**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 06 02:59:58 2013
Jul 06 08:14:06 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
Jul 06 08:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> isn't that a "character" or rather entity invented in some mass-novel-writing site?
Jul 06 08:19:04 <DocScrutinizer05> very remotely a story plot similar to "stalker"/"Roadside Picnic", or "event horizon"
Jul 06 08:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.google.de/search?q=SCP-1354
Jul 06 08:22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Special Containment Procedures: All instances of SCP-1354 are to be contained in food-grade airtight plastic containers at Sector-28.<<
Jul 06 08:22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> >>This is better than the recent oracular alphabet soup that bombed, but I'm somewhat on the fence about this one<<
Jul 06 10:00:18 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: wait, SCP?
Jul 06 10:00:46 <jon_y> I didn't think SCP fan circles would intersect with CSSU guys:)
Jul 06 10:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that doesn't apply for RST38h obviously
Jul 06 10:01:32 <DocScrutinizer05> he pastes context-less quotes here on a regular basis
Jul 06 10:02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> which always sounds like WTF of the day, until you find out about the context
Jul 06 10:02:30 <jon_y> try markov string generators, they do stuff like that :)
Jul 06 10:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jul 06 10:03:35 <jon_y> for instance, someone actually went out and try to make a story with it
Jul 06 10:03:40 <jon_y> http://games.renpy.org/game/yourswimsuit.shtml
Jul 06 10:03:55 <jon_y> enjoy your plot from /dev/random
Jul 06 10:04:17 <DocScrutinizer05> >>written responses to verbal communication via the manifestation of letter-shaped pasta<< sounds quite @.@ until you learn it's about a fictional intelligent noodle soup
Jul 06 10:04:47 <jon_y> SCP has stuff like that, its meant to be contained and locked up
Jul 06 10:05:05 <jon_y> there are some cutesy stuff too, but also too dangerous to let loose
Jul 06 10:06:28 <jon_y> I think I remember something about a professor have the urge to kill an SCP subject because the child subject has reality warping powers
Jul 06 10:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I consider my N900#6 more intriguing than noodle soup
Jul 06 10:07:15 <jon_y> "the scary man trying to hurt me" thought altered reality to make it true
Jul 06 10:10:06 <jon_y> DocScrutinizer05: do you happen to know much about PSUs for PCs?
Jul 06 10:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> a bit
Jul 06 10:10:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~joerg
Jul 06 10:10:23 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, joerg is an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer
Jul 06 10:10:24 <jon_y> mine just exploded, leaky cap
Jul 06 10:11:11 <jon_y> one of the fins on the plastic fan on it melted off
Jul 06 10:11:38 <DocScrutinizer05> infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer
Jul 06 10:11:38 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Jul 06 10:12:07 <jon_y> giant 420V cap, I don't think I can replace it
Jul 06 10:12:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh, how can a fin of a fan melt off?
Jul 06 10:12:36 <jon_y> the fan was directly over the burned out cap when I took off the unit
Jul 06 10:13:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, the primary cap? that one is rather easy to replace, it hasn't that hard low-ESR requirements than the secondary side buffer caps
Jul 06 10:13:34 <jon_y> are there solid cap replacements?
Jul 06 10:13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly, usually nowadays that is not economically reasonable to do
Jul 06 10:13:58 <jon_y> probably need to replace the whole unit as the fan is also jammed
Jul 06 10:14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jul 06 10:14:31 <jon_y> are there PSUs that have solid caps as their main selling point?
Jul 06 10:15:02 <DocScrutinizer05> count in the hours of hassle doing the repair, and you opt for a replacement PSU for a few thens of bucks
Jul 06 10:15:31 <DocScrutinizer05> (solid caps) I only know of mainboards that do
Jul 06 10:15:45 <jon_y> yeah, it's still dangerous since I don't know if anything else in it broke/shorted
Jul 06 10:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> PSU though I haven't heard about yet
Jul 06 10:15:56 <jon_y> ok
Jul 06 10:16:31 <jon_y> I haven't been looking at PSUs for the past couple of years, anything to consider other than wattage and connectivity?
Jul 06 10:16:51 <DocScrutinizer05> me neither, so I'd guess probably not
Jul 06 10:16:58 <jon_y> efficiency is probably important too, but the boxes never lists it
Jul 06 10:17:01 <DocScrutinizer05> efficiency of course
Jul 06 10:17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and efficiency is listed on all but the most pathetic poor PSUs
Jul 06 10:17:47 <jon_y> hmm ok
Jul 06 10:17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> PCF also relevant
Jul 06 10:17:59 <jon_y> you mean PFC?
