**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 11 02:59:58 2013 Jul 11 04:00:47 extras web assistant gives me "no repository selected" after the upload Jul 11 04:38:59 ~ping Jul 11 04:39:00 ~pong Jul 11 06:15:23 ~ping Jul 11 06:15:24 ~pong Jul 11 06:15:32 ~hahaha Jul 11 08:02:38 now with the cssu stuff etc, what is the recommended setting for WSEGL_UseHWSync Jul 11 08:05:02 Drathir: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1358180#post1358180 Jul 11 08:05:41 Lava_Croft: it's faster with WSEGL_UseHWSync on, but it seems, some n900s are having trouble with it (i never came across one), so my recommendation is to try it and make more backups than normal, while trying Jul 11 08:06:02 i know about the setting, i was wondering if anything changed surrouding it:) Jul 11 08:06:23 hwsync tends to produce graphical glitches Jul 11 08:06:31 damn I even forgot about that Jul 11 08:07:47 i can only tell my personal experience about it and i never had problems with it.. Jul 11 08:14:16 thanks :) Jul 11 08:17:32 is there a story why hwsync works to speed up stuff? Jul 11 08:18:27 also I wonder how hwsync can produce glitches/atrifacts. You'd expect the opposite Jul 11 08:29:41 isnt hwsync like vsync Jul 11 08:29:48 smoothing out the animations Jul 11 08:37:27 yes Jul 11 08:38:04 it should *delay* next fb update until vsync sync gap Jul 11 08:38:21 only works with sw support for that, I'd guess Jul 11 08:39:15 by such delay it would reduce effective virtual framerate to actually visible physical framerate Jul 11 08:39:25 i guess the 'faster' comes from the animations being smooth with hwsync on Jul 11 08:39:36 whereas without they just fire off at max framerate orso Jul 11 08:39:55 nah, faster could actually come from less cpu load for fb update, freeing up cpu for other tasks Jul 11 08:40:12 and graphical errors are probably result of shit hw/sw Jul 11 08:40:27 that's what I said above Jul 11 08:40:40 err sorry Jul 11 08:40:48 no isn't Jul 11 08:41:36 most common is garbage is animated elements being glitchy Jul 11 08:41:46 usually you render a spare fb, then switch video hw buffer base addr (one register) during VSYNC Jul 11 08:41:48 like having leftover garbage pixels on the menu button in top left Jul 11 08:42:00 this only happens with hwsync enabled Jul 11 08:42:06 but cannot reproduce reliably Jul 11 08:42:26 when you switch during frame display, you see artifacts or glitches/tearing Jul 11 08:42:36 not tearing, i mean artifacts that stay Jul 11 08:42:46 that's odd Jul 11 08:42:48 yup Jul 11 08:42:51 mustn't happen Jul 11 08:43:00 i enabled hwsync again in order to be able to screenshot it Jul 11 08:43:05 when and if it happens again Jul 11 08:43:57 well, I figure hw-sync actually needs sw-support, despite the name Jul 11 08:46:08 when your sw writes directly to the supposedly single existing and active framebuffer, then for sure a hw-based switching between two buffers will cause artifacts at best Jul 11 08:47:46 your sw needs to write into the shadow buffer, then either a) switch fb base addr as soon as rendering of new shadow buffer is completed, or b) let hwsync do that, possibly you migght even need an IRQ-handler doing the switching then Jul 11 08:48:48 simply enabling hw-sync won't do any good if sw/drivers are not made to cooperate with it Jul 11 08:50:37 it doesnt reliably produce artifacts Jul 11 08:50:48 in fact most of the time nothing is wrong Jul 11 08:50:59 which is annoying Jul 11 09:00:51 sounds like all the other stuff (SR, 125MHz...) that Nokia found to have some glitches but wasn't able to figure how to fix or workaround those, so disable resp not use it Jul 11 09:08:00 hi all Jul 11 09:10:53 yes Jul 11 09:11:42 hi lava Jul 11 09:11:58 I still watting to my n900 Jul 11 09:12:08 I did ordered it from HK and I understand its not the nokia orginal phone Jul 11 09:12:32 any one have exprince with N900 from HK , is it the same? Jul 11 09:17:44 its "original" phone Jul 11 09:17:47 just not brand new Jul 11 09:18:11 probably a refurbished unit, new case, etc Jul 11 09:20:47 i have two N900s with different shells Jul 11 09:20:55 different kind of plastic Jul 11 09:21:14 subcontractors for the win? Jul 11 09:34:24 aw, there conversations bugged out again Jul 11 10:07:48 I see Jul 11 10:56:06 when it's a NOKLA phone then you have a nice brick basically Jul 11 10:57:14 when it's a N900 nokia phone, then it been