**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 08 02:59:59 2013 Jul 08 06:26:39 anyone here have experience with coloured replacement shells for the n900 Jul 08 06:27:27 didn't know such things existed Jul 08 06:27:55 http://www.ebay.nl/itm/WHITE-Full-Housing-Cover-Case-Faceplate-For-Nokia-N900-Keypad-/180809287638?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1912c7d6#ht_4709wt_1240 Jul 08 06:27:58 for example Jul 08 06:28:09 ive seen them years ago already, but im getting the itch Jul 08 06:28:12 want to toy with it Jul 08 06:28:35 http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/chinabya/n900-w_______.jpg Jul 08 06:28:38 its so wrong that it looks right Jul 08 07:38:27 you've seen the golden one? Jul 08 07:38:43 that's wrong Jul 08 07:49:04 Hi! What does it mean when the N900 plays a short sound on shut-down (after the screen turned black)? It doesn't happen always. Jul 08 07:55:34 prolly just a timing bug, iirc its supposed to play a sound, but sometimes it shuts faster down (pulse?) Jul 08 15:27:33 Dont think I ever heard my N900 utter a sound upon shutdown Jul 08 15:27:37 Now im curious! Jul 08 15:32:25 I think I've heard "battery low" sound at most five times. I've heard it at least twice the moment I've shoved in the recharger plug. Jul 08 15:33:28 my polarcell battery just arrived Jul 08 15:33:36 a whopping 1500mah Jul 08 15:33:40 i bet i barely notice the difference Jul 08 15:34:03 also great to see german company use air mail to send to the Netherlands Jul 08 15:34:56 if your original battery i several years old, then you most definetely see a difference Jul 08 15:35:33 i use 4 different BL-5J's with differing ages Jul 08 15:35:47 i see how old it is by looking at the plastic wrap on the battery Jul 08 15:35:56 the older the battery, the more peeled off the wrap is due to removing the battery from n900 Jul 08 15:35:59 :) Jul 08 15:36:12 but yeah, even the newest battery is at least a year old Jul 08 15:39:09 I have 5 BL-5J batteries + a portable charger Jul 08 15:39:26 DT-33 from Nokia Jul 08 15:39:28 my battery life is less than two hours :( Jul 08 15:39:33 to charge the BL-5j's Jul 08 15:39:39 mine lasts a day Jul 08 15:39:46 but i take care with the battery usage Jul 08 15:40:16 I'm on remote desktop, a few ssh sessions, and streaming radio :P Jul 08 15:40:22 i stream radio all day Jul 08 15:40:28 over 2h Jul 08 15:40:30 er 2g* Jul 08 15:40:32 twice a day for an hour and a half Jul 08 15:40:46 well, i streamED, since Radio1 in the Netherlands quit its 32kbps stream Jul 08 15:40:51 and that was the only stream running well over 2g Jul 08 15:41:04 Lava_Croft: oh, and I'm using openvpn Jul 08 15:41:19 irssi over ssh, omp permantently, logged in to FB chat Jul 08 15:41:26 OMP as in open media player Jul 08 15:41:33 ah Jul 08 15:41:39 it starts to die fast when you actually use the screen etc Jul 08 15:41:45 yeah Jul 08 15:41:53 or make it try to connect to a mobile connection like 2g or 3g Jul 08 15:42:02 a flake mobile connection is really bad for battery Jul 08 15:42:06 flaky* Jul 08 15:42:36 I suppose you save a lot with 2G Jul 08 15:42:43 andrewx192: those portable chargers won't charge to 100% Jul 08 15:42:43 yes Jul 08 15:42:51 entitled: no? Jul 08 15:42:52 something like 80% Jul 08 15:42:56 nope Jul 08 15:42:57 entitled: it never charges to 100% Jul 08 15:43:02 with no charger in existence Jul 08 15:43:08 entitled: why is that? Jul 08 15:43:11 even the official nokia ones what I've learned Jul 08 15:43:35 80% is a bit meh low Jul 08 15:43:36 not sure Jul 08 15:43:43 but it never gets charged beyond 97% orso anyway Jul 08 15:43:50 even with proper wall charger Jul 08 15:44:01 80% is just being screwed over tho Jul 08 15:49:02 I don't think it's true Jul 08 15:50:48 in reality, we live in a world where the 80% option is probably more feasibly than the 100% one Jul 08 15:50:51 because companies suck:< Jul 08 15:51:00 feasible* Jul 08 16:07:37 At least portable chargers give your device extra time to run around before it goes flat. I mean you could have a faulty internal battery (not the BL-5J, the one that keeps time of time and date) and having to redo those simply because you don't have portable charger handy and you managed to get the device charged. The only other case is where you get one of those "charging boot loops" and that can be annoying as well. Jul 08 16:24:20 @sixwheeledbeast around? Jul 08 16:26:41 anthonie: pong Jul 08 16:27:54 Hi, I was wondering if any thought had been given regarding the joerg conversation