Jul 06 10:18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I thnk so
Jul 06 10:18:38 <DocScrutinizer05> make the thing act like a resistive load, not like a capacitor
Jul 06 10:18:43 <jon_y> I wonder if I get charged more for poor PFC
Jul 06 10:19:12 <jon_y> yeah, I have EE background too, just not sure how the electric company might take it
Jul 06 10:19:40 <jon_y> btw, how much risk did the PSU have from starting a fire?
Jul 06 10:19:45 <DocScrutinizer05> it's more for your local / inhouse grid's sake
Jul 06 10:19:57 <jon_y> I feel lucky I didn't burn down my place
Jul 06 10:20:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I think they rarely start fires nowadays
Jul 06 10:20:27 <DocScrutinizer05> steel cage
Jul 06 10:20:35 <jon_y> they just short out and stop working?
Jul 06 10:20:43 <jon_y> yeah, the one I had is in a steel cage
Jul 06 10:21:47 <jon_y> I should get a fire extinguisher and put it beside the PC
Jul 06 10:22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, mine is at the flat's front door
Jul 06 10:22:28 <Apic> Yeah, never wrong to have one handy.
Jul 06 10:22:59 <Apic> Here one is at the Corridor of the Building.
Jul 06 10:23:09 <Apic> Which my Apartment is in
Jul 06 10:23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd like to get a better one though. Those powder extinguishers are a terrible mess when using them
Jul 06 10:23:27 <Lava_Croft> i have an air suction system in the house that will make sure any fire gets enough oxygen 
Jul 06 10:23:27 <jon_y> I wish my apartment unit fire codes require it
Jul 06 10:23:57 <jon_y> CO2 ones are easy to use, but the powder ones are more effective
Jul 06 10:24:03 <jon_y> yeah, it leaves a mess
Jul 06 10:24:10 <jon_y> powder everywhere
Jul 06 10:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> alas CO2 ones are more hard to get, resp way more expensive
Jul 06 10:26:30 <Lava_Croft> dont ever use powder extuingishers
Jul 06 10:26:35 <Lava_Croft> you might as well let it burn down then
Jul 06 10:26:51 <Lava_Croft> powder shit goes everywhere, you can recondition everything in the house
Jul 06 10:27:17 <Lava_Croft> insurance people never like powder extuingishers
Jul 06 10:27:47 <jon_y> probably for use in open spaces only
Jul 06 10:28:10 <jon_y> not sure how high the risk of suffocation with a CO2 extinguisher
Jul 06 10:28:42 <Lava_Croft> heh
Jul 06 10:28:48 <Lava_Croft> supposedly Google paid off Adblock Plus
Jul 06 10:29:02 <jon_y> :(
Jul 06 10:29:06 <Lava_Croft> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horizont.at%2Fhome%2Fdetail%2Fgoogle-ist-geldgeber-von-adblock-plus.html&act=url
Jul 06 10:29:22 <jon_y> how do I block google ads?
Jul 06 10:30:38 <Lava_Croft> block some google adresses?
Jul 06 10:30:55 <psycho_oreos> Don't they have an option now (as a logged in user to Google) to disable certain ads?
Jul 06 10:31:11 <Lava_Croft> Yes, but having the advertisement company provide an option to disable ads
Jul 06 10:31:19 <Lava_Croft> im sure that will not disable ads:)
Jul 06 10:31:48 <psycho_oreos> Nope not efficiently but you could probably look at ways of blocking the site that gives more ads :)
Jul 06 10:31:55 <Lava_Croft> yeah
Jul 06 10:31:58 <Lava_Croft> via hosts
Jul 06 10:32:08 <psycho_oreos> Privoxy still works :)
Jul 06 10:32:09 <Lava_Croft> block some googlesyndication adresses
Jul 06 10:32:16 <jon_y> I have a local DNS server, might be overkill
Jul 06 10:33:07 <psycho_oreos> Could probably make better use of it by filtering out ad farms
Jul 06 10:33:13 <Lava_Croft> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download
Jul 06 10:33:17 <Lava_Croft> can always poke at that:)
Jul 06 10:34:36 <jon_y> I wonder if clients are EDNS aware enough to find out it was fooled
Jul 06 10:35:10 <jon_y> I did notice skype was working, even when the DNS server was down, something fishy there
Jul 06 10:36:19 <psycho_oreos> I think the actualy skype voice chat functionality itself does not rely solely on the skype server. It actually harnesses other people's connection (whom are also on skype) to host the data.