manufactured by nokia, no remakes known to exist Jul 11 11:18:28 DocScrutinizer05: i recall there where some fakes Jul 11 11:18:53 sure, true fakes with a crappy dual-SIM chipset Jul 11 11:19:01 and 16MB RAM Jul 11 11:19:13 NOKLA Jul 11 11:19:24 actually NOKlA Jul 11 11:19:48 not NOKIA Jul 11 11:20:25 no 'nokia' .. looking very much like the original but non maemo Jul 11 11:20:26 facsimile fake fone Jul 11 11:20:41 there where a handful or more fakes Jul 11 11:20:57 but there never been true rebuilds Jul 11 11:20:59 http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/09/29/fake-nokia-n900-or-getting-a-copy-wrong/ << not only this :P Jul 11 11:21:29 one i've seen looked very much geniue, but had a different cheap os Jul 11 11:21:37 when it runs maemo, it is built by nokia Jul 11 11:21:41 yes Jul 11 11:21:51 prolly i didnt heared of any maemo clone Jul 11 11:22:21 BB5 cmt can't get cloned Jul 11 11:22:22 but some of the fakes had a slightly similar name, and/or similar apeareance Jul 11 11:22:54 and i recall *one* was really good faked, only very little details differed, until you turn it on :) Jul 11 11:23:03 yes Jul 11 11:23:09 the nokla phone Jul 11 11:25:28 nope better Jul 11 11:31:07 I consider the "brand new, mint condition" crappy refurbished ones way more annoying Jul 11 11:31:41 odds are you get such a lemmon when ordering in HK Jul 11 11:31:56 mircob acting odd on mine since some kernel power update some time ago, it now starts to get annoying Jul 11 11:32:19 freezes for some time and sometimes gets killed Jul 11 11:32:36 ummm Jul 11 11:32:51 strangely everything else works Jul 11 11:33:06 you're sure it's related to KP? Jul 11 11:33:13 prolly some borked config Jul 11 11:33:23 not really, just that was the time it happened to start Jul 11 11:33:32 unless you do oc, uv, sr... Jul 11 11:33:34 but i dont really want to reflash it Jul 11 11:33:47 Morning, Jul 11 11:34:05 good (ugt) morning Jul 11 11:34:08 Pali: ping Jul 11 11:34:25 freemangordon: pong Jul 11 11:35:10 Pali: I'try to answer Dave's comment re ppa api patch Jul 11 11:35:23 I'll even Jul 11 11:35:30 if you don;t mind Jul 11 11:37:19 you'll even what? :o Jul 11 11:37:23 don't leave me hanging Jul 11 11:37:26 After shutting down my N900 to replace battery, and after turning on again, Das u-boot tries to boot kernel, but nothing happen and device stucks at black backlight screen. not booting dots or sound or anything. Is there any steps to resolve this before trying to flash kernel, etc. ? Jul 11 11:37:38 kerio: I fixed a typo :) Jul 11 11:37:47 oops .. jolla pre-order SOLD OUT .. marketing stunt? Jul 11 11:37:47 i see Jul 11 11:37:50 14:35 Pali: I'try Jul 11 11:38:33 amin007110: make sure you boot to right kernel Jul 11 11:38:55 cehteh: 10 phones were actually produced Jul 11 11:39:01 DocScrutinizer05, the same result with omap1 and kp52 Jul 11 11:39:02 amin007110: juggling with kernels is not exactly foolproof Jul 11 11:39:18 kerio: did they already produce a single phone? :) Jul 11 11:39:29 idk, didn't they make phones? Jul 11 11:39:32 amin007110: did you install multiboot? Jul 11 11:39:39 No Jul 11 11:39:40 Pali: a nit - why is +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_430973 inside the if (omap_type() == OMAP2_DEVICE_TYPE_SEC) { ? Jul 11 11:40:17 what been last rootfs you had running? thumb(cssu) or non-thumb("normal")? Jul 11 11:40:32 Pali: wouldn't it be better to #ifdef the if() itself? Jul 11 11:41:07 DocScrutinizer05, before this, device works normally and many successful reboots and restarts happened. before this shutdown, no new changes applied! Just surfing the web. Jul 11 11:41:27 DocScrutinizer05, CSSU-T last update Jul 11 11:41:29 that's no answer to my question Jul 11 11:41:33 mhm Jul 11 11:41:53 non thumb testing Jul 11 11:42:01 I hope cssu-t8.2 Jul 11 11:42:36 updated last week, I don't remember exact version Jul 11 11:42:42 freemangordon: ok answer email Jul 11 11:42:48 since cssu-t8 (and 8.1?) had a known issue with fstab that would cause exactly what you encounter Jul 11 11:43:07 freemangordon: next patch will add more lines to if (omap_type() ==) Jul 11 11:43:24 so this is reason why I put #ifdef out of if() Jul 11 11:43:24 amin007110: do you have backupmenu installed? Jul 11 11:43:48 after errata patch will be accepted in mainline I will send next patches Jul 11 11:43:57 Pali: I see, makes sense Jul 11 11:44:15 causing problem