**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 13 02:59:58 2013 Jul 13 03:17:44 Install pc-connectivity-manager - Tablet PC-Connectivity Manager Jul 13 03:17:46 where is that? Jul 13 03:17:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ Jul 13 03:18:09 that says that it is in extras-devel Jul 13 03:18:12 but i don't see it Jul 13 03:20:35 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pc-connectivity-manager/0.7.14/ Jul 13 03:20:37 hm Jul 13 03:23:11 guess i'll use the deb Jul 13 04:16:22 ugh Jul 13 04:16:23 i give up Jul 13 04:16:35 maybe i'll look for a damn phone that has a qwerty and supports PAN Jul 13 04:16:44 getting it to work in maemo is making me pull my hair out Jul 13 04:16:57 it seems like for whatever reason maemo doesn't create the pan1 bridge Jul 13 06:23:33 Macer: pc-connectivity-manager is awful Jul 13 06:24:00 install the latest bluez, install kernel-power and install some flavour of brctl Jul 13 06:24:06 and just configure bluez Jul 13 06:40:55 kerio: i think the main problem is the lack of brctl Jul 13 06:41:00 but i don't even know where to get it Jul 13 06:41:06 it isn't in any of the repos Jul 13 06:42:49 would be nice if pan was added to cssu somehow :) Jul 13 06:43:28 but that would also require brctl be added to cssu Jul 13 06:43:34 since that is where i am having my problem Jul 13 06:46:00 Macer: busybox-power has one Jul 13 07:22:11 oh Jul 13 07:22:22 didn't even know there was a busybox-power heh Jul 13 07:22:28 will it conflict with busybox? Jul 13 07:22:42 maybe i will try it out Jul 13 07:23:09 if i do get it working maybe i can make a wiki on it because PAN is the only way to get an android tablet working with wireless tethering Jul 13 07:48:35 trying to install it now Jul 13 07:48:53 hm. lets see what happens Jul 13 08:20:53 argh Jul 13 08:21:53 i keep getting can't add bnep0 to bridge pan1 Jul 13 08:21:56 no such device Jul 13 08:25:30 and brctl Jul 13 08:25:39 brctl: bridge pan1: Package not installed Jul 13 08:25:39 ? Jul 13 08:26:48 maybe no bridge support for the powerkernel i'm using? Jul 13 08:26:51 this is such a pain Jul 13 08:27:08 all this just to get an android tablet to tether Jul 13 08:42:07 If your tablet is rooted maybe you can try Android reverse tether along with usb networking on N900 Jul 13 08:42:09 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371345 Jul 13 08:47:50 http://blog.mycila.com/2010/06/reverse-usb-tethering-with-android-22.html Jul 13 08:51:19 Macer: adhoc not working at all? Jul 13 08:52:19 or you want take by bt from phone and share with wifi on tablet? Jul 13 08:55:25 Drathir, Jelly Bean disabled ad-hoc discovery afaik. Jul 13 09:01:35 Drathir: i want to figure out any way to get an android tablet to use an n900 as a modem Jul 13 09:01:46 and it seems rather impossible Jul 13 09:01:52 the best i got was getting bnep0 running Jul 13 09:02:08 but the brctl doesn't work because i guess the kernel-power doesn't have bridge support (wtf??) Jul 13 09:02:34 and the stupid android tablet doesn't have dun or support adhoc Jul 13 09:02:40 which is an android hard coded thing Jul 13 09:02:42 so i'm stuck Jul 13 09:02:55 can't get pan to wrok on the n900 and can't get adhoc and dun to work on the tablet Jul 13 09:05:04 the tf101 is old anyways.. but that pretty much wipes out any point in ever getting another android tablet heh Jul 13 09:05:08 i don't want to give up the n900 Jul 13 09:05:25 only reason i really like the tf101 is its retarded battery life Jul 13 09:05:58 the thing can go almost a whole day in use if the attachable keyboard and tablet have a full charge Jul 13 09:16:04 http://www.amazon.com/MiniSuit-Samsung-Bluetooth-Backlit-Keyboard/dp/B00D2ZUN1Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1373706849&sr=8-3&keywords=galaxy+s4+keyboard Jul 13 09:16:10 think i'll just get an S4 and one of those Jul 13 09:16:13 heh Jul 13 10:13:53 Macer: host usbip mode usb connection? or that also dont should work? Jul 13 10:34:32 Macer: that still leaves you with Android Jul 13 11:09:27 am i the only one having trouble to get the n900 to login to FB chat Jul 13 11:15:55 well, look at the complete mess re versions in http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ Jul 13 11:21:26 Lava_Croft: no, I heard NSA recently bitched about lot of problems eavesdropping FB ;-P Jul 13 11:22:19 which doesn't mean they'd given up on it, just that it's cumbersome for them too Jul 13 11:22:47 :P Jul 13 11:22:53 carebear about nsa Jul 13 11:23:10 all those people using the US owned internet that cry about NSA Jul 13 11:23:15 :) Jul 13 11:23:27 its lovely! Jul 13 11:24:04 dafaq! NSA using De owned internet to spy on us Jul 13 11:24:15 but its not DE owned Jul 13 11:24:29 it is, here in Germany at least Jul 13 11:24:33 thats what you think Jul 13 11:24:38 its basically a US owned thing, the internet Jul 13 11:24:48 that's what NSA thinks Jul 13 11:24:52 you can see it when an FBI logo shows up on a website you might want to visit Jul 13 11:24:58 from Germany Jul 13 11:25:49 Really, all those people who think that the internet can be some place of freedom, as opposed to the real world, are people who don't really get how things work :D Jul 13 11:26:44 really, any NSA that thinks we won't give them the finger sooner or later for spying on intra-german traffic, has a severe brain damage Jul 13 11:26:51 hahahaha Jul 13 11:26:59 Germany wont give the finger to anyone Jul 13 11:27:07 Just like NL wont Jul 13 11:27:18 Angie is just talking tuff for the people at home Jul 13 11:27:27 fsck Angie Jul 13 11:27:35 She is your boss for now Jul 13 11:27:47 Next elections she is gone, but for now ... :| Jul 13 11:28:02 Besides, name me a good alternative:D Jul 13 11:28:10 we got some of the world's best hackers here, and we know how to create stuff that will give Angie and NSA a few headaches Jul 13 11:28:38 Thats a bit of a general statement Jul 13 11:29:03 as general as NSA eavesfropping Jul 13 11:29:16 It's east to eavesdrop the internet Jul 13 11:29:24 I bet the Stasi would go nuts with this power:D Jul 13 11:29:41 well, not power, but possibilities Jul 13 11:29:52 still, Germany wont do anything against the NSA or the USA Jul 13 11:30:00 They have most likely been cooperating with them for the past years Jul 13 11:30:13 not Germany.