here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1355358&postcount=48 Jul 08 16:28:47 if things need to be done for the forum and members need to step up, I'd like to know where I can help. Hence the question Jul 08 16:31:54 I hadn't read that post so looking over the thread now. Jul 08 16:33:10 no prob, reason why I'm asking you is because a month ago or so, your name came up as the one that has lots of dirty jobs waiting to be assigned to someone. Jul 08 16:33:51 anthonie: while I agree with your idea, the infra to do this would need setting up. Jul 08 16:34:37 of course, and it's not a fixed idea, but perhaps we should/could get some people together that are able to something, and see what can be done, and how Jul 08 16:34:57 as a first step, I decided to log on and get a hold of you here Jul 08 16:35:49 but it's correct that you are dealing with lots of unassigned tasks? Jul 08 16:36:10 Ok well the "infra co-ordinator" maybe the best person to poke. I think to proceed someone can bring it up on Fridays CC meeting, and discuss then. Jul 08 16:36:54 would you be able to do that, bring it up in the meeting friday? Jul 08 16:37:16 I dunno why (maybe to extend battery life) but actually the Nokia charger seems to stop at 80%, or at 1000mAh or whatever Jul 08 16:37:54 I have taken upon myself to babysit autobuilder. I have been given access to do that. If I am available at the meeting I will mention it. Jul 08 16:38:46 sixed: ok, that's a start at least :) who's the benevolent infrastructure person? Jul 08 16:41:32 Hildon Foundation approved Maemo Administration Coordinator: DocScrutinizer05 :) Jul 08 16:41:44 or ping a message to techstaff@m.o Jul 08 16:41:54 ah! Jul 08 16:42:33 I'll try and bring it up here on IRC later tonight or I'll send him a PM (assuming he has a talk account) Jul 08 16:43:48 uh Jul 08 16:43:48 sixwheeledbeast: lol, just noticed who uses that nickname Jul 08 16:43:49 ? Jul 08 16:43:57 anthonie, DocScrutinizer05 already knows, he is present ;) Jul 08 16:44:10 :D Jul 08 16:44:12 good Jul 08 16:44:23 have you followed the conversation, doc? Jul 08 16:44:44 I'm aware but I dunno what to do about that topic. TMO is chem|st's domain Jul 08 16:45:08 NO!! ;) Jul 08 16:45:48 the question is simple: Is there a list with open tasks? can something be done about it, either on talk, or outside it. Jul 08 16:46:18 The issue here is it will take time that we haven't got to brake tasks down and make them accessible. Jul 08 16:46:39 reason for asking is simple: If I allow myself to bitch at people, at least I should make an effort helping out Jul 08 16:46:47 there's no such list, beyond my age old calls for maintainers: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347580#post1347580 Jul 08 16:47:26 @doc, a call that I completely missed... Jul 08 16:47:47 and for the list: it's probably simpler to make a list of topics where we don't need any help Jul 08 16:48:01 well, that would be a start, getting more of those maintainers. I'll see what I can do with that thread Jul 08 16:49:21 @doc, a negative list would lead to lots of discussion amongst people (this is important, that is important, ad infinitum) well described tasks that can be assigned would be better. Jul 08 16:49:22 nemein basically disabled everything prior to migration#1 and never re-enabled it after migration completed, not to mention any check if those disabled things still worked - which usually they don't do Jul 08 16:49:37 I feel wiki is covered now and is mostly self-maintaining Jul 08 16:49:50 almost, yes Jul 08 16:49:58 tmo is ok Jul 08 16:49:59 true @ wiki Jul 08 16:50:14 everything else is a mess Jul 08 16:50:32 anthonie: unfortunately all the tasks need experience in 'xyz' Jul 08 16:50:45 and I'm a second away from givinbg up on the whole stuff Jul 08 16:51:29 not sure what to sat Jul 08 16:51:32 say Jul 08 16:52:26 @sixwheeledbeast: How complicated is this "xyz"? (don't answer if the answer itself is complicated...) Jul 08 16:52:33 are you good with midgard? Will new BoD release funds to get people in to fix the mess? Obviously BoD hasn't been completely handed over yet. Jul 08 16:54:40 sixwheeledbeast: Never worked with it, but how complicated can it be to learn? Jul 08 16:57:35 sixwheeled: we run this? http://midgard-project.org/midgard2/ Jul 08 16:57:55 anthonie: Well it seems only about 3 people in Finland now how to use it. Also maemo.org is well out of date only version 1. Jul 08 16:58:38 rofl @ 3 people, so there's a minority of Finish that doesn't know how to use it... Jul 08 16:59:31 alright, Migard1, let