Jul 06 10:40:25 <jon_y> it was able to connect and show the contact list, even when DNS was down
Jul 06 10:40:44 <jon_y> right after the windows machine booted up
Jul 06 10:42:11 <jon_y> maybe it is a cached list
Jul 06 10:42:55 <psycho_oreos> That's what I　was thinking.
Jul 06 12:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> what the heck! ever heard of yodasoft or hidpoint? The hispoint sw installs under root permissions (of course), is free download from yodasoft site, yodasoft has no tel number, no geo-addr, no nuttin - this all feels like a pretty well designed malware 
Jul 06 12:23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.yodasoft.com/   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIDPoint   
Jul 06 12:23:44 <DocScrutinizer05> a lot of professional-looking web content, but zilch hard facts
Jul 06 12:24:07 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.yodasoft.com/clients.html
Jul 06 12:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> is it a hoax?
Jul 06 12:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976823&p=12323231#post12323231  whatever it is (mal/spyware or not) it seems not worth the effort. A pity
Jul 06 12:36:12 <psycho_oreos> Already very suspicious that there's no offline support for it. It also seems to be targeting primarily logitech devices when there's plenty more brands out there that has all those nifty "shortcut" buttons.
Jul 06 12:37:29 <Wizzup> trace the program and see what it is doing?
Jul 06 12:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I already unpacked that friggin self-extracting archive
Jul 06 12:38:32 <Wizzup> ;(
Jul 06 12:38:51 <DocScrutinizer05> which is rather easy and safe, under user account (no root), just copy away the /tmp/* dir before you answer "n" to the question
Jul 06 12:39:22 <DocScrutinizer05> but what I see in this archive is still not convincing me to give it a shot
Jul 06 12:39:56 <psycho_oreos> http://www.yodasoft.com/hidpoint.html <--- when you click on a link for more information, it goes to 404. Very trustworthy.
Jul 06 12:39:58 <DocScrutinizer05> a lot of stuff incl disable-avahi.sh enable-avahi.sh, udev-scripts and whatnot
Jul 06 12:40:06 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 06 12:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it all feels very much like abandoned spyware or whatever
Jul 06 12:40:44 <psycho_oreos> I'm pretty sure all those scripts are for the cases of "one size fits all matter".
Jul 06 12:41:11 <DocScrutinizer05> even the isntaller is a binary
Jul 06 12:41:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/49f92d29ce
Jul 06 12:42:33 <psycho_oreos> I think that's somewhat a pretty standard affair with these companies that thinks they can create a single installer that would fit in virtually every context of the target distribution. I　know lexmark does that as well with their printer/AIO range.
Jul 06 12:43:28 <psycho_oreos> The copyright on the webpage dates to 2008. One could say that they've stopped hiring "web developers" to write their site up.
Jul 06 12:45:34 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/630c5d3a13
Jul 06 12:45:41 <psycho_oreos> Hmm that license/EULA seems to be dual licensed.
Jul 06 12:53:24 <DocScrutinizer05> though most of the binaries are form 26. March 2013 it seems
Jul 06 12:53:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and *somewhere* I even faced a hidpoint-2.0 string
Jul 06 12:54:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and the download "form" in "OS" has pretty recent coices
Jul 06 12:54:46 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq, I maybe should install it in a VM
Jul 06 12:56:31 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, what do you need from HIDPoint?
Jul 06 12:56:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it just smells fishy when a company that allegedly has top-1000 customers doesn't even provide a telephone number
Jul 06 12:56:57 <psycho_oreos> The included support seems to be a handful and they are somewhat rather old versions (apart from RHEL, who knows if its still relevant).
Jul 06 12:56:58 <qwazix> I'm using a logitech mouse/kbd on linux and everything works fine, including extra buttons
Jul 06 12:57:31 <DocScrutinizer05> well, not on mx5500 and MX Revolution BT mouse
Jul 06 12:58:01 <DocScrutinizer05> it's working like a cheap 5$ mouse
Jul 06 12:58:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and kbd
Jul 06 12:58:23 <qwazix> hmm, did you check the keycodes of the extra buttons?
Jul 06 12:58:27 <qwazix> are they over 255?
Jul 06 12:58:36 <freemangordon_> qwazix: have some time?