* Jul 13 11:30:16 Just like about any western euro country Jul 13 11:30:22 Yeah, think that Germany is different Jul 13 11:30:22 maybe our fucking BND Jul 13 11:30:27 Finns think Finland is different Jul 13 11:30:31 Dutchies think NL is different Jul 13 11:30:42 In the end they all work togethered happily against the people:) Jul 13 11:30:46 -d Jul 13 11:31:12 honestly what's your semantic concept of >$nation> ? Jul 13 11:31:24 s/>/ DocScrutinizer05 meant: honestly what's your semantic concept of <$nation> ? Jul 13 11:31:51 concept of a nation is something from the last centuries Jul 13 11:31:56 or even <$continent>? Jul 13 11:32:16 physical distance and borders are nearly completely irrelevant Jul 13 11:32:33 "Germany will do something against USA" HECK that sounds like WW-3 Jul 13 11:32:53 That says more about your way of thinking than it does about mine, heh Jul 13 11:33:09 I didnt even go near anything like 'war' yet, in my thoughts :< Jul 13 11:33:21 Why would they:D Jul 13 11:33:23 Hey, Lara, we dutch ARE different. Look in our eyes. The only reason for NOT raising a finger, is because we smoke so much we can' t be arsed to lift up the hand that holds the finger... :D Jul 13 11:33:26 German IT-professionals will do sth against NSA and BND and prism and tempora Jul 13 11:33:34 anthonie: no no, its because we dutchies are spineless Jul 13 11:33:44 we are a trader nation, we bend in whatever direction is needed to make the sale Jul 13 11:34:00 DocScrutinizer05: sure they will Jul 13 11:34:19 Dutchies will solve the world-wide problem of rising water Jul 13 11:34:20 really! Jul 13 11:34:33 so that invalidates all your rant about "Germany will (bot) do... against USA" Jul 13 11:34:42 It's not a rant, heh Jul 13 11:34:43 (not)* Jul 13 11:34:46 It's just a simple fact Jul 13 11:34:56 Germany depends way too much on the USA to do anything Jul 13 11:35:02 Just like NL or any other western euro country Jul 13 11:35:05 it's a overly simple and even incorrect statement Jul 13 11:35:14 Thinking this is any different is just living in a state of dream Jul 13 11:35:29 Lava_Croft, no, we' re not, we've been told we are and many of us believe we are... because all they know and experienced in their lifes is what they see on the TV Jul 13 11:35:41 anthonie: no, we really are Jul 13 11:35:42 and you refuse to think about my questioning your semantic construct of <$nation> Jul 13 11:36:06 I think I already replied to that Jul 13 11:36:15 last time $Germany did sth was maybe 1933 Jul 13 11:36:18 And stating that I 'refuse to think' about anything Jul 13 11:36:20 over the internet Jul 13 11:36:23 thats a bit Jul 13 11:36:26 L O L Jul 13 11:36:44 I know where this is going Jul 13 11:36:46 so i quit here Jul 13 11:36:55 and even then only 10% of $Germany did the same thing, while 80% did look the other way, and another 10% got killed or arrested Jul 13 11:36:56 I also know how to handle this Jul 13 11:37:00 DocScrutinizer05: you are correct, you are right Jul 13 11:37:03 have a nice day! Jul 13 11:37:47 lol Jul 13 11:38:43 Lava, give me back my spine before you run off! :P Jul 13 11:39:05 anthonie: I think our national spine got lost in time Jul 13 11:39:48 national spine, ROTFL Jul 13 11:39:52 :D Jul 13 11:40:32 I'm hapy to state I got my very own personal spine and CBA to even think about any "national spine" Jul 13 11:41:07 Yes you are a real individual that thinks for himself! Jul 13 11:41:11 you make your own decisions! Jul 13 11:41:16 * Lava_Croft laughs and heads off Jul 13 11:41:24 Cute boy Jul 13 11:42:03 pff Jul 13 11:43:59 while you are remote-controlled by $Netherlands or what? Jul 13 11:44:02 DocScrutinizer05: do you have to type "j" for ja to the english apt-get prompts? Jul 13 11:44:46 no, I think apt-get queries are fux0red and you still have to type "y" Jul 13 11:44:58 iirc it doesn't even understand "j" Jul 13 11:45:13 are you sure? because the prompt says "[yn]" but i have to type "s" for sì (yes) or "n" for no (no) Jul 13 11:45:18 Economically, NL is just an extended German province Jul 13 11:45:27 I dunno since my locale is EN_gb or whatever Jul 13 11:45:41 such lack of patriotism Jul 13 11:46:24 On another, lighter note: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/196009/The_SCUMM_Diary_Stories_behind_one_of_the_greatest_game_engines_ever_made.php Jul 13 11:46:33 The story behind SCUMM Jul 13 11:47:33 btw for anybody breeding weird hopes: Angie will make it for another 4-y term Jul 13 11:47:59 no matter how much I personally hate that fact Jul 13 11:48:40 unless she bites the dust befor next term's end Jul 13 11:48:42 ;-P Jul 13 11:56:30 Lava_Croft: can i ask you connecting with? Jul 13 11:56:45 ? Jul 13 11:57:58 btw that logo looks pooly :/ Jul 13 11:58:47 and on a sidenote to those protesting Greeks, who first faked their balances to get into EU and now bitch at $Germany for not handing out further billions EUR to them with a smile and a "thank you for taking them": EU should NOT give _any_ money to you guys, EU should just confiscate Greek real estate in the vlaue of all the money you already fraudulently tricked out of EU Jul 