**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 04 02:59:59 2013 Jul 04 06:26:32 thankyou _jester Jul 04 08:45:56 Hello Jul 04 10:02:02 is there any known bug with hdrcapture and saving photos? Jul 04 10:02:32 it seems it doesnt save the photo and hangs, closing it still means i have to manually kill the process Jul 04 10:06:58 it seems it hangs when trying to take the pictures Jul 04 10:07:05 normal camera works fine Jul 04 10:10:34 I get semiregular hangups/reboots with hdrcapture/fcamera and semiregular broken images even when everything seems to be going just fine Jul 04 10:11:02 it has always worked fine for me... Jul 04 10:12:07 annoying... Jul 04 10:17:17 found it Jul 04 10:17:39 camera save location was microsd from the start Jul 04 10:17:55 changing to save on emmc and then using hdrcam again fixed it Jul 04 10:18:09 i guess hdrcapture was missing DCIM folder on emmc Jul 04 10:19:43 Am I asking for troubles if I restore only rootFS and leave optFS untouched? Jul 04 10:20:12 I think some update which I've done recently has messed up my camera (can't start regular camera nor BlessN900) Jul 04 10:21:17 My idea would be restoring rootfs to rollback the system to earlier state, not to restore optfs so that I would have all the required packages ready for reinstall of tweetian Jul 04 10:21:57 isnt it easier to just reinstall pkgs required by tweetian Jul 04 10:22:01 Ah never mind., I'll scp those to my pc Jul 04 10:22:16 you can just dpkg -i the tweetian .deb Jul 04 10:22:24 and then apt-get -f install to make it pull the deps Jul 04 10:22:27 I'm the dude who had serious troubles getting the required packages from repositories Jul 04 10:22:53 i couldnt find that meego compat pkg either Jul 04 10:22:59 i used apt-get -f install :P Jul 04 10:23:28 but moving the .debs onto your n900 will work just as well:) Jul 04 10:36:37 I wonder if I broke my phone.. Can't get it to boot anymore. neither does it accept keyboard input in backupmenu Jul 04 10:37:55 Guess is reflash time.. Jul 04 10:41:15 :( Jul 04 10:45:41 Wouldn't that be an issue with the kernel in question to cause the device (N900) to not boot anymore? Jul 04 10:46:10 It did boot prior to me restoring the backup. Jul 04 10:46:30 was the backup made with the same kernel as your current device Jul 04 10:46:30 Though... The backup is prior to me installing kernel for powerusers Jul 04 10:46:35 thats the problem there Jul 04 10:46:44 you need the same kernel when restoring a backup and when the backup was made Jul 04 10:46:59 But heck, I can't even access backupmenu (keyboard not functional) Jul 04 10:47:04 Sounds like the backup contained a different kernel than what you already now have. Hence it wouldn't boot (it would show something like kpanic). Jul 04 10:47:05 yup Jul 04 10:47:18 at least you learned the hard lesson now:< Jul 04 10:47:27 At least this time I have backups :) Jul 04 10:47:28 as quite a few of us have:D Jul 04 10:47:42 if you restore the backup, make sure the current device runs the same kernel as the backup Jul 04 10:48:00 I think you might be able to get away with flashing nokia kernel instead if you still have all the appropriate libs for that kernel. Jul 04 10:48:15 Do you have the multiboot menu, nitroid, stock kernel, powerkernel, backupmenu? Jul 04 10:48:20 backupmenu Jul 04 10:48:27 ^ (same) Jul 04 10:48:36 and i tried to flash a backup with kp5x onto a stock nokia kernel device Jul 04 10:48:38 which breaks it Jul 04 10:48:53 I was wondering if I should install it, but decided not to as I had "perfectly working setup" . Don't fix if not broken.. Jul 04 10:49:14 :) Jul 04 10:49:40 to be safe, after i reflash, i update to latest CSSU and install latest KP Jul 04 10:49:43 before restoring backup Jul 04 10:49:58 (if the backup requires it:) Jul 04 10:49:58 KP = Kernel power? Jul 04 10:50:01 yeah Jul 04 10:50:17 its important that the kernel on the device that recieves the backup is the same as the kernel in the backup itself Jul 04 10:50:32 Well, now we will see what comes out of restore to plain nokia without installing CSSU prior that Jul 04 10:50:41 :| Jul 04 10:50:46 thankgod you still have the photos! Jul 04 10:50:50 er i mean backup :) Jul 04 10:51:24 The rammstein concert photos will be gone :( (Not many, but anyway...) Jul 04 10:54:59 Oh, why didn't I create USB stick with some room for files. Could have saved the FW files + flasher there.. Jul 