**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 02:59:59 2013 Jun 13 03:16:08 HI, the camera-ui2 stuck a lot after I capture more then 1-2 pictures. I am not able to take pictures in row. I like CSSU, is there anyway to remove camera-ui2? Jun 13 03:16:27 Thank you. Jun 13 03:43:33 I just turned off the preview, its working absolutely fine now. Jun 13 04:28:05 Question (if anyone's around). I installed Easy Debian, and the phone self-rebooted. Now "debian lxde" instantly closes. Jun 13 04:28:17 What can I do to fix it? Jun 13 04:53:53 Getting a few stale nfs errors, seems like the chroot fs is corrupt :/ Jun 13 05:32:07 Bye bye n900 :( Jun 13 05:32:22 My micro-usb port is dead Jun 13 05:43:41 MrOpposite: fix it, find sb to fix it, or offer the device for purchase here Jun 13 05:43:49 ~usbfix Jun 13 05:43:49 [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Jun 13 05:46:28 hmm Jun 13 05:55:05 oldtopmann: yeah, sounds like that. Anyway you're lucky, stale NFS usually fixable by fsck Jun 13 05:56:46 for the reboot during installation, check for general "reboot while copying large files ..." error, and swappolube resp generic tweaks to IO-settings Jun 13 06:07:05 MrOpposite: if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask Jun 13 06:07:10 Yeah Jun 13 06:07:11 UHm Jun 13 06:07:18 I just disassembled my n900 Jun 13 06:07:37 be careful with tha flex connector Jun 13 06:07:44 and I'm holding my USB-port in one hand Jun 13 06:07:50 and the motherboard in the other Jun 13 06:07:53 now what? Jun 13 06:08:15 make a macro snapshot of the PCB where USB been, post URL here Jun 13 06:08:26 Ah Jun 13 06:08:27 Uhm Jun 13 06:08:31 Hmm Jun 13 06:08:43 Time to get creative, as my main camera is my n900 Jun 13 06:08:49 preferably even a few more than one Jun 13 06:09:11 do you have a scanner? Jun 13 06:09:45 I do, in fact, have a scanner Jun 13 06:09:47 _some_ scanners are *great* for higres-macros Jun 13 06:10:54 my old digital camera is useless on macros it seems Jun 13 06:11:00 brb, check my scanner Jun 13 06:11:35 see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ Jun 13 06:14:26 the last 6 pics are from scanner Jun 13 06:16:32 hmm, cool Jun 13 06:16:33 anyhow Jun 13 06:16:40 I didn't have the scanner drivers installed Jun 13 06:16:47 so I'm just gonna install those Jun 13 06:19:19 Hmm Jun 13 06:19:29 How do I get the part which holds the memory card loose? Jun 13 06:21:17 DocScrutinizer05 ^ Jun 13 06:23:26 gently pry it off, it's held by doublesided sticky tape Jun 13 06:23:53 be extremely carefull with the flexible part of the PCB, it's NOT fixable Jun 13 06:24:07 quite sturdy but not fixable Jun 13 06:25:48 thanks Jun 13 06:25:54 yw, np Jun 13 06:26:02 Now my "gentle prying tool" come in handy :P Jun 13 06:28:04 ps: slightly increased temperature might help a lot Jun 13 06:28:15 like ~40°C Jun 13 06:28:49 but not mandatory, just you need more patience for sticky to come off when it's cold Jun 13 06:28:58 might take a minute or two Jun 13 06:30:21 if the sticky gets too messed up during removal, just discard it (or cut off and discard the messed up parts) - it's not really needed Jun 13 06:31:25 you also can use arbitrary similar ds-stickytape and cut small stripes from it to replace the original Jun 13 06:31:40 Uhm Jun 13 06:31:45 I already pried it off Jun 13 06:31:45 http://imgur.com/a/XSQEG Jun 13 06:32:02 My scanner didn't work THAT great though :( Jun 13 06:32:16 mhm Jun 13 06:32:25 good anyway, you now have access Jun 13 06:33:04 But I think you can make out that I'm missing a pretty important part... Jun 13 06:33:22 but yeah, your scanner is even more picky with focus distance than the one I used Jun 13 06:33:36 yes, that's obvious Jun 13 06:34:14 the question is if all the 5 small pads parallel to the border of PCB are silver still Jun 13 06:34:41 I can't tell that from your scans Jun 13 06:35:12 uhm Jun 13 06:35:13 yeah Jun 13 06:35:28 then you're lucky :-D Jun 13 06:35:42 uhm Jun 13 06:35:43 no Jun 13 06:35:47 I'm quite unlucky Jun 13 06:35:51 Where did I place my usb port? Jun 13 06:35:54 soldering a new USB receptacle is basically a nobrainer Jun 13 06:36:18 found it Jun 13 06:36:22 I need a new one? Jun 13 06:36:30 you should get a new one Jun 13 06:36:40 where does one accuire a new one? Jun 13 06:36:45 unless the old one looks like perfect condition Jun 13 06:37:02 old one looks pretty abused Jun 13 06:37:03 ebay usually offers them, sometimes in packages of 10 Jun 13 06:37:10 While I have my n900 open Jun 13 06:37:18 what can I do to fix my audio port? Jun 13 06:37:27 That one is non functional as well Jun 13 06:37:32 ooooh Jun 13 06:37:51 check the locatiion where you would expect the AV receptacle Jun 13 06:38:00 you'll find there's no component Jun 13 06:38:10 clean the golden pads Jun 13 06:38:24 okay Jun 13 06:38:28 thanks for the help! Jun 13 06:38:32 clean the springs of receptacle (still sitting in plastic case) Jun 13 06:38:50 paper is best for cleaning Jun 13 06:39:01 unvarnished paper, like newspaper Jun 13 06:39:06 Okay Jun 13 06:39:11 No alcohol or similar? Jun 13 06:39:15 or some business cards are like that Jun 13 06:39:18 no Jun 13 06:39:23 no detergents Jun 13 06:39:30 ok Jun 13 06:40:02 just thoroughly (springs: carefully) rub/brush it with paper Jun 13 06:40:49 if you dare, you could *carefully* bend the springs out a 10% Jun 13 06:41:07 so they get some power again to press against the pads Jun 13 06:41:45 but be *careful* not to break them, or you'll have to get a new AV receptacle from Nokia Care (probably ~2.99USD) Jun 13 06:42:00 okay Jun 13 06:42:08 They're good now I think Jun 13 06:42:29 inspect all contacts with a mignifying glass Jun 13 06:42:34 mag.. Jun 13 06:43:27 also inspect the electric pads of USB and make sure they are no little craters lower then the surface of PCB around Jun 13 06:43:28 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-7210C-N86-C5-03-N900-Micro-USB-Charging-Block-Unit-Port-Connector-New-UK-/170826356694?