**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 03 02:59:58 2013 Jul 03 04:38:54 Silicon Dioxide is an insulator. Jul 03 04:56:18 blah Jul 03 04:56:28 sociality news feed doesnt work again Jul 03 04:56:35 fking facebook heh Jul 03 05:00:55 ah ok. the one on devel is broken Jul 03 05:01:01 the one from the forum works Jul 03 05:01:07 ah well good enough :) Jul 03 05:09:20 ecc3g, I had the GSM modem problem, so I tried fixing it as described with loctite, don't do that, its a thread sealer, which is great inside threads, but its too brittle to be used as a GP glue Jul 03 05:09:52 so I decided I needed an adhesive that good wiggle, cause I move around a lot and ride a motorcycle Jul 03 05:10:15 so I tried gluing the GSM modem back together with silcone gasket maket Jul 03 05:10:18 maker Jul 03 05:10:24 do not do this. Jul 03 05:10:36 hmm. Jul 03 05:11:00 I never thought of gluing electronic components together... Jul 03 07:58:10 indeed, I can't follow what's this all about Jul 03 08:20:00 ACM ICPC world finals now live on http://icpc2013.ru/competition/live.xml Jul 03 09:40:59 but should be special silicon like that be can used on electronic things, second thing im not sure but normal silicon should contain acid and dont sure if interact with pbc... Jul 03 10:00:55 the term silicon for everything based on Si is as ambiguous and missleading as if I'd use "carbon" for every mineral oil and alcohol and usual glue and acrylic and whatnot else Jul 03 10:03:20 everything's highly doped nowadays because Si just doesn't cut it anymore Jul 03 10:12:13 in German "Silikon" means Poly(organo)siloxane Jul 03 10:12:26 while Si is "Silizium" Jul 03 10:12:35 same here Jul 03 10:14:06 and nobody would think SiO2 is introducing any problem to electronics by shorting circuits or whatever Jul 03 10:15:25 btw carbon also is a semiconductor Jul 03 10:16:41 and nobody would expect that all organic compounds are shorting electronics just because they contain carbon as component in their molecules Jul 03 10:17:15 still I completely fail to grok what this "fix cmt with glue" stuff is all about Jul 03 10:18:15 isn't cmt's problem bad soldering? Jul 03 10:18:46 if you're talking about gluing the springs into place, then you indeed shouldn't worry about conductivity of the glue since it only is in contact to backside of ceramic chip body Jul 03 10:18:54 rikanee: exactly Jul 03 10:32:24 ok Jul 03 10:32:26 I have ordered n900 Jul 03 10:32:45 \o/ Jul 03 10:32:50 I know its not new phone, but I still love linux Jul 03 10:32:59 gnu/linux* even Jul 03 10:33:16 I have samsung with android Jul 03 10:33:20 I don't like it Jul 03 10:33:28 I am sure linux much better Jul 03 10:33:46 how come no new hardware mobile for meamo Jul 03 10:34:05 I don;t understand Jul 03 10:38:53 DrCode: one analysis is available at http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/ . Well, perhaps not analysis, but one gets the picture. Just start reading some 2 years from now to get the full picture. And take the message with grain of salt. Jul 03 10:42:44 I see Jul 03 10:43:48 I think for what I need on my mobile , n900 answers to my needs Jul 03 10:44:05 so I don't need all fast hardware Jul 03 10:44:43 meamo have updates for sofware and so? apt-get update Jul 03 10:49:57 DrCode: welcome to the club Jul 03 10:50:01 :-) Jul 03 10:50:13 thankyou Jul 03 10:53:04 DrCode: no, maemo is considered "mature" since PR1.3, and also Nokia stopped support for and abandoned that product line. So no official updates for maemo OS and core apps. However the community contributions you can get from extras(-*) repos see frequent updates still (well some of them), and then we also have CSSU which tries to provide bugfixes and core system improvements/augments on a FOSS basis, complementary to the Nokia core maemo Jul 03 10:53:06 repos Jul 03 10:53:35 Only negative thing I have for n900 is: no Sonos controller, some of the websites kill Opera (or just take all CPU, are slow), but in general I have no second thoughts on having this phone. Jul 03 10:53:40 ok Jul 03 10:53:54 thnku Jul 03 10:55:54 (or take all CPU) HAH, that's not an unseen