**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 19 02:59:58 2013 Jun 19 06:37:30 Hi guys, i could make boot-flash disk from my microSD within my nokia Jun 19 06:37:34 But i have a question Jun 19 06:38:12 I made a partition sda1 over 410MB and place there rescuecd, but i'd like to use this flash as a storage for nokia as well Jun 19 06:38:34 What file system do i have to place on a second partition ? Jun 19 06:38:36 vfat ? Jun 19 06:39:08 Currently, N900 tells me i have corrupt flash disk installed in. But if i switch to USB Stroage Mode, i can boot from! Jun 19 07:32:51 XATRIX: you can use basically whatever you like on 2nd partition, though i'd probably suggest ext3. Anyway the stock fremantle can't mount more than one partition automatically, and it will frown on anything that's not VFAT Jun 19 07:33:31 in CSSU we have a improved ke-recv and relatives, that do automounting for basically everything, even for multiple partitions Jun 19 07:35:08 I gather your first partition is a CD ISO-image though, and I dunno if that's supported at all, you might have to blacklist this partition from mounter-script (now I finally found out why I insisted on including that blacklist function there \o/) Jun 19 07:36:13 with the needed fs driver modules you might try a mount -t iso9660 or sth Jun 19 07:39:50 DocScrutinizer05: Where's the auto-mounter script is ? Jun 19 07:40:11 Yes, seems like i have iso9660 for sda1,and vfat fro sda2 Jun 19 07:40:19 But it's not goona be mounted Jun 19 07:42:49 try mount manually Jun 19 07:47:33 and check cssu-t changelogs Jun 19 07:51:45 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.fpaste.org/19555/37162829/ Jun 19 07:51:52 That's my curent mounts Jun 19 07:52:38 looks good Jun 19 07:52:38 mmc1 - actually mounted my livecd image Jun 19 07:52:47 I can see the contents of Jun 19 07:52:54 /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /media/mmc1p2 type vfat Jun 19 07:53:04 Seems like p2 mounted also, there's no files yet Jun 19 07:53:23 But my maemo file manager does show anything related except Nokia N900 Jun 19 07:53:24 looks like you're already using cssu Jun 19 07:53:27 No SD card Jun 19 07:53:48 Ah Jun 19 07:53:52 crap, wait Jun 19 07:54:05 My file manager doesn't show Nokia N900 | SD Card Jun 19 07:54:34 It shows now = Nokia N900 | 538,5 mb volume | Sysrcd-3.7. Jun 19 07:54:40 O_O Jun 19 07:54:53 So i just noticed flopswap Jun 19 07:54:58 time to ditch shell scripts Jun 19 07:55:10 swapflop? Jun 19 07:55:15 flopswap Jun 19 07:55:23 whatever flop Jun 19 07:55:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap Jun 19 07:55:44 never heard about flopswap Jun 19 07:56:26 too bad i had to remove swapset before it worked Jun 19 07:56:37 swapset automounts any swaps it finds Jun 19 07:56:43 on boot Jun 19 07:58:04 that sounds bad Jun 19 07:58:10 it turns removing the uSD into a kernel panic Jun 19 07:59:04 freemangordon: Yo Jun 19 07:59:12 freemangordon: WTF is going on in your city? Jun 19 07:59:23 kerio: yes Jun 19 07:59:30 kerio: it doesnt seem to notify you of it either Jun 19 07:59:43 so i was wondering how the fuck i ended up with several swaps mounted without me doing anything Jun 19 07:59:56 (besides install swapset) Jun 19 08:01:15 ooh, sixwheeledbeast Jun 19 08:02:49 well, that flopswap sounds good Jun 19 08:04:01 yeah, flopswap seems a nice solution Jun 19 08:04:04 the nicest i found so far Jun 19 08:21:34 and how is flopswap better than a cron script? Jun 19 08:22:32 At 3am check to see that keyboard is closed and screen is off (means it is probably asleep), swap on/swap off etc. Jun 19 08:24:35 the 'probably' in there already ruined it for me Jun 19 08:25:01 Seriously? Jun 19 08:27:37 i had scripts like that before, like a GUI a bit better Jun 19 08:27:45 so i can see for myself how much swap has been written Jun 19 08:27:50 which swap is actually in use, etc Jun 19 08:28:05 and a bit easier to use Jun 19 08:28:16 its not inherently better than a cron script Jun 19 08:28:40 but it has big butonz i can press Jun 19 08:45:45 DocScrutinizer05: whan i connect my nokia as a data storage will it represent sc card as a 1 disk, or it will feed it to windows as per partition ? Jun 19 08:46:56 afaik per partition Jun 19 08:47:28 I.E. each exported partition makes for a separate storage device iirc Jun 19 09:14:11 yes, SD card is exported as a whole Jun 19 09:14:19 so if your SD card has partitions, the OS will see partitions too Jun 19 09:14:40 as opposed to this, the flash memory will be exported differently - only the MyDocs partition gets exported Jun 19 09:14:58 this BTW also means that if you, like I do, have swap on external SD card, and use mass storage mode... Jun 19 09:15:08 you should be careful not to touch that partition from the PC's OS :P Jun 19 09:32:22 The trouble i faced here. I plug my SD card using the microSD adapter to PC and made sda1(vfat)+sda2(iso9660(boot)) partitions Jun 19 09:32:44 Then i applied it to Nokia, then exported as a Storage mode Jun 19 09:32:48 why would you use this second partition? Jun 19 09:32:52 still... this is supposed to work Jun 19 09:33:06 wait a sec Jun 19 09:33:54 Now i boot my windows and see Removable Disk 29,28GB in Disk management console Jun 19 09:34:02 And it has H: Jun 19 09:34:25 until here it sounds all good Jun 19 09:34:33 But unknown partition Jun 19 09:34:44 is the size the size of the VFAT partition? Jun 19 09:35:29 it doesn't see it as a vfat partition. Also, i have the second partition about 1024 (that's my iso9660) Active(bootable) But has no assigned disk letter Jun 19 09:35:36 unless you already did this, I recommend you to do the partitioning and formatting as VFAT from Windows, if you want to be sure that Windows can read it Jun 19 09:35:43 They all looks like unformatted Jun 19 09:35:52 did you create the partitions from Linux? Jun 19 09:35:57 Yes Jun 19 09:36:01 that is it probably Jun 19 09:36:04 mkfs.vfat Jun 19 09:36:04 when creating the partition Jun 19 09:36:09 how did you partition? Jun 19 09:36:15 the thing is, you should be asked about a partition type Jun 19 09:36:20 and it defaults to a "Linux partition"\ Jun 19 09:36:25 which windows will not even try to probe Jun 19 09:36:29 Ah Jun 19 09:36:35 Yes, i remember Jun 19 09:36:36 you can fix it now, by using fdisk on Linux again Jun 19 09:36:43 and setting the partition type to something VFAT Jun 19 09:36:48 this will not delete any data Jun 19 09:36:52 Ok Jun 19 09:37:11 there is multiple VFAT related types, I have no idea which is the right one Jun 19 09:37:15 in the past I always guessed right Jun 19 09:37:18 W95 FAT Jun 19 09:37:23 so if it does not work, try another sounding like FAT Jun 19 09:37:32 Ok Jun 19 09:37:44 there is IIRC also some LBA one, which sounds more right... but I have no idea Jun 19 09:37:55 never had any issues with guessing yet :P Jun 19 09:38:07 or, check some USB stick that works, and see which type that oen uses :P Jun 19 09:38:46 I wonder why i can't do it with N900 using ssh ^^ Jun 19 09:40:26 maybe no fdisk installed? Jun 19 09:40:30 I never tried Jun 19 09:51:05 I don't even have fdisk in my package :)))0 Jun 19 09:51:17 apt-get install fdisk - gives me nothing :) Jun 19 09:52:11 Hm... i changed my part types to W95 FAT (LBA) both Jun 19 09:52:20 And was able to formart sda1 Jun 19 09:52:43 In windows... But windows doesn't want to formart my second partition Jun 19 09:58:44 windows has notoriously bad or none support for partitions and filesystems Jun 19 09:59:44 windows 7 still has bad and seems still none support for more MBR partitions on SD cards for 3rd IFS filesystems Jun 19 09:59:59 rather use some linux for formatting Jun 19 10:02:38 I'm not sure there's *any* particular partition type you could use for an ISO9660 image Jun 19 10:03:44 in MBR? Jun 19 10:03:54 yes Jun 19 10:04:00 yes, there is no MBR partition ID for iso9660 Jun 19 10:04:02 Yes, but i'm going to formart this small partition as FAT32 , aquire a letter for a drive (e.g G:) and write the image to the disk G: using UltraISO Jun 19 10:04:26 