**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 25 02:59:58 2013 Jun 25 04:15:13 meh Jun 25 04:15:16 meh? Jun 25 04:15:34 [2013-06-25 04:28:07] hi to all. what can it be if my N900, while being started with the cable connected and "U" being held, doesn't display the USB connection icon? Jun 25 04:15:45 was about to write an answer Jun 25 04:16:00 tab-completion failed Jun 25 04:16:06 anyway Jun 25 04:16:15 >_< Jun 25 04:17:17 DEVELOPERS: please look at http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 and tell me what you think of that list, particularly when one of the pkgs is yours Jun 25 04:17:46 this is from "autobuilder" (actually garage VM) Jun 25 04:43:10 What is the normal and maximum swap usage. anybody? Jun 25 05:06:21 90-160M for me Jun 25 05:06:41 2 xterms, screen, xchat, gpodder Jun 25 05:09:39 then whats the purpose of 768? Jun 25 07:30:36 SAiF: to avoid swap fragmentation Jun 25 07:30:43 also, "just in case" Jun 25 07:32:42 hmm. I never seen it using more than 100mb. some times i see it uses less than 10mb Jun 25 07:33:41 you could fill the swap with all that you have never seen Jun 25 07:34:31 the fact that you've never seen something is anecdotal at best Jun 25 07:57:43 probably right. Jun 25 07:58:13 how would I get a fullscreen camera feed from one n900 to another one Jun 25 07:59:32 over wifi, most probably. Jun 25 07:59:44 definitely Jun 25 07:59:53 but how would I go about it Jun 25 08:00:27 in a nutshell? Capture camera output, transmit over the network, decode and display. Jun 25 08:00:45 using? Jun 25 08:01:18 why do I feel I'm doing homework? Jun 25 08:01:37 because I'm copying your answers :P Jun 25 08:01:59 your best bet is probably gstreamer Jun 25 08:02:13 which, I believe, supports sinks that carry stuff over the network Jun 25 08:02:21 yeah I did manage a crappy res stream from the n900 to my netbook Jun 25 08:02:38 which camera are you using? Jun 25 08:02:39 Front? Jun 25 08:02:43 yeah Jun 25 08:02:51 then that sounds about right :) Jun 25 08:02:55 it's what, 0.3Mpix? Jun 25 08:03:02 no the main one Jun 25 08:04:07 I consider that the "front" Jun 25 08:04:51 that's the back :) Jun 25 08:04:57 okey dokey. Jun 25 08:05:16 well it needs to go from that to the other n900 Jun 25 08:05:54 well, I told you how I'd do it. Jun 25 08:06:24 "gstreamer" is a pretty broad umbrella Jun 25 08:34:38 Mh. For a couple of days now, the Notes applications isn't autosaving my changes anymore... If the N900 runs out of battery or restarts otherwise, I end up with my last manually saved Notes. How can I fix this? I never had this problem... Jun 25 11:40:38 finally getting my second sim Jun 25 11:40:45 so i can use both sims on the same number at the same time Jun 25 13:38:13 So lazy. Still need to clean up the candidate wiki. Jun 25 13:41:55 Hi all ! Jun 25 13:43:38 Haaa, I'm happy to see maemo chan is alway active and with lot of people ! Jun 25 13:43:53 (and sorry for my english) Jun 25 13:45:17 ... I have a little pb with profiled, i think, anyone know a little the dbus system ? Jun 25 14:38:29 here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using a white background. some times when i press somewhere it reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem. (english ;)) Jun 25 14:55:41 here is the situation. touch doesnot work sometime. and I think it is the moisture. I can see some spots like always pressed when using a white background. some times when i press somewhere it reads some other location and presses another key. it become normal after 1 or 2 hours as if nothing happened. And somrtime it doesnot have a problem at all. any remedies for this problem. Jun 25 15:00:08 and hermes is not working. Jun 25 15:00:27 hermes isnt working due to api updates Jun 25 15:00:33 and a lack of a hermes update Jun 25 15:00:39 ?? Jun 25 15:00:50 twitter etc changed the way programs communicate with them Jun 25 15:00:55 