**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 02:59:58 2013 Jun 05 04:57:53 http://privatepaste.com/e4fab01c3b OOM Jun 05 04:58:13 ~lart MSN-spider Jun 05 04:58:14 * infobot lowers MSN-spider's priority Jun 05 04:58:27 better dat Jun 05 11:29:04 ? Jun 05 11:29:13 DocScrutinizer05: WTF, this cannot be real. Jun 05 11:29:14 http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html Jun 05 11:45:24 vi_ have you checked dates on news? its December 1, 2006 Jun 05 11:48:55 yeah, that's age old and known Jun 05 11:49:33 and real Jun 05 11:54:12 Hello Jun 05 11:54:18 Can I have a N950? Jun 05 12:01:55 mayne on ebay someone will sell ;) Jun 05 12:02:05 maybe Jun 05 12:07:57 I cant believe it. How can my microphone be switched on remotely? Jun 05 12:08:14 vi__: backdoor in baseband> Jun 05 12:08:15 ? Jun 05 12:09:20 what about if I turn it to 'offline' mode? Jun 05 12:09:41 vi__: no signals received, no botnet. Jun 05 12:47:05 www temporary down for a few minutes of service Jun 05 12:54:52 world wide web? Jun 05 12:56:14 yeah! "mom, I have shut down the internet" Jun 05 12:56:41 ~www Jun 05 12:56:41 somebody said www was The World Wide Web, or world wide wait Jun 05 12:56:50 grr Jun 05 12:56:54 ~mo Jun 05 12:56:54 well, mo is Macao Modus operandi. Jun 05 12:57:01 double-GRR Jun 05 12:57:07 ~bmo Jun 05 12:57:07 well, bmo is bugs.maemo.org Jun 05 12:57:13 ~wmo Jun 05 12:57:13 i heard wmo is wiki.maemo.org Jun 05 12:57:19 ~wwwmo Jun 05 12:57:42 ~listvalues .maemo.org Jun 05 12:57:44 Factoid search of '.maemo.org' by value (17 of 129): #maemo closed ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo mo/* ;; #maemo sdk ;; #maemo smo ;; #maemo truecrypt ;; #maemo u-boot ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; arch-n900 ;; beasttweaks ;; boot-sd ;; cssu ;; cssu-thumb ;; ereswap ;; flash-partitioning ;; flashplayer ;; hildon-extras. Jun 05 12:57:55 ~mo7* Jun 05 12:57:58 ~mo/* Jun 05 12:57:59 [mo/*] http//maemo.org/* and http://www.maemo.org Jun 05 12:58:13 here you are Jun 05 12:59:20 DocScrutinizer05: read mailbox Jun 05 12:59:30 mailbox? Jun 05 12:59:53 last my forwared email Jun 05 13:00:04 none here Jun 05 13:00:35 just wait some minutes/seconds Jun 05 13:00:42 there is is Jun 05 13:04:52 well, I think the suggested global replacement of GPG key never been a feasible option. Why didn't you ask for signing a new MP with the "MaemoSW Admin" and then just delivering that "PR1.4"? Jun 05 13:05:27 why would they need to replace the key on all servers for that? Jun 05 13:07:31 or is that signing or auth done realtime during download? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 13:15:45 2013 Jun 05 13:16:13 Pali: Nokia *does* want that fixed, otherwise they hadn't told accenture to look into it Jun 05 13:16:50 I do not belive Jun 05 13:16:57 ah, today I should have time to add uinput-mapper to devel, or at least figure out how to do it :-) Jun 05 13:17:02 I suggested more steps and nothing happened Jun 05 13:18:12 they did nothing Jun 05 13:19:35 to fix it they must 1) release new FIASCO image with extended expiration date or 2) resign repository with some other valid key (so only sw admin key) Jun 05 13:19:52 I still think they didn't grok the one right procedure Jun 05 13:19:53 and they refused both options Jun 05 13:20:09 no, they didn't Jun 05 13:21:18 if you want continue conversation with nokia Jun 05 13:21:29 or ask somebody else for it Jun 05 13:21:35 you asked them to >>going to replace signing GPG key with "MaemoSW Admin"<< > >to replace "Nokia repository signing key 4v1" GPG key with "MaemoSW Admin" GPG key on all Maemo5 SSU servers<< Jun 05 13:22:11 to them this sounds like shipping a new private key to all servers Jun 05 13:22:23 which is not what we need to get done, aiui