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item27c60b57d6 Jun 13 06:43:37 Will that work? Jun 13 06:43:50 yes Jun 13 06:43:53 looks like Jun 13 06:44:35 I think I'll come back here when my parts arrive Jun 13 06:45:53 ok Jun 13 06:46:16 find somebody ho can actually solder those delicate things Jun 13 06:46:23 who* Jun 13 06:46:41 Okay, I guess I'll bring my half-broken n900 with me to romania in august Jun 13 06:46:50 *good* cellphone repair shops should be willing and able to do it Jun 13 06:46:54 Where the best solder guy I know lives... Jun 13 06:47:20 protect camera lens with sticka tape Jun 13 06:47:34 ah, good tip! Jun 13 06:49:18 and whoever touches the N900 PCB for repair or whatever, tell him to be damn careful with the flexible part! Jun 13 06:49:54 the memory card thing? Jun 13 06:52:56 yes Jun 13 06:53:47 will do Jun 13 06:53:50 thanks for all the help! Jun 13 06:53:55 it's not really sensible/delicate, but you can't fix it, and some dudes just don't care about it at all so it actually breaks on bending it too much Jun 13 06:54:19 the flex to screen half *is* *very* delicate Jun 13 06:54:49 ah, yes, the ribbon cable Jun 13 06:54:58 I'm not gonna let anybody touch that :P Jun 13 06:56:52 other than the charging slot and the AV jack the phone is near mint Jun 13 06:57:01 I've had it in a flipcase the whole time Jun 13 06:57:04 that's fine :-) Jun 13 06:57:15 although the flipcase is worn as hell... Jun 13 06:58:19 the flex to screen, the most delicate part (surprisingly) is the connector at end Jun 13 06:58:42 ok, why? Jun 13 06:58:45 or rather Jun 13 06:58:48 why is that suprising? Jun 13 06:59:02 it's 3 layer with vias (interconnections soldered) between the layers. Bend it and they snap open Jun 13 06:59:21 oh Jun 13 06:59:38 it's maybe a bit surprising since it looks and feels the sturdiest part of the whole flex cable Jun 13 06:59:51 it isn't Jun 13 06:59:59 yeah Jun 13 07:00:16 I guess you just saved me a bunch of money :P Jun 13 07:00:27 my pleasure Jun 13 07:00:34 I was thinking of buying the new jolla phone though Jun 13 07:01:02 I preordered yesterday - though I tried hard to not do that Jun 13 07:01:20 hahaha Jun 13 07:01:45 "noooo hand what are you doing? stop it! don't click on 'preorder'! no! nooooooooooooooo" Jun 13 07:01:50 usually I expect the companies to send those things to me for free Jun 13 07:02:07 Heh, really? Jun 13 07:02:13 ~joerg Jun 13 07:02:23 damn bot Jun 13 07:02:44 Woohoo! my replacement phone (an older nokia) had a micro SD card Jun 13 07:02:47 slot Jun 13 07:02:58 [joerg] an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer Jun 13 07:02:58 and I just slided my n900 card into it Jun 13 07:03:10 Oh, cool Jun 13 07:03:11 good MOOOOORNING! Jun 13 07:03:44 ~lazy Jun 13 07:03:46 and now I can listen to my media files even though I can't ssh Jun 13 07:04:03 ~ping Jun 13 07:04:13 omg Jun 13 07:04:29 ~+status Jun 13 07:04:44 Hard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working! Jun 13 07:04:44 ~pong Jun 13 07:04:44 Since Thu Jun 13 04:33:38 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 4 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2h 31m 5s this session, and currently reference 119071 factoids. I'm using about 18384 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 7.55/0.25 child 0/0 Jun 13 07:05:53 ~ping Jun 13 07:05:54 ~pong Jun 13 07:05:59 hmm Jun 13 07:06:01 better Jun 13 07:10:40 Hmm Jun 13 07:10:52 It feels weird having 16gb on this old phone... Jun 13 07:10:59 hehe Jun 13 07:11:27 take care, it might mess up the filesystem when you dare to write to it Jun 13 07:11:40 if it isn't designed to handle 16GB Jun 13 07:11:54 LOL Jun 13 07:12:18 My phones internal memory is not large enough to build the multimedia library from my SD card Jun 13 07:12:28 happens Jun 13 07:12:36 haha, see what I mean ;-) Jun 13 07:13:31 there Jun 13 07:13:42 removed an image and now I'm good to go :P Jun 13 07:14:21 * DocScrutinizer05 suddenly notices that with the thinkpad T500 also the cardreader went out of business and now no more way to access cards directly from my PC Jun 13 07:15:00 * DocScrutinizer05 should get a USB cardreader Jun 13 07:15:37 My phone froze... Jun 13 07:15:45 I miss my n900 :( Jun 13 07:15:47 hah Jun 13 07:16:50 ~+status Jun 13 07:16:50 Since Thu Jun 13 04:33:38 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2h 43m 12s this session, and currently reference 119071 factoids. I'm using about 18384 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8.05/0.31 child 0/0 Jun 13 07:17:13 I have a bot as well Jun 13 07:17:21 On a friends-only channel Jun 13 07:17:26 And that bot can execute python Jun 13 07:17:39 and my friends told it to calculate a gogoplex Jun 13 07:17:49 well, this one isn't "my" bot, i just have some admin privileges on it Jun 13 07:17:55 ~+chaninfo Jun 13 07:17:56 87/87 channels, 2039 users, 1494 unique: #gsoc/325, #maemo/214, #asterisk/183, #oe/144, #harmattan/117, #meego/113, #webos-internals/85, #utah/81, #wowhead/70, #bzflag/60, #/50, #maemo-ssu/43, #asterisk-dev/41, #n9/36, #slug/33, #gllug/29, #norganna/18, #brlcad/17, #storm/17, #asterisk-bugs/16, #nslu2-linux/16, #openjtag/15, ##guleague/15, #bzflag-chat/15, #gooseproject/14, #handhelds/14, #utos/12, #wowprogramming/12, ##ducleague/11, #flow3/11, ... Jun 13 07:17:58 Apparently my server was running at 100% CPU for about a week Jun 13 07:18:05 wut? 87?? Jun 13 07:18:09 ~die Jun 13 07:18:34 &echo Hi! Jun 13 07:18:34 Hi! Jun 13 07:18:50 &python import urllib1 Jun 13 07:18:50 Exception: No module named urllib1 Jun 13 07:18:52 &python import urllib2 Jun 13 07:18:53 None Jun 13 07:18:58 &part Jun 13 07:19:25 No need to have him hanging around in channels such as this, he has no reason to be here Jun 13 07:19:31 But yeah Jun 13 07:19:51 