me have a look into it, and I'll get back to you to tell you whether I believe can do something with this software or not. Jul 08 17:00:47 sixwheeledbeast, handover didn't even start yet... but I for one would put some effort to convince Nemein to help, with or without money Jul 08 17:00:57 Well I say Finland but I probably mean Helsinki actually. As well as that there are all sorts of other things tied into this midgard to make other things work. SQL knowledge would be useful. Jul 08 17:01:50 win7mac: good that's what I want to here from BoD. Jul 08 17:02:18 anthonie: http://nemein.com/en/solutions/midgard_cms/ Jul 08 17:02:27 Not an expert, but I have come from .cgi CMS's in 1999 to Php/MySQL based stuff, and created my own cms for my tiny insignificant weblog back in the days Jul 08 17:02:55 not really afraid of a query, but could brush up on the inner join knowledge, I presume... Jul 08 17:03:54 win7mac, reading this http://midgard-project.org/midgard1/ already, same thing, right? Jul 08 17:04:23 nemein is the company behind midgard Jul 08 17:04:33 ty Jul 08 17:04:40 yw Jul 08 17:05:22 anthonie: well you have a lot more knowledge on this than I have. Jul 08 17:05:38 now if you really can help with Jul 08 17:06:08 ...midgard, you'd deffo be our hero, anthonie! Jul 08 17:06:25 what needs to be done about it? Jul 08 17:06:44 is it broken, is it incomplete, apart from the fact that it needs updating, I mean Jul 08 17:07:08 only techstaff can tell i think Jul 08 17:07:31 ...all of it! Jul 08 17:07:42 Also another topic for meeting is all people with admin access, we need to make some sort of log of any changes. All the stuff I am doing I am logging for future reference. Jul 08 17:08:24 anthonie: on migration#1 stuff that linked into midgard to make things work got badly broken. Jul 08 17:08:26 All of it??? My god.... Jul 08 17:08:56 what sort of things? php code or database? Jul 08 17:13:39 sixwheeled: Am I correct to assume there's no docs for Midgard? Jul 08 17:15:46 anthonie: I can't give you a list, we don't know exactly what broke. I have not looked for documentation but possibly not. Maybe with admin access there is help documentation on the site. Jul 08 17:17:00 Let's leave the list aside, for a moment. I'll have a look at it locally and see if I can figure out how it works or how to work with it. You have admin access? Jul 08 17:17:05 anthonie: for example we had a broken repligard table in mysql that has GUID<->$object references for *all* objects on midgard. We managed to finally recover it on a remote host Falk provided (not enough space on maemo.org for that :-o ) which took ~3 days of CPU time, then we restored the 22GB dump to the table which took maemo.org basically offline for 24h Jul 08 17:17:13 just for an example Jul 08 17:17:44 To gave an example I am deleting packages from extras-devel hen they are no longer the latest. If I don't something is broken that stops them being deleted and creates huge logfiles and bogs down the builder vm. Jul 08 17:18:02 anthonie: random quotes from our maemo-admin IRC channel: Jul 08 17:18:04 [2013-07-07 17:18:32] shall we finally do sth about *lock files, http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 ? Jul 08 17:18:29 [2013-07-08 16:21:03] merlin1991: do you take care about Shawn Jefferson guy request upload privileges for the maemo ? Jul 08 17:18:31 [2013-07-08 16:21:38] also follow up on his request for maintainership of this package? Jul 08 17:18:56 [2013-07-06 23:43:14] #log: /var/log/apache2/maemo_https_error redefined in apache config as /var/log/apache2/maemo_https_error.log Jul 08 17:18:57 [2013-07-06 23:44:02] #log: left over from de-cronolog-ification Jul 08 17:19:35 just to be clear, all hardware that is needed is there and it works, or not? Jul 08 17:19:52 [2013-07-05 03:48:24] [Fri Jul 05 01:32:01 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] File does not exist: /var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80/aegir/midcom-exec-midcom/cron.php Jul 08 17:19:53 [2013-07-05 03:49:37] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 21 2012 /var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80/aegir Jul 08 17:19:55 [2013-07-05 03:50:16] root@www1:/var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80# locate aegir/ ->>zilch Jul 08 17:19:58 hw is ok Jul 08 17:20:12 good! Jul 08 17:20:17 Hardware has changed but is ok Jul 08 17:20:22 sigh of relief with that Jul 08 17:21:02 well, for hw we actually can do sth, that's commonly required and widespred knowledge, and