Jun 05 13:22:23 rigth, because because they wrote that releasing new fiasco image will not happen Jun 05 13:23:02 yes, we need it - there is not other option Jun 05 13:23:20 what we need is a NEW MP-FREMANTLE_PR signed with admin key shipped by all repo servers Jun 05 13:23:23 ssu repository must be (re)signed with other key Jun 05 13:23:38 but this is not possible Jun 05 13:23:44 yes, but that DOES NOT MEAN to deploy the key to all servers Jun 05 13:24:01 you can only resign whole apt repository Jun 05 13:24:10 not possible to sign one specific package Jun 05 13:24:13 actually aiui no repo server has ANY key Jun 05 13:24:24 so what? Jun 05 13:25:01 you need to resign ssu repository, you cannot sign some new mp-fremantle Jun 05 13:25:04 then sign whole apt repository, that still doesn't mean you have to ship THE KEY to all servers Jun 05 13:25:27 and who told you that you need to ship private key to server? Jun 05 13:25:36 you ship _the repository_, *not* the KEY Jun 05 13:26:01 >to replace "Nokia repository signing key 4v1" GPG key with "MaemoSW Admin" GPG key on all Maemo5 SSU servers< [quote pali] Jun 05 13:26:41 I bet they got this the same way I do: deploy a private key to repo servers (akamai) Jun 05 13:26:52 you need to replace signing GPG key 4v1 with maemosw admin Jun 05 13:27:07 NO you don't Jun 05 13:27:08 and deploy new signatures to all repositories Jun 05 13:27:44 nobody is replacing anything, you SIGN the repository with that sw-adm key, then you replace the repository Jun 05 13:28:09 signing can happen on a secure server inside Nokia Jun 05 13:28:21 you DO NOT deploy a new key Jun 05 13:28:34 go ahead and ask nokia what will do Jun 05 13:28:44 they simply can't do that, since they are not allowed to deploy a new key Jun 05 13:28:46 I do not care about it anymore Jun 05 13:29:24 please, do you get the differnece? Jun 05 13:29:42 or am I wrong? Jun 05 13:30:13 aiui it's only about the signature in the packages, no? Jun 05 13:30:26 not about any private key on any repo server Jun 05 13:31:13 if not even the both of us can sort that out, do you really expect Nokia or Accenture to understand it? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 13:36:47 2013 Jun 05 13:37:28 DocScrutinizer05: "...then sign that package with the SW-adm key..." -> not possible, you cannot sign one package, you can only sign whole repository Jun 05 13:37:47 uhuh Jun 05 13:37:57 I already wrote it Jun 05 13:38:34 a) not possible is irrelevant. The question is if it's *needed* Jun 05 13:38:45 when you say that's not needed so even better Jun 05 13:39:02 b) what means "sign whole repo"? Jun 05 13:39:22 isn't that exactly "sign MP-frematle-PR" as I wrote above? Jun 05 13:40:01 or rather, "sign packages.gz" Jun 05 13:41:09 Nokia will never follow an advice like "replace signing GPG key with MaemoSW Admin" Jun 05 13:41:40 they mustn't replace keys on a random basis, but that's not what we need Jun 05 13:42:12 we need packages (or repos) *signed* by that SW-adm key Jun 05 13:42:19 not any keys replaced Jun 05 13:43:01 replacing keys sound friggin scary and a really bad idea Jun 05 13:44:17 please understand what Nokia/Accenture makes of your request! "OMG we are asked to replace a maemo key by one of our most secured private keys" Jun 05 13:44:40 boss: WONT happen, EVAR Jun 05 13:45:38 so again: ARE there ANY expired private keys on repo servers? Jun 05 13:45:46 that need to get replaced? Jun 05 13:47:23 or is it like that: on SSU repos there are ... files... that are signed with an expired key and those files need to get *signed* with a better (sw adm) key Jun 05 13:48:18 Nokia might be willing to sign those files, by sending them to the security department which has the private key for SW-adm, and get them back