Jul 06 12:58:45 <qwazix> freemangordon_, yep
Jul 06 12:59:19 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, because there's a patched evdev that allows remapping kc >255
Jul 06 13:00:02 <freemangordon> qwazix: on #embedlite
Jul 06 13:00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Keyboards-and-Keyboard-Mice/MX-5500-display-linux-driver/td-p/299669
Jul 06 13:00:52 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: I don't see any events on any /dev/input/* for some of the buttons of mouse and kbd
Jul 06 13:03:15 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, just a sec, I need to check something
Jul 06 13:03:22 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: I have mx5000tools and revoco on my cloud-7 box for general public. Alas it doesn't work with this shit in BT mode, only when in USB mode (and I have no clue how to revert back to USB mode, it's in BT HID mode now)
Jul 06 13:06:31 <psycho_oreos> Hmm, are you able to reset pairing? once reset pairing you might be able to try and connect it through USB to see if it will the accept USB as a way to communicate.
Jul 06 13:07:00 <psycho_oreos> That is just a very rough guess at best.
Jul 06 13:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I recall I had to use the setpoint tool under windows to revert to USB a year and half ago
Jul 06 13:09:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and some shit didn't even work under windows&setpoint, when in BT mode
Jul 06 13:11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lart logitech
Jul 06 13:11:55 * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if logitech doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
Jul 06 13:12:25 <DocScrutinizer05> she's awesome, isn't she
Jul 06 13:12:38 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, I have a button on my laptop that doesn't work as it produces keycode 358
Jul 06 13:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> lart command must have AI
Jul 06 13:12:51 <qwazix> xev and xinput do not catch it at all
Jul 06 13:13:09 <qwazix> but probing /dev/input/eventX showed the real keycode
Jul 06 13:13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and cat /dev/input/* ?
Jul 06 13:13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, zilch for me
Jul 06 13:13:31 <Wizzup> try evtest ?
Jul 06 13:13:40 <Wizzup> (or input-read from uinput-mapper)
Jul 06 13:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the stuff that's simply borked in BT mode of that MX5500 shit
Jul 06 13:13:51 <qwazix> so I used https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xf86-input-evdev-remap/ and a xorg.conf to remap it to 255
Jul 06 13:13:56 <qwazix> and it works then
Jul 06 13:15:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I checked all /dev/input/* (no less than 19!) and none gave any data for the buttons i'm interested in
Jul 06 13:16:24 <qwazix> then maybe it's something bluetooth related
Jul 06 13:16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> saturn:/home/jr/halley2/home/jr/revoco-0.5 # ~jr/bin/revoco mode
Jul 06 13:16:52 <DocScrutinizer05> revoco: No Logitech MX-Revolution (046d:c51a or 046d:c525) found.
Jul 06 13:16:54 <qwazix> Almost all my hardware is corded.
Jul 06 13:17:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, the web has "doesn't work due to bluez-hid-foo..."
Jul 06 13:17:51 <qwazix> This is probably irrelevant, but I have a razer keyboard and used this to make extra buttons work https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer
Jul 06 13:19:56 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf is .hs?
Jul 06 13:20:01 <qwazix> haskell
Jul 06 13:20:09 <qwazix> I think...
Jul 06 13:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> *COUGH*
Jul 06 13:20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> my eyes start bleeding
Jul 06 13:21:22 <qwazix> lol, I didn't write it, don't blame me :P
Jul 06 13:21:25 <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer/blob/fc83097682f0fbea484dc7ea9cd670a17bbec811/src/Main.hs  UERGH
Jul 06 13:21:35 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, no blame to anybody
Jul 06 13:21:38 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jul 06 13:22:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just an old man who doesn't like learn new tricks
Jul 06 13:22:46 <qwazix> I think the official driver just sends something to enable those extra buttons, and they reversed-engineered it and send the same sequence
Jul 06 13:23:03 <DocScrutinizer05> makes sense
Jul 06 13:24:03 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I can read a lot of languages. I _cant_ read _that_ gibberish
Jul 06 13:24:51 <DocScrutinizer05> looks like a mix between python and forth
Jul 06 13:25:02 <qwazix> Another bit of info that might be helpful. On one bt keyboard/mouse combo I have, on windows, the dongle gets recognized as a mouse, unless you install the crappy setpoint
Jul 06 13:25:07 <DocScrutinizer05> with some UPN
Jul 06 13:25:19 <qwazix> (which happens to disconnect every time the pc sleeps, but that's irrelevant)
Jul 06 13:25:37 <qwazix> on the same pc, using linux, the dongle is recognized as bluetooth device
Jul 06 13:26:05 <DocScrutinizer05> on the disconnect thing, you can cure this in devicedriver settings where you disable suspend
Jul 06 13:26:13 <qwazix> and so i had to pair the mouse/kbd with the normal procedure. I don't know what kind of sorcery they did to achieve that.
