jun 04 22:36:35 <freemangordon> If you get me
Jun 04 22:37:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think so
Jun 04 22:38:25 <freemangordon> why? me, you, Pali, etc are "noone" in a corporate world. We are individuals, not "officials"
Jun 04 22:38:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and so is HiFo
Jun 04 22:38:57 <freemangordon> wring
Jun 04 22:39:01 <freemangordon> *wrong
Jun 04 22:39:20 <freemangordon> "they" are official 
Jun 04 22:39:28 <DocScrutinizer05> in which way?
Jun 04 22:39:56 <freemangordon> in laws way. And that matters when average Joe gets an e-mail
Jun 04 22:40:21 <freemangordon> no matter which laws
Jun 04 22:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> neither of those who are relevant for that issue is "average Joe"
Jun 04 22:41:04 <DocScrutinizer05> it's Nokia nd Accenture, and for both HiFo is nobody as well
Jun 04 22:41:45 <freemangordon> see, "Nokia" and "Accenture" are not the ones getting emails
Jun 04 22:41:58 <freemangordon> it is concrete people
Jun 04 22:42:08 <DocScrutinizer05> sure they are, first instance
Jun 04 22:43:00 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't even know which are "the concrete people" inside Nokia you would want to cantact
Jun 04 22:43:21 <freemangordon> And it depends whether e-mails are coming from "freemangordon@abc.xy" or "ceo@hifo.com" :)
Jun 04 22:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> not to those inside Nokia
Jun 04 22:43:43 <freemangordon> s/depends/makes difference/
Jun 04 22:43:43 <infobot> freemangordon meant: And it makes difference whether e-mails are coming from "freemangordon@abc.xy" or "ceo@hifo.com" :)
Jun 04 22:43:53 <freemangordon> well, could be
Jun 04 22:44:37 <freemangordon> but I still think it would've been better if we had a working legal entity
Jun 04 22:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> might help, but also might have a downside
Jun 04 22:46:02 <freemangordon> see, I don;t think our "contact people" in Nokia or Accenture are/were a decision makers
Jun 04 22:46:05 <DocScrutinizer05> as long as Nokia owns maemo.org, we don't sweat our shirt waiting for a patent troll to try and make some money from a binary shipped via extras-repo
Jun 04 22:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and anyway, as it looks now, we _never_ will own maemo, Nokia got pissed by HiFo
Jun 04 22:47:03 <freemangordon> Nokia still owns maemo.org?
Jun 04 22:47:07 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jun 04 22:47:17 <freemangordon> nice :(
Jun 04 22:48:29 <freemangordon> well, in that case we are just generating some network trafic :)
Jun 04 22:49:18 <freemangordon> NFC why, but I was under the impression that the ownership was transferred long ago
Jun 04 22:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> hah
Jun 04 22:51:00 <freemangordon> see, I really try to keep away from politics, see my involvement in "Community Arawds" thread if you need and you'll get why :)
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Jun 05 01:11:52 <Win7Mac> hello ;)
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