signed by that key Jun 05 13:49:12 we need to explain to them very detailed which files need that signing, so we can recover from this deadlock Jun 05 13:50:09 the poor guys CANNOT *replace* the 4.1 key by SW-adm key, since they don't get hold of SW-adm key Jun 05 13:50:50 we need to tell them which files to send to the lord keyguard who +has* access to the SW-adm key, to get them signed Jun 05 13:51:54 Also, time to replace the usb on my old n900 today, have a rework station... Jun 05 13:51:59 Should be doable Jun 05 13:52:16 use lots of flux Jun 05 13:52:24 good flux Jun 05 13:53:40 and two soldering irons: a timy one (or even reflow tool) for the electric contacts, and a 60W monster for the mech supports on those huge groundplanes that suck all heat away Jun 05 13:54:21 and protect you camrea lens with sticky tape! Jun 05 13:54:37 ah, yeah @ camera Jun 05 13:55:33 sticky tape is nice, but Kapton tape would be great. Jun 05 14:00:21 carton is the best Jun 05 14:00:30 fix it with arbitrary sticky Jun 05 14:01:15 (gpg key, mail from nokia) >>Are you going to replace signing GPG key with "MaemoSW Admin"?<< --> >>No, we won't do that.<< I can't blame them Jun 05 14:01:55 no sane user will agree to "replace key" **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 14:29:27 2013 Jun 05 15:05:08 idiot infobot Jun 05 15:18:07 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 05 15:23:33 Any sysops looking into this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90357 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 15:49:21 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 15:56:58 2013 Jun 05 16:16:46 sixwheeledbeast: not yet, since no sysop got notice of it Jun 05 16:17:34 you have now :) Jun 05 16:20:18 please open a ticket against website on bugs.maemo.org and (since this isn't correctly set up yet) send a mail with URL of ticket to techstaff at m.o Jun 05 16:21:30 if you find somebody like Falk/warfare or joerg_rw in bugs.m.o you should add them to CC of the ticket, or even to assignee Jun 05 16:23:25 and if you get a hold of andre__, you could ask him to set up the website product group correctly so it sends information mail to techstaff or even some alias I'd create particularly for that purpose, on *@m.o Jun 05 17:23:32 DocScrutinizer05, file a ticket in bugzilla against bugzilla for what is wanted. Jun 05 17:52:55 Hello! Just wondering if someone here knows an alternativ download link for the maemo flasher... Since links from maemo/nokia webpages doesnt work anymore? More specifically, flasher-3.0.amd64. Any help would be highly appreciated ;) Jun 05 17:57:26 jimrj_: tabletsdev.maemo.org Jun 05 17:57:50 jimrj_: (which also has header problems) Jun 05 17:58:53 warfare: thanks.. but that's the site I have problems with ;) Jun 05 17:59:04 as you mentioned... ;) Jun 05 18:00:17 jimrj_: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/downloads/flasher-3.0.amd64 Jun 05 18:00:19 ;) Jun 05 18:00:45 (now I need to fix this d3 stuff) Jun 05 18:00:49 warfare: thanks! Jun 05 18:12:32 andre__: nope I won't since I'm *really* busy with way more important stuff Jun 05 18:12:55 and I'm not maintainer of b.m.o Jun 05 18:14:47 neither am I a sysop Jun 05 18:15:04 nor fist level helpdesk Jun 05 18:15:11 first* Jun 05 18:15:46 tbh atm I'm the human garbage collector of autobuilder Jun 05 18:15:59 and obviously of Nemein Jun 05 18:16:46 jimrj: why or since when doesn't it work (anymore)? Jun 05 18:17:40 ~tabletsdev Jun 05 18:17:45 damn! Jun 05 18:17:53 he's gone. Jun 05 18:17:57 i am here Jun 05 18:18:23 your alter ego's gone then :) Jun 05 18:18:23 DDoS sustains Jun 05 18:18:48 DocScrutinizer05: i get this error "Duplicate headers received from server" Jun 05 18:19:11 have tried several times