04 11:01:18 japa-fi: you could load rescue kernel and copy to sd Jul 04 11:02:15 How is that done? Jul 04 11:04:32 how do I put rescueOS in as a uboot entry? Jul 04 11:05:04 ITEM_KERNEL="2.6.37" Jul 04 11:05:04 ITEM_INITRD="rescueOS-1.0.img" Jul 04 11:05:04 ITEM_CMDLINE="rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Jul 04 11:05:15 also ITEM_NAME to whatever you want Jul 04 11:05:37 and the kernel? Jul 04 11:05:44 2.6.37 is the name of the kerne Jul 04 11:05:45 l Jul 04 11:05:46 no need to ubootize it? Jul 04 11:06:00 put kernel and initrd in /boot or /opt/boot and then run u-boot-update-bootmenu Jul 04 11:06:08 it'll be automatically ubootified Jul 04 11:06:15 ah ok, thanks Jul 04 11:07:39 oh, and you also need ITEM_OMAPATAG="1" Jul 04 11:07:39 kerio: lastly, where do I put the initrd? Jul 04 11:07:46 Anyone have the flasher. Nokias website is messed up, the windows version downloads ok, but not the debian package Jul 04 11:07:59 still in /boot or /opt/boot Jul 04 11:08:03 "Duplicate headers received from server" is what chrome says Jul 04 11:08:19 japa-fi: try in IE or firefox Jul 04 11:08:30 I needed to try different browsers Jul 04 11:08:30 Tried with firefox.. Jul 04 11:08:42 I'll boot a VM to try with IE Jul 04 11:09:10 wget? Jul 04 11:09:28 Lava_Croft: needs some funny cookie or GET/POST to work Jul 04 11:09:57 ah yeah of course Jul 04 11:11:15 Funnily, the windows binary can be downloaded without issues Jul 04 11:18:09 japa-fi: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ Jul 04 11:19:53 Thanks, Just managed to pull it off with IE Jul 04 11:20:03 Now I have those files also saved for future use Jul 04 11:21:05 ~bm Jul 04 11:21:05 [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jul 04 11:49:07 japa-fi: Lava_Croft: psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242 Jul 04 11:52:29 good idea Jul 04 11:55:52 restored- Now restarting. Keeping fingers crossed Jul 04 11:59:48 We are Liiiiiive! Jul 04 12:00:04 minus kernel for power users, minus tweetian Jul 04 12:02:27 now, where could I get the compability package required by tweetian Jul 04 12:06:01 Could someone provide me with a link to qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat Jul 04 12:06:05 package Jul 04 12:10:22 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if somebody with a tiny bit of http/html knowledge is willing to help fix the "duplicate headers" problem as of quoted above Jul 04 12:11:59 ~flasher Jul 04 12:11:59 from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 04 12:12:08 Found solution to compability package, was in irc logs Jul 04 12:12:31 DocScrutinizer05: nokia's web server is broken/non-standard. Jul 04 12:12:46 rikanee: we can do sth about that Jul 04 12:13:16 just tell me what needs to be done Jul 04 12:13:39 DocScrutinizer05: mirror the website in IE, throw it up on Skeiron which has some newer httpd. Jul 04 12:13:51 nonsense Jul 04 12:14:10 a) that's already done, b) that's not what I asked for Jul 04 12:15:03 I want to fix the original place where to download all that stuff Jul 04 12:15:38 NOK1V still won't redirect tablets-dev to skein? Jul 04 12:15:42 *skeiron Jul 04 12:15:49 eh? Jul 04 12:16:28 point tablets-dev.nokia.com's A record to skein, and "fix" the original place to download. Jul 04 12:16:37 rikanee: you know about unix tools host, dig, whois? Jul 04 12:16:52 rikanee: that's extreme nonsense Jul 04 12:17:11 particularly since we have NO control over the DNS records Jul 04 12:17:16 of nokia domains Jul 04 12:17:44 we *have* _some_ control over the _content_ of _some_ domains though Jul 04 12:18:43 so please tell me what's wrong with the content, rather than suggesting botching with DNS Jul 04 12:19:29 DocScrutinizer05: the HTML is correct. Jul 04 12:19:43 it's missing doctype and all, but it should work. Jul 04 12:19:50 I won't abandon/abuse a akamai server farm to redirect to a 50EUR/month server at Hetzner ;-D Jul 04 12:22:34 ~listvalues maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 04 12:22:36 Factoid search of 'maemo-dev-env-downloads.php' by value (1): flasher. Jul 04 12:22:42 hmm Jul 04 12:31:06 goddamn php! Jul 04 12:31:17 http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 04 12:32:06 watch URL when "Accept"! Jul 04 12:36:29 <_jester_> hello world Jul 04 12:36:48 rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with tablets-dev.nokia.com flasher (et