even after 20 successful reboots? No, backupmenu not installed. Jul 11 11:44:35 amin007110: yes, possibly Jul 11 11:45:31 anything i can do in u-boot console ? Jul 11 11:45:41 amin007110: when last shutdown caused unclean umount of /home or even /, then the new stuff in cssu-t around fsck might still kick in and a bug wake up after several successful boots Jul 11 11:46:09 if that's the issue, then it's unrelated to uboot and kernel Jul 11 11:47:07 If this is the case, i think i should boot rescue OS and trying fsck! yes? Jul 11 11:47:20 I appreciate the braveness of pali messing with this stuff Jul 11 11:47:31 but I don't dare to try it Jul 11 11:47:49 amin007110: basically yes. Good approach Jul 11 11:48:06 get guidance from some of the cssu hackers doing it Jul 11 11:48:49 i remember that one time in the past i did this, maybe last year :D Jul 11 11:48:53 boot into rescueOS, try mounting /home and / of maemo, see if it mounts cleanly Jul 11 11:49:33 don't forget to recite the sacred prayers Jul 11 11:49:50 if /home ext3 partition doesn't mount r/w, you should first do a backup before you even try to fsck it Jul 11 11:50:09 well, there's always reflash, for worst case scenario Jul 11 11:51:18 Well, we should do anything to avoid the worst, as mush as possible! Jul 11 11:51:38 much Jul 11 11:51:40 actually that fstab-hack in cssu been done with the assumption that fsck basically never gets called on N900 during boot. The opposite is the case though Jul 11 11:52:25 Hmmmm... Jul 11 11:52:45 fsck is needed each time your phone shuts down not 100% gracefully Jul 11 11:53:42 and isn't it possible to implement the package in u-boot console for emergency cases? Jul 11 11:53:45 and tweaking stuff in this part of system init is really brave Jul 11 11:54:03 no, uboot is cluttered already Jul 11 11:55:32 Then i should install backupmenu to access r/w via USB and do such things in desktop, for example. :) Jul 11 11:56:01 yes Jul 11 11:59:08 It seems pali's chat client needs fsck too! (read error)!!! [jk] Jul 11 11:59:30 actually backupmenu would also show that your kernel gets loaded and system starts up but does not display anything Jul 11 12:00:13 it seems pali's client has an auto disconnect when stuff gets tough ;-) Jul 11 12:00:35 (it's been pali who did that fstab hack) Jul 11 12:01:08 lol Jul 11 12:04:14 I guess we need a QA form for cssu patches Jul 11 12:05:13 to list&checkmark all the needed steps to ensure regression tests and code coverage etc been done Jul 11 12:06:33 DocScrutinizer05: NSA just wanted to know what pali was up to :) Jul 11 12:07:01 a friendly tap on the wires Jul 11 12:07:22 hehe Jul 11 12:07:36 jon_y, :) the word "stab" in "fstab" must ring some bells.... Jul 11 12:07:48 :) Jul 11 12:07:59 hey anthonie! Jul 11 12:08:21 the NSA thought that pali was awfully quiet recently and decided to check up on him Jul 11 12:08:22 morning all! Jul 11 12:08:24 anthonie: please register with nickserv! Jul 11 12:09:14 /msg nickserv help register Jul 11 12:10:02 jon_y: we need our own PRISM Jul 11 12:10:18 /msg nickserv help register Jul 11 12:10:23 "big data" sounds fun Jul 11 12:10:27 definitely, so we don't forget our chat logs Jul 11 12:10:39 rikanee: I should be appropriate and sufficient for that task Jul 11 12:11:00 anthonie: no leading space Jul 11 12:13:07 rikanee: though the centralized concept of prism is not exactly matching my massively distributed nature Jul 11 12:15:33 DocScrutinizer05: run the network gather backend over "BitTorrent meets folding@home", with Node.js, Coffeescript, Rails, and PHP to hack together a new type of non-ACID relational DB Jul 11 12:16:07 ~wiki skynet Jul 11 12:16:15 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|Skynet}} 'Skynet' may refer to: * Skynet (satellite), a UK military communications system * Skynet ("Terminator"), a fictional computer network, the primary antagonist in the "Terminator" series of films * "SkyNET", a 1996 PC game based on "The Terminator" film series 'Skynet' may also refer to: * Skynet (airline), a Russian regional airline based in the Krasnoyarsk Airport ... Jul 11 12:18:03 smetimes it bocomes too obvious. Like with opera Jul 11 12:18:13 becomes* Jul 11 12:19:48 http://my.opera.com/securitygroup/blog/2013/06/26/opera-infrastructure-attack Jul 11 12:20:07 [2013-07-09 14:49:52] >>This has allowed them to distribute malicious software which incorrectly appears to have been published by Opera Software, or appears to be the Opera browser.