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Jun 23 04:46:29 <SAiF> where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?
Jun 23 04:57:23 <DocScrutinizer05> which one?
Jun 23 05:15:37 <SAiF> where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?
Jun 23 05:29:57 <DocScrutinizer05> which one?
Jun 23 06:15:42 <kerio> hey DocScrutinizer05
Jun 23 06:15:55 <kerio> where to get cheap and good touch screen digitizer?
Jun 23 06:15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> which one?
Jun 23 06:16:15 <kerio> :d
Jun 23 06:16:19 <kerio> er, :D
Jun 23 06:22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, the delay failed. almost gave away my true nature
Jun 23 06:34:55 <kerio> BotScrutinizer05
Jun 23 06:44:43 <SAiF> sorry, it is for N900, and is it possible to get capacitive touch. you know just a silly question.
Jun 23 06:56:36 <kerio> SAiF: maemo wouldn't know what to do with a multitouch screen, anyway
Jun 23 07:01:49 <SAiF> so where can I get a resistive screen.and cheap
Jun 23 07:02:36 <SAiF> Or what if it is in Nitroid, it support multitouch right?
Jun 23 07:24:17 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly no, since first approach maemo devices don't support multitouch digitizers
Jun 23 07:25:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I still wonder what exactly you are looking for
Jun 23 07:26:02 <DocScrutinizer05> if you need a replacement digitizer for e.g. N900, then let me tell you that you got no options - there's just ONE build / type of digitizer you could possibly fit 
Jun 23 07:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> if you want to attach a random HID and display, then go for any arbitrary device that supports AV-in and USB pointer device
Jun 23 07:30:05 <DocScrutinizer05> you know, embedded devices like N900 are not exactly similar to a standard Industry Standard Architecture PC with PCI expansion cards
Jun 23 07:31:34 <DocScrutinizer05> even less they are similar to a PC with attached peripherals like KBD, mouse, digitizer tablet or toucscreen, DSL modem, external drives, whatever
Jun 23 08:43:57 * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "where to get cheap and good 104-key keyboard with switching color illumination?"
Jun 23 08:44:14 <DocScrutinizer05> for N900
Jun 23 08:44:40 <DocScrutinizer05> should I assume it fits into device?
Jun 23 08:45:56 <DocScrutinizer05> or should I be happy with a nice USB kbd peripheral attached to N900 via USB hostmode?
Jun 23 08:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> possibly you could even do an USB attached capacitive mt digitizer overlay over N900 display and front plastic/digitizer, with a few straps
Jun 23 08:53:09 <wnd> where to get a good full-size keyboard to begin with... my key tronic was failing. :-(
Jun 23 09:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> this Cherry G230 is OK
Jun 23 09:21:22 <DocScrutinizer05> laptop-style short-action keys
Jun 23 09:21:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yet solid
Jun 23 09:24:56 <wnd> I have Cherry G80 at work. Brown MX switches are good, but the keyboard is much too light.
Jun 23 09:28:48 <wnd> It's mostly fine if you keep your keyboard on your desk, but back home I have this strange sitting position in which I keep the keyboard on my lap, usually on one leg only (the other being "holded" between me and the keyboard). When you do that, the keyboard must have some weight.
Jun 23 09:32:28 <DocScrutinizer51> g280 is solid and with decent weight
Jun 23 09:33:07 <DocScrutinizer51> I guess they put some steel in just for weight
Jun 23 09:34:22 <DocScrutinizer51> I know the pain you can feel with flimsy loud and way too light kbd
Jun 23 09:39:58 <DocScrutinizer05> err G230
Jun 23 09:40:44 <DocScrutinizer05> just the key labels seems crap, the N is already half vanished, after a few months
Jun 23 09:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> the M also looks like starting to rot
Jun 23 09:41:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and the LEDs for caplock, scrolllock numlock are pathetic
Jun 23 10:00:45 <Lava_Croft> N900 has no future except death
Jun 23 10:02:34 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously
Jun 23 10:02:48 <DocScrutinizer51> like everything on earth
Jun 23 10:05:12 <Lava_Croft> no no
Jun 23 10:05:18 <wnd> I just wish there's an alternative when mine dies
Jun 23 10:05:34 <Lava_Croft> another N900
Jun 23 10:06:02 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
Jun 23 10:06:44 <DocScrutinizer51> I got 4 (soon 5.5) spare
Jun 23 10:08:11 <Lava_Croft> 2 here
Jun 23 10:14:44 <Shapeshifter> This is odd. I want to install the dbus-scripts package which I can see is present at http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dbus-scripts/ but apt-cache/apt-get and fapman can't find it...
Jun 23 10:19:24 <DocScrutinizer51> enable extras-devel?
Jun 23 10:19:32 <Shapeshifter> it is enabled of course
Jun 23 10:19:51 <Lava_Croft> apt-get update? :P
Jun 23 10:20:06 <Shapeshifter> done of course ^^
Jun 23 10:21:36 <Lava_Croft> i reflahsed last week, enabled extras-dev and installed dbus-scripts :(
Jun 23 10:21:54 <Shapeshifter> I'm now trying to disable and re-enable extras-devel
Jun 23 10:22:21 <Shapeshifter> it's not working. very strange
Jun 23 10:23:19 <DocScrutinizer51> IroN900:~# apt-cache policy dbus-scripts
Jun 23 10:23:34 <DocScrutinizer51>   Installed: 2.0
Jun 23 10:24:14 <DocScrutinizer51> 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages
Jun 23 10:25:35 <Shapeshifter> by the way, downloads.maemo.nokia.com is offline for good?