no surprise, since ISO9660 is sipposed to be MBR-less Jun 19 10:04:28 But i can't format it as fat32 :) Jun 19 10:04:48 do not use windows for it Jun 19 10:05:01 it is OS which cannot do what you want Jun 19 10:05:16 use cfdisk or sfdisk on N900 Jun 19 10:05:27 I prefer cfdisk Jun 19 10:05:30 sfdisk is preinstalled on n900 Jun 19 10:05:38 yes, but cryptic Jun 19 10:06:06 I'm still using fdisk & gdisk because both tools doing what I want Jun 19 10:06:24 I suggest you make your ISO9660 the *first* partition Jun 19 10:06:33 I have no cfdisk, nor sfdisk installed in PR1.3 ) Jun 19 10:06:38 (and not what programmers think that I should want) Jun 19 10:06:47 will most probably work better for boot-"CD" Jun 19 10:06:57 DocScrutinizer05: Doesn't matter the order of, i checkd Jun 19 10:07:04 mhm Jun 19 10:07:09 fine then Jun 19 10:07:28 for bootCD there is el-torito iso image. that iso image contains fat32 bootable partition Jun 19 10:07:35 I'm quite surprised that your BIOS is accepting this obfuscated setup Jun 19 10:07:58 XATRIX: and yes, you have sfdisk Jun 19 10:07:58 :)))) Jun 19 10:08:03 now bioses checking only active(boot) partition Jun 19 10:08:03 i have no Jun 19 10:08:19 sfdisk is needed by rcS-late Jun 19 10:08:31 so if you do not have sfdisk, your maemo is not bootable anymore Jun 19 10:08:53 let's see Jun 19 10:09:01 yes, you have! Jun 19 10:09:03 ~ # ls -l /sbin/sfdisk Jun 19 10:09:05 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 45160 Aug 24 2012 /sbin/sfdisk Jun 19 10:09:32 you just don't have sbin in your user's $PATH Jun 19 10:09:40 sfdisk is part of busybox :-) Jun 19 10:10:00 http://imgur.com/5Dpfe5I - that's what i receive when i try to formart my 1GB partition Jun 19 10:10:03 so if you do not have sfdisk --> you do not have busybox --> you do not have maemo 5 :-) Jun 19 10:10:38 you right, i have sfdisk :( Jun 19 10:10:42 XATRIX: do not use f*cking windows system for formatting which does not support it :-) Jun 19 10:10:50 ) Jun 19 10:11:04 so you either become root and check/fix your $PATH, or invoke /sbin/sfdisk, or busybox sfdisk Jun 19 10:12:17 http://www.fpaste.org/19577/36725137/ - what a mess :) Jun 19 10:12:49 toldya ;-P Jun 19 10:12:49 DocScrutinizer05: Yes, it was my fault, i cound't locate sfdisk Jun 19 10:12:54 install cfdisk! Jun 19 10:13:43 should my /dev/mmcblk0 look like on my paste Jun 19 10:13:43 ? Jun 19 10:14:21 /dev/mmcblk0 is eMMC and it is OK Jun 19 10:14:52 /dev/mmcblk1 is your SD card with 2 partitions (second marked as "bootable") Jun 19 10:15:11 Cfdisk warns me about: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder. Press any key to exit cfdisk Jun 19 10:15:13 :)))) Jun 19 10:15:13 XATRIX: what you want to do? Jun 19 10:15:57 I have mmc2 = 32GB , i want 1partition=31GB , 2nd=1GB(boot) Jun 19 10:16:34 1partition=fat32(to use as a standard) ,and 2nd - will be systemrescuecd installed by syslinux Jun 19 10:18:00 XATRIX: backup your SD card and repartition it again from sfdisk/cfdisk Jun 19 10:18:11 ok, i've done Jun 19 10:18:23 now it's parted properly Jun 19 10:18:41 after repartition, create 1st filesystem and then via dd (or something else) copy there your rescue Jun 19 10:18:47 don't forget to mark part2 as bootable Jun 19 10:18:54 /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 3696 3822- 127- 1014472 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Jun 19 10:18:56 Should i graver Fat32 using mkfs.vfat ? on a first parititon Jun 19 10:18:58 this is bad ^^^ Jun 19 10:19:02 DocScrutinizer05: sure Jun 19 10:19:08 begin: 3696 end:3822 Jun 19 10:19:14 end < begin Jun 19 10:19:16 ^^ Jun 19 10:19:26 Currenly i have proper values Jun 19 10:19:46 /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 927825 927826- 29690424 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Jun 19 10:19:46 /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 927826 959455 31630 1012160 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Jun 19 10:19:46 /dev/mmcblk1p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty Jun 19 10:19:46 /dev/mmcblk1p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty Jun 19 10:19:57 ok, this looks ok Jun 19 10:20:09 run mkfs.vfat on /dev/mmcblk1p1 Jun 19 10:20:17 Why does it tell me about p3 and p4 ? Jun 19 10:20:31 since all MBR have 4 partitions Jun 19 10:20:46 because MBR always have 4 partitions Jun 19 10:20:48 vfat is done Jun 19 10:20:49 the data structure is defined that way Jun 19 10:20:57 Ah Jun 19 10:21:41 And the last one - ~#sync :) Jun 19 10:21:49 to flush buffers Jun 19 10:21:59 yeah, good idea Jun 19 10:22:18 + sleep 5 Jun 19 10:22:41 ? Jun 19 10:22:48 since even after sync returns, the flash controller might still be busy writing back last block to flash Jun 19 10:23:04 inside the uSD Jun 19 10:23:19 O_O windows now detects it as ONE partition G: 27GB Jun 19 10:23:34 wow Jun 19 10:23:51 so it ignoring second partition :D Jun 19 10:23:52 After i exported using USB Jun 19 10:23:54 you already copied your ISO to p2? Jun 19 10:23:56 perfect OS Jun 19 10:23:57 Nope Jun 19 10:24:06 mhm Jun 19 10:24:12 I have 2 paritions + 2 vfats Jun 19 10:24:16 you did a mkfs.vfat on p2? Jun 19 10:24:22 yeap Jun 19 10:24:40 is that a yes? Jun 19 10:24:44 Now i should have 2 FAT32 partitions Jun 19 10:24:47 yes Jun 19 10:25:14 ah...crap wait Jun 19 10:25:20 It's not even flash Jun 19 10:25:24 It's mmc0 Jun 19 10:25:35 eh? Jun 19 10:25:39 O_O where the hell are flash disks :( Jun 19 10:26:42 Holy crpa... it wasn't exported by nokia... Simply the eMMC was. Now i did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 just to make sure if everything is ok Jun 19 10:26:55 and windows disk manager - found it O_O Jun 19 10:27:33 you removed and re-inserted uSD after changing partition table? Jun 19 10:27:52 But i have the same trouble as i described on a screenshot Jun 19 10:27:58 No i didn't extract Sd Jun 19 10:28:11 Simply plug in the USB-cable Jun 19 10:28:18 (sfdisk has a call to a kernel function that re-reads the partition table. cfdisk doesn't afaik) Jun 19 10:28:46 but cfdisk comes with a bold warning about that issue Jun 19 10:29:02 Yea, down the screen Jun 19 10:29:33 Currently i end up where i started. My second partition is unusable Jun 19 10:29:42 But the first one does well Jun 19 10:29:48 removing back cover suffices anyway Jun 19 10:30:04 suffices ? Jun 19 10:30:07 well, what did you do? Jun 19 10:30:31 did you dd the iso9660 to part2? Jun 19 10:30:38 Negative Jun 19 10:30:44 SD is empty now Jun 19 10:31:44 1 did 2 partitions ,assined OC flag on it, mkfs.vfat both, exported to windows via USB Jun 19 10:31:47 I don't like the "-" and "+" in your sfdisk listing Jun 19 10:31:56 1st partition is ok, the second is not Jun 19 10:32:34 /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 927825 927826- Jun 19 10:32:40 what should i check ? Jun 19 10:32:49 /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 927826 Jun 19 10:33:07 maybe it's not critical ? Jun 19 10:34:01 you should unplug, open and close back cover, then plug again Jun 19 10:34:15 first of all Jun 19 10:34:21 Maybe i can try the way, make one big partition, write cd image to, then devide/resize it on 2 partitions using parted ? Jun 19 10:34:39 OMG why? Jun 19 10:35:04 This way definatly works, i tried today morning Jun 19 10:35:09 on 1GB sd card Jun 19 10:35:38 What does the unpluggin of back cover ? Jun 19 10:35:41 bbl Jun 19 10:35:52 Is there a secret button inside ? Jun 19 10:41:11 XATRIX: magnet Jun 19 10:41:23 it unmounts the sdcard upon removing back cover Jun 19 10:41:46 cool ) Jun 19 10:41:50 no Jun 19 10:41:56 not if swap is on sd:P Jun 19 10:42:21 I hope it doesn't demagnet data on it ;) Jun 19 10:42:24 well, when you remove the uSD it breaks anyway Jun 19 10:42:43 so what's wrong with magnet switching it off gracefully? Jun 19 10:42:55 it's your swap that's not working correctly ;-P Jun 19 10:44:08 or your uSD card that's flawed in that it needs hysical contact to the device, to operate Jun 19 10:44:17 physical Jun 19 10:44:58 you wouldn't renove backcover