<< Jul 11 12:20:08 [2013-07-09 14:50:56] >>It is possible that a few thousand Windows users, who were using Opera between 01.00 and 01.36 UTC on June 19th, may automatically have received and installed the malicious software.<< Jul 11 12:44:48 I don't use opera on my windows machine Jul 11 13:11:06 morning Jul 11 13:12:55 DocScrutinizer05: ++ for skynet mention but better was the sarah connor's chronicels than oryginal terminator i think... Jul 11 13:28:01 hey has anyone here connected their n900 to a raspberry pi? Jul 11 13:30:08 Gear_, in what way? Jul 11 13:30:39 um, vnc, or any way really? Jul 11 13:30:54 if you have them on the same network, it's trivial Jul 11 13:31:02 ssh/vnc/rdp, whatever Jul 11 13:31:12 you can connect anything to it Jul 11 13:31:34 I mean more of a pocket... two devices kind of thing Jul 11 13:32:07 you can connect the n900 straight to the pi via usb using that wifi hotspot app Jul 11 13:32:10 would they have some purpose? Jul 11 13:33:33 DocScrutinizer05, "e2fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2" has been done. Now I have a booted Maemo with no image at all. lol! for example nokia logo or backgrounds, Language, Region, Time and Date selection menu, all has ! mark and "missing image" text. Jul 11 13:38:15 amin007110: I'm afraid you nuked the /home Jul 11 13:38:53 I think it does not mount at all. Jul 11 13:39:05 mount will tell ;-) Jul 11 13:39:44 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Jul 11 13:40:50 the same as you typed, but (defaults) instead of those! Jul 11 13:42:10 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (defaults) Jul 11 13:45:18 well, then it is mounted at least Jul 11 13:45:35 check /opt Jul 11 13:46:20 /home/opt on /opt type none (bind,rbind) Jul 11 13:49:09 well, tones of things in lost +found. fsck did this no doubt! Jul 11 13:50:41 hi Jul 11 13:50:46 raspi + usb tether Jul 11 13:51:00 It seems some of them are those missing ".png" files. Jul 11 13:51:03 well, I dunno yet really. you can vnc into the raspi, and then give it full access to the 3g modem Jul 11 13:51:47 or just mess around with the pi on the go without needing a screen or keyboard Jul 11 13:52:01 but it works! Jul 11 14:04:13 amin007110: now was the time to restore a /home backup, via backupmenu Jul 11 14:05:02 my last /home backup dated 2011 i think :D Jul 11 14:05:31 then you're probably in for a reflash Jul 11 14:06:07 So, how to backup important data now while i have x-term? Jul 11 14:06:11 when you're lucky you don't need to reflash vanilla, just re-optify the whole stuff in opt that got lost Jul 11 14:06:40 hmm, a cp -a might work, when you got a uSD Jul 11 14:06:55 though, probably better tar it up Jul 11 14:07:15 since uSD rarely has a posix fs Jul 11 14:08:13 maybe tar to your PC is even better Jul 11 14:08:19 or scp Jul 11 14:08:40 or rsync Jul 11 14:09:01 ~jrtools might help, look at very bottom of page Jul 11 14:09:03 Creating posix fs with gparted on ubuntu is easy, but finding uSD among lots of stuffs on my desks is hardly near to success! hehe. Jul 11 14:09:08 GOD Jul 11 14:09:12 ~sorry Jul 11 14:09:13 * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THEM, THEY MADE ME DO IT!!!" Jul 11 14:09:24 ~jrtools Jul 11 14:09:25 well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 11 14:10:10 I think on ubuntu odds are you already have a posix fs on / Jul 11 14:10:16 and on /home Jul 11 14:10:26 and $HOME Jul 11 14:11:07 most likely ext3, ext4, or maybe even btrfs Jul 11 14:11:17 on n900 or laptop ? Jul 11 14:11:31 all are capable to handle/store posix file attributes Jul 11 14:11:56 amin007110: hm? Jul 11 14:12:08 what on ... or... Jul 11 14:12:20 does ext3 on loopfs over emmc/fat32 work? Jul 11 14:12:33 (in power kernel at least?) Jul 11 14:12:37 should, if you wanna do that Jul 11 14:13:03 but I gather you are ssh into n900 from your linux PC Jul 11 14:13:08 just swap over loopfs doesn't work? Jul 11 14:13:36 ssh over usb ? Jul 11 14:14:07 oops, I missed two users speaking Jul 11 14:14:24 amin007110: yes, whatever you're using Jul 11 14:14:39 usb, wlan, BT Jul 11 14:16:32 amin007110: otoh I guess rescueOS exports /home aka mmcblk0p2 via USB as mass storage? Jul 11 14:17:04 how to check ? Jul 11 14:17:27 read README of rescueOS Jul 11 14:17:35 plug N900 to PC Jul 11 14:18:13 you might need to