al) download? Jul 04 12:36:57 <_jester_> so finally reflashed, and on the channel through the phone Jul 04 12:37:09 hello _jester_ Jul 04 12:37:24 hmm, xchat Jul 04 12:37:27 :-) Jul 04 12:37:37 ~jrxchat Jul 04 12:37:37 it has been said that jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Jul 04 12:37:39 <_jester_> and the doc wanted to double check Jul 04 12:38:30 <_jester_> is that better DocScrutinizer05? Jul 04 12:38:52 <_jester_> i got this cause im used to the interface on my desktop Jul 04 12:38:53 well, some users say it's mandatory to make xchat usable Jul 04 12:40:09 <_jester_> its an old client, something i used to usee back in the day IRC was the only social media Jul 04 12:40:21 <_jester_> i guess its nostalgia Jul 04 12:41:03 <_jester_> thankgod people arnt saying that about bitchx Jul 04 12:41:16 IrcII is the real thing. Jul 04 12:41:42 <_jester_> see, there you go, purists Jul 04 12:42:19 But now I'm on xchat (fedora), for N900 the irc clients are... pain Jul 04 12:42:41 too small displayu Jul 04 12:43:41 <_jester_> yea, but im making it work. just need to be on one channel and made the font bigger Jul 04 12:44:03 <_jester_> chnaged the colors. its do-able Jul 04 12:46:35 <_jester_> funny Jul 04 12:48:17 _jester_: that's what http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ is all about Jul 04 12:49:02 rikanee: could you please check http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 and see if the problem can get fixed there? Jul 04 12:50:28 particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. "" and ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));"" Jul 04 12:50:38 <_jester_> DocScrutinizer: did all the configuration myself and im pretty comfy with it so far but thanks for the link Jul 04 12:50:47 yw Jul 04 12:52:01 <_jester_> i had to reflash my phone the second time in 2 days, im guessing it must be due to overclocking, undervolting or smart reflex Jul 04 12:52:39 <_jester_> just wondering how many people face the same issue Jul 04 12:54:14 <_jester_> perhaps theres a way to identify the exact issue Jul 04 12:55:24 Maybe the issue is overclocking and/or undervolting your n900? *smirk* Jul 04 12:56:07 <_jester_> raimu: yea or smart reflex Jul 04 12:56:13 <_jester_> :p Jul 04 12:56:29 Seriously though, what sort of oc/uv/sr thing have you got? I could say something from my experience. Jul 04 12:57:09 <_jester_> well i overclocked the power50 to 250 850 Jul 04 12:57:17 <_jester_> swapolube Jul 04 12:57:28 <_jester_> ulv profile Jul 04 12:58:06 <_jester_> and smart reflex Jul 04 12:58:21 sure, more speed and less gasoline, makes sense Jul 04 12:59:00 <_jester_> then came easy debian and it would restart when uncompressing the image Jul 04 12:59:01 ;-D Jul 04 12:59:23 that's a completely unrelated but notorious issue Jul 04 13:00:29 <_jester_> Docscrutinizer05: well the wiki said i could do it and before easy debian, it was very smooth Jul 04 13:01:34 <_jester_> Docscrutinizer05: a friend/student urged me to try it out. i aint a debian fan specially not oa full desktop on this tiny screen Jul 04 13:02:27 <_jester_> i do however think the enlightenment 17 environment would work great as a hildon replacement Jul 04 13:02:59 <_jester_> too much work to customize it for the phone though Jul 04 13:04:08 <_jester_> so got easy debian working without overclocking but im hardly impressed Jul 04 13:05:31 so what? Jul 04 13:06:12 "I bought this device because it's maemo, and I heard maemo is easy to turn into ubuntu"? Jul 04 13:07:43 nothing wrong with tinkering with your N900 all you like, but don't expect stuff to work flawlessly. After all it's optimized for maemo fremantle Jul 04 13:08:01 _jester_ what is ulv profile? Jul 04 13:08:13 not for enlightenment or nitdroid or easydebian or whatever Jul 04 13:08:26 ultra low voltage Jul 04 13:08:48 <_jester_> not my idea to change it into something else, i just like how enlightenment looks. its only a desktop environment Jul 04 13:08:50 you probably should stay away from OC, voltage profiles, and SR Jul 04 13:09:32 <_jester_> secondly the native maemo does lack a few applications i would have liked to see. Jul 04 13:10:24 <_jester_> for one, i couldnt find a working twitter client, in part to the new twitter api im sure Jul 04 13:10:36 <_jester_> no word processor. Jul 04 13:10:45 _jester_ have you tried tweetian? Jul 04 13:11:00 <_jester_> the