our techstaff is brilliant at it Jul 08 17:22:13 and there is no one left with enough knowledge of Midgard? Jul 08 17:22:17 [2013-07-06 23:12:37] DocScrutinizer05: these are the killed zombies: "25590 31797 18231" of http://pastebin.com/8UkxjEy9 Jul 08 17:22:35 [2013-07-06 23:13:41] now if we knew on what they stalled... :-/ Jul 08 17:22:36 [2013-07-06 23:13:47] DocScrutinizer05: the latest 3 process have almost the same cputime but they were zombie since hours Jul 08 17:23:08 [2013-07-06 23:14:31] fsckng script: www-data 12821 20.9 24.2 1736712 1468040 ? S 20:24 7:36 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start Jul 08 17:23:53 anthonie: no, there's nobody left with knowledge about maemo midgard and *willing to do* sth about it Jul 08 17:24:40 ab has midgard knowledge, but I'm not sure how much he knows about maemo customizations Jul 08 17:24:48 also seems he's busy Jul 08 17:24:48 I can not make any promises, but i'll look into the subject and see if I can help somewhere Jul 08 17:24:49 zero Jul 08 17:25:03 lol Jul 08 17:25:09 lol Jul 08 17:25:16 lol Jul 08 17:25:28 no that busy then ;)( Jul 08 17:25:32 I wasn't involved in running maemo.org so I'm not a droid you are looking for Jul 08 17:26:17 there's none left over of those who ran maemo.org and willing to continue on it Jul 08 17:27:01 and actually only ~30..40% of our itches are related to core midgard Jul 08 17:27:45 most of stuff is related to autobuilder et al, which is entangled to midgard but not fixable on a midgard level Jul 08 17:28:13 but on that sixwheeledbeast is working, right? Jul 08 17:28:43 sixwheeledbeast is maintaining some autobuilder tasks manually, when autobuilder fails on them Jul 08 17:29:00 like cleaning out old packages from repository Jul 08 17:29:22 which is great Jul 08 17:29:27 which autobuilder every now and then starts to try and fail 5 times a day Jul 08 17:29:58 then sixwheeledbeast removes the package manually, which is a botch and not sustainable in long term Jul 08 17:30:43 question about the lock files, it's not just the .dsc's that get locked is it?, in other words, there's more when you run and ls on *.lock I assume? Jul 08 17:30:48 so sixwheeledbeast doesn't maintain autobuilder, he "is" autobuilder Jul 08 17:31:28 which is a situation we'd like to get rid of at some point and leave the work again to autobuilder. Jul 08 17:31:28 give me the command line you want to have executed, please Jul 08 17:31:37 yes Jul 08 17:32:00 we have dozens of such hiccups Jul 08 17:32:20 a list of issues tends to never get finished Jul 08 17:32:38 issues change and grow faster than you can edit the list Jul 08 17:32:47 http://privatepaste.com/145b0770c3 stated this as a result of something done on root@garage:/var/tmp# ll /var/tmp/*.dsc.lock, I assumed it's an ls or something. Jul 08 17:33:17 ll is an alias for ls -l Jul 08 17:34:28 ok, could you remove the .dsc so it looks for all lockfiles? Jul 08 17:34:39 that I assumed Jul 08 17:34:56 sure Jul 08 17:35:38 anthonie: sorry was afk, yes what Doc says I am not "working" on it I don't have that knowledge, I am merely stopping the databases filling with rubbish and logging what I am doing to tide us over. I feel it is better than having the builder shutdown completely. Jul 08 17:36:19 AT least packages are pushed to extras-devel for users to test. Jul 08 17:36:37 @6, fully agree Jul 08 17:37:56 http://privatepaste.com/123a98820a Jul 08 17:38:16 question, has anyone done a fresh install of Midgard locally, just to see where and how far it would get? Jul 08 17:38:41 Also to do with builder, devs can't push packages up to testing or extras either something else that needs fixing and testing. Jul 08 17:39:01 anthonie: nope Jul 08 17:39:34 except probably nemein during migration#1, which may have caused a lot of the issues Jul 08 17:40:53 can' t find decent sys requirements for Midgard, but I presume it needs the standard apache/php4/mysql install and possibly Zend framework? Jul 08 17:41:12 but again, only smaller part of our problems are directly caused by midgard Jul 08 17:41:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1354997&postcount=81 Jul 08 17:41:47 ok, so let' s try and do small steps Jul 08 17:44:08 (on a sidenote: I intentionally keep that convo in this channel, rather than taking it to the #maemo-admin channel. I hope display some of the pinch we're in, to attract savvy members who are willing to help according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347580#post1347580) Jul 08 17:44:39 anthonie, thanks so much for