run a script or command to make the /home get exported Jul 11 14:18:19 on N900 Jul 11 14:19:47 ~lart ext3 on flash storage Jul 11 14:19:48 * infobot shoves a crumpet down ext3 on flash storage's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? Jul 11 14:21:07 DocScrutinizer05: afaik, usd and emmc are exported Jul 11 14:21:37 I for one consider it rather silly to try and write 512byte journal chunks for fs data on a storage that has erase pages in the MB size range Jul 11 14:22:42 DocScrutinizer05: i optimized my ext4 =D Jul 11 14:23:15 it now knows that writing on 4mb blocks is a lot more efficient Jul 11 14:23:43 Join #uberstudent Jul 11 14:23:49 either you buffer/cache and lose 500kb+- of journal on hard shutdown, or you write back dirty buffers every 2 seconds, and make the idea of journal futile Jul 11 14:23:57 Heh Jul 11 14:24:12 #join uberstudent Jul 11 14:24:25 try / Jul 11 14:25:35 Yes thank you doc Jul 11 14:25:54 Been a while since last time I was in irc Jul 11 14:26:33 awesome: >>Hi I manage a call center and I need the Twinkle of a report relief port time each user (operator)<< Jul 11 14:27:04 ...wut? Jul 11 14:27:13 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if a human mamanged to create that gibberish Jul 11 14:27:25 managed* Jul 11 14:27:48 you have no chance to survive make your time Jul 11 14:28:03 all your base are belong to us Jul 11 14:28:06 Lol Jul 11 14:28:25 sounds like machine translation engrish Jul 11 14:29:05 I just had to decide whether to approve or reject as spam this forum message Jul 11 14:29:50 interesting to see if it gets any answer Jul 11 14:29:55 ;-P Jul 11 14:30:57 GOD, seems this is not a human. Next post Jul 11 14:31:39 > >Hi I need help, how do I disable or remove options and automatic answer not disturb the service menu<< Jul 11 14:32:37 I turn you guess it off, probably Jul 11 14:32:56 ^the answer Jul 11 14:33:43 I turn you guess it off, probably ^the answer no i not Jul 11 14:33:49 :D Jul 11 14:35:23 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages?o=1 Jul 11 14:56:07 OS-Command Injection via UPnP Interface in multiple D-Link devices http://www.s3cur1ty.de/m1adv2013-020 Jul 11 14:56:18 \o/ Jul 11 15:13:58 Anybody use mobile hotspot or the qt gui? I need to use my N900's data connection for my works laptop. Solutions? Jul 11 15:14:10 damn nickserv Jul 11 15:15:14 ping Jul 11 15:15:29 ~ping Jul 11 15:15:30 ~pong Jul 11 15:17:29 sixwheeledbeast, mobile hotspot worked prfectly :) Jul 11 15:17:53 works* Jul 11 15:18:13 I guess you have to use terminal each time you need to use it? Jul 11 15:18:19 no Jul 11 15:18:43 just install mobile hotspot application from repo and ready to go Jul 11 15:19:07 launch, set web encryption and hotspot name (or leave default) and hit Start Jul 11 15:19:52 mmm sounds good is it a secure connection? I guess it works on KP52? Jul 11 15:20:06 Also script version from terminal works, but gui version is more reliable. Jul 11 15:20:35 yes, i confirm that it works on kp52. Jul 11 15:20:50 oh, and WEP encryption only! Jul 11 15:21:32 but be aware of battery usage. Jul 11 15:23:08 amin007110: great thanks I will look into that. WEP grrr... not good but better than no encryption. Jul 11 15:25:10 sixwheeledbeast, no problem, in my tests with genuine nokia 1430mAh 5.3Wh battery, it lasts about 4-5 hours to become empty, using only hotspot and a bit GPS, 2-3 short calls and some text messages. Jul 11 15:25:20 sixwheeledbeast: you may want to use additional encrypted protocols like https, ssh, etc then wep shouldn't be much of an issue Jul 11 15:26:46 sixwheeledbeast: you definetely want to use additional end-to-end encryption Jul 11 15:27:11 in general Jul 11 15:30:23 mac filtering? Jul 11 15:30:28 is it possible Jul 11 15:31:38 although ... never mind Jul 11 15:33:00 USB could be a better option. Jul 11 15:37:11 mobile hot spot makes my phone chew up battery like there's no tomorrow... USB and bluetooth even, are better... Jul 11 15:37:33 still good to set up when in a bind though. Jul 11 15:40:29 The most important benefit of Mobile-HotSpot is the ability to connecting multiple devices to share Internet across. Jul 11 15:42:07 most of the time when I'm in a bind, I only want exactly one computer to access the network :D Jul 11 15:43:29 though when I had my 5230 which doesn't have wifi... I was using my eeepc to distribute wifi. which had the benefit