13 11:59:52 what Jul 13 12:00:39 yes, just about everyone who studied economy for 2 weeks did not tell the EU that letting countries like Greece in would be a liability Jul 13 12:00:46 not at all Jul 13 12:00:52 Lava_Croft: to facebook Jul 13 12:00:59 you van really blame the greeks, not the EU itself Jul 13 12:01:04 Drathir: nothing atm Jul 13 12:01:35 letting countries like greece in was not based on fake greek balance Jul 13 12:01:42 it was a political decision Jul 13 12:02:08 so what? "it's your fault! YOU invited me to your birthday party, now why do you frown at me raping your wife?" Jul 13 12:02:14 eh? Jul 13 12:02:22 yseriously... Jul 13 12:02:29 you are a fucking retard Jul 13 12:02:34 btw i good hear that twitter want "fight" with nsa? Jul 13 12:10:37 about that fbi down site logo its nothing amazing its some kind old way looks little... Jul 13 12:14:45 * DocScrutinizer05 loves lava_croft's polite rational way to discuss any of own points of view Jul 13 12:16:17 * DocScrutinizer05 is temped to post "Meh the Dutch!" but thinks that nobody would realize the irony Jul 13 12:22:08 * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't think that letting Greece into EU, based on whatever, created a liability to accept getting bashed as Nazis by those Greek fools, when there's conditions linked to further billions EUR handed over to them Jul 13 12:23:35 NB I don't think the conditions are any sane and reasonable, but that's not the point Jul 13 12:24:33 it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users think they are entitled to Jul 13 12:25:09 probably better keep political discussions to our own politics and not get into the minefield of nationalism? Jul 13 12:26:27 is that an advice to those greek protesters with their "Angie == Hitler" signs? Jul 13 12:26:52 not that I'd be up to defend Angie Jul 13 12:27:17 but that is plain idiotic Jul 13 12:27:57 an advice to IRC users Jul 13 12:28:30 haven't seen greek protesters here Jul 13 12:28:52 btw the Greek innkeepers of my fav restaurant/pub next house are those who blame their Greek countrymen the hardest Jul 13 12:30:41 when you offer help or gifts to somebody, you generally don't expect to get blamed for that Jul 13 12:32:30 nothing wrong with "Angie no thanks! we dont want THAT kind of help!", but "Angie == Hitler" honestly?? Jul 13 12:33:10 sure, no doubt sth went wrong there, but is that a topic for here? And how is that related to the NSA-thing which started the discussion? Jul 13 12:33:51 not really, except maybe by lava_crofts behaviour which strange enough made me think about this topic Jul 13 12:34:39 Anyway, I don't like to see people leaving because of totally unrelated arguing here Jul 13 12:34:52 just my 2 cents Jul 13 12:34:55 and a faint link to this channel is by discussing general mindset that's perceived extremely annoying which can be found by maemo users who bitch at CSSU team (and other supportive staff) Jul 13 12:35:32 agreed Jul 13 12:35:51 on the "leaving" topic: (s?)he left to avoid getting kicked for offensive speech Jul 13 12:36:33 that's a very fine line you draw there Jul 13 12:36:51 oh really? Jul 13 12:37:39 I don't think anybody would kick you Jul 13 12:38:18 heh Jul 13 12:38:27 no matter what you said Jul 13 12:38:27 it's a almost automatic policy: regex "$chanuser->fucking moron" --> /kick Jul 13 12:38:57 and you bet I would get (and already got) kicked for same behaviour Jul 13 12:40:03 So I heard a story about a fucking moron... Jul 13 12:40:03 even when it been on reply of a similar insult of $user addressed at me Jul 13 12:40:10 heh Jul 13 12:40:31 thought I was supposed to get kicked?! Jul 13 12:41:13 *automatically Jul 13 12:41:15 you don't understand the notation I tried to explain how it works Jul 13 12:41:30 ah ok Jul 13 12:41:58 you didn't address that at another chanuser Jul 13 12:42:08 yeah, got it now Jul 13 12:42:23 even $self->fucking_moron is only mildly deprecated Jul 13 12:43:20 $other_chan_user->insult() however is a sure kick Jul 13 12:43:50 particularly when done in XXX speech Jul 13 12:44:51 and the fine line is between "your behaviour is idiotic" (allowable), and "you're an idiot" (usually a kick) Jul 13 12:45:42 DocScrutinizer05: who blame that blame :/ Jul 13 12:45:58 if you think that policy needs adjustment, you're welcome to discuss it Jul 13 12:46:06 * Drathir is thankfull for that good works for all of us.... Jul 13 12:47:15 Drathir: (blame) which one particularly? Jul 13 12:48:14 I think policy is fine Jul 13 12:48:20 :-) Jul 13 12:48:27 :-) Jul 13 12:49:18 DocScrutinizer05: i mean about this 14:24 < DocScrutinizer05> it's exactly same mindset as that of maemo users bitching at CSSU team for not delivering what those users think they are entitled to Jul 13 12:49:18 welcome back Lava, waves have smoothed out a bit Jul 13 12:49:37 *blame=bitching Jul 13 12:49:56 Drathir: that's some users though one is outstanding: estel_ Jul 13 12:50:09 im messing with irssi where the autojoin is still set, my apologies! Jul 13 12:50:10 Greece should probably be at least thankful that they (sort of)　have EU backing imo. Jul 13 12:50:47 Digging EU economy into a ditch along with Cyprus and probably others. Jul 13 12:51:36 Lava_Croft, no please leave irssi settings as is ;-) Jul 13 12:51:46 WE LOVE YOU Lava_Croft! Jul 13 12:51:54 psycho_oreos: yes, that's what I was saying. No matter how Greece made it into EU, it's not tolerable that they are bitching about the help they _are_ offered Jul 13 12:52:10 all ppl can have differents mind and opinion, if each other killing (kicking) for opinions noone will left... Jul 13 12:52:30 exactly Jul 13 12:52:46 Oh, it's not about different minds and positions, it's just about