hermes isnt updated for this yet Jun 25 15:00:59 and no clue if it will be Jun 25 15:01:24 I just installed it with apt_get install hermes Jun 25 15:01:28 yes Jun 25 15:01:37 why wouldnt installing work Jun 25 15:01:51 hermes itself works fine too, it just cant communicate properly with twitter and other websites Jun 25 15:02:09 so is there a way around? Jun 25 15:02:21 another app or tweak? Jun 25 15:02:22 update hermes Jun 25 15:02:31 i dont know of an alternative to hermes Jun 25 15:02:32 sadly Jun 25 15:02:45 how do you update? Jun 25 15:03:01 you get the sourcecode for hermes and edit the sourcecode, compile the code and generate a new .deb Jun 25 15:03:08 in other words, you arent Jun 25 15:03:15 neither am i :< Jun 25 15:26:54 Hi! Whenever I start the browser, the first page takes very long to load. I think, there is an option to enable the browser to startup in advance such that opening a page is quick but I might have disabled that option and now I don't know where it was. Any hints? Jun 25 15:27:21 Is it maybe related to developer mode (which I have enabled)? Jun 25 15:27:39 I am referring to the N900. Jun 25 15:31:35 ohhfsckUtmo!!! Jun 25 15:31:47 Upload Errors Jun 25 15:31:48 donations.pdf: Jun 25 15:31:50 Your file of 57.9 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 19.5 KB for this filetype. Jun 25 15:32:04 chem|st: ^^^ Jun 25 15:46:48 MEH, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1354634&postcount=191 Jun 25 15:50:21 Thanks for the tip Doc Jun 25 16:24:28 sixwheeledbeast: how will flopswap behave if i have it set to move swap to sd on boot, after which i make a backupmenu copy and copy that onto another n900 without any sdcard Jun 25 16:26:46 Lava_Croft: Swap to uSD on boot option is a upstart script Jun 25 16:27:05 yeah, but i was curious how it behave when being lazy Jun 25 16:27:08 as in, will it boot Jun 25 16:27:17 or will it react to not finding sd and stick swap to emmc Jun 25 16:27:41 If the script fails it runs on eMMC Jun 25 16:27:47 for swap Jun 25 16:28:00 i.e. mmcblk0p3 Jun 25 16:28:34 ok, thanks Jun 25 16:28:38 good failsafe Jun 25 16:29:35 upstart does this, I have tested that scenario. Jun 25 16:30:32 :) Jun 25 16:31:23 It seems FlopSwap is getting more popular lately I am getting more questions via PM and IRC :) Jun 25 16:31:34 :) Jun 25 16:31:40 its linked on the wiki Jun 25 16:31:52 and i go to the wiki everytime, just to be sure im doing it right when doing it by hand Jun 25 16:31:57 flopswap fixed this process now:) Jun 25 16:32:10 i dont know if i told you that swapset also interferes with flopswap Jun 25 16:32:13 (i think i did) Jun 25 16:33:59 i only assumed you created it because you kept replying to queries about it here:) Jun 25 16:34:17 I didn't know but I don't recommend it anyway (reasons) in the flopswap thread. Jun 25 16:34:46 sorry afk be back in an hour or so .... Jun 25 16:43:40 hi Jun 25 16:47:06 maybe you are aware of this but (even if i prefer to use fapman) sometimes i install deb via ham. after closing ham n900 is slower and in conky i see apt-worker.real using near 80% for almost 3minutes and finally stops Jun 25 16:47:29 is it normal? Jun 25 16:47:40 yes Jun 25 16:47:43 HAM is a pita Jun 25 16:48:01 latest cssu stable latest kp Jun 25 16:48:11 HAM has always been slow for me Jun 25 16:48:15 and probably for everybody:) Jun 25 16:48:59 yeah i know Jun 25 16:49:54 but what apt-worker.real is doing? and why use a lot of cpu? Jun 25 16:50:54 afaik HAM is overly cautious Jun 25 16:51:06 and does a lot of important magic to make sure you dont blow up your n900, or something Jun 25 16:51:09 i dont know the dark of it Jun 25 17:30:09 apt-worker is the process that actually does all the apt-get update foo Jun 25 17:30:53 it builds a new dependency tree after every single transaction that might have changed sth regarding your package dependencies, aiui Jun 25 17:31:24 even if that's