anyway, except for removing uSD or even whole battery Jun 19 10:45:59 removing the backcover is not equal to removing the sdcard, therefore unmounting the sdcard when removing the backcover is overzealous Jun 19 10:46:10 its like my shower starts to spray me wet the moment i enter my bathroom Jun 19 10:46:13 of course Nokia could've built in a servo lock into backcover that allows opening it up only after you umounted every partition on uSD Jun 19 10:46:39 they could have done a lot for the n900 hw :) Jun 19 10:46:45 ill agree on that Jun 19 10:47:22 flopswap does 'solve' that kind of nicely Jun 19 10:47:31 it has a big button to move swap back to mmc Jun 19 10:47:44 or whatever its called, the device itself Jun 19 10:47:49 doesn't help either when you don't use it Jun 19 10:48:02 eMMC Jun 19 10:48:10 oh yeah, the e Jun 19 10:48:15 e like embedded Jun 19 10:48:35 would be nice to have some built-in solution for swap in cssu Jun 19 10:48:39 whatever form it may take Jun 19 10:48:50 and whatever one classifies as a 'solution' Jun 19 10:48:55 very important matter in N900 world Jun 19 10:49:01 simple: 512MB additional RAM Jun 19 10:49:07 thats not as easy Jun 19 10:49:17 my solution is a small shell script I run on every startup from xterm manually Jun 19 10:49:26 swap was an awful idea to begin with Jun 19 10:49:30 that does swapon to a MMC partition, then lets me enter the master password generator key Jun 19 10:49:32 on a "phone" Jun 19 10:49:43 creates a ramdisk for part of gconf (the modest accounts) Jun 19 10:49:46 and fills in the passwords Jun 19 10:49:47 jaska: I tend to agree Jun 19 10:50:24 i just use the flopswap method now, but havent been using it long enough yet Jun 19 10:50:40 flopswap? Jun 19 10:50:50 some gui for swap management, kind of Jun 19 10:51:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap Jun 19 10:51:08 its rather limited and simple, but does the job Jun 19 10:51:13 wtf... why TWO swap parts on SD? Jun 19 10:51:23 so you can swap between em when one gets fragmented Jun 19 10:51:23 to switch between them Jun 19 10:51:30 so you dont have to switch between eMMC and SD Jun 19 10:51:36 which reduces wear on the emmc Jun 19 10:51:51 and increases defragment time by 2 Jun 19 10:52:01 no shit Jun 19 10:52:10 sometimes it would take scary long to move swap back to eMMC Jun 19 10:52:13 still... probably makes no sense Jun 19 10:52:19 two times swapon&&swapoff Jun 19 10:52:23 yeah Jun 19 10:52:25 it's not like the N900 stays up that long that swap fragmentation is an actuasl issue Jun 19 10:52:29 it doesnt? Jun 19 10:52:34 mine certainly does Jun 19 10:52:34 for uSD->eMMC and then eMMC->uSD Jun 19 10:52:42 mine crashes about once every 2 weeks Jun 19 10:52:47 divVerent: ooh? Jun 19 10:52:48 my n900 basically only reboots when i have to or when i forget to recharge Jun 19 10:52:49 and in that time, swap fragmentation is no issue Jun 19 10:52:50 which isnt often Jun 19 10:52:51 or rather Jun 19 10:52:56 I notice no speed diff before and after reboot Jun 19 10:53:00 mine never crashes Jun 19 10:53:00 heh Jun 19 10:53:05 well Jun 19 10:53:09 sometimes it crashes hard... Jun 19 10:53:13 mine neither Jun 19 10:53:14 but sometimes I just forgot to charge in time Jun 19 10:53:22 or I power it off BEFORE battery goes totally empty Jun 19 10:53:34 hard crashes seem to happen especially with opera mobile, but I still need this browser Jun 19 10:53:40 mainly because I need tabs and microb sucks Jun 19 10:53:43 but also due to opera turbo Jun 19 10:53:44 hard crashes with opera mobile? Jun 19 10:53:45 wtf? Jun 19 10:53:50 saves a LOT of bandwidth on mobile Jun 19 10:53:56 Lava_Croft: I am not saying opera CAUSES them Jun 19 10:53:56 actually in 5(?) years I haven't seen more than 2 freezes from mass cp, and no unsolicited reboot ever Jun 19 10:54:02 but I only use few programs Jun 19 10:54:13 opera mobile, openmediaplayer, penpen, and that notepad thing Jun 19 10:54:15 the only hard reboot i got also killed the n900 Jun 19 10:54:19 and got me a replacement Jun 19 10:54:26 yeah, the only ones ive had were from using dd on a very large file (was trying to provoke it) Jun 19 10:54:29 hard crash whatever Jun 19 10:54:32 maybe it was not frozen but just took long :P Jun 19 10:54:39 I am impatient sometimes Jun 19 10:54:45 well, OMP hangs these days upon first launch after boot Jun 19 10:54:51 yes, know that Jun 19 10:54:54 no matter if you have 10k songs or 0 songs Jun 19 10:54:55 does not annoy me much though Jun 19 10:54:57 it is only like 10 sec Jun 19 10:54:59 i tested that when reflashing Jun 19 10:55:02 10s for what Jun 19 10:55:07 10s that werent there before Jun 19 10:55:16 for showing the dialog "single file or whole folder" Jun 19 10:55:20 before what? Jun 19 10:55:28 OMP didnt always hang 10s upon boot Jun 19 10:55:29 or more Jun 19 10:55:33 oh, didn't know that :P Jun 19 10:55:37 its something of the latest or near-latest version Jun 19 10:55:39 it just is not long enough to annoy me yet Jun 19 10:55:47 it is for me, OMP is the app i use 90% of the time Jun 19 10:55:51 there is 4 version of omp in apt... maybe the previous does not have the issue? Jun 19 10:56:02 yes, but it hits me only once per reboot Jun 19 10:56:05 and once every 2 weeks is ok Jun 19 10:56:09 its only once per reboot, yes Jun 19 10:56:14 but since it seems like a regression, it annoys me more Jun 19 10:56:17 well, 2 weeks is the AVERAGE quota... Jun 19 10:56:21 probably would annoy less if it was always there:D Jun 19 10:56:26 always has been there* Jun 19 10:56:27 recently I fulfilled this reboot quota by rebooting to try if it fixes an OMP bug Jun 19 10:56:39 the u/v color swap :P Jun 19 10:56:43 ah yewahj Jun 19 10:56:47 yeah* holy Jun 19 10:56:54 which was however rather a bug only in the zoomed in view Jun 19 10:58:47 zoomed in window? how'd you zoom a window? Jun 19 10:59:35 I know we once a long time ago had that zoom function in MHD, in cssu, but it got removed since it ... was buggy ;-P Jun 19 10:59:46 since it was sucking Jun 19 10:59:53 my god that was as useless as the iphone zoom feature:D Jun 19 11:00:02 it was a great way to show how good n900 screen is tho Jun 19 11:01:11 aah. hildon zoom. Jun 19 11:01:15 terrible feature. Jun 19 11:01:51 what the hell Jun 19 11:01:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bKgf5PaBzyg Jun 19 11:02:03 John McAfee about McAfee antivirus... Jun 19 11:02:06 NFSW language Jun 19 11:02:20 nsfw in general, i just notice Jun 19 11:16:23 hmm Jun 19 11:16:36 didn't John McAfee totally lose it though? Jun 19 11:17:15 I dunno if that's funny Jun 19 11:17:27 last I heard he was in Belize doing super-coke Jun 19 11:19:24 rikanee: there's a distinct difference between what media reports and what actually takes place Jun 19 11:33:40 How/where will the BoD-meeting take place tomorrow, can it be attended somehow? Jun 19 11:34:18 good question, though probably a question best asked to BoD Jun 19 11:35:21 http://hildonfoundation.org/news/ is clueless Jun 19 11:35:49 Woody14619 ^^^^ - got a clue? Jun 19 11:37:46 http://www.concert-oh.com is also clueless Jun 19 11:38:42 they probably have a conference call on phone? Jun 19 11:40:37 ~seen Woody14619 Jun 19 11:40:40 woody14619 is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu, last said: 'There may not been a need. Technically, a majority of directors need only inform the secretary of an action for it to count, even outside of a meeting. (Been brushing up on PA law: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/15/00.017.027.000..HTM'. Jun 19 11:42:42 ^ that was some time ago... Jun 19 11:42:44 Woody14619: ping Jun 19 11:45:36 haha Jun 19 11:45:44 Woody14619: this last message reminds me SO MUCH of "Yes, Minister" :P Jun 19 11:46:19 haha Yes, Minister Jun 19 11:46:24 thanks you for making me remember Jun 19 11:46:56 reminds me the part of where the meeting notes are written in advance... Jun 19 11:47:02 and it doesn't matter AT ALL what they actually will say Jun 19 11:47:07 also, written by their secretaries Jun 19 12:00:39 