the fact that after having to deal with uninformed parrots IRL, it gets a bit boring on IRC! Jul 13 12:52:50 :) Jul 13 12:52:52 have fun! Jul 13 12:53:19 also want to someone other thinking the same way isnt good idea... Jul 13 12:53:29 we'd rather have fun together with you Jul 13 12:54:01 psycho_oreos: particularly not when they use Nazi allegations Jul 13 12:54:43 DocScrutinizer05, inevitable because that was part of the history but you can't help those "extremists". Jul 13 12:55:03 the extremists are the only ones on both sides that you see on the news Jul 13 12:55:07 since that is detrimental in two aspects: a) it doesn't really match anything that Angie does, b) it belittles Nazi assholes Jul 13 12:55:14 which is bad for the public perception, as is showcased here Jul 13 12:56:38 Nope, its something for those to rub .de against. The indelible history of what happened. Its sad, but .de isn't the only country alone having to face harsh criticisms about the miserable past. Jul 13 12:56:58 the problem with nazi comparisons is not the comparisons Jul 13 12:57:04 its over-sensitive germans taking them seriously Jul 13 12:57:40 instead of realizing that making nazi comparisons in this situation just disqualifies yourself, they get all riled up and angry Jul 13 12:57:48 granted Jul 13 12:58:09 also realize that the greeks making the nazi comparions are not really greeks that think germans are nazis Jul 13 12:58:21 most of these people are hard-working folks who are now getting royally screwed Jul 13 12:58:22 Well you know its as bad as rubbing salt in one's old wound when one is somewhat patriotic of their country. Jul 13 12:58:30 on a level that a lot of europeans dont seem to realize Jul 13 12:58:37 poverty in greece is really 'wtf' Jul 13 12:58:54 and the largest part of the greeks had shit to do with all of this, they just worked their ass off Jul 13 12:59:05 yes Jul 13 12:59:11 like i said, on both sides in a small, extremist minority that dictates the discussion Jul 13 12:59:15 in/its Jul 13 12:59:32 but when it comes down to it, the root of the problem was not greece itself Jul 13 12:59:41 surely not Jul 13 12:59:44 the root was the EU deciding that it was politcally beneficial to have greece join Jul 13 12:59:49 how could they not let greece join Jul 13 12:59:56 greece is the 'heart' of Europe, so to speak Jul 13 13:00:13 it was even EU not thinking Euro currency union to a proper end Jul 13 13:00:16 there was no economics or anything remotely related to it in play when taking that decision Jul 13 13:00:44 you could say it was purely a marketing/pr decision Jul 13 13:01:04 EU was like 2let's do it *now*, and deal with the problems later, that inevitably will show up" Jul 13 13:04:21 same for countries that roll back the democratization measures they installed to get into EU Jul 13 13:04:26 See Hungary Jul 13 13:04:57 that was just a showcase of a rather newbie democracy Jul 13 13:05:06 they have yet to master the art of doing such things unnoticed Jul 13 13:05:20 EU basically has no means to stop any coup d'etat that installs a dictatorship or whatever else evil government Jul 13 13:06:04 I think each individual country within EU "conglomerate" have their own issues to sort out as well :) all that requires finances. Jul 13 13:06:41 If they were to cover someone else's butt, something at a loss may most likely be attribute towards it. Jul 13 13:06:55 if national politicians stop using the EU as a tool, both positively and negatively, whenever it suits them Jul 13 13:07:26 then EU would start to be a better place Jul 13 13:07:55 NL has had like 5 elections in last 10 years Jul 13 13:08:03 must be awesome as EU to work with such a country Jul 13 13:08:09 where shit changes every week Jul 13 13:08:23 you never hear that on the news when they cry about the EU being inefficient Jul 13 13:09:01 on one hand people want the EU to have as little influence as possible, but on the other hand, the things that people expect the EU to do require the EU to have much more power than they have now Jul 13 13:09:36 ack Jul 13 13:09:36 national politicians are largely to blame for these broken expectations Jul 13 13:10:53 I don't know about politicians within EU, but here they are ranked most poorly on the list of trustable people. Jul 13 13:12:15 here is where? Jul 13 13:12:35 .au Jul 13 13:12:41 and do you refer to EU politicians or your local ones? Jul 13 13:13:26 Any politicians within EU :) I'm all the way over the other side of the globe. The only way I can know of things within EU and other countries is via news or chat, nothing else. Jul 13 13:13:26 I gather local ones, since I heard stories about .au politicians Jul 13 13:14:51 Virtually any politician in .au has a very poor figure, then the individual ones are also ranked (the popular ones). They too (the popular ones) are ranked poorly, I think even higher number than the politicians in general on the "trustability scale". Jul 13 13:16:40 it's remarkable how poor the trust in politicians is in USA Jul 13 13:17:15 Yeah though luckily for the citizens of USA, voting isn't compulsory.. furthermore you won't get fined if you don't vote. Jul 13 13:17:40 and rightly so, when even large parts of opposition politicians always vote with the government party Jul 13 13:19:18 Its more of a free land in US ;) Jul 13 13:19:26 s/land/country/ Jul 13 13:19:27 psycho_oreos meant: Its more of a free country in US ;) Jul 13 13:19:53 yeah, with you getting always exactly TWO "options" to choose from Jul 13 13:20:38 which in the end often turn out to not differ at all, when it comes to the stuff that really matters Jul 13 13:21:44 I guess GeneralAntilles would have more detail to contribute. My