that ath5k supports infrastructure/AP mode... Jul 11 15:47:14 IIRC n900 + MHS = less than 2 hours from charged to flat Jul 11 15:47:38 ecc3g: on 3G? Jul 11 15:47:51 yeah... Jul 11 15:48:16 looks normal to me Jul 11 15:48:28 right Jul 11 15:49:07 was comparing it with using BT/USB... which depends on how much you use the radio... probably similar unless you're sporadically using the network Jul 11 16:16:15 what's with the repositories? Jul 11 16:33:57 Gear_: why? Jul 11 16:38:24 I can't install arp-scan Jul 11 16:48:15 it just isn't there Jul 11 17:00:47 Gear_, arp-scan 1.8.1-0maemo4 in http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Jul 11 17:01:07 also here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/arp-scan/1.8.1-0maemo4/ Jul 11 18:12:35 Hi guys, how can i make my screen always to be a portrait ? Jul 11 18:33:31 XATRIX: short answer: cssu. Even shorter answer: not Jul 11 18:34:21 XATRIX, Maemo is designed primarily for landscape usage. Jul 11 18:34:26 XATRIX: there are still programs that simply don't work in portrait mode Jul 11 18:34:44 while harmattan portait :p Jul 11 18:35:02 I believe you can with testing versions of CSSU. I just tried it just then and it seems to lock it in portrait once you disable orientation lock (on landscape), rotate device so that it is held like a phone (forces rotation to portrait), enable orientation lock (on portrait). Jul 11 18:35:44 Yeah what DocScrutinizer05 said, there are parts where you can have portrait but not many programs can allow portrait only mode. Jul 11 18:42:00 btw I'm pretty content that I finally convinced them to have an orientation lock that works this way Jul 11 19:00:01 DocScrutinizer05, my accelerometer is pretty fucked up, and from reading the forums, I am not alone, in fact the accel hardware on the n900 was pretty crappy to beggin with, the option to disable oreintation and accel based function is greatly appreciated Jul 11 19:00:09 or an option to calibrate the accelerometer Jul 11 19:05:35 the accel-meter gets discalibrated by a glitch in driver (in my book), anyway verified is that it needs reboot or even battery removal to "recalibrate" Jul 11 19:06:13 and I never again seen this problem since I guess PR1.3 the latest Jul 11 19:15:28 though meanwhile if I would encounter same problem again, I would try to unload and reload the lis302 driver module Jul 11 19:16:12 or even simply restart mce Jul 11 19:21:09 how can i change the ip associated with a sip server? Jul 11 19:33:03 cehteh: hmm? Jul 11 19:33:24 just recreated and deleted Jul 11 19:33:27 I'd think that's a DNS thing? Jul 11 19:33:48 i entered hard IP's here :) Jul 11 19:34:08 or did you refer to your own IP as "seen" by SIP registrar? Jul 11 19:34:49 oooh, the SIP config dialog of fremantle ;-P Jul 11 19:34:50 the one i enter on sip account here Jul 11 19:34:53 is ubar Jul 11 19:34:54 yes Jul 11 19:34:57 fubar even Jul 11 19:35:05 anyway fixed now Jul 11 19:35:17 i just connect internall here to my fritzbox Jul 11 19:35:22 once you enter something for e.g. display name, you never again can delete it Jul 11 19:35:27 and changed its IP Jul 11 19:35:46 works now Jul 11 19:36:08 yeah, you can delete the account and create a new one Jul 11 19:36:30 sux because i didnt noted the password :P Jul 11 19:36:48 well just gave a new one Jul 11 19:36:54 "known" issue, but since I never filed a bug, it never got fixed Jul 11 19:37:14 I noticed it maybe 3 years ago Jul 11 19:51:24 cehteh: I'm absolutely sure you could change that stuff in either gconf registry or rather rtcom account config files Jul 11 19:51:57 also look up password which is stored plaintext there Jul 11 19:53:00 yeah, /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg Jul 11 19:53:12 here you are Jul 11 19:54:59 EUGH! has no password Jul 11 20:02:45 nfc where the password gets stored Jul 11 20:35:59 echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger Jul 11 20:37:10 alas class of supported triggers has no WLAN or radio Jul 11 20:37:56 but "disk" activity indicator on indicator LED makes a lot of sense to me too Jul 11 20:38:46 where you seen it first? on #maemo. Who posted it? DocScrutinizer05 Jul 11 20:42:49 if the above is a bit too terse for you: the cmd line "echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger" makes your indicator LED shine blue whenever access to mmc0 happens, and shine green whenever mmc1 gets