Jul 06 13:26:52 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, I don't want to disable suspend because the stupid guys at logitech can't write a proper driver!
Jul 06 13:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Jul 06 13:27:20 <DocScrutinizer05> what's wrong with disabling suspend for the BT driver?
Jul 06 13:27:41 <DocScrutinizer05> or <whatever> driver
Jul 06 13:27:47 <qwazix> (I read all of the 50something pages since 2008 on the logitech forum and I didn't manage to solve that crap)
Jul 06 13:27:59 <qwazix> ah, I thought disable suspend of the pc
Jul 06 13:28:28 <qwazix> no that's not a problem, but I *might* have tried that along the zillion things I tried
Jul 06 13:29:07 <qwazix> Anyway uninstalling setpoint solved the problem.
Jul 06 13:29:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I had my fair share of web searching regarding that stuff, and this unpair-on-PC-suspend issue been known and allegedly related to BT transmitter getting powered down during suspend of PC
Jul 06 13:30:17 <qwazix> so what! It should reconnect upon waking, not require pairing again.
Jul 06 13:30:42 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, but the driver is crap, it doesn't do proper re-initializing on power-return
Jul 06 13:30:50 <qwazix> exactly
Jul 06 13:31:26 <DocScrutinizer05> so you need to tell USB/BT/<whatever> to keep it powered during suspend
Jul 06 13:31:38 <qwazix> but I'm still buying logitech hardware because really nobody makes mice like them unfortunately
Jul 06 13:31:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Jul 06 13:32:15 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly MX Revo, which they don't make anymore as well, LART LART LART them for that
Jul 06 13:32:16 <qwazix> And having a glass desk I have only two choices...
Jul 06 13:32:33 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I have 3 of those now
Jul 06 13:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and two of those useless MX5500 kbd
Jul 06 13:33:30 <qwazix> I have the mx performance
Jul 06 13:34:12 <qwazix> (and the G500, two G9's, two MX1000's and a MX anywhere) :P
Jul 06 13:34:21 <DocScrutinizer05> using scrollwheel of a MX Revolution feels to that of a normal mouse like switching from a caterpilar to a Porsche
Jul 06 13:34:49 <qwazix> I assume the MX is the porsche
Jul 06 13:35:05 <qwazix> (not that I've driven either CAT or Porsche)
Jul 06 13:35:08 <DocScrutinizer05> the Performance has freespinning wheel, but not automatically
Jul 06 13:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jul 06 13:35:19 <qwazix> automatically?
Jul 06 13:35:40 <qwazix> when you go fast enough?
Jul 06 13:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, the MX Revo switches to freespin when a certain spinning speed threshold is tripped
Jul 06 13:35:55 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, exactly
Jul 06 13:36:00 <qwazix> wow!
Jul 06 13:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, WOOOW!
Jul 06 13:36:17 <qwazix> and does it work as it should?
Jul 06 13:36:21 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jul 06 13:36:44 <DocScrutinizer05> the mouse has a controller that does that stuff autonomously
Jul 06 13:37:02 <DocScrutinizer05> you just need to set the thresholds via setpoint or revocon
Jul 06 13:37:03 <qwazix> because I have problems with the Performance. The clicky mode doesn't sit exactly at the switch threshold, so it does the scroll midway through the motion
Jul 06 13:37:17 <DocScrutinizer05> eew
Jul 06 13:37:35 <qwazix> and that is un-cool, especially for game
Jul 06 13:37:36 <qwazix> s
Jul 06 13:37:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I had that with my last mouse, similar to MX Revo but wired and with normal scrollwheel
Jul 06 13:38:05 <qwazix> I tried to send it back for warranty but they gave it back to me and said "it works"
Jul 06 13:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> Mouseman Wheel
Jul 06 13:38:30 <DocScrutinizer05> (bue, with blue LED)
Jul 06 13:38:59 <qwazix> http://www.atarimagazines.com/startv4n5/genius_mouse.jpg
Jul 06 13:39:10 <qwazix> I had one of those, but with three buttons
Jul 06 13:39:23 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
Jul 06 13:39:24 <qwazix> It had a wide serial port
Jul 06 13:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you could fix your wheel 
Jul 06 13:40:22 <DocScrutinizer05> minimal adjustment of position of IR-lightgap to wheel will do
Jul 06 13:40:41 <qwazix> hmm, I can try that
Jul 06 13:40:46 <qwazix> then I had this http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/970422/m_mac.gif
Jul 06 13:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> probably all it needs is loosening the screws that hold the PCB and gently pushing it either up or down
Jul 06 13:41:17 <qwazix> :nod:
Jul 06 13:41:47 <DocScrutinizer05> 0.1mm is probably enough
Jul 06 13:43:15 <DocScrutinizer05> in some mice the scrollwheel itself incl bearings is fastened by screws and you can loose those and move the scrollwheel while PCB incl light gap stays in place
Jul 06 13:44:18 <qwazix> The thing is that it's not consistently broken.