sixwheeledbeast: here? Jun 19 12:01:10 DocScrutinizer05: yes I on my half hour lunch, wazzup? Jun 19 12:01:29 sixwheeledbeast: I get a tad tired reading thru http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87985&page=7 and on, so pondered I tell you directly...: Jun 19 12:02:07 ... Jun 19 12:02:31 on one of my devices /proc/diskstats has swap on mmcblk0p3 while on other device it's on mmcblk1p3. Both devices in /proc7swaps claim swap to be on mmcblk0p3 Jun 19 12:03:07 it's a frequently seen problem that some of the /proc/* nodes don't learn about the rename Jun 19 12:03:31 during early boot eMMC is mmcblk1 when there's a uSD inserted Jun 19 12:04:31 since physically the uSd is on controller0 Jun 19 12:04:46 which gets checked first by kernel Jun 19 12:05:10 * DocScrutinizer05 feels reminded on windozre driveletter mess Jun 19 12:08:11 what worries me is that t900 (the device with /proc/diskstat -> 179 3 mmcblk0p3 37691 61599 794648 1649023 2684 37941 325000 332406 0 442109 1981390) has a uSD as well, but it's actually the IroN900 that has 179 11 mmcblk1p3 16338 49135 523896 170515 2988 36601 316712 174640 0 192242 345070 Jun 19 12:09:08 :-S Jun 19 12:12:48 nevertheless, for the chanlog then: yes, I removed my uSD on IroN900 and opened browser and checked that swap is increasing (= getting used) Jun 19 12:13:52 windows and drive letters is awesome if you have no clue what you are doing! Jun 19 12:14:42 http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f Jun 19 12:18:25 BTW, as for uptime of N900... just need to do another reboot - CSSU update :P Jun 19 12:26:28 DocScrutinizer05: sorry about that got disconnected again. I didnt think diskstats had any information about the type of drive only it's number mmcblkXpX Jun 19 12:27:12 yes Jun 19 12:28:38 * sixwheeledbeast goes to check logs ... Jun 19 12:28:40 I actually wonder myself how to pick the right one of mmcblk?p3, particularly when you got a uSD that also has 3+ partitions Jun 19 12:30:12 I guess you could check which one is "used" by watching for changes which maybe even are in sync with changes in /proc/swaps output Jun 19 12:31:48 it's yet to get verified if you *always* have swap on mmcblk1p3 in /proc/diskstat when there's a uSD inserted during boot Jun 19 12:33:02 I anyway was able to verify by removing uSD before doing the http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f Jun 19 12:34:15 http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted Jun 19 12:54:07 AH... finally got rid of the stupid icon moving above background when switching desktops Jun 19 12:54:09 it is called parallax Jun 19 12:58:57 yes, and tunable in transitions.ini Jun 19 13:03:10 DocScrutinizer05, my response to the questionnaire thread, assuming you were hmm?-ing me last night. Jun 19 13:03:21 aah Jun 19 13:04:00 quite a wall, but a good read Jun 19 13:05:46 I actually cut it down a fair bit, too. O_o Jun 19 13:10:10 XATRIX: (blacklist) see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-07-16.log.html#t2012-07-16T23:00:12 Jun 19 13:11:27 DocScrutinizer05: thnks Jun 19 13:13:35 GeneralAntilles: I think chem|st's answer is absolutely illegible Jun 19 13:14:36 * DocScrutinizer05 feels like reading a SIEMENS so called 10-finger-manual (you need all 10 fingers for "bookmarks" to jump between references and definitions) Jun 19 13:15:21 also needlessly offensive against renob who wasn't even adressing chem|st directly Jun 19 13:16:20 :nod: Jun 19 13:18:22 only I forgot to mention the take on supporting Harmattan assets. love to see that too Jun 19 13:18:47 Win7Mac: yours as well are 2nd halves of complete sentences that make no sense unless each time scrolling to post#1 for the question Jun 19 13:20:09 should I quote the Qs? Jun 19 13:20:14 actually 3) isn't Jun 19 13:21:14 or better rework answers? Jun 19 13:21:42 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how you wrote those answers. Did you copy the questions, answer them and then delete them from your text? Or did you have two tiled windows on your screen? Jun 19 13:23:53 I opted for the primary Jun 19 13:24:03 ;-) Jun 19 13:33:10 well, see GeneralAntilles for both how to write answers in a correct way as well as what I for one really appreciate regarding the ideas expressed by the answers Jun 19 13:35:00 The beauty of a good answer is that it tells a very small, coherent story! :D Jun 19 13:35:31 nothing wrong with answering more terse (maybe), but for sure reducing it to just the few words needed to "how do you complete that sentence? "When I was a BoD member, I would..." is a bit hard to read for everybody Jun 19 13:35:44 Lava_Croft: indeed Jun 19 13:36:11 a math teacher that just explains the numbers is bleh Jun 19 13:36:16 the best ones were those with the small stories Jun 19 13:36:30 i always see it as a kind of PR Jun 19 13:37:03 well, more like advertising/commercials Jun 19 13:38:37 ok, thanks guys. will edit them later Jun 19 13:38:46 as a rule of thumb, for anything but the shortest replies, an answer should make sense even when not knowing the detached question Jun 19 13:39:43 some of the "answers" in that track are not even correct complete sentences Jun 19 13:39:44 thats why confirmation that you understood the question, which usually takes the form of incorporation the question itself into your answer Jun 19 13:39:51 right, that's what I always tell the interviewee when I ask them... Jun 19 13:39:51 is so important Jun 19 13:40:01 my god the heat is affecting my ability to process long sentences Jun 19 13:40:04 and then type them out Jun 19 13:40:27 ~weather eddn Jun 19 13:40:31 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2013.06.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.88 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 20%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 93 F (34 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Towering cumulus clouds observed; Wind: from the ESE (120 degrees) at 20 MPH (17 KT) Jun 19 13:40:54 +weather ham Jun 19 13:40:57 70% humidity here Jun 19 13:41:00 and 25celsius Jun 19 13:41:07 ~weather ham Jun 19 13:41:09 I can't find station code "HAM" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 19 13:41:10 hubba bubba air Jun 19 13:42:21 eeew Jun 19 13:42:42 ~weather 10850 Jun 19 13:42:47 I can't find station code "10850" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Jun 19 13:43:46 ~weather EDDH Jun 19 13:43:49 Hamburg-Fuhlsbuettel, Germany; (EDDH) 53-38N 010-00E 15M; last updated: 2013.06.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 59 F (15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 40%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 86 F (30 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable) Jun 19 13:44:01 thanks ;) Jun 19 13:45:05 DocS, where do you "sit"? Jun 19 13:47:20 N obviously ;-) Jun 19 13:47:24 ~icao Jun 19 13:47:26 i heard icao is an International Civial Aviation Organization code, often useful in finding weather stations. See http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/ to lookup a code. Jun 19 13:47:44 ivao?? Jun 19 13:50:10 ~icao is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code Jun 19 13:50:12 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jun 19 13:52:53 god, icao.int is sooo fsckup a website Jun 19 15:25:11 Win7Mac, Am updating election booth & need a real name to for you. (Must list real name and board nick for elections.) Your m.o account lacks real name. Jun 19 15:28:14 Woody14619: Gido Griese Jun 19 15:28:54 see my candidate declaration: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013#Gido_Griese_.28win7mac.29 Jun 19 15:30:34 Woody14619, is tomorrows BoD-meeting somehow attendable? Jun 19 15:32:47 Recently my n900 does not seem to ring on calls anymore. Jun 19 15:33:18 I saw this mentioned on a forum post or two. I don't seem to find an open bug about this in the bugzilla. Jun 19 15:33:26 Is the bugzilla being used? Jun 19 15:33:48 DocScrutinizer05: what is GUIDEC? Jun 19 15:35:36 vi__: nfc Jun 19 15:35:43 6 letters? Jun 