accessed. For best results disable breathe light in settings Jul 11 20:46:10 the setting seems not permanent, any mce event that causes a new led pattern to get enabled seems to reset it Jul 11 20:59:56 wow! Jul 11 21:00:09 nokia announced yet another completely unimpressive mobile device! Jul 11 21:00:17 and its still the same phone as 2 years ago, it seems! \o/ Jul 11 21:02:27 if they only would announce same N900-alike as 5 years ago Jul 11 21:03:19 those times are past us Jul 11 21:03:26 nokia is not in the game anymore to set the bar:) Jul 11 21:03:39 they now follow, several miles behind Jul 11 21:03:53 what i wonder is what monkey at Nokia thought that putting this PureView monster in a Lumia will make people want a Lumia Jul 11 21:04:08 as if the camera was the reason holding people back from buying a Lumia Jul 11 21:06:03 * DocScrutinizer05 stares at his new disk activity indicator and thinks "how awesome!" Jul 11 21:06:10 yeah i read it Jul 11 21:06:16 but i decided its not worth it if it doesnt stick! Jul 11 21:07:02 please port to N9 :P Jul 11 21:07:18 while sleep 10; do echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger; done Jul 11 21:07:43 good enough for me, for now Jul 11 21:09:41 btw don't get fooled, here mmc0 and mmc1 are genuine unrenamed meaning Jul 11 21:10:10 and I think r for red is nicer than b for blue Jul 11 21:10:43 i.e. uSD is red, not blue when you use /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r instead *b Jul 11 21:12:52 I just wonder wtf there's no mtd0 in list of triggers Jul 11 21:13:09 (cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger) Jul 11 21:13:37 none timer heartbeat mmc0 [mmc1] Jul 11 21:15:20 heartbeat is pretty boring Jul 11 21:15:36 timer is kinda obscure Jul 11 21:16:03 I once checked sourcecode how to use it, but in the end it's also boring Jul 11 21:16:23 ill just blindly copy and paste that you said over ssh Jul 11 21:16:35 n900 is not within reach Jul 11 21:17:06 (of course i wont, but its always fun to say such things) Jul 11 21:17:20 well, when you want to run that via ssh (wlan) then you probably should use nohup (or screen) Jul 11 21:18:22 and as mentioned, it works much better when you disable "device on" LED pattern in settings/LED-patterns Jul 11 21:18:34 i have all leds except charging disabled Jul 11 21:18:40 :nod: Jul 11 21:18:42 they serve me no purpose for notifications Jul 11 21:18:55 then you indeed can simply c&p it to a ssh session Jul 11 21:19:44 nohup while sleep 10; do echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r/trigger; done Jul 11 21:22:22 ok Jul 11 21:22:30 im not fast with saying such things Jul 11 21:22:36 but THIS particular blinking light is cool Jul 11 21:22:39 thanks Jul 11 21:22:50 finally it seems i havew a valid use for the led Jul 11 21:23:02 at least for as long as the novelty factor works Jul 11 21:23:50 *cough* Jul 11 21:23:54 IroN900:~/bin# cp -i * /usr/local/bin/ Jul 11 21:23:55 cp: „/usr/local/bin/patch-libsms“ überschreiben? n Jul 11 21:23:57 cp: copy.c:2259: valid_options: Assertion `((unsigned int) (co->backup_type) <= numbered_backups)' failed. Jul 11 21:23:58 Aborted (core dumped) Jul 11 21:24:20 o_O Jul 11 21:26:01 IroN900:~/bin# cp --version Jul 11 21:26:03 cp (GNU coreutils) 8.4 Jul 11 21:26:19 bbl, afk Jul 11 21:33:48 dont think your led works that well! Jul 11 21:33:54 copying a file did not make it light up Jul 11 21:34:07 well, your 'code' or my insertion Jul 11 21:35:44 I think each keypress causes a mce event that might reset it. To be investigated further Jul 11 21:36:23 wauw Jul 11 21:36:33 and here i thought that idea was crazy, haha Jul 11 21:36:41 since it does seem to cancel it upon any keypress Jul 11 21:36:44 or just about anything else Jul 11 21:36:51 still, a valid path to explore Jul 11 21:36:54 you could disable mce led plugin all together, even when this probably also has impact on kbd backlight Jul 11 21:37:09 yeah, thats not really needed for now Jul 11 21:37:15 im sure there can/will be a workaround Jul 11 21:48:48 its amazing how Apple can make a 2h presentation and show nothing really new and everybody is cheering Jul 11 21:49:02 while ELop shows off quite impressive camera tech and im just yawning Jul 11 21:50:51 most of the Nokia Pro Cam stuff is already pretty normal for n900 users Jul 11 21:51:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M_Q3bxo7vJI#t=1548s Jul 