was about time Jun 13 07:20:05 ~+chaninfo Jun 13 07:20:08 86/87 channels, 2038 users, 1496 unique: #gsoc/326, #maemo/215, #asterisk/184, #oe/145, #harmattan/119, #meego/116, #webos-internals/85, #utah/81, #wowhead/70, #bzflag/60, #/50, #maemo-ssu/43, #asterisk-dev/41, #n9/37, #slug/33, #gllug/29, #norganna/18, #brlcad/17, #storm/17, #asterisk-bugs/16, #nslu2-linux/16, #openjtag/15, ##guleague/15, #bzflag-chat/15, #gooseproject/14, #handhelds/14, #utos/12, #flow3/12, ##ducleague/11, #debianppc/11, ... Jun 13 07:20:25 *cough* Jun 13 07:20:43 what's wrong? :O Jun 13 07:20:45 wasn't this 117 a few weeks ago? Jun 13 07:21:19 Dunno, I'm not that active on IRC Jun 13 07:21:30 sure sure Jun 13 07:21:51 also OT in here, I'll ask Tim (owner) Jun 13 07:26:20 woah that micro usb port is dusty! Jun 13 07:27:02 I wonder... is that data only, or can I charge from it? Jun 13 07:29:07 nope, no charging from usb Jun 13 07:32:07 This phone does NOT have true multitasking... Jun 13 07:32:32 It barely have singletasking Jun 13 08:28:21 FFS Jun 13 08:29:35 I think I can say the same Jun 13 08:29:44 I think I just bricked my backup phone... Jun 13 08:30:11 aww Jun 13 08:30:20 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 08:59:25 freenode fscks ibot Jun 13 08:59:39 they obviously changed some join policy Jun 13 09:00:07 the bot goes nuts on trying to join all the channels he's supposed to join Jun 13 09:14:10 MrOpposite: reset to factory may help Jun 13 09:15:04 there's usually a method documented in phone's manual. like press+hold 0+2+5+8 while powering on Jun 13 09:15:13 or 1+5+9 Jun 13 09:15:51 at least on devices with hw numeric kbd Jun 13 09:16:06 other devices may have a reste switch somewhere Jun 13 09:16:12 reset* Jun 13 09:16:29 sorry infobot dead Jun 13 09:19:29 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 09:19:59 microsoft infobob Jun 13 09:20:32 freenode denies any changes to /join policy Jun 13 09:20:56 nevertheless the bot gets lots of rejects, and eventually goes down completely after 10min Jun 13 09:21:06 ~+chaninfo Jun 13 09:21:14 busy like hell Jun 13 09:21:29 sth severely broken Jun 13 09:22:17 58/58 channels, 2477 users, 2042 unique: #debian/1225, #maemo/219, #asterisk/191, #meego/122, #harmattan/121, #webos-internals/84, #wowhead/68, #/50, #maemo-ssu/47, #asterisk-dev/43, #n9/38, #storm/17, #asterisk-bugs/17, #nslu2-linux/16, ##guleague/15, #bzflag-chat/15, #flow3/13, #utos/12, #wowprogramming/11, #asterisk-doc/10, #ldstech/10, ##pxe/10, ##lds/9, #buglabs/8, #catroid/8, #elive/8, #sporewiki/7, #infobot/6, #flyspray/5, #openwest/5, ... Jun 13 09:23:34 LOL Jun 13 09:23:56 RTT 71s Jun 13 09:24:20 and I bet in 5 min it goes down again Jun 13 09:24:42 also 58chan FFS Jun 13 09:24:48 been 126 Jun 13 09:41:57 15min, not 5 Jun 13 09:42:30 Dr Riker to the Emergency Room please! Jun 13 11:58:48 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer05) Jun 13 11:59:36 ~botsnack Jun 13 11:59:41 i, bot. Jun 13 12:00:09 ibot: botsnack Jun 13 12:00:31 :), DocScrutinizer05 Jun 13 12:00:34 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jun 13 12:00:44 **SIGH** Jun 13 12:01:23 anyway... Jun 13 12:01:46 all I can do for now Jun 13 12:02:16 I just hope Tim isn't in holiday as well, like marius Jun 13 12:02:34 friggin bots Jun 13 12:03:07 ~+chanset #maemo Jun 13 12:03:08 chan: #maemo (see _default also) Jun 13 12:03:08 OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default Jun 13 12:04:25 ibot: seen infobot Jun 13 12:04:36 lol Jun 13 12:08:29 I'm coming back. (courtesy of docscrutinizer05) Jun 13 12:10:19 ~chnick ibot infobot Jun 13 12:10:21 user docscrutinizer05 or ibot does not exist. Jun 13 12:10:35 uhuh Jun 13 12:11:22 ~wantnick Jun 13 12:11:57 ~wantnick infobot Jun 13 12:15:10 *double-sigh* Jun 13 12:22:34 double*double-sigh* Jun 13 13:11:04 just for those who aren't aware and might wonder: shutting down the N900 takes ~15s *after* the screen gone black and white indicator LED faded away Jun 13 13:12:16 just in case you wonder when it's safe to remove the battery - better wait another 30s after it seems like device has shut down Jun 13 13:13:37 (you can *test* it though: device is down when indicator LED comes up (fades in) when you briefly (<1s) press the power button) Jun 13 13:28:35 yea, always noticed it wouldnt turn straight back on after the led went out Jun 13 13:39:09 dman recaller doesn't record SIP calls Jun 13 13:43:12 first line of /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py: #!/bin/sh Jun 13 13:43:15 LOL Jun 13 13:43:22 .py Jun 13 13:43:30 unicode bom Jun 13 13:43:50 more like bomb Jun 13 13:43:54 yeah Jun 13 13:44:07 windows editors do that a lot Jun 13 13:46:45 IroN900:~# head -n 1 /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py|od -cx Jun 13 13:46:46 0000000 357 273 277 # ! / b i n / s h \n Jun 13 13:46:48 bbef 23bf 2f21 6962 2f6e 6873 000a Jun 13 13:46:57 and it *still* works, kudos to linux Jun 13 13:47:48 though actually, that's a weird shebang for a python prog Jun 13 13:48:01 I guess it never worked Jun 13 13:48:32 I'd bet the .desktop invokes "python /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py" Jun 13 13:52:41 hmm, no Jun 13 13:52:55 it's a widget, but where does it get started? Jun 13 13:54:30 IroN900:~# grep Exec /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.tomch.recaller.service Jun 13 13:54:31 Exec=/opt/tomch.com/recaller/recaller Jun 13 13:54:33 IroN900:~# ll /opt/tomch.com/recaller/recaller Jun 13 13:54:34 ls: Zugriff auf /opt/tomch.com/recaller/recaller nicht möglich: No such file or directory Jun 13 13:55:21 HD widgets are weird Jun 13 14:01:03 anyway: grep "#The usual way" -A28 /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/recaller.py Jun 13 15:02:16 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 15:04:32 \o/ Jun 13 16:04:30 lol Jun 13 16:04:32 ~. Jun 13 16:04:33 methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Jun 13 16:04:46 ~factinfo . Jun 13 16:04:46 . -- last modified at Mon Dec 26 01:43:05 2011 by dwc-!dwc@205.209.190.118; it has been requested 75 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 14s ago. Jun 13 16:37:33 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 16:40:49 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 17:19:03 ~fmtxd Jun 13 17:29:20 ~botsnack Jun 13 17:29:21 DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee Jun 13 17:29:38 ~listkeys txd Jun 13 17:29:40 Factoid search of 'txd' by key returned no results. Jun 13 17:29:49 ~listkeys fm Jun 13 17:29:50 Factoid search of 'fm' by key (20 of 137): airport fmo ;; binfmt-464c ;; di.fm ;; efmc ;; fmenu ;; fmscore ;; hopwfm ;; jeffm2501 ;; leafmonkeys ;; leifmadsen ;; lfm ;; libhildonfm2 ;; sfm ;; tfm ;; wafm ;; weathercode cwfm ;; weathercode fmee ;; weathercode fmna ;; weathercode fmnl ;; weathercode fmsd. Jun 13 17:30:25 merlin1991: you're sure? Jun 13 17:30:47 ? Jun 13 17:30:57 ~listvalues fmtx Jun 13 17:30:59 Factoid search of 'fmtx' by value returned no results. Jun 13 17:31:19 I was hoping there might be one Jun 13 17:51:35 ~seen chemist Jun 13 17:51:41 ~seen chem|st Jun 13 17:51:42 chemist was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 790d 17h 35m 37s ago, saying: 'it doesn't matter which mirror I try, I get "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" every time'. Jun 13 17:51:43 chem|st is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu, last said: 'Win7Mac: and again... I am no admin of m.o I am talkmaster only'. Jun 13 17:51:56 then my autocomplete is trolling me :D Jun 13 17:52:25 according to my client he is offline Jun 13 17:52:27 wtf Jun 13 17:53:10 ~ask infobot why you so drunk?= Jun 13 17:54:04 heh seems my client is drunk Jun 13 17:54:10 yeah Jun 13 17:54:28 ohwell, quassel Jun 13 17:54:46 btw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=455833#post455833 is all i found Jun 13 17:55:05 well it could also be that the various netsplits of the last days had this effect Jun 13 17:55:19 and a cloudy memory that patched fmtxd been courtesy jacekowski Jun 13 17:55:56 hist weburl/binary/* is 403 now though :/ Jun 13 17:59:34 New maemo user, Bought a used mobile from ebay. got a couple of questions. Jun 13 18:00:23 ~ask Jun 13 18:00:25 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 13 18:03:03 Okay.. I got a lot to ask. First thing is my fone was slow for about about 2 hours. I switched it off. Now when I boot it up, it shows a boot menu. when I choose the first setting. Its ot starting up. Jun 13 18:05:14 you bought it on ebay I'd start with a clean full reflash of the system Jun 13 18:05:18 ~flashing Jun 13 18:05:20 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 13 18:05:57 Well, The battery was low. Now I swapped with another battery and it boots up maemo. Why? low battery causes some issue like that? Jun 13 18:07:47 @merlin. I also thought about flashing. but before I do that, I guess I need the lock code. ?? Jun 13 18:09:32 that slow down issue is fixed somehow. I guess that too was a problem of low battery. Jun 13 18:12:15 but the major question I wanted to ask is when I try to make calls, it says cellular connection not avaible something like that. I wanted to know whether It can be fixed by flashing or is thatsome kind of operator lock.? Jun 13 18:16:59 I may go offline anytime if power fails.. here its raining heavily. Jun 13 18:19:14 Can Nokia software updater do flashing or should i use the flasher. silly doubt. Jun 13 18:20:12 saif - use the flasher Jun 13 18:20:26 also, look into live updates Jun 13 18:20:34 and you can use apt on the command line like debian Jun 13 18:20:52 and look into the CSSU, which is the community support project Jun 13 18:20:53 okay. does it require lock code bcoz i dont know the code Jun 13 18:20:57 no Jun 13 18:21:07 you need a working data connection, wireless counts Jun 13 18:21:12 and you nee droot Jun 13 18:21:13 root Jun 13 18:21:23 or go into the software app, and update Jun 13 18:21:45 okay,I am gonna flash it. Jun 13 18:21:48 the nokia page for maemo flasher is down, probably for good Jun 13 18:21:56 there is a community mirror which needs to codes Jun 13 18:22:04 check the wiki, and search the forums at maemo.org Jun 13 18:22:26 the n900 has an unlocked bootloader, and none of them are carrier branded or locked Jun 13 18:24:18 so why cant I make calls. if its not locked why is it saying like cellular network not availabe. I will go with this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and flash it. Jun 13 18:27:04 little help need to choose correct bin file. Jun 13 18:32:16 I am downloading latest vanilla 10.2010.13-2 ~250mb and latest maemo 5 release for n900 ~190. tell me if I am doing wrong. Jun 13 18:42:02 saif most of them are marked by reigon, download the one for you, Jun 13 18:42:08 should be a FIASCO image Jun 13 18:42:19 and follow the wiki on flashing on wiki.maemo.org Jun 13 18:42:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing Jun 13 18:43:53 thanks but i am already following that guide. bit worried bcoz am using win7 64. Jun 13 18:44:46 if it fails use a ubuntu or debian VM. Jun 13 19:06:18 ~pr131 Jun 13 19:06:19 i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 13 19:06:56 lockcode should be 12345 if not changed from default Jun 13 19:07:29 doing a full flash will NOT reset lockcode afaik Jun 13 19:07:35 ~lockcode Jun 13 19:07:35 i heard lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Jun 13 19:08:10 nokia page for flasher is NOT down, particularly not "for good" Jun 13 19:08:16 ~tabletsdev Jun 13 19:08:31 ~flasher Jun 13 19:08:41 GRRR Jun 13 19:08:52 infobot: botsnack Jun 13 19:10:19 sixwheeledbeast^: he left? Jun 13 19:10:41 aah no Jun 13 19:10:45 Saif: ^^^^ Jun 13 19:10:57 but bots leaving Jun 13 19:11:01 nooo am here Jun 13 19:11:11 