not really reasonable to do anymore, since the frontend (HAM) already has closed Jun 25 17:32:51 the 80% CPU are used since building the dependency tree is a complicated process that needs juggling with a really huge amount of datasets in linked lists Jun 25 17:36:11 every decent package manager has similar "problems". E.G. 6 years ago I had a laptop with 192MB of RAM with a normal OpenSUSE system installation. The package manager (Yast/zypper) took >12h to start up and build the dependency tree, while the system was constantly swapping. Obviously the data structures of the dependency tree didn't fit into RAM Jun 25 17:45:34 hm, you suggested yesterday to my other nick that I upgrade to CSSU stable... it seems to have gone rather without problems... just not sure if I'm finished with everything Jun 25 17:46:25 should I remove some of the old maemo repos now? also still getting "key expired" on one of them... and there are still some packages that apt-get sees as upgradeable Jun 25 17:46:45 but \o/, seems the gmail bug is gone... Jun 25 17:51:43 announcement: we decided to close accounts of all those who received a election token mail but don't vote ;-D [[just kidding!]] Jun 25 17:53:53 Iridos: when you followed the procedure on cssu wiki page, then you should be fine. Just don't miss the step where you need to *manually* start the enabler via the icon in your appstarter menu Jun 25 17:56:00 Iridos: when you have extras-devel enabled, I guess you will see a few updates. It's generally not recommended to install updates from extras-devel indiscriminately, rather you usally enable extras-devel repo only temporarily to update/install a certain package you're interested in, then *disable* the catalog again. Sure this sucks in HAM, but it's the only safe way to deal with extras-devel Jun 25 17:56:50 cssu can't do anything (or rather: hastn't done so far) about the expired key in Nokia repos Jun 25 17:57:36 *usually* that shouldn't create headaches since there are no new packages or updates in Nokia repos Jun 25 17:58:43 it *might* become a problem when you need to re-install a package from there that you incidentally damaged, or when you want any supplementary package from Nokia repos Jun 25 18:00:25 options: change system time to january-2012, or enable red-pill mode in HAM, plus some then-available options to not check key validity, in HAM's options menu Jun 25 18:01:13 iirc Jun 25 18:01:29 doc Jun 25 18:01:36 what'sup doc? Jun 25 18:01:38 no highlight Jun 25 18:15:08 DocScrutinizer05, ok, thanks... think I'm done then Jun 25 18:16:55 had to enable extras-devel for the CSSU package, IIRC Jun 25 18:17:07 Iridos: alas CSSU comes with a cruft of preconfigured and partially even enabled repos lately, which are not really reasonable to have there. I dunno which is the latest config there, but *if* you got any cssu-devel or cssu-thumb or whatever catalogs, DISABLE them! Jun 25 18:17:38 also don't usually disable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa Jun 25 18:18:03 don't disable? that's one negation too many? Jun 25 18:18:29 yeah sorry Jun 25 18:18:32 ok :) Jun 25 18:18:45 also don't usually ENsable any cssu-testing repo when you're on cssu-stable, and vice versa Jun 25 18:18:49 right Jun 25 18:20:28 but particularly cssu-devel and cssu-thumb, when enabled, will most likely nuke your system Jun 25 18:20:44 unless you know exactly what you're doing Jun 25 18:21:36 a terrible mistake once again in cssu maintenance Jun 25 18:22:00 ...to have all those catalogs preconfigured in HAM Jun 25 18:22:02 those thumb binaries should in principle run, though? Jun 25 18:22:19 *only* when you got a thumb-enabled kernel Jun 25 18:22:21 not without a kernel Jun 25 18:22:36 ok Jun 25 18:23:13 otherwise your system will segfault like there's no tomorrow (which actually is true from your system's POV ;-P) Jun 25 18:23:27 nah it sigills Jun 25 18:23:31 not