looking into it! :) Jul 08 17:46:16 brb Jul 08 17:46:31 on that postcount=81 issue above, the problem raised from somewhere into postgresql or mysql user database which suddenly refuses to authenticate the admin user, and only fix I found feasible was to create a new dedicated user Jul 08 17:47:01 join #maemo-admin Jul 08 17:47:05 ? Jul 08 17:47:10 eh? Jul 08 17:47:21 would be interested too Jul 08 17:47:25 should we? Jul 08 17:47:43 I'm in! Jul 08 17:47:49 no, since there we dont discuss stuff, we only coordinate actions there Jul 08 17:48:02 I see. Jul 08 17:48:12 thought it would be PW'ed Jul 08 17:48:26 or, if you actually mean #maemo-admin verbatim, then I don't see why we should do that right now Jul 08 17:48:54 no need, just curious Jul 08 17:49:09 #maemo-admin is not THE channel Jul 08 17:49:18 it doesn't exist Jul 08 17:49:33 THE channel is ## Jul 08 17:49:53 but again, we don't discuss stuff there Jul 08 17:50:30 to keep a high S/N for those who are already doing sth now and then, and need to check what anybody else is just doing Jul 08 17:51:11 about 10% of posts are "ALERT!!!!" ;-P Jul 08 17:52:12 ok good, won't disturb over there ;) Jul 08 17:54:30 back, sorry for the delay Jul 08 17:55:48 Well if anthonie has CMS knowledge and is willing to help that's a start. Jul 08 17:56:22 at least I can have a look into it Jul 08 17:56:42 are those system requirements correct in any way? Jul 08 17:57:24 * sixwheeledbeast is thinking if anthonie didn't see DocScrutinizer05's call for maintainers, who else didn't? Jul 08 17:58:03 it needs to be stickied/buttonized, added as a plugin to tasers and what not! Jul 08 17:58:31 sixwheeledbeast: indeed Jul 08 17:58:49 DON'T win7mac will make another banner .... argh :P Jul 08 17:59:09 LOL, was just about to type sth... ;-) Jul 08 17:59:30 ok, the plan is as follows: I'll start and see if I can install Midgard locally to get to know the system and at least have an install of it that actually works. Jul 08 18:00:57 cool, I mean the other option is to use something else. But this was written off months ago due to the man power it would require to start again. Jul 08 18:01:09 that's for sure a fine plan, but I'm not all that sure it has a good effort/achievements ratio Jul 08 18:01:13 migration would be a huge task indeed Jul 08 18:01:17 anthonie: awesome! Jul 08 18:01:37 will report back Jul 08 18:01:39 anthonie: how about rather looking into what we actually have? Jul 08 18:02:50 doc: I would, if I already knew the package, but since I don't I think it' s better to at least see it working fully, rather than trying to troubleshoot the "unknown" Jul 08 18:02:55 but whatever you plan to do, definitely appreciated Jul 08 18:03:08 np Jul 08 18:03:10 agreed ^^^ Jul 08 18:03:52 now I need to get back to the wife because she is demanding food which I need to cook! Whatever you do, never combine programming with a love for cooking! Jul 08 18:04:23 anthonie: damn I'm doomed, that was my lifestyle so far Jul 08 18:05:21 DocScrutinizer05 did you look into the extras account or not?= Jul 08 18:09:08 merlin1991: sorry? Jul 08 18:09:21 you asked if you should go ahead yourself Jul 08 18:09:27 now I'm asking you if you did so :) Jul 08 18:09:43 aah, about that request, no I didn't do anything yetz Jul 08 18:10:39 looking into it then Jul 08 18:13:47 shawnjefferson Jul 08 18:13:58 crap, operator fail Jul 08 19:31:08 Does anybody know if there has been a fix for the N900's video jitter? I have scoured the web - especially meamo.org forums - and have read of a fix by overclocking; has anyone here with/or had a N900 fixed the video jitter permenantly? Jul 08 19:31:41 myk42: video jitter? Jul 08 19:32:21 I have watche alot of vodeo onn youtube from N900 and they all have a jitter in the playback. Jul 08 19:32:34 myk42: use cutetube Jul 08 19:32:38 Video's jump and freeze Jul 08 19:32:42 yeah, cutetube works fine with that Jul 08 19:32:44 or watch them fulscreen Jul 08 19:32:52 fullscreen even Jul 08 19:32:55 doesnt mplayer have the ability to play directly from yt urls Jul 08 19:33:08 mplayer does not use HW acceleration afaik Jul 08 19:33:11 ah Jul 08 19:33:21 but mediaplayer does Jul 08 19:33:23 'cutetube' haha -- wasa typo Jul 08 19:33:36 hmm? Jul 08 19:33:52 ~package cutetube Jul 08 19:33:53 * infobot puts cutetube in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet Jul 08 19:34:06 wtf :( Jul 08 19:34:31 haha Jul 08 19:34:40 2133 freemangordon : ~package cutetube Jul 08 19:34:40 2133 * infobot puts cutetube in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently Jul 08 19:34:43 located closet Jul 08 19:34:45 i am considering getting an N900 it does everything i need and more, but i want to record video when i am out - and there is a very big issue with the video so i have read? Jul 08 19:34:45 2134 freemangordon : wtf :( Jul 08 19:34:48 aaaaaaaaah Jul 08 19:34:49 sorry Jul 08 19:34:57 * Lava_Croft kicks putty in the groin Jul 08 19:35:10 myk42: what video? recording or playback? Jul 08 19:35:39 recorded video stuttering is fixed in CSSU-T Jul 08 19:35:57 and I have never knew that video playback stutters on n900 :P Jul 08 19:36:23 *known Jul 08 19:36:34 whatever Jul 08 19:36:48 my english sucks as usual :) Jul 08 19:36:55 freemangordon: stutter on video recording was what i meant; Jul 08 19:37:36 myk42: it is fixed almost if not on 100% in CSSU-T Jul 08 19:39:16 Almost? :) so it's actively being worked on still? Thats good news! Jul 08 19:39:36 myk42, in my experience video on CSSU-T is completely stutter free Jul 08 19:39:58 both recording and playback (SD not HD) Jul 08 19:40:19 haven't tried freemangordon's HD video rec/playback Jul 08 19:40:24 myk42: well, I am not aware of a device that still has stutter (with CSSU-T installed), but as not all the device have CSSU-T, then I can't be 100% sure ;) Jul 08 19:41:28 )I don't need HD atall - just aslong as it doesnt pixilate on a tv screen np! :( Jul 08 19:41:28 i meant :) Jul 08 19:41:29 qwazix: it is perfect up to 960x720, 1280x720 suffers from low framerate Jul 08 19:41:50 i.e. 22-24 instead of 25 fps Jul 08 19:42:45 wow i think i will get a N900 if the video recording will work without a stutter! Jul 08 19:42:51 freemangordon, :nod: Jul 08 19:43:29 qwazix: BTW got embedlite working with pure Qt, are you still interested in UI? Jul 08 19:43:34 22-24 is great i think, Jul 08 19:43:46 interested in as interested in writing :) Jul 08 19:44:03 Anybody here pre ordered a Jolla yet ? :) Jul 08 19:44:08 yep Jul 08 19:44:12 myk42: yeah, but you need to OC bith CPU and DSP to have that working Jul 08 19:44:14 :P Jul 08 19:44:28 s/bith/both/ Jul 08 19:44:29 freemangordon meant: myk42: yeah, but you need to OC both CPU and DSP to have that working Jul 08 19:45:05 qwazix: well, I can provide you with my geckotest source if you wish Jul 08 19:45:29 you can steal whatever is needed from qml stuff Jul 08 19:45:51 qwazix: the pint is that gecko init is working :) Jul 08 19:45:53 *point Jul 08 19:46:46 just a sec Jul 08 19:46:51 Tbh it's all Greek to me - i will have to google it and find more details when i get one- just googled 'CSSU-T' and still in the dark, but i am happy to know that there is a fix that works! Jul 08 19:47:02 ~cssu Jul 08 19:47:03 methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jul 08 19:47:28 ~ssu Jul 08 19:47:28 extra, extra, read all about it, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Jul 08 19:48:39 I think i can manage to OC it, 'CPU' and 'DSP', Jul 08 19:49:01 ~overclock Jul 08 19:49:01 I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. Jul 08 19:49:17 infobot: you are stupid Jul 08 19:49:18 freemangordon: I think you lost me on that one Jul 08 19:50:00 freemangordon: just reading! Thanks your a true gent! Jul 08 19:50:10 myk42: overclocking is easy, but you should decide it for yourself whether to do it or not Jul 08 19:50:51 myk42: as it increases the EM risk for your SoC Jul 08 19:50:55 i can always buy another N900 if i mess up, they are cheap 2nd hand now Jul 08 19:51:01 sure Jul 08 19:51:23 myk42: so far I am not aware of any device fried with OC, but who knows Jul 08 19:51:26 freemangordon, did the qt version fix the video framerate drop? Jul 08 19:52:43 qwazix: no, right now I am compiling gecko with a patch that use bc-cat for video playback. but we really need Qt on fremantle, as we don;t need the qml overhead Jul 08 19:52:54 :nod: Jul 08 19:54:23 okay, please give me a stable source tree, so that I can work on it without having to pull every time Jul 08 19:54:35 qwazix: sorce tree for what? Jul 08 19:54:41 *source Jul 08 19:54:51 m-c? Jul 08 19:54:52 > well, I can provide you with my geckotest source if you wish Jul 08 19:55:12 a somewhat off-topic question: anyone around with some experience w/ the Nokia E7-00? Jul 08 19:55:15 I bought one of those second-hand and it has the micro-USB issue (similar to what some N900 devices have); I was told that it _does_ charge, but only when connected to a computer and even then it might be 'flaky'...so far I've managed to make the device beep randomly and "boot" to the Nokia