I was looking at the links Jun 13 19:11:14 dunno? on maemo irc so basic functions only Jun 13 19:11:59 anyway, get flasher-3.5 from the nokia.com page suggested on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 13 19:12:38 bye infobot... Jun 13 19:12:41 sixwheeledbeast^: I had a reado/typo, tried to tab-expand sar Jun 13 19:14:04 so.. I alrready installed 3.12.1 Jun 13 19:15:39 sorry I dindt see the other file. will be uninstalling 3.12.1 and install 3.5 Jun 13 19:17:40 man cannot download 3.5, chrome says 'Duplicate headers received from server'. Jun 13 19:25:07 downloaded with ie Jun 13 19:26:49 3.5 flasher not compatible with win 7??? hmm Jun 13 19:27:39 well it is from 2009 Jun 13 19:28:08 as I said before if it will not work only option is a Debian VM. Jun 13 19:29:51 i had arleady installed version 3.12. will that be enough. It be easy for me to use windows Jun 13 19:30:21 only flasher-3.5 will work for fremantle. Jun 13 19:30:49 okay.. now i got it. will be downloading debian VM. Jun 13 19:31:59 by the way what about the links posted by infobot. they seem to newer versions than the links from wiki. Jun 13 19:33:52 there are multiple places to get things. If the filename is the same it's the same. Jun 13 19:38:47 ohdamn, first virus spam ever that looked semi-convincing (almost no typos and a plausible lawyer blabla, attached rogue .zip) Jun 13 19:39:47 and that effects non windows users because... Jun 13 19:40:04 latest version in the 'http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php' page is PR1.3 version 20.2010.36-2, but in infobots link its PR1.3.1 v21.2011.38-1 Jun 13 19:40:36 yes, the pr1.3.1 is under the links infobot posted before Jun 13 19:40:50 20.2010 isn't PR1.3.1 Jun 13 19:41:08 the difference is minimal Jun 13 19:41:33 agreed OTA the update Jun 13 19:42:07 he better reflashes Jun 13 19:42:28 and when he has a choice, he better goes for v21.2011.38-1 Jun 13 19:42:44 even when that increases my server traffic ;-P Jun 13 19:42:51 nod Jun 13 19:43:27 I need a justification for those 19bucks / months on my balance ;-) Jun 13 19:44:27 well you have the bandwidth now... Jun 13 19:44:45 I always had Jun 13 19:45:10 maemo.cloud-7 never had traffic issues Jun 13 19:45:47 or bandwidth problems Jun 13 19:45:59 it's a decent hetzner vserver Jun 13 19:46:50 I copy from other hetzner based URLs with wget @ 100MByte/s Jun 13 19:47:04 ;-) Jun 13 19:48:17 when I fetched a 20MB file from merlin1991's box, I thought the cmd failed, until I noticed the file been actually downloaded in 0.1s Jun 13 19:50:05 but my speeds are too low. you guys may say that I am from a third world, but its too low and tough to avoid your sleep for a slow download. Jun 13 19:50:51 I only wish for a stable connection I'd be happy with ~1M down. Jun 13 19:52:24 DocScrutinizer05: meeting next thursday I guess this is BoD meeting? Jun 13 19:52:42 sure Jun 13 19:53:07 I am not telling my speeds, bcoz you guys may get ashamed. Jun 13 19:54:45 I currently get about 200k down intermittantly. Jun 13 19:55:07 whats 10am Eastern in Zulu? Jun 13 19:56:54 Is there any latest version of vannila than 10.2010.13-2. or I think I really need not care becoz its the emmc contents. Jun 13 19:57:15 0600? Jun 13 19:59:07 ?? Jun 13 19:59:32 use the latest version Jun 13 20:00:10 I haven't got versions to hand Jun 13 20:01:03 sixwheeledbeast^, more like 1400 Jun 13 20:01:20 okay. latest from the talblets~dev page is what i got Jun 13 20:01:41 eh? eastern US? or Eastern Europe? Jun 13 20:03:46 * nox- guesst eastern u.s. Jun 13 20:03:50 guessed even Jun 13 20:04:09 are you asking me. I cant even understand the question Jun 13 20:04:37 Saif, no, sixwheeledbeast^ Jun 13 20:04:57 Saif, whats 10am Eastern in Zulu? Jun 13 20:05:03 maybe I worked it out wrong then Jun 13 20:05:13 its okay, my bad. english is not my native language. Jun 13 20:05:52 sixwheeledbeast^, TZ=America/New_York date Jun 13 20:06:06 sixwheeledbeast^, TZ=Z date Jun 13 20:06:25 tells you the time in whatever timezone Jun 13 20:09:49 heh and that even works on maemo :) Jun 13 20:11:10 nox-: is this in a terminal? I looked on openworldclock and New York is -0400 so thats 1400UTC. Jun 13 20:11:32 yeah, in a terminal Jun 13 20:11:35 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 20:12:25 mmm I didn't know that, what format must the date be in Jun 13 20:16:01 ohnoes Jun 13 20:16:09 [2013-06-13 22:15:52] [Notify] ibot went offline (irc.freenode.net). Jun 13 20:16:18 btw EDST Jun 13 20:16:34 iirc Jun 13 20:16:38 US anyway Jun 13 20:17:24 another silly quetion. You mean debian vm as a virtual machine running linux os right? If thats thecase Ive got virtual box and ubuntu image on my harddisk. will that be enough. Jun 13 20:17:42 yes Jun 13 20:17:45 yes Jun 13 20:17:53 snap Jun 13 20:18:09 saved some time.. haha Jun 13 20:19:21 sixwheeledbeast^, date is a command, tells the current time by default Jun 13 20:19:22 by the way Ive got slackware as dual boot in my PC, but I wont use it, because I am afraid of it.. :) Jun 13 20:21:45 is it 32bit ubuntu? Jun 13 20:22:40 its 12.04 amd64 Jun 13 20:23:59 ok you will have to install the flasher with --force-arch. I also seem to have trouble flashing emmc's on my amd64 Jun 13 20:25:07 again trouble with 64.. no place for a noob in this world. Jun 13 20:26:31 Jun 13 20:27:25 it worked on the latest win/mac/debian 32when released Jun 13 20:31:04 Choices are, I got a wary puppy 5.22 iso and a windows xp sp3 iso. Jun 13 20:54:25 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 20:54:52 infobot: botsnack Jun 13 20:54:52 :), sixwheeledbeast^ Jun 13 21:11:50 ~moo Jun 13 21:11:52 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. Jun 13 21:29:05 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jun 13 21:29:27 infobot? o/ Jun 13 21:44:08 Hi people, can someone tell me how can I contribute with the wazapp project please? Jun 13 21:52:03 ach noeee! Jun 13 23:01:44 resurrect, bot! Jun 13 23:02:00 AWAKE! Jun 13 23:02:25 WAKE UUUUP! Jun 13 23:02:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opU1urLhw50 Jun 13 23:03:12 cheers :) Jun 13 23:09:31 ~cheers Jun 13 23:09:32 happy christmahanakwanzakuh! Jun 13 23:11:42 apt-get moo -- AWESOME Jun 13 23:11:56 (works even on N900) Jun 13 23:12:31 ~factinfo moo Jun 13 23:12:31 moo -- created by mgeary at Fri Sep 28 15:18:07 2007 (2085 days); last modified at Thu Apr 18 20:21:06 2013 by cirdan!