Jul 06 13:44:51 <qwazix> Like the switching a couple of times between freespin and clicky fixes it for some days
Jul 06 13:45:25 <qwazix> but I will try that, nothing to lose
Jul 06 13:45:59 <qwazix> On an entirely different subject, I bought a used N900 with broken usb.
Jul 06 13:46:49 <qwazix> the usb in place but all the pins are cut off (someone has tried to reinforce it and there's solder on the sides keeping it in place)
Jul 06 13:47:16 <qwazix> I tried testing it while pressing it with my thumb to see if there's any signs of life, but nothing
Jul 06 13:47:29 <qwazix> Is there any hope?
Jul 06 13:48:47 <DocScrutinizer05> soory, playing with my mousman wheel junk
Jul 06 13:49:46 <DocScrutinizer05> check the electrical pins at rear end of USB receptacle
Jul 06 13:49:46 <qwazix> :)
Jul 06 13:50:34 <DocScrutinizer05> (mouseman wheel) logitech is incredible: they placed a huge thick steel piece inside for the right weight
Jul 06 13:51:22 <qwazix> G500 has adjustable weights
Jul 06 13:51:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet cherry did same on this G230 in front of me
Jul 06 13:52:02 <DocScrutinizer05> it weight like a kilo
Jul 06 13:52:23 <DocScrutinizer05> really nice kbd
Jul 06 13:52:52 <qwazix> DocScrutinizer05, check you mean with a multimeter?
Jul 06 13:53:06 <DocScrutinizer05> with a magnifying glass I suggest
Jul 06 13:53:29 <DocScrutinizer05> wait, I got a bare PCB since yesterday. Let me verify
Jul 06 13:53:42 <qwazix> what should I see?
Jul 06 13:54:13 <qwazix> they are not attached to the board, but seem to be in the correct place
Jul 06 13:54:30 <DocScrutinizer05> damn that uSD board
Jul 06 13:54:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, don't you think it would help to connect them ?  ;-P
Jul 06 13:55:31 <qwazix> yeah, but my soldering iron has a tip that bigger than 3 of them together
Jul 06 13:56:20 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jul 06 13:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> like I expected/recalled: on original PCBA with original USB those are covered by the metal housing of the USB 
Jul 06 13:57:53 <qwazix> somebody messed up really with this unit...
