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Jun 27 07:37:59 <DocScrutinizer05> povbot: still here?
Jun 27 07:38:00 <povbot> DocScrutinizer05: Error: "still" is not a valid command.
Jun 27 07:38:21 <DocScrutinizer05> HAH
Jun 27 07:51:38 <japa-fi> Hi all. I ad my N900 to get totally corrupted (don't know why, filesystem corrupted in middle of the day), I reflashed it and now I have clean N900 which I try to customize back to it's glory. I have not installed many items yet, backupmenu being one of them :). Now I try to install community SSU, going by the steps from maemo wiki. 
Jun 27 07:51:55 <japa-fi> Just that the install is terminated by dependancy problem..
Jun 27 07:52:44 <japa-fi> mp-fremantle-generic-pr: depends maemosec-certman-common-ca (=0.2.0+0m5) but 0.2.2 is to be installed
Jun 27 07:53:31 <japa-fi> depends libmaemosec0, libmaemosec-certman0, maemosec-certman-tools 
Jun 27 07:53:40 <japa-fi> all have the same version conflict
Jun 27 08:07:27 <japa-fi> bah, incorrect maemo version. Updating that first.
Jun 27 08:21:42 <DocScrutinizer05> make sure you got PR1.3 or PR1.3.1, and disable all catalogs in HAM that faintly look like non-standard
Jun 27 08:22:14 <DocScrutinizer05> actually after flashing PR1.3 you won't have any bogus or weird catalogs in HAM
Jun 27 08:45:41 <Lava_Croft> Is there a known bug that makes conversations turn up empty every now and then?
Jun 27 08:45:48 <Lava_Croft> it seems that restarting hildon-desktop fixes it
Jun 27 08:51:06 <Lava_Croft> seems so! :)
Jun 27 10:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Lava_Croft: ever heard of invisible SMS?
Jun 27 10:04:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/04/silent_sms/
Jun 27 10:06:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
Jun 27 10:07:27 <Lava_Croft> haha
Jun 27 10:07:52 <Lava_Croft> like i said yesterday, the USA can only dream of the shit the Dutch do
Jun 27 10:07:55 <Lava_Croft> sadly
Jun 27 10:08:11 <Lava_Croft> good thing the tourists still think this is a bastion of freedom, sex and drugs
Jun 27 10:16:51 <DocScrutinizer05> this one is a good read on it: http://www.ivizsecurity.com/blog/security-awareness/silent-sms-how-i-know-where-you-were-yesterday-night/
Jun 27 10:16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> with good links
Jun 27 10:28:21 <Lava_Croft> sounds like a great way to empty batteries of terrorists' cellphones
Jun 27 10:42:19 <DocScrutinizer05> well, the DoS for sure
Jun 27 10:42:56 <DocScrutinizer05> related, though not to SMS:
Jun 27 10:43:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gsm-agps
Jun 27 10:43:02 <infobot> rrlp is, like, the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
Jun 27 14:47:31 <SAiF> possibility of jolla model with hardware keyboard?
Jun 27 14:47:42 <SAiF> in near future
Jun 27 14:48:33 <GeneralAntilles> Nobody can talk about that if they know.
Jun 27 14:48:45 <GeneralAntilles> If it's coming, you'll hear an announcement.
Jun 27 14:58:24 <DocScrutinizer05> insiders have good hope
Jun 27 14:58:39 <DocScrutinizer05> though not even they know for sure
Jun 27 14:58:49 <Superpelican> well there have been ideas for a HW keyboard other half
Jun 27 14:59:02 <Superpelican> Jolla said they might produce one if there's enough demand
Jun 27 14:59:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, those ideas are as extraordinary as eating is when you're hungry
Jun 27 14:59:46 * jaska eats keycaps
Jun 27 15:00:00 <DocScrutinizer05> but it's absolutely unvlear if they ever will actually sell such a thing. and when if ever
Jun 27 15:01:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen infobot
Jun 27 15:01:32 <infobot> infobot is currently on #asterisk-doc (2d 21h 7m 47s) #botpark (2d 21h 7m 47s) #gsoc (2d 21h 7m 47s) ##t42 (2d 21h 7m 47s) #maemo (2d 21h 7m 47s) #fredlug (2d 21h 7m 47s) #flyspray (2d 21h 7m 47s) #webos-internals (2d 21h 7m 47s) #opensimpad.org (2d 21h 7m 47s) #gooseproject (2d 21h 7m 47s) #asterisk (2d 21h 7m 47s) #wowprogramming (2d 21h 7m 47s) ...