segfaults :) Jun 25 18:23:33 yeah Jun 25 18:23:40 possibly Jun 25 18:23:54 actually you never know what it gonna do Jun 25 18:24:41 since not every thumb instruction is illegal in ARM mode, some may simply not do what you thought they should do Jun 25 18:25:37 and the problem is that branch prediction doesn't get updated so branch operations and *anywhere* Jun 25 18:25:39 DocScrutinizer05: Whoah, are the all preconfigured in HAM? Jun 25 18:25:43 *they Jun 25 18:25:59 I dunno what's recent state of things Jun 25 18:26:24 that's what it looks like after the latest installs/reboot http://paste.debian.net/12653 Jun 25 18:26:32 not sure what mr0 is Jun 25 18:26:39 I found a shitload on nonsensical catalogs with around T6 or T7 upgrade Jun 25 18:26:56 Har, Extras twice Jun 25 18:27:31 yep Jun 25 18:27:35 they should be visible but not enabled Jun 25 18:27:39 unless you ticked them all Jun 25 18:27:49 that for sure will slow down stuff considerably Jun 25 18:27:59 yeah... but one says fremantle, one fremantle-1.3 - I should check what was in there before, though... haven't touched repos in... well, a year or so? Jun 25 18:28:26 stuff from fremantle (not from fremantle-1.3) is for the 1.0 and 1.1 firmware Jun 25 18:28:54 fremantle and fremantle-1.3 *SHOULD* be identical. I heard our repo maintainer is having an eye on that issue Jun 25 18:29:08 no, it isn't Jun 25 18:29:20 DocScrutinizer05: that's for -devel Jun 25 18:29:27 ugh Jun 25 18:29:27 pure extras should have 2 different trees Jun 25 18:29:28 does it make any sense to have both? Jun 25 18:29:28 ok Jun 25 18:29:37 Iridos: nope Jun 25 18:29:53 *bang* one down Jun 25 18:30:03 I hope you removed the fremantle one .) Jun 25 18:30:15 merlin1991: right, my fault Jun 25 18:30:25 merlin1991, tossing a coin ;) Jun 25 18:30:50 on a sidenote, DocScrutinizer05 I've just had a nice battle vs alsa to get my mic input working, turned out my soundcard has a toggle switch for line input or mic, which isn't present in alsamixer Jun 25 18:31:15 not unheard of Jun 25 18:31:46 the weirdest thing though is, that the mic boost switch is in the playback pane of alsamixer not in the capture one o_O Jun 25 18:31:58 yeah Jun 25 18:32:28 but hey, I finally fixed all my sound issues on this box :) Jun 25 18:34:28 mostly a question of sanitizing some /usr/share/alsa/cards/* settings Jun 25 18:35:49 imho it's rather weird to have /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.d/* instead of /etc/alsa/... Jun 25 18:37:53 I guess the hildon from CSSU also fixed that thing with hildon-desktop, categorize and the high load? Jun 25 18:38:23 the /usr/share/alsa/* stuff is developer-provided "static" data, sort of "program text" Jun 25 18:39:14 Iridos: yes Jun 25 18:39:39 great :) Jun 25 18:41:26 Iridos: that's what CSSU is all about first and foremost: fix bugs in stock maemo Jun 25 18:42:38 I'll need to look into sampling rate though, no point in having a 192KHz ADC and also DAC and then run them on 48KHz :D Jun 25 18:43:05 hmm, yeah Jun 25 18:43:35 then again most of my input is 41KHz :/ Jun 25 18:43:43 right... just checking, as this was a really annoying one Jun 25 18:43:53 then... thanks a lot for the advice and have a good evening (/$daytime) Jun 25 18:44:20 oh, and also thanks for all the work any of you put into that... much appreciated :) Jun 25 18:45:19 also... dunno if you find this as amusing as I do http://www.goldgenie.com/solid-gold-superstar-iphone5.php (don't forget to notice the weight) Jun 25 18:47:28 "at least can use it as a glass cutter" Jun 25 18:48:35 laters Jun 25 19:00:48 HAHA, sure! 200g gold, and SIMlock-free. But also free of any RF-interference with the antenna (commonly known as "signal"), due to the excellent shielding properties of the gold jacket Jun 25 19:02:05 as reasonable as a Rolex-watch with a solid diamond as glass, so you can't see the clock's hands anymore because of all the diamond facettes