Jul 06 13:58:16 <qwazix> yeah they are almost covered, I can barely see them
Jul 06 13:59:43 <DocScrutinizer05> with a dremel and cutting blade you can cut of that cruft metal frame that covers the 5 contact pins
Jul 06 13:59:58 <DocScrutinizer05> since it's functionally useless
Jul 06 14:01:06 <qwazix> it looks something like this  http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg
Jul 06 14:01:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, exactly
Jul 06 14:01:38 <qwazix> that might help yeah
Jul 06 14:01:53 <DocScrutinizer05> only worse
Jul 06 14:02:20 <qwazix> though my port looks slightly different (it doesn't have that hole in the middle)
Jul 06 14:04:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I just noticed that the ds-sticky holding uSD board is ~1mm think
Jul 06 14:04:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I forgot that detail
Jul 06 14:05:35 <DocScrutinizer05> actually that might be a rubber foam frame with thin ds-sticky on both surfaces
Jul 06 14:06:23 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I think it's not really needed at all
Jul 06 14:08:03 <qwazix> This thing had a flaky digitizer too, and I bought two chinese ones to replace it. Neither worked
Jul 06 14:08:34 <qwazix> Now I order one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it
Jul 06 14:08:41 <qwazix> s/order/ordered/
Jul 06 14:08:41 <infobot> qwazix meant: Now I ordered one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it
Jul 06 14:08:45 <DocScrutinizer05> qwazix: when you're really desperate, you can solder 5 0.1mm-diameter wires to the 5 pins of USB after removing it, each ~5mm length. Then solder those wires to the pads, and finally place the USB in right location while carefully bending wires away, then soldering the mech levers of USB
Jul 06 14:09:26 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck with your digitizer
Jul 06 14:09:45 <qwazix> hmm, that's an interesting idea, and seems easier than the dremel thing
Jul 06 14:10:39 <qwazix> do you suppose it would work just to heat up those pads as is? I don't think there's enough solder there to do anything
Jul 06 14:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, hard to guess
Jul 06 14:11:17 <DocScrutinizer05> sure you could try reflow
Jul 06 14:11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> but I guess your USB been replaced by a fool who didn't even think of the electrical pins
Jul 06 14:12:15 <qwazix> prolly
Jul 06 14:13:00 <qwazix> interesting history: The guy who sold it to me said he repaired it in a Nokia Care center, BUT:
Jul 06 14:13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> in http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg you can clearly see 4 of 5 broken
Jul 06 14:13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> on that one reflow most probably would fix
Jul 06 14:13:47 <qwazix> near where we met to do the transaction, there's a guy who used to have a nokia care center, and now he works by himself, but never removed the nokia sign
Jul 06 14:14:17 <qwazix> the digitizer was certainly not nokia, so I think he tried to make a quick buck
Jul 06 14:15:13 <qwazix> in my case all five are broken
Jul 06 14:16:35 <qwazix> anyway, thanks a million! I'll try it and report back
Jul 06 14:17:29 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jul 06 14:18:39 <qwazix> cya later
Jul 06 14:18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> cya
Jul 06 16:08:08 <anthonie> anyone with some busybox knowledge around?
Jul 06 16:10:34 <Drathir> anthonie: try to ask a question maybe someone know the answer...
Jul 06 16:13:00 <anthonie> @Drathir, in bash, on my laptop, i would do an ip and mac search on the local network with ping and arp. But in ash, I can't get a range to run. say, for i in 192.168.1.{1..20} would start scanning 1 upto 20. In busybox, it refuses. I would like to know why. 
Jul 06 16:14:37 <jon_y> that's bashism
Jul 06 16:15:07 <anthonie> i know, but i can't find an equivalent
Jul 06 16:15:23 <jon_y> try seq?
Jul 06 16:15:47 <jon_y> seq and xargs
Jul 06 16:17:26 <anthonie> could do, but that would mean.unportable code :( (or start using another bash version as welll), btw, it won't run on maemo bash either...
Jul 06 16:17:47 <jon_y> how is it unportable?
Jul 06 16:18:13 <jon_y> seq 1 20 | xargs ... 192.168.1.
Jul 06 16:18:15 <entitled> sex and drugs?
Jul 06 16:18:55 <anthonie> lol @entitled, thought those were universal
Jul 06 16:19:39 <anthonie> @ jon, looking into it. portable as i , use the same scripts as i have on my laptop
Jul 06 16:20:01 <anthonie> thanks @ jon
Jul 06 16:20:06 <jon_y> seqnp
Jul 06 16:20:10 <jon_y> *np
Jul 06 16:21:16 <entitled> is there a solution for accidental closing of a program? like asking for confirmation or even removing the X from the GUI. I keep closing my terminal :E
Jul 06 16:21:53 <anthonie> so stupid, never thought of seq, now i google this and there's tons of info!
Jul 06 16:22:13 <anthonie> bows @ jon
Jul 06 16:39:24 <japa-fi> for i in `seq 1 20`; do ...
Jul 06 16:39:37 <japa-fi> (or perhaps this is also bashishm
Jul 06 17:07:14 <anthonie> seems to work @ jon and japa_fi. I have not yet used it in the script but I think seq is the way to go. 
Jul 06 18:06:15 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Jul 06 18:06:15 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: thanks
Jul 06 18:10:29 <Drathir> im thinking is any possibilities to enable sound when console bell is used?
Jul 06 18:27:08 <DocScrutinizer51> on maemo? hardly
Jul 06 18:32:48 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno if bash allows assigning a complete macro like 'playsound /usr/share/soubds/beep.wav' to plain 'char' ^G
Jul 06 18:34:14 <DocScrutinizer51> usually that's a job of console device
Jul 06 18:34:27 <DocScrutinizer51> resp xterm
Jul 06 20:45:24 <brolin_empey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/sets/72157634511837947/
Jul 06 23:58:40 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer51: thanks, thats looks stay only graphical bell...