email client certainly leaves much to be desired Jul 04 13:11:47 Tweetian is very nice, but requires CSSU I recall Jul 04 13:12:05 <_jester_> japa-fi: not that i can recall, but id look it up, thanks Jul 04 13:12:22 <_jester_> raimu: i got the cssu Jul 04 13:12:30 Ok! Jul 04 13:13:16 <_jester_> Docscrutinizer05: id be staying away for now but its just so much fun messing with this device :p Jul 04 13:13:27 Did you say you use kp50? Jul 04 13:13:29 _jester_ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88248 Jul 04 13:13:58 kp52 should be a good bit stabler. Jul 04 13:15:18 <_jester_> id give that a go as well, and tweetian isnt on my fam. im on the stable cssu. dont think testing or devel is going to be my thing Jul 04 13:16:21 <_jester_> kp52isnt there as well Jul 04 13:16:24 psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242 <-- kudos (+1) Jul 04 13:16:41 so... it's not my turn today to do the dish washing! Who's in charge to check that friggin problem with "duplicate headers" error when downloading flasher? I'll help and do the toweling Jul 04 13:17:20 ~flashing Jul 04 13:17:21 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 04 13:17:24 [2013-07-04 14:36:47] rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with tablets-dev.nokia.com flasher (et al) download? Jul 04 13:17:40 [2013-07-04 14:49:01] rikanee: could you please check http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 and see if the problem can get fixed there? Jul 04 13:17:48 [2013-07-04 14:50:27] particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. "" and ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));"" Jul 04 13:18:29 <_jester_> japa-fi : doesnt install, says some required packages are missing Jul 04 13:19:21 install qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat_1.0_all.deb from extras-devel Jul 04 13:19:50 then install nelisquare, then install tweetian Jul 04 13:20:00 <_jester_> japa-fi : i wont get conflicts and no need to enable the extras-devel repo? Jul 04 13:20:37 The compat package is in extras-devel. I just downloaded the .deb manually: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/ Jul 04 13:20:54 then dpkg -i qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat_1.0_all.deb Jul 04 13:21:08 <_jester_> ah Jul 04 13:21:11 then apt-get -f install Jul 04 13:21:12 <_jester_> im on it Jul 04 13:21:21 worked without extras-devel Jul 04 13:21:57 Lastly, installed http://thecust.net/tweetian/meegothemefix_0_1_0_armel.deb for some missing icons or stuff Jul 04 13:22:05 <_jester_> groovy Jul 04 13:24:49 DocScrutinizer05: and there's your problem Jul 04 13:25:10 the page is loaded onto itself. Jul 04 13:25:19 DocScrutinizer05, trying that tablets-dev from my end I get weird errors ranging from 503,504 using wget 1.14 (desktop) to 404 using firefox 21.0 (desktop). Tried to download maemo flasher for i386 initially then trying to download win32 version. Jul 04 13:25:56 DocScrutinizer05: a better solution would be for that page to set a token, and the downloads page checking for the token and referrer Jul 04 13:26:38 Actually the bulk of those are 404 with firefox 21.0. Jul 04 13:26:39 this IS the download page Jul 04 13:28:12 psycho_oreos: 404 is absolutely not reproducible here Jul 04 13:29:14 DocScrutinizer05, weird. Now I'm getting service unavailable for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php. Before there was a disclaimer page before I click to accept and it would show me downloads but its just simply service unavailable. Jul 04 13:29:29 Reference #6.63911d78.1372944479.1f680ff9 Jul 04 13:29:49 damn, sth fscked up Jul 04 13:30:43 repository,maemo.org down. That explains a lot Jul 04 13:30:55 monitor.m.o Jul 04 13:31:33 Reference #6.1cc633b8.1372944603.18707354 <-- refreshed a few times from my end. I do know there is a transparent proxy between my connection and to that website. The transparent proxy is by my ISP so I hope those error messages are directly from that link and not from my transparent proxy. Jul 04 13:31:45 o.O Jul 04 13:34:58 %§"%)NVWEQ)$!)$!??()$)?'''§'"$"$¼¼!!!