Jun 27 16:23:42 <GI_Jack> has anyone looked into this, I have this problem too http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!searchin/gmail/n900|sort:date/gmail/3FLTUQ9x1Uk/FxHVWuGGkDYJ
Jun 27 16:30:03 <andre__> GI_Jack, would you like to describe the problem here in words?
Jun 27 16:31:18 <GI_Jack> the stock email client chokes when trying to recieve IMAP messages from gmail
Jun 27 16:43:42 <Lava_Croft> DocScrutinizer51: while we were talking about NL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcnM2QHOauU
Jun 27 16:43:45 <Lava_Croft> :)
Jun 27 16:44:33 <DaRoDi> hi all
Jun 27 16:44:54 <DaRoDi> my gf has this same exact problem on her n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49402
Jun 27 16:45:21 <DaRoDi> i checked, there is still free space on root and everything
Jun 27 16:46:00 <DaRoDi> i tried to delete some conversations, but the conversation screen says: no conversation
Jun 27 16:48:16 <DaRoDi> history of calls has also disapeard
Jun 27 16:48:49 <kerio> are you on pr 1.3?
Jun 27 16:49:11 <DaRoDi> let me check
Jun 27 16:50:53 <DaRoDi> version 21.2011.38-1  kernel 2.6.28-omap1
Jun 27 16:51:11 <DaRoDi> no cssu
Jun 27 17:03:15 <DaRoDi> is there a way to reinit /home/user/.osso-abook/db/ without reflashing maybe?
Jun 27 17:08:30 <merlin1991> mv it and hope for the best?
Jun 27 17:09:32 <DaRoDi> i'm reading here that some ppl flashed and still got the problem afterward... http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Device-Storage-Full-Message-Unable-to-Send-or-Receive-Messages/td-p/578731/page/11
Jun 27 17:09:37 <freemangordon> merlin1991: I guess kill/reboot would be needed
Jun 27 17:09:51 <freemangordon> merlin1991: hi
Jun 27 17:10:00 <freemangordon> merlin1991: team meeting these days?
Jun 27 17:10:04 <DaRoDi> i hope it's not a hardware failure
Jun 27 17:37:36 <DaRoDi> mv /home/user/.osso-abook/db/  didn't change a thing
Jun 27 17:40:26 <DaRoDi> i'll reflash
Jun 27 17:41:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what .osso-abook got to do with receiving SMS
Jun 27 17:41:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather suspect .eventsv1.db or whatever the name
Jun 27 17:47:10 <DaRoDi> you mean /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/e1-v1.db  ?
Jun 27 17:50:04 <Mr_Stupid> DocScrutinizer05: Do you remember me? I still can't upload to extras-devel :( I applied for invitation ~ 1 month ago
Jun 27 17:50:31 <Mr_Stupid> You told me to pester you or merlin1991 if nothing happens :)
Jun 27 17:56:05 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no. 4 weeks ago is like last millenium in my world. I have no more references and need to start all anoew
Jun 27 17:57:05 <Mr_Stupid> I want to upload something to extras-devel but i can't because i need an invitation.
Jun 27 17:57:28 <Mr_Stupid> Nothing happened after i applied for invitation
Jun 27 17:58:28 <freemangordon> Mr_Stupid: I remember someone having the issue, not sure if that were you
Jun 27 17:58:39 <freemangordon> merlin1991: ^^^
Jun 27 17:59:02 <Mr_Stupid> i also wrote an email to garage@maemo.org (thedead1440 suggested that)
Jun 27 17:59:17 <Mr_Stupid> but that didn't work either
Jun 27 17:59:18 * freemangordon wonders where those mails go
Jun 27 17:59:37 <Mr_Stupid> nowhere?
Jun 27 17:59:47 <freemangordon> I doubt
Jun 27 18:01:36 <DaRoDi> DocScrutinizer05: mv /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ worked, thanks a lot
Jun 27 18:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> all to me :-(
Jun 27 18:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and I do sth about them, then forget them. after 4 weeks I really can't recall any deatails anymore
Jun 27 18:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> and I wish people wouldn't send mail to garage@m.o
Jun 27 18:05:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I get a few dozen of this crap per day
Jun 27 18:05:54 <DocScrutinizer05> "I can't vote, Mr garage!"