~chris@c-68-45-49-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 274 times, last by sixwheeledbeast^, 2h 39s ago. Jun 13 23:13:00 DocScrutinizer05: you don't need the "-- AWESOME" part Jun 13 23:13:07 on n900 at least Jun 13 23:13:11 lol Jun 13 23:13:36 do you mind some people are trying to sleep :P Jun 13 23:13:45 yep Jun 13 23:13:52 no sleep for them :P Jun 13 23:14:10 if I am AWAKE... :D Jun 13 23:14:48 BUUUG Jun 13 23:14:58 apt-get -qq moo Jun 13 23:15:06 expected: no output Jun 13 23:15:18 I really hate that sully has lost his voice just before the concert here :( Jun 13 23:16:37 Hi people which is the better way to program apps for N9 with python, PyQt or PySide? Jun 13 23:17:01 hmmmm Jun 13 23:17:06 xavinux: it makes no difference, all of them will be buggy Jun 13 23:17:20 hehehe Jun 13 23:17:31 /topic Jun 13 23:17:36 xavinux: but well, just in case, ask on #harmattan Jun 13 23:18:14 DocScrutinizer05: well, a couple of jacks :D Jun 13 23:18:16 not that we hate N9 here, it's just... they know better over there Jun 13 23:18:17 ok thank you Jun 13 23:19:18 anyone else psyched fore the jolla mobile phone? Jun 13 23:19:31 or do you think they won't ship or something Jun 13 23:19:41 depends on your definition of psyche Jun 13 23:20:06 I'm sure they will ship Jun 13 23:20:09 just when Jun 13 23:20:11 and what Jun 13 23:20:14 after the n950 seeing is believing Jun 13 23:20:18 well Jun 13 23:20:24 is not really defined yet Jun 13 23:20:26 do you think we'll see one by year's end Jun 13 23:20:42 hardly Jun 13 23:20:58 they got something on gsmarena Jun 13 23:20:59 http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php Jun 13 23:21:12 I mean: the said they want to ship end of year Jun 13 23:21:34 GI_Jack: what about n950? Jun 13 23:21:42 you don't think they step out of their way regarding that age old tradition to never keep schedules Jun 13 23:21:47 freemangordon, there isn't one in my pocket, thats what Jun 13 23:21:52 you reaaly think this is the cherry on the top? Jun 13 23:21:53 that's so popular in whole industry Jun 13 23:22:39 GI_Jack: well, I have at least one, trust me, n900 goes circles around it :) Jun 13 23:22:57 wat? Jun 13 23:23:04 SHHHH! I eventually wanna sell mine! Jun 13 23:23:06 fool Jun 13 23:23:29 DocScrutinizer05: oh, sorry Jun 13 23:23:38 the n900 is great except for two things 1) its a fucking brick 2) the software and hardware is starting to get dated to the point interoperbility is starting to lag Jun 13 23:23:43 toldya, I am a little drunk :P Jun 13 23:24:16 kernel 2.6.28 is starting to get old, so is OpenSSL 0.9.8 whatever ver of gecko shipped with firefox 3.5 Jun 13 23:24:22 glibc 2.5 Jun 13 23:24:47 GI_Jack: n950 is the next best thing after the sliced bread, DocScrutinizer05 has one to sale for 2000 EUR Jun 13 23:24:47 guess what's happening to kernel of N950 ;-P Jun 13 23:25:12 yeah, but only tonight Jun 13 23:25:21 tomorrow I will sell it for 2500 Jun 13 23:25:22 the 600 mhz single core cannot handle flash 10, versions of fennec past 8, or any replacements for flash Jun 13 23:25:40 orly? Jun 13 23:25:41 GI_Jack: you sure? Jun 13 23:25:44 yes Jun 13 23:25:48 cool Jun 13 23:25:55 there is a working compile for flash 10.1 for the n900 Jun 13 23:25:58 hand me some jack! Jun 13 23:26:11 it installs, and it runs, albiet too slow to use Jun 13 23:26:17 * freemangordon gives DocScrutinizer05 a bootle of Jack Jun 13 23:26:25 bottle even :D Jun 13 23:26:37 fennic version 8 runs, but past that is too slow to really use Jun 13 23:26:54 I wonder if someone could port kernel 3.4 Jun 13 23:26:58 fennic? dashite Jun 13 23:27:17 yeah, what else are you gonna run, try making a modern version of microb? Jun 13 23:27:18 fennec been slower than even plain FF on maemo 3 years ago Jun 13 23:27:46 whats going to run html5 on the n900 Jun 13 23:27:52 for me microB is modern enough Jun 13 23:28:03 for now, it doesn't do html5 Jun 13 23:28:18 no c'mon decide - html5 OR flash17 Jun 13 23:28:27 now even Jun 13 23:28:55 I heard opera still runs fine Jun 13 23:29:01 modern version Jun 13 23:29:03 ?? Jun 13 23:29:16 GI_Jack: yeah, make up your mind, HTML5 or flash Jun 13 23:29:25 both Jun 13 23:29:28 and you maybe should test freemangordon's zumbified version of microB Jun 13 23:29:33 GI_Jack: BTW ever heard of embedlite? Jun 13 23:29:36 no Jun 13 23:29:42 I'd rather have html5 if I had to pick Jun 13 23:29:42 google of it Jun 13 23:29:52 IPCLite is the other name Jun 13 23:30:07 freemangordon: you know dat factoid? Jun 13 23:30:10 ~cssu-thumb Jun 13 23:30:11 methinks cssu-thumb is [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 Jun 13 23:30:21 :P Jun 13 23:31:09 GI_Jack: I have n950, gave it to my GF and still using n900. Guess why Jun 13 23:31:26 (besides the fact I love my GF) Jun 13 23:31:46 freemangordon: any complaints from her wrt the hwkb bug? Jun 13 23:31:51 who wants to pet gorillas the whole day long? ;-P Jun 13 23:32:04 rikanee: yep Jun 13 23:32:29 and I flashed pr1.3 hoping the bug is resolved Jun 13 23:32:39 no difference Jun 13 23:33:06 hwkbd bug? Jun 13 23:33:18 rikanee: I guess you mean the bug when you have the second letter un uppercase, ain't? Jun 13 23:33:24 *in Jun 13 23:33:26 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at his n950 Jun 13 23:33:30 freemangordon: yep Jun 13 23:33:38 LOL Jun 13 23:34:03 how do I switch from CSSU stable