issue even on my i5 desktop Jul 03 10:58:20 blame "web programmers" who think it's a brilliant idea and a good reference for own qualification to have a maximum messed up ecmascript (aka javascript) website that however is coded in such a pathetic way that it either eats all your resources for nothing, or even doesn't work at all when any miniscule detail of your webbrowser settings / environment is not exactly like what that devel expected it to be Jul 03 10:58:34 jolla.com an excellent example Jul 03 10:58:45 DocScrutinizer05: practically nothing except multithreaded video re-encoding eats 100% CPU on a dual-socket 24-thread machine Jul 03 10:59:30 given, this build was overkill for a workstation, but nothing ever burns up a core anymore Jul 03 10:59:48 sure, but I see bowser eating one of my 4 cores 100% every now and then Jul 03 10:59:53 always JS Jul 03 11:00:01 DocScrutinizer05: which browser? Jul 03 11:00:06 konqueror Jul 03 11:00:17 mmm. Jul 03 11:00:57 Firefox 21 on Arch, even websites with JS that make the tab hang doesn't make CPU use jump to more than 30% per core Jul 03 11:01:04 and no matter if konqueror or FF, many of those JS sites tend to eat 1, 2, or 3 or 4 GIGAbytes of ram, after keeping window open for several days Jul 03 11:01:04 RAM though, is another story Jul 03 11:01:52 even monitor.maemo.org does Jul 03 11:03:11 at least once a week I have to close all ganlia and icinga and mrtg windows/tabs to avoid my machine running out of RAM Jul 03 11:04:08 largely a result of current JS engines caching byte code in RAM, IIRC. Jul 03 11:08:02 not only bytecode, I blame image cache for refreshing graphics / pictures Jul 03 11:11:50 Heh, the same exits on my i7 machine running ubuntu 12.04 and ff21 :) Closing ff to release 3gb out of 4gb total memory is inevitable, at least once in a week! Jul 03 11:12:01 exists* Jul 03 11:12:29 jolla is n900 like? Jul 03 11:16:04 jolla does not have real keyboard Jul 03 11:20:20 DocScrutinizer05, my wireless connecting problem has been resolved by reinstalling 'ipv6-support' and 'libicd-network-ipv6-scripts' using 'dpkg -i --force-all', because normal installations return and error each time. Jul 03 11:20:32 just for info Jul 03 11:23:04 amin007110: thanks Jul 03 11:23:46 I thought as much, since all dmesg/syslog quotes always show a line like "no ipv6 accesspoints found" Jul 03 11:24:22 router Jul 03 11:24:30 ~usbfix Jul 03 11:24:41 arf no infobot Jul 03 11:25:48 merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 Jul 03 11:26:07 thanks sixwheeledbeast Jul 03 11:26:16 np Jul 03 11:27:15 merlin1991: (infobot) seems Tim's DSL or server is down Jul 03 11:28:19 amin007110: oooh "router"? makes even more sense, this might refer to _local_ router, on system Jul 03 11:29:44 The line exactly is "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present". Jul 03 11:32:00 gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP Jul 03 11:32:31 gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP|grep ipv Jul 03 11:32:53 only ipv4 for me Jul 03 11:33:44 I wonder if ipv6 would mess up stuff there, or awake a sleeping bug Jul 03 11:34:39 here both ipv6 and ipv4 Jul 03 11:34:49 ipv6_autoconf = 1 Jul 03 11:34:50 :nod: Jul 03 11:34:54 thought as much Jul 03 11:36:53 japa-fi: rollback opera hear help a lot... Jul 03 11:37:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85357 post 10 and 13 is related to my problem with a few differences in error messages :) Jul 03 11:37:45 for ipv6 support there is package in extras-devel Jul 03 11:38:17 I see Jul 03 11:38:55 * Drathir using nightly browser mostly on pc... Jul 03 11:39:08 oh yeah! Inst libicd-network-ipv6-scripts (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle) Inst ipv6-support (0.2 Extras-devel:2.0/fremantle) Jul 03 11:39:27 extras-devel is notorious to eat your cat and your device Jul 03 11:41:00 golden rule: do installas from extras-devel UTTERLY CONSCIOUSLY, and EXPECT and SEARCH FOR problems after any such install or update Jul 03 12:03:30 Even if you don't have a cat, it will eat someones then cough it up in your hallway ;) Jul 03 12:05:46 * Drathir dont want