ł@@??!!!!!! Jul 04 13:35:05 SHEEEEEEEEET! Jul 04 13:35:11 Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: Frag is bigger than frame. Jul 04 13:35:13 Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: fatal error; disabling device Jul 04 13:35:14 Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: xenbr1: port 5(vif11.0) entered disabled state Jul 04 13:36:16 That would explain why there's no network connectivity :). Jul 04 13:36:36 indeed Jul 04 13:38:06 and again the incredible superheroes of techstaff rescued your infra in no time - we're up again Jul 04 13:38:39 repository.maemo.org is up from my end (just by looking at the start page). tablets-dev also works but the links from my end are telling me corrupted content data. Jul 04 13:40:50 "wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb" shows the file is 17K whilst firefox still shows corrupted content data. Jul 04 13:42:26 wget doesn't work without massive messing around with cookies Jul 04 13:43:18 Ok yeah that was mentioned before, I'll just leave it at that. Seeing as how you've responded I'm going to try downloading the same deb file again. For N900, the flasher. Jul 04 13:43:22 downloading maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz and opening it in Ark worked just fine Jul 04 13:43:54 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb <-- still gives me corrupted content data :/ Jul 04 13:44:13 * psycho_oreos thinks it will soon become a case of wfm lol Jul 04 13:44:24 yes, that's the "duplicate content" issue I guess Jul 04 13:44:38 * psycho_oreos tries another browser instead. Jul 04 13:45:11 I rather would like to know why FF21 refuses to download, and how to fix that on server side Jul 04 13:48:00 Hmm the basic error reported by firefox isn't too helpful. Thinking of trying to get it maybe to output http headers and see if that helps? Jul 04 13:48:31 "inspect" in konqueror not exactly helpful to analyze what the server delivers and what might be odd with it Jul 04 13:49:11 that's why I asked for HTML/HTTP savvy to help fixing this issue Jul 04 13:49:19 *I* am not Jul 04 13:50:05 ahh *nods* I'm not one as well. Jul 04 13:51:04 I just googled the "duplicate headers" error that chrome reported a few years ago and seems is still the issue, and looked into the php source and found http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 which seems pretty related Jul 04 13:52:42 we have mimetype, Content-Type, Content-Disposition Jul 04 13:53:26 it seems double or no Content-Disposition is related to that "duplicate headers" error Jul 04 13:54:16 a few years ago chrome started blowing chunks when encountering such a download, "to protect user" Jul 04 13:56:20 so if any PHP expert has a suggestion how to improve/fix the code in http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 to make downloads in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb et al work flawlessly with all browsers, I'm highly interested to hear about your suggestions Jul 04 13:56:40 Its easy to also assume firefox 21.0 is doing the same thing. Instead of displaying "duplicate headers" error it is showing "corrupted content data". Jul 04 13:56:56 yes, that's what I think Jul 04 13:57:47 rikanee said that the mirror link works fine. This is a very long shot but it might be worth trying to compare the two links to see where it might be wrong? Jul 04 13:58:15 sorry you lost me Jul 04 13:58:51 Oh wait, no that mirror site is not designed in the same way.. there's no disclaimer (!) to begin with. Jul 04 13:59:01 * psycho_oreos takes that back. Jul 04 13:59:10 :nod: Jul 04 13:59:17 hmm. Jul 04 14:07:40 btw I just tried opening http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz in FF21, selecting "open in Ark" and it worked just fine Jul 04 14:11:48 I also tried to download and save Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z which worked fine until "do you want to overwrite existing file?" which I denied Jul 04 14:11:59 ^^^ with FF21 Jul 04 14:12:14 on linux Jul 04 14:12:23 Copied and pasted the link you mentioned into my firefox and I still get corrupted content data. On linux as well. Jul 04 14:12:38 well, c&p doesn't work Jul 04 14:12:48 see above rationale about wget Jul 04 14:12:54 So refresh and manually click the link? Jul 04 14:12:57 yes Jul 04 14:14:11 literally simply click the link Jul 04 14:14:47 I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work Jul 04 14:14:59 or might not work Jul 04 14:15:08 Clicked the link as is after clearing cache and reloading the same page. Jul 04 14:15:44 odd. my n900 detects wall charger but not detect as mass storage mode... Jul 04 14:16:07 Right clicked and clicked save destination as, firefox 