screen, after which comes the "loading" screen and then it shows a black screen with the battery icon on the right corner...the battery icon shows that it is _no Jul 08 19:55:16 t_ charging, and usually after this the screen turns completely black within a few seconds Jul 08 19:55:20 qwazix: oh, this is just for reference Jul 08 19:55:26 plus a commit of m-c that is known to work Jul 08 19:55:35 s/work/compile/ Jul 08 19:55:37 qwazix meant: plus a commit of m-c that is known to compile Jul 08 19:56:15 qwazix: lets continue on #embedlite, this is OT here Jul 08 19:56:26 :nod: Jul 08 20:21:40 doc, you still around? I need a public key for the repository of Midgard. "Fetched 4,139B in 1s (4,006B/s)Reading package lists... Done : GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DFD08130B9E2252E" Jul 08 20:22:15 I think it would be better if someone of Maemo send them a mail, actually, to put in some weight. Jul 08 20:40:52 anthonie: afaik GPG "errors" are always just warnings Jul 08 20:41:31 and I dunno about opensuse.org Jul 08 20:58:54 freemangordon: i just wactched about the first smooth video i have seen recorded on an N900 - in HD too. The guy put up a link to donload the video and a link to the HOWTO to get it all working; which was a Maemo.org forum thread which was started/the very first post of 124 --- by you! :) HD looks great on my pc! Jul 08 21:04:27 @doc, done and installed. Dislike it, when repo's just ignore the validity of the whole gpg system. Jul 08 21:29:15 sorry, 1/3 blackout Jul 08 21:29:41 * DocScrutinizer05 tries to find another outlet for the TV Jul 08 21:33:07 i wonder if my n900 can sustain the dsp profile Jul 08 21:54:20 MEH Jul 08 21:54:51 always good to stzart like that... ;) Jul 08 21:54:52 scotty, beam me up! this planet is annoying Jul 08 22:15:00 hello Jul 08 22:20:52 I have a problem with my n900, I installed CSSU and I went clicked in ssu application in the options there is a reboot device button and my n900 Rebout loop. someone could help me? Jul 08 22:21:38 I no longer interface for my office Jul 08 22:22:22 mickael: what is SSU application? Jul 08 22:24:01 Community SSU Jul 08 22:24:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jul 08 22:25:00 vers Thumb Jul 08 22:25:31 mickael: how do you installed it? if you install CSSU in the way it is supposed to be installed, ther is no "Reboot" button, as it auto reboots Jul 08 22:25:45 *there Jul 08 22:26:33 I know, it was already installed Jul 08 22:27:43 mickael: where is that button then? Do you mean "CSSU Configuration" application? Jul 08 22:28:34 when you support the power button of the N900 and you launch the application in the menu CSSU a button reboot device Jul 08 22:28:59 when you push the power button of the N900 and you launch the application in the menu CSSU a button reboot device Jul 08 22:29:04 sorry Jul 08 22:29:20 mickael: yep, I guess this is "CSSU configuration" Jul 08 22:29:28 yes Jul 08 22:29:39 dont push that button Jul 08 22:29:48 reboot device Jul 08 22:29:52 loop boot Jul 08 22:31:02 mickael: ok, most probably you have your /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini screwed Jul 08 22:31:09 mickael: in order to fix that you have to: Jul 08 22:31:32 1. put your device in RD mode Jul 08 22:31:42 ok Jul 08 22:31:50 flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode Jul 08 22:32:32 2. quickly press ctrl-shift-X as soon as hildon-desktop tries to run (to open a terminal) Jul 08 22:33:08 mickael: do you have rootsh installed? Jul 08 22:33:24 yes Jul 08 22:33:30 good Jul 08 22:33:55 so, as soon as you have terminal, type "root" without quotes Jul 08 22:34:12 cd to /usr/share/hildon-desktop Jul 08 22:34:35 see what files are there, I think "CSSU configuration" makes a backup Jul 08 22:34:57 you need to restore it in place of the current transitions.ini Jul 08 22:35:15 ok Jul 08 22:35:24 mickael: if there is no backup, or restoring it don;t help, type: Jul 08 22:35:52 "apt-get install --reinstall hildon-desktop" as root, without quotes Jul 08 22:36:11 you'll be notified that transitions.ini is modified and will be asked what to do Jul 08 22:36:24 choose "Install maintainers version" Jul 08 22:37:45 ok Jul 08 22:45:54 there's probably a transistions.ini.dpkg-dist file he could use without going the reinstall way Jul 08 22:46:29 ok i test it Jul 08 22:46:38 merlin1991: not sure what so called "CSSU configuration" does Jul 08 22:46:50 it's definitely not touching that file :) Jul 08 22:46:51 never installed here :) Jul 08 22:47:11 ok Jul 08 22:47:17 and if he had