19 15:37:01 It is something to do with GSM or something. Jun 19 15:37:08 Thought you might know. Jun 19 15:37:12 TY anyway. Jun 19 15:47:31 tzafrir, not by Nokia. Jun 19 15:48:38 Nokia still involved with the n900? Jun 19 15:49:28 I installed the recent compunity SSU updated, so I figured Nokia is not really there Jun 19 15:56:47 Nokia not, no. Jun 19 15:56:56 nokia does not care about n900 about 2/3 years Jun 19 16:05:00 Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009. Jun 19 16:08:51 18<vi__> Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009. <-- word. Jun 19 16:18:22 Win7Mac, Yes, just got the mail for setup: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/meetingDetail/eqod3YTInq6M_VAnCLQaAA== Jun 19 16:19:26 Woody14619, MANY THANKS! I'll try to join Jun 19 16:41:41 Woody14619: it seems it's not yet made a public meeting, and the link is not suited to join meeting without account at least Jun 19 16:42:17 probably you need an account anyway for that congross-ohno shit Jun 19 16:42:32 just saying Jun 19 16:42:43 yeah, you do Jun 19 16:42:51 ...need to register Jun 19 16:43:09 status: "öffentlich und offen" Jun 19 16:43:48 then why it's not showing up on http://www.concert-oh.com/web/home under "public meetings"? Jun 19 16:44:31 it actually *is* Jun 19 16:44:53 DocScrutinizer05, The meeting is public and open, it says so right on the linked paged in "Visibility". You do need to make an account to access the meeting. Considering it's a free voice conference service, with web-enabled joining, it seems a minor detail to give them a throw away e-mail address. Jun 19 16:46:32 The previous one is also still listed, and can be played from archive: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/meetingDetail/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA== Jun 19 16:47:00 meh, I won't join AV-conferences anyway Jun 19 16:47:35 too exhausting, my audio-processor and speech-parser is not dimensioned for that Jun 19 16:47:53 what?! :( Jun 19 16:48:12 I don't even understand the recording, not when I hear it 5 times Jun 19 16:48:33 grab some headphones Jun 19 16:48:39 so what? Jun 19 16:48:51 listen to some nice music while meeting passing by? Jun 19 16:49:39 ...listen to meeting, no need to talk Jun 19 16:49:48 no need for cam Jun 19 16:49:48 furthermore I don't even have a microphone on my PC Jun 19 16:50:07 mee too! Jun 19 16:50:09 I _will_ _NOT_ listen to any meeting Jun 19 16:50:41 yeah, got it now. what a pity Jun 19 16:51:21 I'm not used to listen to people talking even in German, since 20 years Jun 19 16:52:01 you _could_ comment though (old school typing stuff on KB) ;-) Jun 19 16:52:01 and I hardly get a word of CNN news Jun 19 16:52:56 consider it a special case of deaf Jun 19 16:53:33 *selective deafness... ;) Jun 19 16:53:45 no, general deafness Jun 19 16:54:35 at times I hardly understand german speakers Jun 19 16:55:33 I can do 1:1 peer to peer conversations, usually Jun 19 16:55:50 I can't however switch between different spreakers rapidly Jun 19 16:56:25 doc, hmm... visit you doc probably ;) Jun 19 16:56:50 to do what? Jun 19 16:57:19 to cure your deafness Jun 19 16:57:21 get a certificate that allows me grabbing seat in subway from grannies? Jun 19 16:57:42 probably even that! Jun 19 16:57:53 tzz, I have other stuff to cure when I visit my doctor Jun 19 16:58:21 ok, no details pls Jun 19 17:04:20 * sixwheeledbeast is back Jun 19 17:04:39 sorry about that before DocScrutinizer05 Jun 19 17:04:52 Bad internet and had to get back to work Jun 19 17:06:43 You made reference to these: http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 Jun 19 17:10:52 flopswap has to have swaps in 0p3, 1p2 and 1p3 to work. Jun 19 17:13:14 yes Jun 19 17:14:28 but your flowswap probably gets confused when /proc/swaps says "mmcblk0p3" but in /proc/diskstats there's only a "mmcblk1p3" (which happens to be the same) Jun 19 17:15:12 I have yet to see this happen, or have any reports of issues... Jun 19 17:15:25 doesnt this happen with no uSD? Jun 19 17:15:27 look at my pastebin Jun 19 17:16:56 when you boot system with uSD the in early boot uSD is mmcblk0 and eMMC is mmcblk1. Later during boot those devices get swapped, but that doesn't take effect for /proc/partitions, /proc/diskstat and probably a few others Jun 19 17:17:11 it however DOES take effect for /proc/swaps Jun 19 17:17:51 since - I guess - the renaming is done before swapon Jun 19 17:18:30 and no, this doesn't happen without uSD since then the eMMC is mmcblk0 Jun 19 17:18:36 s/doesnt/does/ Jun 19 17:18:36 so these are two different devices? do they both have uSD cards installed? Jun 19 17:18:37 sixwheeledbeast meant: does this happen with no uSD? Jun 19 17:19:10 since the kernel names first device it detects mmcblk0 and the next one mmcblk1 (a.s.o.) Jun 19 17:20:10 [2013-06-19 14:34:15] http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted Jun 19 17:21:18 and this http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f is after I removed uSD on that device Jun 19 17:21:41 (I did some browsing to bump up cache) Jun 19 17:23:25 How many swap partitions do you have? Jun 19 17:24:07 I'm waiting on the other device for the calibration cycle to finish, then I'll reboot that one with and without uSD - that's however a PR1.2++ with hostmode kernel Jun 19 17:24:52 sixwheeledbeast: how is number of my swap partitions relevant? I haven't even installed flopswap Jun 19 17:26:20 I just checked whole tmo thread if your flopswap handles this insane device-renaming somewhere, and since I didn't find anything I thought I introduce the issue to you Jun 19 17:27:13 Well thank you. I wasn't aware and haven't had any issues yet. I will look into it. Jun 19 17:27:45 I have yet to see a device with 0p1 0p2 0p3 missing in diskstats Jun 19 17:27:54 like your pastebin Jun 19 17:28:16 you usually won't since that only happens when you remove uSD Jun 19 17:28:49 the usual situation is that you see both 0p? and 1p? just they are *swapped* Jun 19 17:28:55 SCRN ;-D Jun 19 17:29:03 SCNR even Jun 19 17:29:37 I noticed it by the size in /proc/partitions Jun 19 17:29:49 since my uSD is only 16GB Jun 19 17:30:11 Well flopswap pushes swap to 0p3 (emmc) before ejecting the uSD Jun 19 17:30:43 well, that's fine since after renaming the names apply to swapon as well Jun 19 17:31:07 just you usage-calculation will deliver absolutely bogux values Jun 19 17:31:14 at this point flopswap calculations are disabled until 1p2 and 1p3 reappear. Jun 19 17:31:52 still you calculate the values for eMMC when you calculate anything Jun 19 17:32:31 eh? Jun 19 17:34:43 you determine the active swap by cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 3 Jun 19 17:35:26 this returns mmcblk0p3 Jun 19 17:37:08 the statistics you acquire via blocks=$(awk '{if ($3=="'"$disk"'") print $10}' /proc/diskstats) however.. Jun 19 17:37:36 returns the statistics for uSD for disk=mmcblk0p3 Jun 19 17:37:53 and eMMC for for disk=mmcblk1p3 Jun 19 17:39:28 but AFAIK if swap is 0p3 this is ignored and "Not available on Device Swap" is displayed. Jun 19 17:39:56 peterl wrote a large part of this script. Jun 19 17:40:33 I.E. when both mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 are present in /proc/diskstats and you assume the uSD has been inserted at boottime already, then you need to use 0p3 for statistics when proc/swap says 1p3, and you need to use 1p3 for statistics when /proc/swaps says 0p3 Jun 19 17:41:39 I haven't looked into that script, I thought if it had such special handling then this would've been mentioned in tmo thread or by you here in IRC today, meanwhile Jun 19 17:44:01 you can easily reproduce the proof: disable flowswap resp move swap to eMMC. do Jun 19 17:44:04 cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 3 Jun 19 17:44:07 and Jun 19 17:44:29 cat /proc/diskstats Jun 19 17:44:56 then remove uSD (nothig should happen since swap is on eMMC, right?) Jun 19 17:45:05 and do both commands again Jun 19 17:45:45 you'll instantly notice the problem when you carefully