to CSSU thumb? Jun 13 23:34:20 HAH :-D Jun 13 23:34:23 DocScrutinizer05: if you type too fast (for the device), you have auto-cap acting not only on the first letter, but on the second and eve on the third Jun 13 23:34:25 is it as simple as following the link? Jun 13 23:34:30 yep Jun 13 23:34:47 GI_Jack: it is as simple as following the instructions Jun 13 23:35:30 freemangordon: ok, no bother. I don't use fancy shit like auto-capitals Jun 13 23:36:08 gonna try thumb Jun 13 23:36:11 DocScrutinizer05: well, I guess you dont use your n950 too much Jun 13 23:36:17 was the 1. Thing i switched off Jun 13 23:36:28 the best parts of the n900 came from the community some only after its been somewhat obsolete Jun 13 23:36:29 indeed Jun 13 23:36:32 otherwise you'll see that VKB is more usefull that HWKB Jun 13 23:36:38 * DocScrutinizer05 blows off the dust Jun 13 23:36:50 eeeew Jun 13 23:36:53 HWKB on n950 has nothing to do with the one on n900 Jun 13 23:37:03 yep, true DAT Jun 13 23:37:09 not that it is bat, it is just too big Jun 13 23:37:14 *bad Jun 13 23:37:37 n950 kbd is amont the ... two worst kbds I ever got my claws on Jun 13 23:37:39 or maybe one just need to be used to it, don;t know Jun 13 23:37:51 *needs Jun 13 23:38:17 no, it's a epic failure in ME Jun 13 23:38:40 only kbd of eten glofiish M800 is worse Jun 13 23:39:00 you have zilch feedback where the keys are Jun 13 23:39:10 since all is flush in one plane Jun 13 23:39:14 DocScrutinizer05: could be, my first device with full qwery is n900, so I am spoiled Jun 13 23:39:24 shit Jun 13 23:39:27 QWERTY Jun 13 23:39:33 much better :D Jun 13 23:39:56 ok, the m800 had not even gaps between the keys Jun 13 23:40:16 but that's only marginally worse than n950 Jun 13 23:40:55 DocScrutinizer05: well, maybe if one use it for some time..., who knows Jun 13 23:41:23 though I needed 1 day to feel comfortable on n900's KB Jun 13 23:41:27 we had looong debates which kbd is better, n810 or n900. But there never been a debate about n950, it's plain crap Jun 13 23:41:44 yeah :( Jun 13 23:42:29 the N900 keyboard felt perfect for my gorilla hands, imo. Jun 13 23:42:42 I like the N900 KB Jun 13 23:42:46 rikanee: what? Jun 13 23:42:50 just took some adjustment to get used to BlueArrow, but I could type pretty quickly on it. Jun 13 23:42:54 aah, sorry Jun 13 23:42:55 not to talk about hw kbd integration into HARM, I guess that hasn't really changed a lot since very first firmware. And why should it, since... nobody has a n950 Jun 13 23:43:45 DocScrutinizer05: I bet that if something works with HWKB it is by chance Jun 13 23:43:47 freemangordon: I was able to get a feel for the N900's HWKB pretty easily, but getting used to reach out to Blue Arrow was a bit hard Jun 13 23:43:55 :nod: Jun 13 23:44:15 rikanee: I just misread what you said Jun 13 23:44:24 freemangordon: aah. Jun 13 23:44:36 I found the n810 kbd harder to handle in *that+ regard Jun 13 23:44:53 * freemangordon already said he is a little drunk :) Jun 13 23:45:10 shhhh, don't give it away Jun 13 23:45:19 so, I assume everyone here can touch-type on the N900 ;) Jun 13 23:45:19 :P Jun 13 23:45:45 touch-type? Jun 13 23:46:32 rikanee: yes Jun 13 23:46:57 though we still lack good portrait VKB Jun 13 23:47:03 DocScrutinizer05: Open an X-Terminal, and mount a partition without looking at the device. Jun 13 23:47:15 np ;-P Jun 13 23:47:45 rikanee: impossible, everything is auto-mounted :P Jun 13 23:47:47 sh-ctl-x Jun 13 23:47:50 root Jun 13 23:47:54 hfttfehs Jun 13 23:48:07 mount /media/mmc Jun 13 23:48:08 freemangordon: oh, right, thanks to Pali's new ke-recv Jun 13 23:48:17 yep Jun 13 23:48:41 DocScrutinizer05: there is no /media/mmc :P Jun 13 23:48:45 not when you get a blacklist ;-D Jun 13 23:49:12 *SIGH* Jun 13 23:49:18 DocScrutinizer05: but ofc. TW it won't work without a battery too Jun 13 23:49:26 *BTW Jun 13 23:50:01 yeah, and you can't mount the uSD upside down Jun 13 23:50:09 :D Jun 13 23:50:42 DocScrutinizer05: on a serious side, did merlin1991 make the new CSSU-T? with a fixed tinymail. Jun 13 23:51:12 how much is an unused lumia800 on fleabay? Jun 13 23:51:21 this brick annoys me now Jun 13 23:51:28 freemangordon: I'm still awake, and still working, no cssu action yet :/ Jun 13 23:51:29 hmm? Jun 13 23:51:39 merlin1991: ah, ok Jun 13 23:52:11 merlin1991: working on the GF takes priority, I know :p Jun 13 23:52:24 I got a hooker sitting on my desk ;-P Jun 13 23:52:43 well the GF in this case is a buildscript for an arm project Jun 13 23:52:47 shiny Jun 13 23:52:49 great fun working on that ;) Jun 13 23:52:50 DocScrutinizer05: wish you luck Mr Kane Jun 13 23:52:59 I am installing CSSU-Thumb, it wants to add the CSSU testing catalouge, is this neccary(I don't want testing) Jun 13 23:53:14 GI_Jack: yes, it is. Jun 13 23:53:19 and guess what, I wanna sell it Jun 13 23:53:25 GI_Jack: thumb is ontop of testing, you won't get around testing if you want thumb Jun 13 23:53:37 GI_Jack: read what is written there, it is not that much Jun 13 23:54:33 DocScrutinizer05: you want to sell a hooker?!? Jun 13 23:54:49 I thought you are an EE? Jun 13 23:54:58 dang, it needs three cssu maintainers incl chief maintainer of cssu-t and chief of cssu-thumb to convince GI_Jack Jun 13 23:55:41 I AM KNOWN BY MANY NAMES Jun 13 23:56:24 DocScrutinizer05: well, we are just kidding him, we know he'll have his device bricked n about 20 minutes or so Jun 13 23:56:31 I am installing CSSU thumb now Jun 13 23:56:52 10 minutes then Jun 13 23:56:54 still trying to find the right type of funk to put on the GSM modem to keep it working Jun 13 23:57:12 ugh Jun 13 23:57:18 funk? Jun 13 23:57:30 pogo? Jun 13 23:57:32 in this case "glue" Jun 13 23:57:32 * freemangordon asks google translate Jun 13 23:58:06 lil steel springs are the trick Jun 13 23:58:17 DocScrutinizer05: ooh, sissy Jun 13 23:58:19 DocScrutinizer05, half the trick Jun 13 23:58:25 