Jun 27 18:06:07 <DocScrutinizer05> "I can't upload Mr Garage!"
Jun 27 18:06:38 <DocScrutinizer05> "I can't promote, Mr Garage!"
Jun 27 18:07:18 <DocScrutinizer05> usually >50% of mandatory data/details missing
Jun 27 18:11:11 <Mr_Stupid> Ah, so you maybe got my request and maybe something is missing?
Jun 27 18:11:52 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe, how should I know?
Jun 27 18:13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> if you see a chance to send a proper follow-up to your own mail that would create a mail thread in a normal mail client, feel free to do so, and your original mail plus the follow-up will pop up on my radar again
Jun 27 18:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> otherwise I have no means to find your original mail
Jun 27 18:13:48 <merlin1991> Mr_Stupid: I'll check what I have
Jun 27 18:14:35 <Mr_Stupid> My garage account is marshall_banana, email address is marshall.banana@yahoo.de
Jun 27 18:15:03 <merlin1991> hah found the mail
Jun 27 18:15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> now you're talking
Jun 27 18:15:41 * DocScrutinizer05 leaves the topic to merlin1991
Jun 27 18:18:49 <merlin1991> hm intresting
Jun 27 18:19:08 <Mr_Stupid> Ahhh, now something changed. I can go to step 2
Jun 27 18:19:18 <Mr_Stupid> thx four your help
Jun 27 18:19:35 <merlin1991> just keep in mind the package won't actually land in devel after building
Jun 27 18:19:44 <merlin1991> only if you hit me with a stick
Jun 27 18:19:50 <merlin1991> (when it built successfully)
Jun 27 18:54:47 <leandroal> folks. I'm trying to checkout a project via svn from maemo/garage, but i'm getting the following error: svn: E020014: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error
Jun 27 18:55:24 <leandroal> any suggestion? AFAIK, the problem is with the svn server, maybe a disk full
Jun 27 18:58:03 <merlin1991> maybe throw in the repo you're trying to checkout
Jun 27 19:11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> vcs:/var/svn                              50G   47G     0 100% /mnt/vcs_svnroot
Jun 27 19:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> might be right
Jun 27 19:22:45 <leandroal> DocScrutinizer05, yes!!!
Jun 27 19:23:41 <leandroal> DocScrutinizer05, can you please fix?
Jun 27 19:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I will mount an additional surface to the HDD spindle
Jun 27 19:24:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
Jun 27 19:26:48 <DocScrutinizer05> SSL debug enabled, vcs_https_error.log several 100s of MB per day :-S
Jun 27 19:31:53 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: :S
Jun 27 19:32:35 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Jun 27 19:32:58 <DocScrutinizer05> please tell me where to disable debug/info printouts
Jun 27 19:37:56 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: NFC, some apache parameter?
Jun 27 19:38:12 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: BTW, "You should pick up to 5 candidates in sequence of your preference by clicking on them"
Jun 27 19:38:22 <freemangordon> why 5?
Jun 27 19:38:34 <freemangordon> voting for hifo board that is
Jun 27 19:38:46 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Jun 27 19:39:22 <freemangordon> well, i voted for six of six, but still :)
Jun 27 19:40:20 * freemangordon feels sorry for doc being pestered for everything :(
Jun 27 19:40:27 <freemangordon> but not that much :P
Jun 27 20:05:38 <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 83274466 Jun 24 23:59 vcs_https_error.log
Jun 27 20:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> root@vcs:/var/log/apache2/2013/06/24# sed -i '/\[debug\]/d;/\[info\]/d' vcs_https_error.log 
Jun 27 20:05:56 <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   80823 Jun 27 20:04 vcs_https_error.log
Jun 27 20:12:07 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: what about SVN_DBG_QUIET ?