statement here is admittedly based on poor information Jul 13 13:22:00 and on Moore's films Jul 13 13:22:09 ;-) Jul 13 13:22:58 Moore is an evil man Jul 13 13:23:06 Only one would be more knowledgeable (imho) if they were to talk about politics from within the country they are residing in. Media tends to love over-exaggerating, often that can lead to bad assumptions. Jul 13 13:23:22 One with an agenda (making himself a lot of cash pandering to people's dumb biases) Jul 13 13:24:05 I kinda agree to that Jul 13 13:24:07 The screwed up state of US politics is mostly down to centralization of power at the national level. Jul 13 13:24:47 I surely didn't take Moore's films for the holy truth Jul 13 13:25:16 They're not even half truths. ;) Jul 13 13:25:40 Cuban healthcare is somehow more admirable than the US system? Jul 13 13:25:42 Please. Jul 13 13:26:02 suuure Jul 13 13:26:06 ;-P Jul 13 13:27:06 Well, actually, it's truer now with Obamacare in place. Jul 13 13:27:11 What a mess that is Jul 13 13:27:34 Handsout for political cronies and regulatory control for politicians. Jul 13 13:27:54 oh? did they make a mess out of a good idea? how surprising! Jul 13 13:28:43 That wasn't a good idea Jul 13 13:29:04 It was always a handout to cronies and a way for bureaucrats to grab more power. Jul 13 13:30:30 * amin007110 is wondering why find command in maemo doesn't support -printf and its arguments, while other ppl in channel discussing about politics without paying attention to its basement: Illuminati! Jul 13 13:30:31 Despite the propoganda put out by collectivists, insurance != health care. Jul 13 13:30:54 busybox Jul 13 13:31:09 amin007110: apt-get install findutils-gnu Jul 13 13:31:27 i tought it already installed, let me check. Jul 13 13:31:53 well, then a "which find" might reveal your problem Jul 13 13:32:05 which I guess is in your $PATH Jul 13 13:32:38 -printf "%s %U:%G %#m " Jul 13 13:34:09 check for `gfind` Jul 13 13:34:48 ok Jul 13 13:36:14 IroN900:~# find --version Jul 13 13:36:15 find (GNU findutils) 4.4.2 Jul 13 13:36:24 IroN900:~# which find Jul 13 13:36:25 /usr/bin/gnu/find Jul 13 13:36:33 IroN900:~# echo $PATH Jul 13 13:36:34 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Jul 13 13:37:24 well, findutils not installed. Jul 13 13:37:41 Drathir: I use bitlbee to connect to fb chat Jul 13 13:37:57 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy findutils-gnu Jul 13 13:37:59 findutils-gnu: Jul 13 13:38:00 Installed: 4.4.2-1maemo7 Jul 13 13:38:27 i have 4.4.2-1maemo8 Jul 13 13:38:56 yeah, that's the "bugfixed" version I created on my local copy manually Jul 13 13:39:10 I guess Jul 13 13:39:48 do you have a changelog of that version, by any means? Jul 13 13:40:14 aha.. gfind is a symlink to /usr/bin/gnu/find .. i was getting worried Jul 13 13:40:24 sure Jul 13 13:40:37 g* --> gnu/* Jul 13 13:41:52 Lava_Croft: O.o nice i dont know that uts api works again... Jul 13 13:42:20 thanks i must check again how this looks like... Jul 13 13:42:29 uts? Jul 13 13:42:36 GeneralAntilles: how's life? Jul 13 13:42:46 How to connect to wifi in busybox with iwconfig? any dhclient alternative ? Jul 13 13:43:22 amin007110, iwconfig can only support WEP. Jul 13 13:43:29 amin007110: I guess you'll run into trouble by fighting ICD2 with direct iwconfig commands Jul 13 13:43:56 So impossible to connect to WPA-PSK in terminal ? Jul 13 13:44:00 ^ that too unless you stop the daemon. Jul 13 13:44:04 not impossible Jul 13 13:44:26 Well, the default maemo5 doesn't include wpa_supplicant. You might need that for starters. Jul 13 13:44:28 just you need a completely different approach Jul 13 13:44:42 aha Jul 13 13:45:06 if you want to connect to WLAN in a standard maemo5 system you need to use maemo means Jul 13 13:45:37 it's around dbus signals and ICD2 and stuff like that, not related to iwconfig Jul 13 13:46:09 sorry I have no proper URL at hand right now Jul 13 13:46:26 Besides there's nothing really wrong with connecting WLAN through standard means. Jul 13 13:46:54 you *might* find something useful to the topic (a starting point at least), in: Jul 13 13:47:00 ~phonecontrol Jul 13 13:47:01 phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Jul 13 13:47:31 i think i have this installed Jul 13 13:48:00 it's not about the "app", it's about the wiki page Jul 13 13:48:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking Jul 13 13:49:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Connect_to_any_saved_connection for example Jul 13 13:49:35 i see Jul 13 13:49:53 thx Jul 13 13:52:00 yw Jul 13 13:55:26 on topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MGRRCMRvw Jul 13 13:57:10 DocScrutinizer05, getting ready to sell the house. Jul 13 14:01:06 anthonie: YEAH! Jul 13 14:06:53 DocScrutinizer05, Couldn't resist after hearing it in my head while reading the discussion :D Jul 13 14:11:31 anthonie: I'm more in love with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMuAEqFdls Jul 13 14:15:21 DocScrutinizer05, t'was a lifetime, I last heard that! Hope my neighbours enjoy guitar... Jul 13 14:20:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlir45ZAyc Jul 13 14:25:46 nice one, you enjoy Don van Vliet as well? Jul 13 15:36:05 hi all Jul 13 15:36:17 is there more mobile phone that run meamo? Jul 13 15:36:29 I remmber I read some but not remmber module Jul 13 15:36:38 not from nokia Jul 13 15:37:00 IIRC, some mythical devices released in China or Japan ? Jul 13 15:37:16 but not really phones, more like weird small tablets Jul 13 15:37:40 Yeah maybe run on a hacked version of symbian that looks like maemo LOL Jul 13 15:38:11 I don't think there's other devices with phone functionality that would run maemo. (btw you spelt maemo