compare the device names in proc/swaps and proc/diskstats Jun 19 17:46:12 if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it Jun 19 17:46:20 thank you very much for bringing it to my attn. unfortunately g2g. I will look into this and what you just suggested. Jun 19 17:46:32 :-) Jun 19 17:47:15 I would be interest of your opinion of the scripts if you have time to poke in the sources. thanks a lot. Jun 19 17:47:38 sure, will try to find some time to look into them Jun 19 17:53:11 HI again, i tried multiple times, and can't make my mmc1 work with 2 partitions Jun 19 17:53:38 It can work (boot) with one, but the other is unreachable by windows Jun 19 17:53:43 in storage mode Jun 19 17:54:05 it detects 2nd partition, but unable to do anything with it Jun 19 17:56:10 that's what I told you from beginning Jun 19 17:58:47 a CD isn't supposed to have a MBR Jun 19 17:59:19 so, bogus MBR, bogus partitions Jun 19 18:00:40 while maybe your BIOS is able to use that "device" for booting, your windows has no clue how to handle a harddisk that has one partition that's a CD Jun 19 18:02:43 CDs are not supposed the be a partition among others on a HDD Jun 19 18:03:37 no no no Jun 19 18:03:42 i was able to boot from Jun 19 18:03:58 Even i was able to access partition from windows Jun 19 18:04:13 that's why I said "there's no partition type ID (like 81) for ISO9660" Jun 19 18:04:30 but the second one - i created , fat32 for music,pics,porn - wasn't able to mount in windows Jun 19 18:04:53 yes, since no CD ever has a second partition Jun 19 18:05:14 hmmm....but my primary is not a cd Jun 19 18:05:18 wait a sec Jun 19 18:06:02 that doesn't matter since, as I said two lines up, no HDD has a CD as second partition Jun 19 18:06:08 neither as first Jun 19 18:07:17 fwiw, it's a windows thing Jun 19 18:07:24 when your BIOS detects that device as a CD, then probably windows will refuse to look for any partitions on it, since the BIOS tells windows about the type of device. And even when not told by BIOS, I'd guess windows is confused to hell by such a setup Jun 19 18:07:27 because iso9660 is a perfectly legit filesystem Jun 19 18:07:51 NOT as a partition Jun 19 18:08:13 why? :V Jun 19 18:08:28 because iso9660 has not assigned MBR id Jun 19 18:08:44 for same reasons you can't have a physical drive as partition of a physical drive Jun 19 18:09:15 but... `mount -t iso9660 partition mountpoint` :( Jun 19 18:09:16 there's no way to have MBR in MBR in MBR Jun 19 18:09:19 http://imgur.com/a/jbW8J#0 - a few pics Jun 19 18:09:19 why can't i do that? Jun 19 18:09:22 screenshots Jun 19 18:09:23 on linux you can :-) Jun 19 18:09:25 yay Jun 19 18:09:26 or phy dev in phy dev in phy dev Jun 19 18:09:31 $ partx Jun 19 18:09:35 $ kpartx Jun 19 18:09:44 :D Jun 19 18:10:17 ISO9660 is a format for a physical device Jun 19 18:10:30 and thus has no MBR Jun 19 18:10:39 DocScrutinizer can you look at my pics ? Jun 19 18:10:52 and thus is supposed to be only "partiton" of that phy device Jun 19 18:11:07 DocScrutinizer05: I think that El-Torito bootable CD needs some FAT32 partition Jun 19 18:11:12 XATRIX: no, since I donno what to look for Jun 19 18:11:25 Pali: possible Jun 19 18:11:32 to look for prove of my statement Jun 19 18:11:38 i could write MBR Jun 19 18:11:49 so what? Jun 19 18:11:50 syslinux v4 Jun 19 18:11:58 it's not iso9660 Jun 19 18:12:03 this is only way how to make CD bootable (embed bootable fat32 partition into iso9660 image) Jun 19 18:12:46 if you want bootable iso9660 CD image also bootable from HDD/USB, use isohybrid Jun 19 18:12:52 yeah, but still you cant have another partion outside or in parallel to iso9660 on same physical drive Jun 19 18:13:04 DocScrutinizer why i can use multiple partiotion on a standard USB flash disk ? and boot from it ? Jun 19 18:13:18 you can use grub2 for that :-) Jun 19 18:13:28 syslinux Jun 19 18:13:36 XATRIX: you don't use ISO9660 on USB memstick Jun 19 18:13:42 you can tell grub2 that second partition is iso image and you want to boot from it Jun 19 18:14:05 DocScrutinizer05: why ? Jun 19 18:14:12 XATRIX: or use isohybrid Jun 19 18:14:13 because Jun 19 18:14:32 because a USBstick is no CD Jun 19 18:14:41 ISO9660 *is* a CD format Jun 19 18:14:44 bios cannot boot from any iso9660 partition (also stored on CD) Jun 19 18:14:45 ok... what's the difference between nokia mmc1 and USB memstick? Jun 19 18:14:50 *only* CD format Jun 19 18:14:56 bios can boot only from embeded FA32 partition Jun 19 18:15:03 yes i know it Jun 19 18:15:17 and if you want bootable CD you must include bootable FAT32 partition to iso image somehow Jun 19 18:15:31 what's the crucial difference between ? Jun 19 18:15:39 between what? Jun 19 18:15:40 Why i can't do the same witch nokia ? Jun 19 18:15:54 USB memstick vs Nokia mmc1 exported Jun 19 18:16:08 XATRIX: when you dd a iso-image to a partition, you ruin the vfat that's on it Jun 19 18:16:10 this could be same Jun 19 18:16:59 DocScrutinizer05: it's pretty clear for me.... how should i make the same boot disk on nokia, as i did with USB memstick ? Jun 19 18:17:02 if you want to boot from ISO image stored on USB memstick (= nokia mmc1), then you first need to make iso image hybrid (by isohybrid) and second you must dd it to full mmc1 device Jun 19 18:17:08 without any partition Jun 19 18:17:21 isohybrid will create proper MBR table in iso image for booting Jun 19 18:17:29 i'd say the same way you did on usb stick ;-) Jun 19 18:17:48 yes, same way Jun 19 18:17:58 if that fails then you got one of those "usb-sticks" (here N900) that can't get used for booting Jun 19 18:18:19 how could it be? Jun 19 18:18:21 Pali, usually i use LiveCdCretaor, or Write the image using UltraISO, it does FAT32+syslinux as long as i know Jun 19 18:18:22 just export the image Jun 19 18:19:01 I currently have 8GB USB memstick, 1partition(2GB) - systemrescuecd , 2nd patition(6GB) - NTFS (video,music,pics) Jun 19 18:19:02 so do it on mmc1 Jun 19 18:19:10 I can't Jun 19 18:19:18 It doesn't support >1 partition Jun 19 18:19:24 right Jun 19 18:19:26 Or i do something wrong Jun 19 18:19:42 and you cannot create more parts also on usb memstick? Jun 19 18:19:52 that's because N900 doesn't export physical device then Jun 19 18:20:04 Pali: actually i can create as many as i need Jun 19 18:20:07 I said that from beginning Jun 19 18:20:09 n900 export full SD card Jun 19 18:20:17 The question, is why i can't reproduce it with mmc1 ? Jun 19 18:20:21 but from eMMC export only MyDocs Jun 19 18:20:33 and I doubt that Jun 19 18:20:45 DocScrutinizer05: It doesn't export device ? Jun 19 18:20:45 XATRIX: anwser can be: because windows Jun 19 18:21:04 :( Jun 19 18:21:50 I already wrote that windows has bad or none support for raw access, more partitions and other fs... Jun 19 18:22:00 Yea Jun 19 18:22:04 i'd go for a proper partitioning of a regular HDD, and forget abozut friggin ISO9660 image Jun 19 18:22:07 That's crap Jun 19 18:23:07 if you want any linux on your mmc1 do: create MBR parts as you want; format parts; copy all linux files to part(s); install syslinux to MBR; add syslinux config file for loading kernel Jun 19 18:23:24 this will work for *any* (normal) linux distribution Jun 19 18:23:37 for that you'd have to *copy* the CD ISO *content* to first partition (vfat) of your uSD, logical aka file level Jun 19 18:23:43 you can replace syslinux by *any* (normal) bootloader which can load & boot linux kernel Jun 19 18:23:46 lopmount for that Jun 19 18:23:50 loop* Jun 19 18:24:02 Yes, but i wanna have a working partition for files,docs,music as well Jun 19 18:24:06 so i have to have 2 Jun 19 18:24:10 if it's possible Jun 19 18:24:37 not to dedicate 32GB for 400MB systemrescuecd image/files :) Jun 19 18:24:38 XATRIX: use above steps and do not use windows... Jun 19 18:24:44 ok :) Jun 19 18:24:45 yes, just copy *content* of your CD to first partition Jun 19 18:24:52 this new N900 battery (chinese import) is great... gone 13-14hours w/o complaints of low battery! Jun 19 18:25:03 :))))))))))))))))) Jun 19 18:25:05 and this is with 3G