21.0 gave the following error message "The download cannot be saved because an unknown error occurred. Please try again." Jul 04 14:16:36 That's with the deb file (linux flasher for N900) Jul 04 14:16:59 I have no use for that file, will try to download it nevertheless Jul 04 14:17:12 maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb right? Jul 04 14:19:02 Apologies, was clicking on the harmattan one (flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb), just tried the one for fremantle with clicking it (to open) and right clicking (clicking to save as). Still with fremantle flasher it still shows error. Jul 04 14:19:23 clicked LMB, saved as..., opened with Archiver (Ark) -> fine Jul 04 14:19:29 FF21, Linux Jul 04 14:20:14 I dunno why you use RMB all the time Jul 04 14:20:29 [2013-07-04 16:14:46] I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work Jul 04 14:20:39 ahh reboot fixed it... Jul 04 14:21:09 though works as well for me Jul 04 14:21:48 Strange, some of the text files does prompt the download box, and one of the zip also works: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.zip. I was LMB before which kept showing up corrupted content data, RMB gives me similar results with the exact same link as given using LMB and trying to save destination as. Jul 04 14:24:17 psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe? Jul 04 14:25:20 Actually that makes no sense, japa-fi said that the win32 flasher can be downloaded in his case but in mine I get corrupted content regardless of which win32 flasher I try to download. Jul 04 14:25:22 jr@saturn:~/config/openvpn/joerg> host tablets-dev.nokia.com Jul 04 14:25:24 tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. Jul 04 14:25:25 tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net. Jul 04 14:25:27 a1341.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.175.163 Jul 04 14:25:28 a1341.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.175.153 Jul 04 14:26:27 echo 84.53.175.163 tablets-dev.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts Jul 04 14:26:34 ;-) Jul 04 14:26:37 DocScrutinizer05, Similar output: tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. | tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net. | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 125.56.218.8 | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 125.56.218.27 Jul 04 14:26:55 Yeah that actually may help I suppose. Jul 04 14:27:00 obviously NOT same output Jul 04 14:27:13 [2013-07-04 16:24:16] psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe? Jul 04 14:27:21 Though the alias did work though :) Jul 04 14:28:20 psycho_oroes: I didn't check the content validity, just that the download started and I was able to save the windows version of flasher Jul 04 14:29:26 japa-fi: you forgot to assign to nick-complete, in xchat? ;-) Jul 04 14:30:01 I guess it looks like the Google's public DNS is messed up. "dig tablets-dev.nokia.com" outputs "a1341.g.akamai.net. 19 IN A 165.254.99.73 | a1341.g.akamai.net. 19 IN A 165.254.99.33 | ;; Query time: 495 msec | ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)" Jul 04 14:30:24 what's messed up in it? Jul 04 14:30:30 DocScrutinizer05, haven't used it before. Thanks for mentioning Jul 04 14:31:08 akamai runs server farms for content distribution Jul 04 14:31:16 japa-fi, though you were using the same browser for the two links right? one on windows flasher and the other for linux flasher. The windows flasher from the same browser worked but not the linux flasher from the same browser. At least that was the same impression as what I thought. Jul 04 14:31:24 it's supposed to deliver different IP for everybody Jul 04 14:31:34 That's correct Jul 04 14:32:23 DocScrutinizer05, I thought host relies on DNS server to provide IP addresses. Though host output isn't as useful (imho) as dig output which shows the DNS server that is queried in question. Jul 04 14:32:25 usually the IP you see should result in a short traceroute path Jul 04 14:32:48 host -a does same Jul 04 14:33:04 Haven't tried host -a, going to have a poke at it now. Jul 04 14:33:36 Ahh yes indeed :D thanks. Jul 04 14:33:40 yw Jul 04 14:34:09 So.. if I try using the IP address from your DNS output then I should in theory be on the same page as you :D. Jul 04 14:34:19 yep Jul 04 14:34:39 thus [2013-07-04 16:26:26] echo 84.53.175.163 tablets-dev.