this week... Jun 05 18:19:20 I fixed that for tabletsdev.nokia.com Jun 05 18:19:38 However, i just read the "flashing guide" again, and saw there was an alternativ download link there, so sorry for the spam ;) Jun 05 18:19:51 *sigh* Jun 05 18:20:01 thanks for helping to debug it Jun 05 18:20:11 DocScrutinizer05: let me try some other browsers! Jun 05 18:21:21 [2013-05-31 13:14:43] <------><------>// Akamai sets this, let's not set it twice Jun 05 18:21:22 [2013-05-31 13:14:43] <------><------>//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); Jun 05 18:21:28 DocScrutinizer05: I must admit, i am quite stupid... should of tried it before going around asking people for help. I get the above mentioned error message with chrome 64bit, but not with firefox Jun 05 18:22:30 to be a bit more precice, this is the link I tested with: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0.amd64 Jun 05 18:23:13 I either comment it out then akamai/nokia.com works, or I don't comment it out then tabletsdev.maemo.org works Jun 05 18:23:45 you can't have both I guess Jun 05 18:24:32 seems to work here Jun 05 18:24:42 (this link) Jun 05 18:25:51 at least after you accepted the EULA, and then only for 120min Jun 05 18:26:40 all those links are NOT meant to be allowed for direct download Jun 05 18:28:29 you go http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php and accept eula Jun 05 18:29:03 only THEN proceed to the page where the links like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0.amd64 are offered and actually work then Jun 05 18:29:14 Anyone spot the typo on "tabletsdev.maemo.org" Jun 05 18:29:31 eh? Jun 05 18:29:38 "Instuctions for using the CLI flsher tools are" Jun 05 18:29:48 "flsher" Jun 05 18:29:58 *shrug* Jun 05 18:30:00 it's in the Maemo 5 section Jun 05 18:30:12 I know big fish and all :) Jun 05 18:30:19 s/big/bigger/ Jun 05 18:30:57 I thought whats a CLI fisher ;) Jun 05 18:32:04 to EVERYBODY: do NOT try to directly wget or otherwise download anything from tabletsdev, neither maemo.org nor nokia.com, by directly jumping to links like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0.amd64 - ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK Jun 05 18:34:40 instead, use skeiron or cloud-7 :D Jun 05 18:34:46 haha Jun 05 18:35:05 :nod: have to go through IMEI check on tabletsdev Jun 05 18:37:20 not for flasher etc, see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Jun 05 18:37:48 for fiasco images, yes Jun 05 18:38:31 honestly, go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ and find your way to what you need. That's how it's ment to get used Jun 05 18:38:55 meant even Jun 05 18:40:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/#miscellaneous offers "Linux, Mac OS X flashers" which takes you to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php and then, after accept, to a page titled "tablets-dev.nokia.com restricted downloads" Jun 05 18:41:13 which as "flasher-3.0.amd64" and other goodies Jun 05 18:41:33 and that "just works[TM]" Jun 05 18:42:38 ONLY THEN come here and ask for fixing stuff or alternative download locations, when you still have problems **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 19:32:12 2013 Jun 05 20:13:41 (gpg key, mail from nokia) >>Are you going to replace signing GPG key with "MaemoSW Admin"?<< --> >>No, we won't do that.<< I can't blame them Jun 05 20:13:46 DocScrutinizer05: ^^ is 100% sane Jun 05 20:14:03 it means you use a different key at the place where you sign the repo ... some secret nokia server Jun 05 20:14:22 says nothing about shipping the key anywhere Jun 05 20:41:53 Hey guys, Jun 05 20:41:54 Display on my N900 broke, but everything else still works, even the touch panel, just that I don't see anything. Jun 05 20:42:19 So I was able to plug the phone to PC and somehow click mass storage. Jun 05 20:42:32 Is it possible to retrieve my contacts somehow? Jun 05 20:42:38 Even when I didn't export them before. Jun 05 20:58:14 qwazix: obs upload is at ~98% Jun 05 21:03:30 DocScrutinizer05: how long does it take for a package to enter extras-devel after uploading it via the web forms? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 21:22:53 2013 Jun 05 21:30:14 Wizzup_: no idea Jun 05 21:31:25 and I#ll probably answer all similar requests from now on like "What? autobuilder *still* active? We meant to shut it down as rotten FUBAR last week already" Jun 05 21:32:04 if you wanna know why, ask sixwheeledbeast Jun 05 21:32:50 eh? Jun 05 21:33:25 DocScrutinizer05: ah, I can built it myself too if that's what is common these days. Jun 05 21:33:28 build* Jun 05 21:33:58 Wizzup_: it depends when the cronjob that builds the package kicks in. Normally about an hour. Jun 05 21:34:38 okay, it's been an hour I think. But no worries, we'll see Jun 05 21:35:05 autobuilder is a mess, I have been cleaning old packages that are causing chaos. Jun 05 21:35:19 have you checked cauldron? Jun 05 21:36:02 URLs of package? Jun 05 21:39:55 Wizzup_: I can't see anything in the build queue Jun 05 21:45:09 Wizzup_: what's the packages name? Jun 05 21:54:27 DocScrutinizer05: started to do some infra wiki as per your request, but I don't know details. Somebody in the know may need to expand. Jun 05 21:54:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure/Autobuilder Jun 05 21:56:14 sixwheeledbeast: much appreciated. If we ever find anybody to add better details, I will personally makes ure he shares them on exactly this wikipage Jun 05 21:57:01 plus http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure is the idea to remove the old page completely? Jun 05 21:57:33 no, just the obsolete content (like history of server moving to IPHH and such stuff) Jun 05 21:57:57 IPs of nemein migra#1 infra Jun 05 21:58:13 stuff that's absolutely obsolete Jun 05 21:59:53 if we "move" to a new page, then probably just block the old page since edits on that page are absolute nonsense then Jun 05 22:00:59 it's a historical document about moving to community driven infra. We grew out of it, it's not to be edited anymore. Any edits go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Infrastructure Jun 05 22:05:27 *sigh* I dunno why but today been a hard day Jun 05 22:06:23 one thing for sure: it been so due to maemo.org Jun 05 22:08:38 ok well I would leave the migration stage 1 there and lock the page for backwards reference. Only question is maintainers list, should it move to [[maemo.org_team]] page? Jun 05 22:20:16 don't move, copy Jun 05 22:20:32 and yes, maintainers list for sure is sth we want to keep up to date Jun 05 22:20:52 ooh, maemo.org_team Jun 05 22:21:22 for now I don't think the maemo.org_team page is particularly up to date either Jun 05 22:29:22 who is who and I can update. Jun 05 22:31:14 sixwheeledbeast: the small table on migration wikipage is about as up to date as it gets. We have no other maintainers or team members at large, and those on the maemo.org_team page are obsolete since 1..3 years Jun 05 22:34:33 wow I found a page I never knew of http://maemo.org/infra/ Jun 05 22:35:01 It's not completely OOD, maybe just webmaster? Jun 05 22:40:40 maybe that page is best for infra stuff, issue being it's less community accessable. Jun 05 23:00:17 sixwheeledbeast: uinput-mapper Jun 05 23:12:11 sixwheeledbeast: maybe it's not at all community accessable Jun 05 23:13:22 http://maemo.org/__mfa/asgard/object/permissions/45cafedede6211de92c717970e10cf6dcf6d/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 06 02:59:58 2013