enabled Jun 19 18:25:21 ds3: you didn't see russain Siberian analog of chinese battery ) Jun 19 18:25:40 if everything fails, you burn a CD from that ISO, mount the cd and copy the files you find there to first partition of your uSD Jun 19 18:25:51 XATRIX: nope. Jun 19 18:25:52 ok, i'll experiment a bit more Jun 19 18:26:00 and this one didn't require a new door or anything Jun 19 18:26:52 I bet there are lot of "how to" on internet for rescue linux distributions and how to "copy" them to any partition with syslinux Jun 19 18:26:57 honestly forget about ISO9660 on a USB stick Jun 19 18:27:31 it might work as long as there's no MBR before the start of ISO image Jun 19 18:27:31 ISO9660 on a USB stick can be only via isohybrid Jun 19 18:27:40 so the PC thinks it's a CD drive Jun 19 18:27:43 and this doing now all linux live distributions Jun 19 18:28:06 ok ( Jun 19 18:28:14 but a CD drive has nothing like your partitions, neither a MBR Jun 19 18:29:06 an USBstick is way more like a HDD than like a CD Jun 19 18:29:45 read this garret's blog: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html Jun 19 18:30:37 here is written how bootable ISO image can be stored on USB stick Jun 19 18:30:49 thanks Jun 19 18:30:58 XATRIX: is gone ;-) Jun 19 18:31:04 i'm here Jun 19 18:31:12 just moved to laptop Jun 19 18:31:20 XATRIX: look http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html Jun 19 18:31:32 Ok, let's investigate this Jun 19 18:32:11 The interesting fact, i've started my girlfriend's Ubuntu, and it automounted 2 partitions from my f**ed up mmc1 :))))))) Jun 19 18:32:19 Windows is a junk Jun 19 18:32:44 >>One of the fun things about ISO9660 is that it doesn't have a boot sector in the usual x86 sense<< Jun 19 18:32:45 Windows has none support for HW Jun 19 18:33:03 Sounds if :) Jun 19 18:33:25 wait a bit Jun 19 18:33:27 El Torito !!!! that's been the magic word Jun 19 18:33:36 my boot partition on mmc1 is not iso 9660 Jun 19 18:33:40 /dev/sdc5 on /media/xatrix/5308-0520 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) Jun 19 18:33:40 /dev/sdc1 on /media/xatrix/sysrcd-3.7. type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) Jun 19 18:34:20 of course, because iso9660 *cannot* be bootable partition Jun 19 18:34:51 So, what's wrong with fat ? :( Jun 19 18:34:56 there is no way how to boot from is9660 image Jun 19 18:35:03 fat != iso9660 Jun 19 18:35:05 fat partition can be bootable Jun 19 18:35:19 i have both fat Jun 19 18:35:32 install that your linux system on that fat partition Jun 19 18:35:43 Yes, i have it Jun 19 18:35:58 and then install syslinux to MBR (and told it to boot from second parition correct kernel/initfs) Jun 19 18:36:11 thats all Jun 19 18:36:18 and mark second as bootable Jun 19 18:36:25 Yes, currently my mmc1 is bootable Jun 19 18:36:50 sdc5 NC Logical vfat 30222,06 Jun 19 18:36:50 Pri/Log Free Space 1,05 Jun 19 18:36:50 sdc1 Boot Primary vfat [sysrcd-3.7.] 1214,26 Jun 19 18:36:50 Primary Free Space 1,05 Jun 19 18:37:07 *sigh* Jun 19 18:37:07 Ah, better to paste to pastebin Jun 19 18:37:23 Yes, it's crappy partitioning, but i'm experimenting Jun 19 18:37:33 I can boot from this mmc1 Jun 19 18:37:45 But in windows, i can't run both patitions mounted Jun 19 18:37:54 Only one is operating Jun 19 18:38:04 well, blame windows Jun 19 18:38:07 I have to solve it somehow Jun 19 18:38:17 I'm afk, this is getting exhausting Jun 19 18:38:35 ok, anyway thanks for the help Jun 19 18:39:02 read the very fine article Pali linked for you Jun 19 18:39:32 it tells you how to create a usbstick that can even boot on macintosh Jun 19 18:39:50 and it explains all the nasty tricks needed to establish that Jun 19 18:40:42 like: on a CD the first few sectors are bootloader code. On a HDD it's supposed to be the partition table Jun 19 18:41:23 so you either run your partition table as code, or you consider your bootloader code as partition table Jun 19 18:41:29 neither makes sense Jun 19 18:42:11 so what those guys do is vreate a partition with a MBR and a bootloader that loads the ISO image Jun 19 18:42:34 aiui Jun 19 18:42:41 Ok, gonna find the way out of this :) Jun 19 18:43:35 I told you one way out of this: handle your USB stick like a normal HDD, install a system on it, incl bootloader, MBR and all Jun 19 18:43:54 you find the files for that system on the CD your burned from your ISO Jun 19 18:44:31 ok Jun 19 18:44:40 give me some time to handle it Jun 19 18:45:40 or you google for "create bootable usb memory stick from ISO9660" Jun 19 18:46:08 or you read that article that pali linked for you, i guess it will come up with instructions eventually Jun 19 18:47:26 http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-598291.html >>How to "burn" an ISO to USB flash drive?<< Jun 19 18:48:54 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/45440/creating-a-bootable-linux-installation-usb-without-unetbootin Jun 19 18:49:11 wow wow.. keep it calm :) I can't make it so fast :) Jun 19 18:49:24 I'm examining Pali's article Jun 19 18:52:25 examine the last link I posted! Jun 19 18:53:07 it sounds pretty much like the question got posted by you ;-D Jun 19 18:53:22 are you "astroboy"? Jun 19 18:53:27 ;-P Jun 19 18:55:43 http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ Jun 19 18:57:24 alas all this still doesn't solve your problem with making a second partition on USB stick available Jun 19 18:58:10 but then, you could store stuff on the first partition that also holds the iso, I guess Jun 19 18:59:48 or you follow my advice and simply install a linux system to first partition of your USB stick, preferrably one that's meant to be able to clone itself to another harddisk. Google for Knoppix for example Jun 19 19:01:49 (though meanwhile virtually all live-distros should have a clone-to-HDD feature Jun 19 19:01:52 ) Jun 19 19:12:25 ((you could store stuff on the first partition...)) actually you'd want to fix the actual size of the partition. (see http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html >>0800 indicates that it's using 2048-byte sectors. The 9090 is a lie to convince the firmware that it's not a zero-sized disk without representing dangerous code.<<) You *might* be lucky with *first* dd-ing your ISO to the raw USB device (mmc5) and *THEN* creating one huge vfat Jun 19 19:12:26 partition with fdisk, but *not* formating it with mkfs.vfat since that would ruin your ISO. If you're less lucky, your partition size is not a harmless opcode like "9090" and makes your PC to hang during boot. If you're however *extremely* lucky, you might even get away with creating two partitions - the forst one size of your ISO file plus a few MB for headroom, and then a second partition that you can mess around with all the way you Jun 19 19:12:28 like (mkfs, write to, whatnot). Windows should detect both partitions (unless you booted from first one maybe) and due to your extreme luck the MBR you wrote is still as harmless as the 9090 above Jun 19 19:12:36 XATRIX: ^^^ Jun 19 19:13:06 * XATRIX 's head is going to collapse Jun 19 19:18:20 then - if I understand your original intentions correct - there's a completely different approach to your problem, and that's by tweaking the way maemo fremantle exports the uSD Jun 19 19:19:50 so you would either use mass storage mode to have normal access to normal files as usuall, or you would use a special command installdisk-export.sh that does exactly that: export only the ISO so arbitrary PC can boot from it Jun 19 19:20:15 *maybe* you could even export both concurrently Jun 19 19:21:01 but that's not exactly a trivial hack Jun 19 19:22:40 DocScrutinizer05, you'd make a perfect Linux professor Jun 19 19:36:05 Hello Jun 19 19:36:13 Is there some kind of statistics about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on maemo.org and/or TMO? Jun 19 19:36:49 So I followed this guide (http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD) to utilize microsd partition as swap memory Jun 19 19:37:08 got it working fine, but after reboot the memory seems gone Jun 