Jun 23 10:27:31 <Shapeshifter> Mh. extras-devel is not in /etc/apt/sources.list nor /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. Shouldn't it be present?
Jun 23 10:29:23 <DocScrutinizer51> Shapeshifter: you should use HAM to enable/disable catalogs
Jun 23 10:31:53 <Lava_Croft> i always setup repos in ham, theh install and launch fapman
Jun 23 10:39:04 <Shapeshifter> well it worked. Now idea how I fucked up the catalogues...
Jun 23 10:40:41 <SAiF> flashing stops at 20%. ???
Jun 23 10:43:17 <Lava_Croft> it shouldnt!
Jun 23 10:44:32 <SAiF> again and again....
Jun 23 10:44:59 <SAiF> posible reasons??
Jun 23 10:46:12 <Lava_Croft> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83153
Jun 23 10:46:15 <Lava_Croft> does it look like that
Jun 23 10:47:16 <Lava_Croft> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1336294&postcount=7
Jun 23 10:47:19 <Lava_Croft> that post might help you too
Jun 23 10:51:26 <SAiF> ooops I just remembered that i reinstalled pc suite for restoring contacts after flashing two days ago. I am almost sure thats the problem since I hade to remove it the last time I did a flash.
Jun 23 10:51:45 <SAiF> thanks will be trying that now.
Jun 23 10:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that's definitely the problem
Jun 23 11:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Shapeshifter: (how fsckdup catalogs) maybe by editing the files you mentioned?
Jun 23 11:16:53 <SAiF> disabled service layer from services.msc and flashing works like normal
Jun 23 11:17:12 <SAiF> thank yoy Lava_Croft.
Jun 23 11:19:37 <Lava_Croft> SAiF: anytime, flashing can be a female dog
Jun 23 11:31:02 <Lava_Croft> my kingdom for a non-shit browser on maemo5
Jun 23 11:33:00 <kerio> Lava_Croft: fennec
Jun 23 11:33:06 <kerio> alopex
Jun 23 11:33:12 <kerio> chromium
Jun 23 11:33:37 <Lava_Croft> emphasis on non-shit
Jun 23 11:34:55 <Shapeshifter> Mh. I'm trying to tether this Nexus 7 to my N900 via bluetooth. I'm using the scripts attached to this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980832&postcount=124 It works somewhat but not really: When I pair it and tell the Nexus 7 to use the N900 to connect to the internet, the N900 says "Tethering from bnep0 to gprs0 activated". netcfg on the Nexus 7 shows that it got an IP, 10.20.0.121, which I can ping from the N900. However, ...
Jun 23 11:35:01 <Shapeshifter> ... I can't ping the N900 from the Nexus 7 and the internet connection simply doesn't work.
Jun 23 11:35:39 <Lava_Croft> i will retreat, i had my share of nexus7 annoyances for this week
Jun 23 11:41:13 <Shapeshifter> The weird thing is, as soon as I switch from cellular internet to wifi on the N900, the Nexus 7 is suddenly able to ping the N900. 
Jun 23 11:41:36 <Shapeshifter> It's only unable to ping the N900 when the N900 is using cellular internet (which is the only thing that makes sense when tethering...)
Jun 23 11:49:28 <DocScrutinizer51> Shapeshifter: bnep? well, maybe you should ask about it on #maemo-ssu
Jun 23 11:50:06 <Shapeshifter> meh. Had to restart the n900. Had installed an update of kernel-power just before and didn't think of rebooting...
Jun 23 11:50:38 <Shapeshifter> tethering works fine now. nice.
Jun 23 15:09:10 <Gear_> what's the best alternative OS for the n900
Jun 23 15:11:26 <Gear_> I dunno if it's the handset or the os but cssu is starting to go funky, I dial one contact and it dials someone else completely
Jun 23 15:11:27 <thedead1440> i would think Arch since its the only one along with Nemo to receive frequent updates
Jun 23 15:11:46 <Gear_> arch linux? like fully command line based?
Jun 23 15:12:07 <Gear_> <- linux beginner
Jun 23 15:12:26 <thedead1440> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892
Jun 23 15:22:51 <Gear_> arch looks very terrible
Jun 23 15:23:18 <Gear_> does nemo run maemo apps?
Jun 23 15:23:30 <Gear_> or do people have to make them for nemo
Jun 23 15:51:34 <thedead1440> yes you have to port maemo apps for nemo so the best OS for the n900 is maemo
Jun 23 15:51:58 <thedead1440> if you are having issues maybe get in touch with cssu devs and they could help you to debug it
Jun 23 16:46:30 <Lava_Croft> arch linux is the best way to learn linux
Jun 23 19:32:11 <NeutrinoPower> my N900 is locked and I doesn't remember the passwd... :-(
Jun 23 19:35:27 <NIN101> well, usually not an issue
Jun 23 19:35:39 <NIN101> see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=435433&postcount=5
Jun 23 19:39:46 <NeutrinoPower> is the lock-code the same as root-passwd?
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Jun 23 19:43:43 <NeutrinoPower> what is /dev/mtd1?
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Jun 23 21:41:36 <Gear_> usb to go doesn't enumerate any devices
Jun 24 02:52:42 <Apic> A splendid good Morning to You all.
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