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts Jul 04 14:35:30 (don't forget to remove it after tests finished!) Jul 04 14:36:03 It might be faster to just punch in the IP address into the browser bar ;) Jul 04 14:36:43 Hmm no, going to try what you said instead lol. Jul 04 14:36:46 that might not pan out Jul 04 14:36:59 since then the vHost doesn't match Jul 04 14:37:07 It didn't :/ lol, wasn't as easy as I thought. Jul 04 14:37:34 Yeah plus the way large mirrors work. Jul 04 14:37:41 i.e. it asks server about "http://84.53.175.163" instead of "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com" Jul 04 14:38:37 also don't forget to restart FF, it for sure uses internal IP table cahce Jul 04 14:38:42 cache even Jul 04 14:40:00 if you want to make sure all works fine, have a look at what's actually going on with netstat or wireshark, it should show a connection to IP 84.53.175.163 Jul 04 14:40:26 if you then STILL see that annoying error, then it has to be related to your local system Jul 04 14:40:30 obviously Jul 04 14:41:12 we then probably need to compare... err FF settings Jul 04 14:41:18 ;-D Jul 04 14:43:31 Haha I don't think we'll need to boil down that far.. to FF settings :D. Though I'll need to find out how to make systemd reload /etc/hosts or where would it read the list of hosts instead. I've just finished editing my /etc/hosts but host output still points back to the old link. Jul 04 14:45:06 host doesn't use etc/hosts Jul 04 14:45:32 it's resolver-lib that opens tc/hosts Jul 04 14:45:45 host tool doesn't use resolver lib Jul 04 14:45:58 it directly asks your DNS server Jul 04 14:46:27 FF only uses resolver lib when URL<->IP isn't internally cahced already Jul 04 14:46:42 afaik Jul 04 14:47:11 konqueror afail always used resolver lib Jul 04 14:47:20 afaik* Jul 04 14:49:25 and of course your DSL router might run a transparent DNS proxy Jul 04 14:49:42 for any requests on port 53 Jul 04 14:49:49 but that's irrelevant here Jul 04 14:50:50 it just might introduce delays for any changes in public geoDNS server data to propagate to your system Jul 04 14:51:06 even to dig/host Jul 04 14:51:09 I hope that isn't the case lol, transparent DNS proxy. It's already annoying that they are using transparent HTTP proxy to spoof internet connection throughput. Yeah I just learnt after asking in my #, so hopefully restarting my FF should work, Jul 04 14:52:12 you can tell pretty easily, by replacing 84.53.175.163 by 127.0.0.1 in etc/hosts Jul 04 14:52:35 then any request to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com shall fail Jul 04 14:53:09 then revert that to 84.53.175.163, and you can be rather sure a successful access to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is in fact to 84.53.175.163 Jul 04 14:53:48 btw not exactly unheard that parts of the akamai server farm have garbled data Jul 04 14:54:11 Yeah, I thought prior to systemd it was historically to restart networking (was using debian based distro at that time). Jul 04 14:54:13 we seen that a lot when repos were on akamai Jul 04 14:54:32 (restart network) not needed Jul 04 14:54:45 DNS resolving is a duty of each app on its own Jul 04 14:55:17 unless you run a local DNS proxy Jul 04 14:55:36 but even then, etc/hosts shall override any of that Jul 04 14:56:38 I'm no expert for that stuff, but what I'm telling is in line with my experience Jul 04 14:57:20 and I had my fair share of messing with DNs and etc/hosts lately, during migration#2 Jul 04 14:58:10 Ahh I guess that's where I was under a false impression. I used to just simply add entries into /etc/hosts and expect things like host/dig to show the new data. That was wrong on at least two counts. Now I guess it makes sense how it works I mean you are saying more or less the same thing as what the other person said in my distro support channel. Jul 04 14:58:21 still a few dozen lines like Jul 04 14:58:23 # www.maemo.org maemo.org Jul 04 14:58:25 #188.117.59.200 www.maemo.org Jul 04 14:58:26 #188.117.59.200 planet.maemo.org Jul 04 14:58:28 in my etc/hosts Jul 04 14:59:17 damn, and even Jul 04 14:59:18 213.128.137.24 scratchbox.org Jul 04 14:59:20 I've just restarted firefox and the links you mentioned that was working on your end is now also working on my end with the IP addresses you have provided. Jul 04 14:59:20 213.128.137.24 lists.scratchbox.org Jul 04 15:00:18 * psycho_oreos thinks