Jun 27 20:12:34 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: lemme check one again
Jun 27 20:31:03 <_jester_> hello world
Jun 27 20:31:08 <_jester_> i hope maemo isnt dead
Jun 27 20:31:16 <DocScrutinizer05> leandroal: try again please
Jun 27 20:31:31 <_jester_> or is trying to die on me, just cause i bought a maemo device
Jun 27 20:32:00 <DocScrutinizer05> up to you
Jun 27 20:32:30 <_jester_> or the hardware people
Jun 27 20:34:55 <_jester_> just a small question, if anyone is alive on the channel. how stable is the testing ssu 
Jun 27 20:35:34 <_jester_> i just installed the community ssu from the maemo.org and was wondering how the testing one compares
Jun 27 20:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> there's cssu-Stable and cssu-Testing
Jun 27 20:45:56 <DocScrutinizer05> recently T has a few ... issues
Jun 27 20:46:29 <_jester_> i just installed cssu - stable
Jun 27 20:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> fine
Jun 27 20:46:48 <_jester_> generally the cutting edge code isnt that unstable
Jun 27 20:47:07 <_jester_> and i was only wondering because i do intend to develop on it as well
Jun 27 20:47:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, besides semi-broken thumbnails in tasknav, what else. My question is serious, is there anything I am not aware of?
Jun 27 20:47:22 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't make a difference
Jun 27 20:47:44 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: you know I was away for a while
Jun 27 20:47:44 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: the friggin fstab episode
Jun 27 20:47:53 <freemangordon> oh, but that's fixed now
Jun 27 20:48:00 <DocScrutinizer05> HAH
Jun 27 20:48:03 <freemangordon> otherwise yes, there were issues
Jun 27 20:48:26 <DocScrutinizer05> let's talk about 2fixed now" in two weeks, ok?
Jun 27 20:48:32 <freemangordon> ok
Jun 27 20:48:52 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: the usual quarantine period :)
Jun 27 20:49:07 <_jester_> seems like i need to buy a new device to dive into this one
Jun 27 20:50:09 <freemangordon> _jester_: usually CSSU-T is pretty much stable, sometimes it happens that we screw it a bit :)
Jun 27 20:50:26 <DocScrutinizer05> A BIT? ;-P
Jun 27 20:50:39 * DocScrutinizer05 wistles
Jun 27 20:50:40 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: come on :P
Jun 27 20:51:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, usually it's been rather stable, but that changed since I stopped bitching
Jun 27 20:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jun 27 20:52:07 <_jester_> well, it happens in all projects
Jun 27 20:52:54 <_jester_> and i suppose the whole linux/community thing comes into play, id jump in after 2 weeks i suppose, create good backups and try and contribute
Jun 27 20:55:16 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what else except git checkout been fux0red by vcs disk eaten by snakes err apache, and why the heck friggin icinga didn't yell like mad
Jun 27 21:01:09 <jimrj> anyone here who could tips be about N770 working repos? ;)
Jun 27 21:06:32 <freemangordon> _jester_: well, usually we do our best to not screw the "users". unfortunately this time it took about 6 months between updates, with all the fuss about migration, repo issues, uncertainity with maemo, etc
Jun 27 21:06:47 <freemangordon> but yeah, we screw it up this time
Jun 27 21:07:36 <Mr_Stupid> i didn't notice any screw up, what happened?
Jun 27 21:08:49 <freemangordon> Mr_Stupid: bootloop if you have SD card and stock kernel
Jun 27 21:09:26 <Mr_Stupid> who has still stock kernel?
Jun 27 21:09:37 <_jester_> freemangordon: im guessing the normal users would have left their n900s a year back and all that would be left are linux geeks who are wishing for a newer maemo device
Jun 27 21:09:53 <freemangordon> Mr_Stupid: lots of people I guess
Jun 27 21:10:06 <freemangordon> _jester_: wrong
Jun 27 21:10:32 <freemangordon> I know at least 3 people which are not linux geeks and love their n900
Jun 27 21:10:36 <freemangordon> oops, 4
Jun 27 21:10:39 <_jester_> thats encouraging
Jun 27 21:11:05 <freemangordon> _jester_: for how long you have your device?
Jun 27 21:11:18 <_jester_> 3 days
Jun 27 21:11:22 <_jester_> :)
Jun 27 21:11:24 <Mr_Stupid> I met two other people so far that had a N900 :)
Jun 27 21:11:38 <freemangordon> Mr_Stupid: had?
Jun 27 21:11:44 <DocScrutinizer05> jimrj: what's the problem with n770 repos? don't we support them?
Jun 27 21:11:56 <freemangordon> _jester_: lets continue in 2 weeks ;)
Jun 27 21:12:12 <Mr_Stupid> Yes, on had usb socket problem. This guy has now android
Jun 27 21:12:13 <freemangordon> _jester_: once you're spoiled, you'll see why :p
Jun 27 21:12:18 <Mr_Stupid> one*
Jun 27 21:12:55 <Mr_Stupid> Other guy has android phone too, but i don't know why
Jun 27 21:13:12 <Macer> hm
Jun 27 21:13:18 <Macer> is there a better nav app than ovi?