wrong :p) Jul 13 15:38:16 any idea? Jul 13 15:39:24 or mybe it was mego Jul 13 15:39:24 meego Jul 13 15:39:24 don't remmber Jul 13 15:39:38 n9/50 runs harmattan, which would loosely apply the category within maemo family. Jul 13 15:40:37 There was other derivatives (I think), one of them was tizen and now the other is sailfish/jolla. These derivatives follow closely to n9's design (i.e. touch only). Jul 13 15:45:38 trying to install findutils-gnu... sub-process post-removal script returned error. trying to overwrite /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/es which is also used in package leafpad. Jul 13 15:46:30 how to reslove ? Jul 13 15:47:16 ok Jul 13 15:47:17 found it Jul 13 15:47:22 openmoko Jul 13 15:47:41 what is openmoko vs meamo? Jul 13 15:49:41 its freerunner , I see it now Jul 13 15:49:52 n900 have much better hardware Jul 13 15:51:33 Openmoko freerunner would have been somewhat a little more competitive had the newer prototype projects it had managed to get into the hands of the community. Jul 13 15:52:05 I see Jul 13 15:52:26 but it seems that this project is dead Jul 13 15:53:19 openmoko inc is dead, yeah Jul 13 15:53:27 ~joerg Jul 13 15:53:27 joerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer Jul 13 15:54:00 gta04 is not exactly an openmoko device Jul 13 15:54:08 wow , nice Jul 13 15:54:08 see gta04.org Jul 13 15:54:40 though it *is* "in the hands of community", it's not exactly considered competitive Jul 13 15:54:45 by some users Jul 13 15:55:09 Hello, I there a device that can install Maemo? Jul 13 15:55:28 yes, there are plenty Jul 13 15:55:55 DocScrutinizer05, nice device gta04 Jul 13 15:56:08 770, N800, N810, N810WIMAX, N900. And with a bit of good will you could count in N9 and N950 Jul 13 15:57:03 I also heard of some successful installations of some sort of maemo on beagleboard Jul 13 15:57:54 The are discontinued. Can I install maemo on an Android device. Like Galaxy S4? Jul 13 15:58:15 yinevertheless I guess what you actually asked for would have to get answerd by "no" Jul 13 15:58:34 actually, NO at your last question Jul 13 15:59:33 maemo is discontinued, in the sense you use the term Jul 13 15:59:51 It was also specifically written for nokia devices. Jul 13 16:00:13 that's why it's discontinued Jul 13 16:00:37 Yup, nokia decided to be m$'s ******... well you get what I mean :) Jul 13 16:00:59 because it's designed/written for Nokia devices and because it contains closed blobs on several core components Jul 13 16:01:17 I think N900 is the best.. But there are no parts or new devices to buy. Jul 13 16:01:38 well, you can find "new" N900 every now and then Jul 13 16:01:51 when searching hard Jul 13 16:02:03 DocScrutinizer05 or anyone... do we know how this was produced - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump ? Jul 13 16:02:14 sure Jul 13 16:02:33 somebody attached a serial converter to the testpoints behind battery Jul 13 16:02:41 :-P Jul 13 16:02:54 * amin007110 is pondering 'dpkg --force-things' to implant in 'apt-get -o' and bypass the error, but don't know which one is which. Though overwrite doesn't work. Jul 13 16:02:57 Xierra, a few of us already owns more than one N900 already :) they maybe old, they maybe outdated, etc. We still love them nonetheless :D Jul 13 16:03:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports Jul 13 16:03:24 that last page seems 'vague' :-/ Jul 13 16:03:32 (btw I guess you could've used "what links to here") Jul 13 16:03:38 amin007110, not a particularly good idea, you lose the package that is to be overwritten. Jul 13 16:04:20 psycho_oreos, Saw the error ? Jul 13 16:04:32 ooh, not easy to find on maemo wiki Jul 13 16:04:37 amin007110, yeah I did. Jul 13 16:05:20 well, maybe removing leafpad does the things. Jul 13 16:05:53 You could rewrite/repack the deb as well. Jul 13 16:05:55 amin007110: please open a ticket against both packages Jul 13 16:06:05 DocScrutinizer05, bug? Jul 13 16:06:09 yep Jul 13 16:07:07 I think me, myself, already am a bug! HeHe. Jul 13 16:08:31 amin007110, which versions of leafpad and findutils-gnu you have/trying to install? Jul 13 16:22:57 http://imagebin.org/264424 woot! Jul 13 16:27:47 One thing you could never do that on n9 without installing all sorts of weird hacks to allow the device to behave :P. Jul 13 16:44:01 blaergh! >>Security Framework initialized<< http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump Jul 13 16:44:55 double-blaergh! >>[ 1.248687] Reserving DMA channels 0 and 1 for HS ROM code<< Jul 13 16:48:43 :) Jul 13 16:49:42 psycho_oreos: I think that's the cam-app-selector I asked for since ~18 months Jul 13 16:50:07 it's dead simple, just have a symlink point to the right binary Jul 13 16:50:28 needs a reboot but heck what Jul 13 16:51:43 DocScrutinizer05, didn't know you wanted that. You can't install A better camera and still retain blessn900. It conflicts/replaces blessn900 when you try to install A better camera. Jul 13 16:52:57 blame maintainers for packaging in a very hostile way that hijacks the device Jul 13 16:54:44 Package is called cl-laucher. Hostile way it hijacks the device? heh that's news to me. Jul 13 16:55:29 psycho_oreos: don't argue, doc knows it better ;) Jul 13 16:55:55 freemangordon, I was merely curious :S tried to search up info about it and found nothing so far. Jul 13 16:55:59 freemangordon: do you argue that cssu nicocam kicks out stock cam? Jul 13 16:56:11 without any need to actually do so Jul 13 16:56:12 DocScrutinizer05: sure it does, but it does it on purpose Jul 13 16:56:15 naah Jul 13 16:56:31 fixing the bugs IS perfectly valid reason Jul 13 16:57:21 yeah, that's what bill gates said when deleting netscape from windows while installing