Jul 06 23:59:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: check bash manual, there might be a way to assign a command to ^G
Jul 07 00:02:06 <Drathir> DocScrutinizer05: ok thanks i check that
Jul 07 00:22:56 <Macer> hm
Jul 07 00:22:59 <Drathir> bind -x '"^G":"playsound /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg_3.wav"' but dont really working...
Jul 07 00:23:03 <Macer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Video_Encoding#Avidemux
Jul 07 00:23:11 <Macer> i don't see the directory it says to place the xml
Jul 07 00:24:01 * Drathir very like avidemux...
Jul 07 00:24:46 <Macer> i don't understand where i am supposed to put this xml
Jul 07 00:24:51 <Macer> the directory in the maemo wiki isn't there
Jul 07 00:28:12 <Luke-Jr> Drathir: dead
Jul 07 00:30:46 <Macer> argh
Jul 07 00:30:52 <Macer> the handbrake presets don't work either
Jul 07 00:30:58 <Macer> and i don't think this ancient xml on the wiki works
Jul 07 00:31:12 <Macer> since it seems to use a method that isn't consistent with avidemux
Jul 07 00:31:45 <Macer> In Windows: put this file in Application Data/avidemux/x264/
Jul 07 00:32:45 <Macer> i'm not seeing the dire
Jul 07 00:32:48 <Macer> directory
Jul 07 00:40:55 <Macer> blah i give up
Jul 07 00:41:05 <Macer> i'll just remove avidemux and try to make a base profile with handbrake for windows
Jul 07 00:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: maybe that only works when you *type* ^G, but not when a program *prints* ^G
Jul 07 00:56:25 <DocScrutinizer05>        bell-style (audible)
Jul 07 00:56:27 <DocScrutinizer05>               Controls  what  happens  when readline wants to ring the terminal bell.  If set to none, readline never rings the bell.  If set to visible, readline uses a visible bell if
Jul 07 00:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05>               one is available.  If set to audible, readline attempts to ring the terminal's bell.
Jul 07 01:17:32 <Drathir> Macer: yoy care about file size?
Jul 07 01:17:38 <Drathir> you*
Jul 07 01:20:13 <Drathir> anyway should work with default avc but adjust a video size...
Jul 07 01:27:51 <Macer> not really heh
Jul 07 01:27:53 <Macer> yeah
Jul 07 01:27:55 <Macer> that's what i just did
Jul 07 01:28:04 <Macer> i am sure i can tweak it to make the files smaller
Jul 07 01:28:11 <Macer> but i managed to get a good video :) and save the preset
Jul 07 01:30:06 <Macer> in handbrake
Jul 07 01:30:07 <Macer> heh
Jul 07 01:30:23 <Macer> i still would rather use tablet-encode tho. it manages to give me 60fps 
Jul 07 01:30:32 <Macer> on 1 core :) handbrake is giving me 70fps with 4 
Jul 07 01:30:35 <Macer> go figure
Jul 07 01:35:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: 
Jul 07 01:35:06 <DocScrutinizer05> Name: module-x11-bell
Jul 07 01:35:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Argument: display=:0 sample=bell.ogg
Jul 07 01:35:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Usage counter: n/a
Jul 07 01:35:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Properties:
Jul 07 01:35:12 <DocScrutinizer05> module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
Jul 07 01:35:13 <DocScrutinizer05> module.description = "X11 bell interceptor"
Jul 07 01:35:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Drathir: pactl upload
Jul 07 01:35:34 <DocScrutinizer05> not tested
Jul 07 01:40:15 <DocScrutinizer05> alas it seems maemo PA is missing module-x11-bell
Jul 07 01:48:27 <DocScrutinizer05> there's /usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds running, but it's unclear to me what exactly it does. Might do touchscreen clicks and keybd clicks, probably no bell
Jul 07 02:07:45 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway pactl list  can give you nausea
Jul 07 02:23:07 <Macer> argh
Jul 07 02:41:56 <Macer> i tried sending a song with fmms 
Jul 07 02:41:56 <Macer> heh
Jul 07 02:42:00 <Macer> didn't seem to turn out so well :)
Jul 07 02:59:56 <SpeedEvil> 'we are calling you as you have breached your credit card limit and owe us $878395 for sending 3.5 million SMSs.
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