Jun 27 21:13:20 * DocScrutinizer05 scratches head and wonders if maemo.org doesn't ship N770 repos anymore
Jun 27 21:13:24 <Macer> ovi maps is godawful
Jun 27 21:13:26 <_jester_> freemangordon: but i bought it specifically cause its linux and its portable, im not a huge fan of smart phones. so far, ive got the cssu-stable, the power kernel, the updated fc-cam drivers, aircrack and openvpn 
Jun 27 21:13:34 <Macer> i vaguely remember there being a better one.. too bad there isn't nokia drive for maemo :-/
Jun 27 21:13:57 <freemangordon> Macer: I am using MobileMaps 10
Jun 27 21:14:15 <Macer> freemangordon: is it free? 
Jun 27 21:14:25 <freemangordon> Macer: there was/is a torrent with hacked version that supports latest android maps
Jun 27 21:14:30 <freemangordon> Macer: no
Jun 27 21:14:49 <Macer> on an n900?
Jun 27 21:14:55 <freemangordon> it was about 100 EUR ;), but you can;t buy it anymore
Jun 27 21:15:06 <freemangordon> Macer: yep, on n900
Jun 27 21:15:33 <Macer> hm. i'll see if i can find it
Jun 27 21:15:42 <freemangordon> Macer: google for mm10 maemo, iirc PB had the torrent
Jun 27 21:15:43 <Macer> but wasn't there an open one?
Jun 27 21:15:51 <freemangordon> MacePi_: there is
Jun 27 21:15:55 <freemangordon> modrana?
Jun 27 21:16:03 <Macer> that may be the one
Jun 27 21:16:05 <Macer> i forget its name
Jun 27 21:16:05 <freemangordon> oops, Macer that is
Jun 27 21:16:23 <Mr_Stupid> marble
Jun 27 21:16:31 <freemangordon> could be
Jun 27 21:16:41 <Mr_Stupid> but i use modrana
Jun 27 21:17:01 <freemangordon> mm10 is just fine with updated maps
Jun 27 21:17:17 <freemangordon> never used modrana so can;t comment
Jun 27 21:17:56 <DocScrutinizer05> there's marble, modrana, and I think a third open one
Jun 27 21:18:05 <Mr_Stupid> navit
Jun 27 21:18:19 <freemangordon> afaik modrana is the only one which is still updated
Jun 27 21:18:29 <freemangordon> could be wrong as well
Jun 27 21:18:41 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, marble devs are eager to push a new version
Jun 27 21:19:00 <freemangordon> ooh, but repos are fscked up :P
Jun 27 21:19:02 <freemangordon> I see
Jun 27 21:19:13 <DocScrutinizer05> but I seem to fail on enabling upload permissions for the guy
Jun 27 21:19:19 <Macer> heh
Jun 27 21:21:04 <freemangordon> well, it is modrana after all ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1355230&postcount=1407
Jun 27 21:21:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Bernhard Beschow ?
Jun 27 21:22:28 <freemangordon> is that MartinK's name?
Jun 27 21:25:27 <_jester_> freemangordon: would programs compiled for maemo4 give me issues if i install them on the cssu-stable ?
Jun 27 21:25:56 <freemangordon> _jester_: if they are compiled with -mthumb, then yes
Jun 27 21:26:41 <_jester_> i guess theres only one way to find out if they are ... im going in
Jun 27 21:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, an hour ago somebody been really busy with repo
Jun 27 21:27:28 <freemangordon> _jester_: I remember Pali trying to run some plugin from Maemo4, getting sigills as it was thumb-compiled
Jun 27 21:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess maemo4 apps will usually not work great on maemo5
Jun 27 21:28:15 <freemangordon> _jester_: if you are brave, install CSSU-thumb
Jun 27 21:28:18 <merlin1991> busy with repo?
Jun 27 21:28:30 <DocScrutinizer05> check ganglia ;-D
Jun 27 21:28:46 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: why is that (maemo4 apps)
Jun 27 21:29:17 <freemangordon> aren't those GTK ones?
Jun 27 21:29:20 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe because of hildon desktop and windows working slightly different?