allow hurt the any cat... :p Jul 03 12:06:25 nyancat :yum: Jul 03 12:06:50 yea... Jul 03 12:07:47 well, at least my cats are always hungry! hehe ! Jul 03 12:09:16 it would appear nyan.cat has gone pirate lately :) Jul 03 12:09:17 maybe someone else steal a cats meal? Jul 03 12:10:05 im jokeing ofc... Jul 03 12:10:13 yes, Neighbor's cat! lol Jul 03 12:17:59 when your cats (plural!) are not defending their own food with claws and teeth - literally - then they are a) lazy b) chicken c) too fat d) very unhappy for "being imprisoned", but anyway they are very unusual Jul 03 12:18:56 usually they wouldn't allow neighbour's cat to join their dinner ;-) Jul 03 12:21:22 a & b Jul 03 12:25:37 DocScrutinizer05: maybe *your* cats are just assholes who don't want to share :c Jul 03 12:35:56 :3 Jul 03 12:38:20 DocScrutinizer05: or one possibilities have a surgery to dont have more cats, and then sometimes cats also dont try to catch bird i hear but dont know it is true... Jul 03 12:41:17 DocScrutinizer05: silly question, but how did you remove the 2nd pcb that is around the camera? Jul 03 13:17:42 low and gently Jul 03 13:17:46 slow* Jul 03 13:18:05 it's ds-sticky taped Jul 03 13:18:47 so, you need not too cold temperatures (some 30°C are probably fine), and slowly pry it off Jul 03 13:19:55 apply gentle force and wait until it comes off, may take a minute or two before it noticeably starts moving Jul 03 13:20:42 as soon as it starts moving, you reduce force significantly Jul 03 13:21:37 when done carefully, you might even re-use the ds-sticky Jul 03 13:22:46 when it breaks or gets messed up (sticks to itself) then discard it completely and if you think you like that, replace with tesa doublesided transparent sticky tape stripes Jul 03 13:23:34 it's not exactly mandatory in my book, probably mainly needed for ease of automatic assembly Jul 03 15:42:51 I was careful enough to be able to stick mine back again. Jul 03 17:27:01 merlin1991: please update http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropbox-python-sdk/ with https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118300.html Jul 03 18:09:58 hi all Jul 03 18:10:42 I didn't got my n900 phone yet, but I want to know how can I install fresh and latest meamo Jul 03 18:12:32 merlin1991: you managed to pry off the uSD/flash board? Jul 03 19:09:08 DocScrutinizer05: yep, it turned out the glue was quite strong, but nothing in the way actually Jul 03 19:26:33 merlin1991: please update http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropbox-python-sdk/ with https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118300.html Jul 03 19:30:16 DocScrutinizer05: wtf? Jul 03 19:33:39 Marshall_Banana: it should arrive there 'soonish' Jul 03 19:34:08 merlin: Yeah, i just checked build dir in that moment :) Jul 03 19:34:17 merlin1991: thx Jul 03 19:35:05 actually I have no idea what updates the webpage, but the file is in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dropbox-python-sdk/ Jul 03 19:37:33 Is there any way i can become maintainer of that package? Jul 03 19:47:58 hi Jul 03 19:51:01 Marshall_Banana: did you try the request to be a maintainer link? Jul 03 19:51:42 merlin1991: the page doesn't show the nick, maybe because i use the extras assistant to upload Jul 03 19:51:54 Marshall_Banana: go to the page and log in Jul 03 19:52:30 then you should see a "Request to be maintainer of this package" where the maintainer is missing Jul 03 19:55:38 merlin1991: you were right, i wasn't logged in :s Jul 03 19:56:05 and I approved you :) Jul 03 19:58:24 thx Jul 03 20:26:40 is this considered normal? http://wnd.katei.fi/tmp/n900.jpeg (right after full reflash and installation of cssu) Jul 03 20:26:58 thinking about it, I've seen this before, but back then I didn't think much about it... Jul 03 20:28:54 funny thing is, that only appears with Settings, it blurs when I open an application menu and it transforms when I switch to task manager (or whatever that view with application thumbnails is called) Jul 03 20:29:24 ah, it also appears with ham Jul 03 20:30:01 erm, lets just say it appears with all applications Jul 03 