any chages to transistions.ini (like almost everybody) then he ends up with that file and his originial config when installing cssu Jul 08 22:47:41 merlin1991: he said cssu was preinstalled, whatever that means Jul 08 22:49:24 After I installed CSSU my transitions.ini is still dated Jul 21, 2010 and a dpkg-dist one dated sept 4 2012 got put there. should I be using the new one or "if it's not broke dont touch it"? Jul 08 22:50:02 use the new one Jul 08 22:57:44 how to use the transistions.ini.dpkg-dist file Jul 08 22:57:55 dpkg -i ... Jul 08 22:57:56 ? Jul 08 22:59:35 or mv ... Jul 08 23:00:47 mv Jul 08 23:01:21 ok nice Jul 08 23:02:04 I tried my home, thank you again for the info Jul 08 23:02:14 bye Jul 08 23:43:43 swapped to the "new" one and rebooted...fortunately still working, but don't notice much change... Jul 08 23:44:04 Good evening, anyone here knows if N900 clock drift is documented somewhere? especeially under different temperatures? Jul 08 23:53:55 documented? Jul 08 23:54:01 hardly Jul 08 23:54:38 ~seen mentalisttraceur Jul 08 23:54:44 mentalisttraceur <~user@Maemo/community/council/MentalistTraceur> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 59d 4h 8m 37s ago, saying: '~troll MentalistTraceur'. Jul 08 23:56:43 famous last words Jul 09 00:00:17 how bad is clock drift? (I don't know, I have mine synced with GSM provider) Jul 09 00:01:23 or do you mean cpu clock speed drift? Jul 09 00:02:28 ecc2g: my gsm provider does not provide the time signal, in a month the n900 usually would drift about 2 mins Jul 09 00:04:13 There are a number of ntp packages Jul 09 00:04:37 I guess it's unit specific too... 2 mins/month isn't way too bad, I'm forced to NTP on my server- I lose about 30 seconds/day. Jul 09 00:21:53 I have it intalled as my backup battery is dead Jul 09 00:21:58 and it loses time Jul 09 00:54:29 ecc2g: for your server you might want to look into man hwclock Jul 09 00:55:12 oddly enough both the RTC and the software clock drift Jul 09 00:55:14 ecc2g: system clock often is worse than cmos clock aka RTC Jul 09 00:55:42 and hwclock has a means to comnpensate for systematic drift of RTC Jul 09 00:56:01 * SpeedEvil wishes that the Rb clock modules on ebay hadn't risen in price. Jul 09 00:56:29 you just *never* must do a hwclock --systohc, when you didn't adjust sysclock to a higer stratum immediately before Jul 09 00:57:04 Rb? Dallas? Jul 09 00:57:16 Rubidium Jul 09 00:57:27 never heard of Jul 09 00:57:49 smaller than a Cs clock? Jul 09 00:57:56 ~wiki rubidium Jul 09 00:57:58 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FE-5680A-Rubidium-Atomic-Frequency-Standard-Oscillator-Transceivers-10Mhz-Out-UK-/280917716502?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4168002e16 Jul 09 00:58:13 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{good article}}{{infobox rubidium}} 'Rubidium' is a chemical element with the symbol 'Rb' and atomic number 37. Rubidium is a soft, silvery-white metallic element of the alkali metal group, with an atomic mass of 85.4678. Elemental rubidium is highly reactive, with properties similar to those of other elements in Group 1, such as very rapid oxidation in air. Rubidium has only one ... Jul 09 00:59:23 SpeedEvil, just use gpsrecorder, it sets the clock from gps Jul 09 00:59:26 ooh, so same as dcf77 Jul 09 01:00:00 Sort of. Jul 09 01:00:16 Not for n900. Jul 09 01:00:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77 Jul 09 01:02:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77#Reception_area Jul 09 01:03:20 yeah gps is available in more places than dcf77 Jul 09 01:04:00 That Rb clock unit actually has the Rb in it... unlike WWVB/DCF77/GPS... ? Jul 09 01:04:36 nox-: really? Jul 09 01:04:59 nox-: GPS has a pretty hard time indoors Jul 09 01:05:09 I was sort-of-pondering, with them at half this price - making a little SDR module clocked with the Rb clock - to do position determination of floating balloons. Jul 09 01:05:17 DocScrutinizer05, hmmmm.... Jul 09 01:05:22 From CW, or near CW signals. Jul 09 01:05:57 These are pulls from mobile phone equipment of some sort. Jul 09 01:08:36 ecc2g: what? Jul 09 01:09:47 DocScrutinizer05: This is a primary standard - it does not use radio. Jul 09 01:11:02 damn, incredible Jul 09 01:11:04 yeah,,, wwvb/dcf77/gps needs radio... I'm surprised there is a way to measure the oscillation in such a small package unlike Cs Jul 09 01:13:07 ecc2g: mikeselectricstuff on youtube does a nice teardown of these **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 09 03:00:00 2013