19 19:37:27 conky says i just have 256 + 768 which is the normal ram / swap amount i think Jun 19 19:38:09 what else do you expect to find? Jun 19 19:39:20 sounds pretty OKish to me Jun 19 19:39:45 moving swap to uSD is not about any additional memory Jun 19 19:42:58 From what i understood i didn't move the swap Jun 19 19:43:06 i mean the eMMC swap is still in use Jun 19 19:43:32 after initial success, conky told me i have 1,2 GB swap Jun 19 19:43:45 seems odd that it doesn't report that amount anymore Jun 19 19:45:10 cat /proc/swaps shows if you correctly moved swap Jun 19 19:46:57 yup it doesnt realize there's the microsd swap Jun 19 19:47:08 only sees mmcblk0p3 Jun 19 19:47:28 and 1.2GB of swap are an idicator for sth gone wrong Jun 19 19:47:40 yup Jun 19 19:47:57 unless you want 1.2gb of swap:) Jun 19 19:48:05 well thats what it initially showed Jun 19 19:48:10 check out http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap Jun 19 19:48:16 nontheless its obvious that the microsd swap isn't working correctly Jun 19 19:48:25 if you use flopswap, make sure swapset and ereswap are not installed Jun 19 19:48:33 flopswap seems a nice, user-friendly solution Jun 19 19:48:42 tissi: that depends Jun 19 19:48:47 can you do swapon on the swap partition on SD Jun 19 19:48:56 as root Jun 19 19:49:06 cat /proc/swaps Jun 19 19:49:13 that didnt show it Jun 19 19:50:00 yeah now its there Jun 19 19:50:20 swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 Jun 19 19:50:21 priority is -1 on 0p3 and -2 on 1p2 Jun 19 19:50:27 should i change both to 0 or something Jun 19 19:50:32 swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 Jun 19 19:50:54 no, you shouldn't use 2 swaps at all Jun 19 19:52:18 striping swap doesn't pan out on fremantle Jun 19 19:53:23 odd Jun 19 19:53:26 guide recommends that Jun 19 19:53:39 in the end you can't increase the *real* speed of swapping by adding more swap devices Jun 19 19:54:52 * Win7Mac wonders if there are some kind of statistics available about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on maemo.org and/or TMO? Jun 19 19:55:42 W****T****F?!! Jun 19 19:56:04 what, me? Jun 19 19:56:08 no Jun 19 19:56:11 Jim Jun 19 19:56:20 afk Jun 19 19:56:21 oh no... Jun 19 19:56:25 >:-((( Jun 19 19:59:44 Meeting today? Jun 19 20:00:35 I suggest GeneralAntilles as successor for Jim Jagielski on Bod. I ask Woody14619 to support this movement Jun 19 20:04:00 I suggest suggestions Jun 19 20:15:27 Woody14619: can you provide some background for the reasons of this new 'uncident' (or shall I call it fatality)? Jun 19 20:15:49 incident even Jun 19 20:16:19 hey, i am having huge problems with my cssu n900 lately, cannot access gmail, sometimes sms dont get send as well as skype Jun 19 20:18:11 Not a clue. Just fired off an e-mail asking him for info, but doubt I'll get a reply. Jun 19 20:20:31 Woody14619: please talk with GeneralAntilles (or whomever else of potential future BoD) about suceeding Jim Jun 19 20:21:02 we still have that 5 day issue Jun 19 20:21:50 Jim stepped down? Jun 19 20:40:25 yep Jun 19 20:41:03 lol Jun 19 20:41:07 Well then Jun 19 20:41:27 OMG, just today... Jun 19 20:41:37 sure Jun 19 20:42:14 Under and hour ago, in fact. Jun 19 20:42:42 that sucks Jun 19 20:42:45 How short a career can one have on Bod...wonder if it would improve my CV.. Jun 19 20:43:21 CV? Jun 19 20:44:13 curriculum vitae Jun 19 20:44:39 ahh, thanks Jun 19 20:44:58 yw :) Jun 19 20:53:15 GeneralAntilles: you're available for a stand-in? Jun 19 20:55:43 Suppose so Jun 19 20:55:53 I'm running, right? Jun 19 20:56:00 sure Jun 19 20:56:32 so for all I can tell you need to proxy Jim for max 9 days Jun 19 20:57:47 GA, and can you join the meeting tomorrow? Jun 19 20:58:01 Yes, 1400 UTC, right? Jun 19 20:58:26 might be correct Jun 19 20:58:49 1000EDST Jun 19 21:02:48 Yeah, should be. Jun 19 21:03:07 Just gotta leverage myself out of bed on my day off. :D Jun 19 21:03:47 hehe Jun 19 21:59:00 tissi: if you are still about ... "flopswap" and "I" recommend two swap spaces on uSD. However only one should be "active" at anyone time. Stripping swap (two active swap locations) is no use. Jun 19 22:02:51 FlopSwap does all of this swapon swapoff for you. You only have to provide linux swap @ 0p3 1p2 and 1p3 and then use the GUI. Jun 19 22:19:09 DocScrutinizer51: http://redd.it/1go1te "What do you own more than 5 of? Why?" Jun 19 22:19:20 n900s? :D Jun 19 22:22:44 I'm not sure there are many categories I could check that box for. Jun 19 22:22:54 Maemo devices might count. Jun 19 22:29:33 hi guys Jun 19 22:34:32 how ya like me now?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013#Gido_Griese_.28win7mac.29 Jun 19 22:41:54 ^^ formatting seems very counter-intuitive :( Jun 19 23:15:35 <<(18:46:13) DocScrutinizer05: if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it>> http://privatepaste.com/dd88063566 Jun 19 23:18:38 Win7Mac: formatting of the hyperlink? Jun 19 23:20:14 It's not ideal to have brackets or special chars in headings for this reason. Jun 19 23:20:15 something like 1) ''question?'' Jun 19 23:20:41 it pretends to be a WYSIWYG- editor, but it's not Jun 19 23:21:37 not all options available from palette Jun 19 23:21:47 wiki markup :) Jun 19 23:22:13 ... or editor-options, whatever tools there Jun 19 23:22:29 yeah markups... Jun 19 23:22:57 nobody knows naything about it Jun 19 23:23:29 The is so the questions don't merge into the body of the question and so the color works. Jun 19 23:23:31 naything sounds funny, but I mean anything Jun 19 23:23:56 ^ took that from woodys post Jun 19 23:24:23 no idea that even existed Jun 19 23:25:42 I am not too bad with it here's a quick guide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup Jun 19 23:27:48 I probably wouldn't have bothered with the color and used indents and italics for ease. Jun 19 23:28:48 thanks, but honestly, it's 2013 and I'm not gonna memorize that wiki. There is an editor, it's just last century... Jun 19 23:29:48 that's a wiki or a midgard thing? Jun 19 23:32:23 I mean the editor is a *^? Jun 19 23:32:55 MediaWiki Jun 19 23:33:20 MediaWiki markup is the most common wiki markup. . . . Jun 19 23:33:28 it's media wiki but it's very old version, I am happy with markup you get used to it. Jun 19 23:34:19 I'll probably go in and clean up all of the formatting. Jun 19 23:35:05 :) Jun 19 23:36:53 Your more than welcome to check the formatting/content on all 1273 articles, if your bored! :P Jun 19 23:36:55 Oh shit. We won't gain many maintainers with such outdated tools - that's just too much of a hassle. I'm still hoping for midagard one fine day might updateable to latest version. Jun 19 23:37:36 *might be Jun 19 23:38:39 ...without loosing all the data Jun 19 23:38:47 Even the latest midgard isn't "easy" to understand, it's wiki anyway it's mostly user maintained. Bigger fish.... Jun 19 23:39:15 and auto-links and engines and whatnot Jun 19 23:40:12 * sixwheeledbeast thinks about the fact he's babysitting autobuilder everytime a package hits the devel repos.... Jun 19 23:40:45 A better GUI might do wonders, but no clue what's the difference Jun 19 23:40:55 in versions. Jun 19 23:41:12 midgard NFC. Jun 19 23:43:20 It's all the things that integrate with midgard that also cause the PITA, in addition to nobody understanding midgard. Jun 19 23:44:21 kinda got that already from joerg. Probably need to look around here?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems Jun 19 23:45:53 It would take months of man hours to rebuild maemo on another system. Anyway I am out, bedtime. TTFN. Jun 19 23:46:52 alright, good night. Jun 19 23:46:58 I'd just take Hildon, finish porting it to Debian and go from there Jun 19 23:48:10 sixwheeledbeast, been there, done that. :) Jun 19 23:48:17 Well, it was fewer articles then. Jun 19 23:50:36 I still try and clean up the wiki as I go along. Using Special pages to clear out the rubbish etc ... anyway, gn. o/ Jun 19 23:51:42 o/ Jun 20 00:30:34 gn. o/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 20 02:59:59 2013