11 21:52:02 thats neato Jul 11 22:14:26 how many cell phones out there have xenon discharge flashes nowadays? Jul 11 22:15:53 no clue, but its normal to bring standard features as if they are special Jul 11 22:17:04 It does make a big difference in low light photography... but it eats battery... Jul 11 22:18:28 well, friend of mine has that other lumia with the neat low-light ability Jul 11 22:18:32 it's quite impressive Jul 11 22:18:43 too bad thats about the only thing thats neat about t Jul 11 22:18:45 it* Jul 11 22:18:59 probably. Jul 11 22:19:08 almost bought a 808 the other day, but decided 527euros is still a bit much :P Jul 11 22:19:40 just that you can't use your phone as a flashlight anymore :o Jul 11 22:19:42 hehe Jul 11 22:20:11 :) Jul 11 22:20:44 I wonder if it's possible to upgrade the N900's LEDs with a higher efficiency/higher wattage LED. Jul 11 22:20:56 hm, probably not, since that would draw more power Jul 11 22:21:02 im fairly sure that stuff is fairly tight Jul 11 22:21:13 and i used the fairly twice in a single sentence, so \o/ Jul 11 22:22:06 some of those 1W LEDs are really bright, I should check the luminosity of the built-in LEDs... Jul 11 22:22:21 then again, they are fairly bright when used as a flashlight as they are. Jul 11 22:22:49 yeah, and getting the flashlight on is actually easier on n900 than on n9 Jul 11 22:22:56 at least the way i do it Jul 11 22:23:06 so i end up using the n900 as flashlight all the time:P Jul 11 22:23:20 actually a 1W LED should still last a while on a bl5j Jul 11 22:24:17 then again the LEDs may already be close to 1W as they are... Jul 11 22:25:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch Jul 11 22:27:55 hmm 320mA =~ 1W, they might well be 1W LED units Jul 11 22:28:05 w/o heatsink Jul 11 22:28:33 the dies look very small for 1W but might just be due to the lens Jul 11 22:31:28 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO7PyjpCIAA6hsP.jpg:large :) Jul 11 22:31:54 the only thing keeping the right iphone from not falling apart into glass shards is the cae Jul 11 22:31:57 case* Jul 11 22:52:23 hmm... I really wonder why people like showing off their broken iphones,... it screams "idiot" to me... Jul 11 22:53:38 this is even worse Jul 11 22:53:45 this is the woman's 9th iphone Jul 11 22:53:53 ouch. Jul 11 22:53:58 she cant get a new one because the insurance company finally said 'screw you' Jul 11 22:54:07 the left one is my wife's Jul 11 22:54:32 need to figure out how to take care of them. Jul 11 22:54:39 like just not dropping them i guess Jul 11 22:54:51 something like that. Jul 11 22:54:54 my wife's dropped quite a few times, it has just a few little dents in the aluminium band Jul 11 22:55:03 so i dont know what some people do to it! Jul 11 22:55:35 shit happens... but... why show off a broken iphone Jul 11 22:55:55 its power reflected in vanity! Jul 11 22:56:46 honestly I don't even recognize iphones, heh. I would have just passed it off as "phone X" if you haven't told me... Jul 11 22:56:59 oh, its easily recognizable as an iphone Jul 11 22:57:34 but i see that iphone4 every day, so im probably rather biased:) Jul 11 22:58:36 now... a broken n900... time to mourn. heh Jul 11 22:59:33 ill mourn when its dead, broken can be repaired Jul 11 22:59:53 heeh Jul 11 23:01:00 unlike iphones, the number of n900s out there can only go down :( Jul 11 23:01:06 sadly, yes Jul 11 23:02:54 I dropped my n900 a few days ago onto concrete, my heart stopped, fortunately it was only a foot or so, and it's still working OK... Jul 11 23:03:05 dont speak of such things, its awful Jul 11 23:03:10 no cracks fortunately Jul 11 23:03:12 you get near-heart attacks all the time Jul 11 23:03:15 I shouldn't. :( Jul 11 23:03:21 everytime it moves in a direction i dont want to, i go aaah Jul 11 23:03:27 its silly, for a dumb computer Jul 11 23:03:40 well, i shout aaah from my mind's mouth:P Jul 11 23:03:49 true... dumb computer that has no replacement other than itself... Jul 11 23:22:00 well, don't sit on it. that's what most of those "broke my iphone" dudes prolly do Jul 11 23:26:37 how many n900s have succumbed to back pocket forgetfulness? Jul 12 00:16:16 n900's are fairly tough though... mine lives in my pocket outside my body armour when i am riding my dirt bike - it has survived numerous crashes unscathed... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 12 02:59:58 2013