msie Jul 13 16:57:22 and the stuttering video recording(in stock camera) is severe bug in my book Jul 13 16:58:29 the stuttering video recording *I* never been able to reproduce Jul 13 16:59:18 DocScrutinizer05: so? there is a bug on BMO. And *I* was able to reproduce it Jul 13 16:59:53 I however *can* (occasionally) reproduce DSP hangups with nicocam that you say are impossible or unrelated, yet I do see them on nicocam but never on stock cam Jul 13 16:59:54 DocScrutinizer05: the fact that you're not able to reproduce it doesn't make it invalid or WONTFIX Jul 13 17:00:20 aaah good to hear that ;-P Jul 13 17:00:38 DocScrutinizer05: exactly, the same for what you report Jul 13 17:01:13 I've never said (IIRC) your report is invalid. Just that I am not able to reproduce it. Jul 13 17:01:50 the core bug however is to replace a component with sth completely different (even completely new GUI) without offering user any choice Jul 13 17:02:04 DocScrutinizer05: BTW once KCSSU is in -T, I suspect your DSP crashes will be gone. Jul 13 17:03:09 DocScrutinizer05: I understand your reasoning, just don;t agree with it. I can't accept that a bugfix is optional. Call me dictator, I am fine with that :P Jul 13 17:04:03 ok, so your bugs you can't reproduce are madatory for everybody else then? Jul 13 17:04:27 hmm? why do you twist my words? Jul 13 17:04:39 I don't twist them Jul 13 17:06:01 you say you forcefeed a buggy vwersion of cam to everybody, based on your very personal view that you can't reproduce the bug in that version you push while you take the bug that you but not me can reproduce as an argument why stock cam has to get nuked Jul 13 17:06:03 you do. the bug is NOT in nicocam, it is either in DSP driver or in some other kernel code. It *could* be caused by the difference in the timings between stock/nikocak, but it is not a bug in nicocam Jul 13 17:06:34 tbh I don't give a fart on that rationale Jul 13 17:06:45 I see the bug with nicocam, but not with stock Jul 13 17:07:03 DocScrutinizer05: sure Jul 13 17:07:38 and since your mileage varies, you opt for nicocam to forcefeed it to everybody incl me Jul 13 17:07:52 DocScrutinizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU Jul 13 17:08:11 s/in/is in/ Jul 13 17:08:12 freemangordon meant: DocScrutis inizer05: lets continue that conversation after the kernel in CSSU Jul 13 17:08:15 no, since that doesn't change anything about the basic policy applied here Jul 13 17:08:20 omg Jul 13 17:08:51 good replacement Jul 13 17:08:54 :) Jul 13 17:09:29 tbh I don't think I will ever update from cssu-t7 to anything newer Jul 13 17:10:48 cssu wandered out of the rage of what I want to get on my daily phone Jul 13 17:14:10 and I struggled hard to get rid of nokia MP dictatorship. Don't want to trade in what I got now for a new dictatorship courtesy freemangordon Jul 13 17:19:07 merlin1991 and me invested quite some time to come up with a feasible non-dictatorship way to handle stuff. This now is a reason for the estels of this world to bash us Jul 13 17:26:15 (btw based on a thorough ignorance how that concept was meant to work, and alleging some BS nonsense like "additional new repositories" and whatnot) Jul 13 17:30:04 everybody is bragging about "I never use HAM, I use fapman or apt-get exclusively, to update to new CSSU", but when it comes to optional packages like nicocam not possible to install via HAM until it got fixed/patched, and you *had* to use apt-get or fapman to install the _alternative_ nicocam (or any other alternative package), instead of forcefeeding it to everybody, then suddenly that's a showstopper for ending MP dictatorship Jul 13 17:30:18 a sad and pathetic argument Jul 13 17:31:33 I don't get it, nicocam is the standard camera program that is already included in maemo5 firmwares? Jul 13 17:31:59 no, nicocam is the camera that comes with cssu-t Jul 13 17:33:12 o.O another camera software? sheesh there's going to be so many camera programs lol. Jul 13 17:33:13 the one with the awesome AF-distance display that makes a 1m distance show as 3m when you point down, and as 45cm when you point up Jul 13 17:33:38 Ahh yeah that's the standard camera with the new stuff on top. Jul 13 17:34:00 (thanks to AF motor also needs to compensate for weight of lens) Jul 13 17:37:08 I'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having issue is better than one :D Jul 13 17:37:23 s/having issue/having the same issue/ Jul 13 17:37:24 psycho_oreos meant: I'd also be curious to see if I can reproduce that DSP error. I guess two users having the same issue is better than one :D Jul 13 17:37:34 I don't worry about any of that anymore Jul 13 17:38:02 as already mentioned I opted out of any CSSU dictatorship Jul 13 17:40:47 I leave it to the estels of this world to bitch about the one and only mandatory meal available for everybody is not exactly what _they_ like best, and fight for stuff to get more salt, red pepper, and anchovis Jul 13 17:41:44 while others think the meat in it should get replaced by tofu Jul 13 17:42:12 I revert to home cooking ;-) Jul 13 17:46:55 psycho_oreos: if you want to verify/check something, you can try if you get stuutering video recording on stock cam Jul 13 17:47:32 since that is the main argument why stock cam _has_ to get replaced by nicocam Jul 13 17:48:07 DocScrutinizer05, the inevitable thing is that I think I have stock cam installed :/ running the latest testing release of CSSU-T flavour. Jul 13 17:48:17 (still lacks the rationale why we must forbid all users to keep stock cam, but oh well...) Jul 13 17:48:17 err nicocam* Jul 13 17:49:53 psycho_oreos: you can revert that from nicocam to stock cam easily, since there actually is zilch reason why