there are steel springs in there new Jun 13 23:58:26 now Jun 13 23:58:27 or maybe good elastic foam Jun 13 23:58:40 and they pop the shielding off with too much vibration Jun 13 23:58:48 LOL Jun 13 23:58:56 springs held in with super glue Jun 13 23:58:58 jack in the box Jun 13 23:59:02 otherwise they'd get knocked loose Jun 13 23:59:09 sure Jun 13 23:59:20 with liquid rubber on top to prevent it from smacking the metal part of the body or making electrical contact Jun 13 23:59:22 seems to work alright Jun 13 23:59:23 you probably should consider reflow Jun 13 23:59:49 but I think I am going to try and hold the sides down with liquid rubber, or mabey I'll get some RTV silcone gasket maker Jun 13 23:59:53 that stuff is awesome Jun 13 23:59:55 DocScrutinizer05: BTW do you know if anyone had succesfully reflowed that? Jun 13 23:59:57 liquid qersome Jun 14 00:00:06 reflow as in? make a new one? Jun 14 00:00:16 (GSM module) Jun 14 00:00:21 ~wiki reflow Jun 14 00:00:26 damn bot!!! Jun 14 00:00:31 hot air soldering Jun 14 00:00:37 kill him. kill him with fire Jun 14 00:00:56 seems its dead, jim! Jun 14 00:00:57 ahh Jun 14 00:01:10 hm finally, my buildscript is taking form Jun 14 00:01:23 freemangordon: actualy... when I come to think of it, not really Jun 14 00:01:25 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, it could be IR i guess Jun 14 00:01:42 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, my thoughts exact Jun 14 00:02:25 but I already got a reflow station for the time I run into a n900 with cmt defect Jun 14 00:03:02 merlin1991: wanna help. trust me, right now I can make a working script noone can grok, including me ;) Jun 14 00:03:14 it just sounds too plausible to doubt it could work Jun 14 00:03:28 freemangordon: it's already beyond being grokable Jun 14 00:03:44 eeeeek it lives Jun 14 00:03:46 merlin1991: ooh, nice. I like code like that Jun 14 00:04:00 that hooker suddenly started vibrating Jun 14 00:04:06 it's written in python, and dynamically imports bits from everywhere and uses about every single syntax shortcut there is in python Jun 14 00:04:30 I'm amazed it even works :D Jun 14 00:04:32 DocScrutinizer05: turn off the bi red thing and she'll settle Jun 14 00:04:37 *big Jun 14 00:06:12 * freemangordon hates python, jave, basic... and all the other interpreter stuff Jun 14 00:06:25 java even Jun 14 00:07:07 I dunno I sort of like python, but php, basic, and other I don't :D Jun 14 00:07:24 merlin1991: ever seen basic?!? Jun 14 00:07:44 this shit is dead for the last 15 years! Jun 14 00:07:55 well *visual basic* not the old old basic :D Jun 14 00:08:03 aah Jun 14 00:08:44 well, VB and basic are different kinds of beer Jun 14 00:09:20 VB is compiled actually Jun 14 00:10:51 true Jun 14 00:10:56 but there is also vb script ;9 Jun 14 00:11:15 which is VB script, not VB :p Jun 14 00:11:46 the same as JScript and Java Jun 14 00:12:05 which reminds me... Jun 14 00:12:40 DocScrutinizer05: how is rough humor tolerated here? Will I be banned? Jun 14 00:13:16 however Jun 14 00:14:44 is there anyway you guys could make the software manage faster + less full of fail Jun 14 00:15:31 GI_Jack: ofc no, we are paid to make it as much slow as we can Jun 14 00:15:48 figured as much, damn Jun 14 00:16:06 and we are doing our best Jun 14 00:16:30 if it is not slow enough, please file a bug Jun 14 00:19:06 VBA Jun 14 00:19:27 and I actually had to use VB (and VBA) only 12 years ago Jun 14 00:20:02 DocScrutinizer05: merlin1991: you know what is the similarity between Java and anal sex? The fact they are applicable for everyone doesn't make them something good. Jun 14 00:20:51 I thought that's basic Jun 14 00:21:04 no. it is about java Jun 14 00:21:23 applicable for everyone? Jun 14 00:21:58 basic has never been ported (afaik) on anything else but apple and 808x Jun 14 00:22:00 you mean it can be done to everyone, not that everyone knows how to do it? Jun 14 00:23:00 DocScrutinizer05: no, i men that you can fuck both men and wimen, the same way you can code Jave on win, linux, unix,... Jun 14 00:23:06 *mean Jun 14 00:23:14 shit Jun 14 00:23:22 freemangordon, so your telling me, using java is a little like taking it up the ass? Jun 14 00:23:30 guess it is time to have some sllep Jun 14 00:23:43 hrrrhrrhrrr Jun 14 00:23:48 GI_Jack: hmm, not exactly Jun 14 00:24:17 I guess I actually have to find my chanop hat in the wardrobe Jun 14 00:24:33 yeah :D Jun 14 00:25:08 DocScrutinizer05: on the other hand.. I don;t see much of on-topic discussions Jun 14 00:25:37 there are other giudelines I might have to consider Jun 14 00:25:41 ;-) Jun 14 00:26:29 but actually I'm too bored now, to consider anything except heading to TV Jun 14 00:26:40 ok, I don't mind being kicked, I was supposed to be in bed 1 hour ago :D Jun 14 00:27:03 infobot been faster than you Jun 14 00:27:45 GI_Jack: what I meant is that the fact your java app is cross-platorm doesn't make it something good ;) Jun 14 00:28:23 cross-platform even Jun 14 00:28:47 freemangordon, I was making a joke about the user experiance and security holes over the years Jun 14 00:29:12 and my general opinion on java Jun 14 00:29:31 GI_Jack: sorry, I missed that one, I already explained I was a little drunl Jun 14 00:29:36 awesome Jun 14 00:29:45 drunk Jun 14 00:29:46 as soon as I leave work, me too Jun 14 00:29:58 not a little anymore :D Jun 14 00:30:41 however, going to have some sleep, night guys Jun 14 00:30:47 g'night Jun 14 00:34:08 user_: vi, is that you? Jun 14 00:34:44 hmm, sems like no Jun 14 00:34:49 shit Jun 14 00:34:54 dang, I think #debian has a ban on user* and on *_ and *__ Jun 14 00:34:56 anyway, I am out Jun 14 00:37:06 I guess I should set a mode +bbbb user user_ user__ user___ get a proper nick first! Jun 14 00:38:23 and +bbbb *__ *___ *____ *_____ your epeen is too eee **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:59:58 2013