Jun 27 21:29:24 <_jester_> freemangordon: well there are loads more packages in the maemo.org/packages under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting
Jun 27 21:29:56 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe because the layout and decoration is pretty different on maemo4
Jun 27 21:29:58 <freemangordon> _jester_: hmm? rephrase please
Jun 27 21:30:29 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe just because maemo4 devices have a menu button
Jun 27 21:30:58 <_jester_> freemangordon: it has abiword, the word processor. thats not showing up in my application installer(s) 
Jun 27 21:31:10 <_jester_> i have three of those
Jun 27 21:31:40 <freemangordon> _jester_: thats weird, ther is abiword for fremantle(unstable but still). or I am misreading.
Jun 27 21:31:54 <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: what IS your device?
Jun 27 21:31:59 <freemangordon> yeah
Jun 27 21:32:07 <freemangordon> oh, wait
Jun 27 21:32:11 <freemangordon> CSSU-stable ;)
Jun 27 21:32:18 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: ^^^
Jun 27 21:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Jun 27 21:32:30 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: its a nokia n900
Jun 27 21:32:38 <DocScrutinizer05> so you ARE on maemo5
Jun 27 21:32:45 <DocScrutinizer05> aka fremantle
Jun 27 21:32:46 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: he said he has installed CSSU-S
Jun 27 21:32:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so whatß
Jun 27 21:33:13 <freemangordon> <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: what IS your device?
Jun 27 21:33:27 <_jester_> with cssu-stable and kernel-power
Jun 27 21:33:30 <freemangordon> he can't install it on anything else
Jun 27 21:34:03 <_jester_> so i need to be on the cssu-testing for the repos to open their bounty for me ?
Jun 27 21:34:03 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: you're wrong, there's a cssu for diablo as well
Jun 27 21:34:19 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: is it called CSSU-Stable?
Jun 27 21:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno
Jun 27 21:34:26 <freemangordon> _jester_: no
Jun 27 21:34:41 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: afaik it is called just "CSSU"
Jun 27 21:34:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly don't care
Jun 27 21:35:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I won't assume when I'm confronted with >>well there are loads more packages in the maemo.org/packages under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting<<
Jun 27 21:35:34 <Macer> heh
Jun 27 21:35:45 <Macer> so it's called modrana?
Jun 27 21:35:53 <_jester_> freemangordon: so essentially, i either have to put in the development repos in the source.list 
Jun 27 21:36:04 <_jester_> :)
Jun 27 21:36:06 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe I should've asked "what repo DO you have on your device then?"
Jun 27 21:36:24 <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: you don't have to do any of that
Jun 27 21:36:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you should have an extras-repo enabled in your HAM catalog list
Jun 27 21:37:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and if you feel venturous, you should enale extras-devel for a short while, install one or two apps you're interested in, and immediately disable extras-devel again
Jun 27 21:38:00 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: I couldnt actually fidn the HAM application and it did not install automatically with the cssu update
Jun 27 21:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Jun 27 21:38:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~HAM
Jun 27 21:38:19 <infobot> somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
Jun 27 21:39:33 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: the application manager that is there by default ?
Jun 27 21:39:39 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jun 27 21:39:58 <freemangordon> _jester_: yes
Jun 27 21:40:04 <freemangordon> _jester_: you only need maemo-extras repo for stable applications
Jun 27 21:40:13 <freemangordon> and that should be enabled by default
Jun 27 21:40:31 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: doc, wait, it is fremantle-1.3 :(
Jun 27 21:40:34 <_jester_> alright, id give it a go, and enable the the more adventurous repos on it too, thanks guys
Jun 27 21:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: you shouldn't approach maemo like an experienced linux user. You'd easily assume stuff that's not applicable for maemo
Jun 27 21:40:51 <freemangordon> _jester_: give it some time
Jun 27 21:41:01 <freemangordon> don't enable extras-tesing and extras-devel
Jun 27 21:41:16 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: :nod:
Jun 27 21:41:20 <freemangordon> however,
Jun 27 21:41:29 * freemangordon is out, night guys
Jun 27 21:41:39 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
Jun 27 21:42:03 <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: e.g youz usually should be vary to use apt-get install
Jun 27 21:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and *never* use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade
Jun 27 21:42:51 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: so community ssu is enabled, testing, devel and thumb are not
Jun 27 21:42:53 <DocScrutinizer05> likewise you shouldn't edit apt's catalog lists manually
Jun 27 21:43:29 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: id keep that tip in my head, but thats what ive been doing for the past 3 days
Jun 27 21:43:37 <DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty fine. It been another fuckup in CSSU to even include those repos to the list, though disabled
Jun 27 21:44:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you did what since 3 days?