Jun 25 19:03:16 let the designer fumblers wreck your technical gadgets! Jun 25 19:04:18 incredible morons Jun 25 19:05:14 >>you can use this iphone 5 on any network throughout the world. << definutely a lie Jun 25 19:09:45 I wonder if there's an angle in advertising more of what sorts of work goes into the maemo.org infra support. Jun 25 19:10:13 Make people more aware of the time investment involved and maybe generate more donations. Jun 25 19:27:44 I'd say, yes, that's a great reason to advertise it (and to hopefully garner a bit more of appreciation to those who volunteer their time for such). Jun 25 19:38:54 Lava_Croft: any more information on swapset/flopswap issue? Jun 25 19:40:17 Maybe there should be a maemo Jun 25 19:40:26 .org IT twitter account. Jun 25 19:44:23 sixwheeledbeast: all i know is that swapset puts scripts in event.d that automagically mounts any swap partition it finds Jun 25 19:44:41 mmm Jun 25 19:45:04 never realized it did that Jun 25 19:46:11 I have never used/or recommended swapset. Did you have issues yourself? Jun 25 19:47:01 that was the first time i installed it, i always set swap to sd by hand Jun 25 19:47:04 i was trying out options Jun 25 19:47:20 it had no issues, but i guess mounting all swap it finds on boot is a bit err Jun 25 19:47:21 silly Jun 25 20:01:12 yes Jun 25 20:02:08 the issue I have with swapset is compressing ram uses CPU and therefore battery. Jun 25 20:02:20 More is gained from Thumb IMO Jun 25 20:30:26 aye Jun 25 21:07:50 GeneralAntilles: maybe a nice plan, but probably those doing that work are too busy to do even more than the tiny bit of advertising already done in >>tracking issues and events with maemo.org infra migration#2<< thread on tmo. And I for one will definitely stay away from twitter and facebook Jun 25 21:31:24 DocScrutinizer05, yeah, kinda what I was thinking. Jun 25 21:37:21 Somebody should probably still register a maemo Jun 25 21:37:28 .Org account. Jun 25 21:37:32 Stupid VKB Jun 26 01:31:37 Anyone else checking out Ubuntu Touch? Jun 26 01:40:25 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1354713 decided to check it out yesterday Jun 26 01:45:39 lesson #1) Android drivers seems to be compiled in, could not rmmod wlan module Jun 26 01:48:02 *i disable wifi/etc. daily while driving around a military post, had to settle for ifconfig wlan0 down Jun 26 02:32:09 no Jun 26 02:32:14 uggbuntu Jun 26 02:32:39 ubuntu is going to be a semi-open platform like android Jun 26 02:32:54 I'd give it a second look if it had some sort of vertical intergration with ubuntu desktop Jun 26 02:33:05 only limiting factor appears to be qt5 Jun 26 02:33:11 why QT5? Jun 26 02:33:48 all GUI in ubuntu touch is qt5, there is no support for X11 or GTK at all yet Jun 26 02:33:51 it is going to be MIR, and other non-standard bits it has, and whatever compromises they have to make Jun 26 02:34:07 XMir Jun 26 02:34:25 no mir yet on this 24June build Jun 26 02:34:37 they did announce XMir, that will run x11 apps and legacy desktops Jun 26 02:34:53 which is going to be worthless, when modern systems start targeting wayland, and X11 becomes legacy Jun 26 02:34:55 oh did they? Jun 26 02:35:01 yes Jun 26 02:35:05 do you even /. Jun 26 02:35:30 i was expecting them to use mir as an inbetween step to wayland Jun 26 02:35:35 I wonder if ubuntu touch is even going to include glibc or something compatable Jun 26 02:35:53 bjv, no, just like upstart wasn't an inbetween to systemd Jun 26 02:35:59 mabey redhat should make a phone Jun 26 02:36:23 that I'd be intrested in, redhat enterprise cell phone Jun 26 02:36:41 this ubuntu touch is running.. libc6:armhf 2.17-0ubuntu5 Jun 26 02:36:50 no shit Jun 26 02:36:50 GNU C Jun 26 02:36:52 xterm? Jun 26 02:36:55 yeah Jun 26 02:37:02 it shouldn't be too hard to port gtk then Jun 26 02:37:13 ubuntu-terminal-app 0.5bzr15saucy0 Jun 26 02:37:17 ehh Jun 26 02:37:25 i'm more likely