about adding those in case it gets messed up again next time. Jul 04 15:01:16 so you say we traced it down to "akamai has garbled content"? Jul 04 15:02:07 haha now my host output of tablets-dev.nokia.com has different set again: 23.32.241.106 23.32.241.97 Jul 04 15:02:37 That's what I would be guessing at this stage by now yes. The garbled content from akamai got me going around in circles. Jul 04 15:02:42 if that's right, then adding the IPs won't help, since next time it might be THAT server that has garbled data Jul 04 15:03:19 That'd be really annoying, its like playing Russian roulettes lol. Jul 04 15:03:25 yep Jul 04 15:03:57 not much _you_ can do about it. _I_ might try to look into akamai syncing to stage and if sth is fishy in there Jul 04 15:04:02 * psycho_oreos wonders if that should be added into the wiki page for future reference. That akamai can give out garbled data. Jul 04 15:04:25 yes, please do! Jul 04 15:04:29 much appreciated Jul 04 15:04:35 * psycho_oreos comments out the IPs that were mentioned and tries to use public DNS instead and see if its garbled. Jul 04 15:05:00 * psycho_oreos itches head. Guess he could try in the very least. Jul 04 15:06:23 psycho_oreos: many many thanks for your patience and endurance in helping to evaluate that issue Jul 04 15:07:09 :-) Jul 04 15:07:12 DocScrutinizer05, likewise for your contributions :) I wouldn't have figured that out easily being a simple garbled output. Jul 04 15:07:28 me neither, without your help Jul 04 15:09:14 The wiki page does seem to be quite relevant on pointing out mirror for when &*^!! hits the fan. Not sure how can I make it sound any better.. hmm just add garbled/duplicate headers error I suppose. Jul 04 15:09:23 Well I guess we're somewhat even then :) Jul 04 15:09:27 now if you also make a (mental) bookmark to monitor.m.o, you're in with the expert crew ;-) Jul 04 15:09:52 It'd be hard but I suppose I can try. :) Jul 04 15:12:49 Ok wiki updated: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Note: I've decided to not go into the ramifications because I just don't see the need let alone to further confuse the end user. Jul 04 15:13:41 At least the mirror link isn't some akamai mirrored link :) which is a :thumbs up: for me. Jul 04 15:15:51 Seems like the akamai aliases rotate fairly frequently too. Just noticed that its now a completely different set of IP: 69.192.4.67 69.192.4.34 Jul 04 15:16:16 the mirror is a proper hetzner box ;-) Jul 04 15:16:33 Yeah I'm not quite sure what hetzner is. *googles up* Jul 04 15:17:03 hetzner is a high reliability professional server hoster Jul 04 15:17:32 the defacto standard for at least Germany, if not Europe Jul 04 15:18:26 In 5 years I've seen one single unsolicited reboot and one downtime on my cloud-7 box which also is hetzner Jul 04 15:18:27 Yeah I was about to say lol, never heard of them but I guess they may be put to the test if say PR1.4 gets released and that the main site is down (due to excess downloaders) *ducks*. Jul 04 15:18:51 Ahh yeah I know that link :D the one where you hosted all the photos of N900 being stripped. Jul 04 15:19:03 yep Jul 04 15:19:56 hello everyone Jul 04 15:20:02 hi Fonk Jul 04 15:20:03 hi Jul 04 15:20:23 welcome to maemo Jul 04 15:20:49 thanks Doc help me I installed pali's recovery boot Jul 04 15:21:04 err Jul 04 15:21:20 and whenever I choose recovery console it reboots Jul 04 15:21:50 Pali_: ^^^ Jul 04 15:21:57 Pali_: ping Jul 04 15:22:00 pong Jul 04 15:22:05 whats up? Jul 04 15:22:33 (no time to read full backlog) Jul 04 15:22:40 only 5 lines ;-P Jul 04 15:22:42 pali I am on cssu testing 8.2 and kpv51r1 Jul 04 15:23:00 problem with recovery console? Jul 04 15:23:07 ya Jul 04 15:23:08 update to last version from extras-devel Jul 04 15:23:20 also check if you have last version of bootmenu Jul 04 15:23:24 (from extras-devel) Jul 04 15:23:30 :)) Jul 04 15:23:46 damn, we're a nice bunch ;-D Jul 04 15:23:51 merlin1991: how frequent, if ever, is your devel-light sync'd to the 'full' extras-devel? Jul 04 15:24:03 I am on recovery console 2-1 Jul 04 15:24:14 isn't it the latest version Jul 04 15:24:37 http://maemo.org/packages/view/recovery-boot/ Jul 04 15:24:40 seems to be! :) Jul 04 15:24:44 ok Jul 04 15:24:49 and bootmenu version? Jul 04 15:25:04 1.12 Jul 04 15:25:30 does kp allow you to boot with fb? Jul 04 15:25:34 like that fb kernel MAG once put out Jul 04 15:25:46