Jun 27 21:44:46 <jimrj> DocScrutinizer05: download extras repo, but n770 doesnt seem to get updates... just need to install dependencies for openntpd and so on... get HTTP Error 302 - Moved temporarily
Jun 27 21:45:03 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: but i could probably install the development environment (gcc, make, autoconf) on the device and compile some things directly from source, right ?
Jun 27 21:45:34 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: 3 days = apt-get, and vi and dpkg
Jun 27 21:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty good chances to mess up your system fubar
Jun 27 21:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> (install gcc...) won't work
Jun 27 21:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't have enough storage in rootfs
Jun 27 21:48:05 <DocScrutinizer05> those few maddogs who do compile on N900 usually use a chroot for that
Jun 27 21:48:24 <DocScrutinizer05> easydeb is popular I heard
Jun 27 21:48:39 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: how about a seperate development environment on an sd card i could chroot to ?
Jun 27 21:48:51 <_jester_> ah
Jun 27 21:48:51 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D ^^^
Jun 27 21:48:56 <_jester_> :P
Jun 27 21:49:05 <_jester_> i suppose id be one f those mad dogs then
Jun 27 21:49:47 <_jester_> and im glad my system is running quite smoothly, no hiccups or random jerks even
Jun 27 21:50:40 <DocScrutinizer05> YAY, we almost have 10 users who publicly announced they just voted :-)
Jun 27 21:51:57 <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: I'd almost say that's normal
Jun 27 21:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd be rather pissed when I would experience hiccups or jerks on my device
Jun 27 21:53:29 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: well only considering how you said playing around like it was a normal linux system would mess it up, im just glad i didnt
Jun 27 21:53:57 <DocScrutinizer05> you might notice later on
Jun 27 21:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> when catalogs you edited in magically vanish when you start HAM next time
Jun 27 21:54:33 <Macer> uhm
Jun 27 21:54:51 <DocScrutinizer05> or when apt or HAM complain about unmet dependencies or conflicts
Jun 27 21:55:00 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity, the device (nokia n900) does have an IR reciever so it could be controlled by an external remote, right ?
Jun 27 21:55:03 * Macer wonders why his txting isn't working after his update
Jun 27 21:55:10 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jun 27 21:55:14 <Macer> uhm
Jun 27 21:55:37 <_jester_> thats sad, would have been fun with the fm transmitter in the car n all
Jun 27 21:56:09 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Jun 27 21:56:53 * Macer reboots
Jun 27 21:56:55 <Macer> that was odd
Jun 27 21:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, you want to IR-control the mediaplayer?
Jun 27 21:57:05 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer05: yup
Jun 27 21:57:13 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jun 27 21:57:57 <_jester_> or other things too
Jun 27 21:59:50 <Macer> wth i updated and now my txts keep pending
Jun 27 21:59:52 <Macer> :-/
Jun 27 22:01:47 <Macer> ok. seriously. txting is broken now :-/
Jun 27 22:02:49 <Macer> like it isn't showing any of the conversations
Jun 27 22:03:05 <Macer> argh. is there a way to go back? can i just remove teh cssu update and roll back?
Jun 27 22:03:12 <Macer> something broke telepathy
Jun 27 22:05:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Macer: hardly cssu
Jun 27 22:06:12 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: uhm. then what can it be? i updated. and now it doesn't work. 
Jun 27 22:06:20 <Macer> seems to be a pretty clear cut relationship heh
Jun 27 22:08:05 <Macer> wth
Jun 27 22:08:26 <Macer> telepathy/conversations is totally screwed
Jun 27 22:10:05 <Macer> of all the silly ass things to break
Jun 27 22:10:25 <Macer> is there some sort of config i can remove and allow to reinitialize in order to get it owrking again?
Jun 27 22:12:54 <Macer> blah. let me go back to my damn e7
Jun 27 22:13:00 <Macer> can't really use the device without the txting
Jun 27 22:13:46 <Macer> DocScrutinizer05: i was txting all day on it... updated... now telepathy/convsations is totally broken
Jun 27 22:18:02 <Macer> e7 works fine for txting ... so it isn't a sim problem. 
Jun 28 00:12:26 <discopig> hi
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