to write a qt5 frontend Jun 26 02:37:28 for anything i want GUI Jun 26 02:37:32 of course Jun 26 02:37:37 because it's all hinged on Mir Jun 26 02:37:39 the rest of the world is leaning towards Qt in general Jun 26 02:37:42 or waiting for xMir Jun 26 02:37:48 but I am talking about getting existing GTK+ apps to work Jun 26 02:37:52 yeah Jun 26 02:38:03 the big draw of the n900 is it was debian compatible Jun 26 02:38:07 it had GTK+ AND Qt Jun 26 02:38:19 I want it to be able to pull dependencies like a regular linux distro Jun 26 02:38:41 and contain all the tool kits and interpreters that it needs to pull to make the full linux experiance happen Jun 26 02:38:46 python? does it have a python port? Jun 26 02:38:51 especially pyqt Jun 26 02:38:55 i just installed python27 Jun 26 02:39:00 python2 and 3 Jun 26 02:39:03 and qt bindings Jun 26 02:39:11 yeah, it's full armhf ubuntu Jun 26 02:39:19 qt5, yeah Jun 26 02:39:38 what about qt4 and 3, like GTK, its going to be needed to run legacy apps Jun 26 02:40:05 and perl Jun 26 02:40:34 i see... python-qt4* stuff is in their stock repo Jun 26 02:40:42 nice Jun 26 02:40:43 pthon and python3 Jun 26 02:40:52 mabey I should give ubuntu some credit Jun 26 02:40:56 instead of being so harsh Jun 26 02:41:23 not certain if all qt4 functionality is supported by qt5? Jun 26 02:41:37 there's python-qt4-gl though Jun 26 02:41:45 bjv, of course, but not every app is written for Qt5 Jun 26 02:41:49 true Jun 26 02:41:58 same with GTK, I am sure all functionality is repeated in Qt5, and Qt5 is AWESOME Jun 26 02:42:17 it does seem.. comprehensive Jun 26 02:42:31 we'll see how much it hurts to not have X11/gtk though Jun 26 02:42:33 but the point of linux cell phone is that shit written for general purpose linux computing runs Jun 26 02:42:55 bjv, it doesn't need X11, it needs XMir to run X11 apps Jun 26 02:43:03 or wayland Jun 26 02:43:11 eventually, but most apps are X11 Jun 26 02:43:37 the point of a linux cell phone is that it runs general purpose linux apps Jun 26 02:43:49 if I justed wanted the linux kernel, and some random other shit, I'd be on android Jun 26 02:44:02 but not only do I want linux,I want GNU as well Jun 26 02:44:14 I want its enitrity avialble Jun 26 02:44:21 what about a terminal emulator? Jun 26 02:44:40 the 24June nightly came with a stock terminal emulator Jun 26 02:45:05 ubuntu-terminal-app 0.5bzr15saucy0 Jun 26 02:46:00 the small screen, and weak N900, plus the overhead of administering your .img filesystem makes debian chroot ... not as useful as it could be Jun 26 02:46:16 basically, ive had access to full linux desktop on a phone now for years Jun 26 02:46:26 but, it's not as smooth and nice as it could be Jun 26 02:46:54 no, I don't want a "full linux desktop", I too own an n900 Jun 26 02:47:03 I want something like hildon Jun 26 02:47:10 i just mean software selection Jun 26 02:47:33 I want the same type of software Jun 26 02:47:40 not just the infotaintment platform Jun 26 02:47:52 right, Jun 26 02:48:14 now, Samsung sounds like they are turning their Tizen into a lock-in infotainment Jun 26 02:48:35 removing native Enlightenment libs from their SDK v2,etc. Jun 26 02:48:44 weak Jun 26 02:49:56 There'a so much regulatory overhead and legal exposure in developing and selling a communication device. Jun 26 02:50:45 GeneralAntilles: agreed. Jun 26 02:51:38 Government interference in the market tends to lead to massive firms and limited choice Jun 26 02:52:05 GeneralAntilles: the unity8 UI reminds me enough of Harmattan/Swipe, that it makes me wonder just how much Canonical is risking litigation Jun 26 02:52:17 make a swipe based UI, great. Jun 26 02:52:32 Patents are a mess Jun 26 02:52:50 The various government certifications are a mess Jun 26 02:53:08 put a Swipe like UI "on a phone" ... *bam* patent infringement circus **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 26 02:59:58 2013