20:30:26 but only in ~title bar Jul 03 20:30:35 regardless of screen orientation Jul 03 20:31:23 happens to me sometimes, not as badly Jul 03 20:31:51 graphical bug Jul 03 20:31:52 idem, restart wnd Jul 03 20:32:06 wnd? Jul 03 20:32:35 wnd, restart Jul 03 20:32:37 :) Jul 03 20:32:37 will restart at some point anyway, I've got tons of stuff to reinstall and restore Jul 03 20:33:10 is thumb version of cssu worth trying? Jul 03 20:33:14 oh hell yes Jul 03 20:33:25 microb feels amazing Jul 03 20:35:18 wnd: yep this is "normal" it is the graphics core not initalizing properly which happens once upon a time Jul 03 20:35:29 reboot and never think about it again is the only advice I have :D Jul 03 20:35:48 i've noticed that it happens a lot less if you let it boot completely before hammering on it Jul 03 20:36:28 some weird race condition in the graphics core? Jul 03 20:36:47 sounds believable Jul 04 00:28:04 <_jester_> hello world Jul 04 00:28:10 <_jester_> are the repos down ? Jul 04 00:51:09 repos should be up again Jul 04 01:16:33 <_jester_> xes: thanks, they are up now, and i apologise for disappearing but some basic power outage issues at my end Jul 04 01:44:54 hi all Jul 04 01:45:10 how do I fresh install meamo ? Jul 04 01:47:04 <_jester_> fresh install = flashing Jul 04 01:47:15 <_jester_> theres a great guide on the wiki, thats how i did it Jul 04 01:47:41 <_jester_> would you like me to post the link ? Jul 04 01:48:43 <_jester_> DrCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Jul 04 01:48:55 ok Jul 04 01:48:57 thankyou Jul 04 01:49:16 I didn't got my device yet, but I now understand how to flash it Jul 04 01:49:31 I just bout n900 on ebay Jul 04 01:53:02 <_jester_> well, its a great device, and theres another very good page on the wiki Jul 04 01:53:12 <_jester_> called "the perfect setup" Jul 04 01:53:24 <_jester_> go through the wiki and youd probably know more than you need to Jul 04 01:53:36 <_jester_> i got mine a week back, been playing with it ever since Jul 04 01:55:42 I read that is battry not so good Jul 04 01:56:17 I mean , is there solution? Jul 04 01:57:36 <_jester_> depends on how you use it, you can certainly optimize usage Jul 04 01:57:57 <_jester_> i mean i use it sparingly and i get more than a day to a charge Jul 04 01:58:59 <_jester_> theres a great app like "auto dissconnect" that closes idle connections wifi, gprs and bluetooth Jul 04 01:59:18 <_jester_> that helps a lot and i highly recommend it, cause thats usually what eats up the battery Jul 04 01:59:54 ok Jul 04 02:00:11 I am thinking to buy microusb portable charger battry Jul 04 02:00:24 I found one that also support n900 Jul 04 02:00:31 1980mha Jul 04 02:00:42 <_jester_> you can probably get loads of accessories , as have i Jul 04 02:01:06 <_jester_> personal recommendation, for the first time, fully charge your phone with it being turned off Jul 04 02:01:19 <_jester_> helps with the new battery but also helps with the old ones Jul 04 02:01:20 ok Jul 04 02:01:48 what amazed me , is that long time pass since nokia released n900, and still its the best phone Jul 04 02:02:45 <_jester_> well, i guess because you can customize it more than any other device you can buy Jul 04 02:03:12 <_jester_> i make my n900 do all sorts of weird things Jul 04 02:03:23 I know that ubuntu toch , mybe will try to do the same Jul 04 02:03:58 <_jester_> still with the community cssu , use easy debian if you feel experimental Jul 04 02:04:18 but I think meamo is much more customized Jul 04 02:04:23 yes Jul 04 02:04:34 is there good multi protocol IM Jul 04 02:04:43 I read that pidgin have supportin maemo Jul 04 02:05:13 I want also to connect my google+ and rss feed, I am using feadly Jul 04 02:07:00 <_jester_> pidgin Jul 04 02:07:17 <_jester_> once you get the n900, youd find all the relevant software in the application manager Jul 04 02:07:43 <_jester_> and yes, you can use the rss feeds, i use 3-4 feeds on mine Jul 04 02:08:24 <_jester_> unfortunately i have to leave DrCode , id catch you around, hopefully when you have the n900 with you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 04 02:59:59 2013