nicocam has to be mandatory in cssu-t, except freemangordon not liking the idea to give users freedom of choice Jul 13 17:51:07 just you probably uninstall MP package during that Jul 13 17:51:13 due to conflicts Jul 13 17:51:57 hmm I could play nasty and repack that deb ;) though needs more work. Jul 13 17:52:08 I didn't look into the details for quite some time, so my statements on how to revert to stock cam and what side effects are maybe fuzzy Jul 13 17:53:13 the simplest thing is to copy the stock cam binary back on device when it got nuked by cssu installation/update, and then just adjust the symlink Jul 13 17:53:47 Yeah that's another way, would probably be a hell lot easier than repacking the deb. Jul 13 17:54:31 this will not reflect in apt/HAM whatever package list of installed packages, and will possibly get nuked again on next installation/update of cssu Jul 13 17:54:57 but maybe that's a benefit of this method, rather than a downside Jul 13 17:56:08 or you ask kerio about dpkg-divert Jul 13 17:56:31 * kerio puts on his "Ask me about DPKG-DIVERT" pin Jul 13 17:57:21 psycho_oreos, findutils-gnu_4.4.2-1maemo8 and leafpad_0.8.171e-0maemo1 Jul 13 17:59:08 psycho_oreos: dpkg-divert --add /usr/bin/camera-ui /opt/nicocam_wat_r_u_doin_nicocam_pls_stahp Jul 13 17:59:10 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/camera-ui.launch Jul 13 17:59:24 er, yeah, the .launch Jul 13 17:59:29 for your convenience Jul 13 17:59:39 the latest nicocam has maemo-launcher support Jul 13 18:01:34 nice Jul 13 18:03:11 i think, at least Jul 13 18:03:34 so indeed you'd need a second symlink, from /usr/sbin/camera-ui.launch to either */stock-camera-ui.bin or */nicocam.bin, to make that simple camera-app chooser now Jul 13 18:04:16 while first symlink from usr/sbin/camera-ui to maemo-launcher stays unchanged Jul 13 18:05:45 err, you're sure this is in /usr/sbin? Jul 13 18:05:54 i said /usr/bin Jul 13 18:06:08 I might have introduced a oopsie when I uploaded and provided that file on cloud-7 Jul 13 18:06:19 :nod: Jul 13 18:06:38 IroN900:~# ll /usr/bin/*cam* Jul 13 18:06:40 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2012-12-26 15:55 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> maemo-invoker Jul 13 18:06:41 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 140268 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch Jul 13 18:06:43 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1308 2012-10-31 11:58 /usr/bin/camera-ui-set-priority Jul 13 18:06:51 my fault Jul 13 18:06:58 DocScrutinizer05: yeah heh. i don't know. maybe it is because the forum post on it is so old Jul 13 18:07:06 but for the life of me i can't seem to get pan working Jul 13 18:07:22 I got a segfault when trying to run that binary from SSH heh. Jul 13 18:07:39 psycho_oreos: you can't "run" it ;) Jul 13 18:07:44 that binary can't get run in shell Jul 13 18:08:02 you need,err... maemo-summoner? Jul 13 18:08:05 it's meant to get launched by maemo-laucher aka maemo-invoker Jul 13 18:08:18 or -summoner, whatever Jul 13 18:08:23 hmm otoh I ran it through the "normal" way, whilst recording just whatever is on my screen and moving around I get lags every few seconds. Jul 13 18:08:56 maemo-invoker does sound familiar, gonna try that lol. Yeah my bad, got a habit of just running as it is through the shell. Jul 13 18:08:59 psycho_oreos: stock camera binary? Jul 13 18:09:25 (for the lags that is) Jul 13 18:09:41 freemangordon, whatever DocScrutinizer05 provided. I'm still not sure what kerio said about diverting.. need to do some digging first. Jul 13 18:09:59 and i guess the power kernel doesn't have bridge support Jul 13 18:10:02 psycho_oreos: the problem is not that it stutters while recording, the problem is that the recorded video stutters Jul 13 18:10:04 what I provided is PR1.3 stock Jul 13 18:10:05 for iptables ? :-/ Jul 13 18:10:25 * Macer bangs his head Jul 13 18:10:30 heh Jul 13 18:10:36 Macer: the latest power kernel supports bridging Jul 13 18:10:37 freemangordon, yup that happened as a result, stuttered video recording, stuttered video playback (through osso-mediaplayer) Jul 13 18:10:45 you just need a brctl, which is included in busybox-power Jul 13 18:10:51 and the latest bluez, or you'll go mad Jul 13 18:10:57 kerio: i have busybox-power installed Jul 13 18:10:58 psycho_oreos: so, before making conclusions, make sure you've watched the video on your PC, just in case Jul 13 18:10:59 it's on luf's archive Jul 13 18:11:04 which kernel-power? Jul 13 18:11:11 50 i believe Jul 13 18:11:16 not the latest Jul 13 18:11:20 FAR from being the latest Jul 13 18:11:23 is the latest on devel? Jul 13 18:11:34 afaik, yes Jul 13 18:11:34 Macer: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ Jul 13 18:11:36 freemangordon, deleted the video lol. Trying again (this time I'm going to try maemo-invoker instead) Jul 13 18:11:48 install some of those things Jul 13 18:11:52 there's bridge-utils too Jul 13 18:11:54 which i forgot Jul 13 18:11:56 psycho_oreos: wait Jul 13 18:12:13 you should have camera-ui and camera-ui launch in /usr/bin Jul 13 18:12:14 ok Jul 13 18:12:14 then i don't quite know how to *start* pan from the n900 Jul 13 18:12:21 but i can definetely start it from my laptop Jul 13 18:12:31 heh Jul 13 18:12:39 psycho_oreos: just run camera-ui (which is a symlink to maemo-launcher) Jul 13 18:12:40 kerio: so you are using pan to connect? Jul 13 18:12:48 i'm telling you how to establish a connection Jul 13 18:12:54 install those things, then configure a NAP Jul 13 18:12:58 psycho_oreos: you also can't simply start that binary as a camera, while the other one is already preloaded in background (not sure if it is or not) Jul 13 18:13:00 in /etc/bluetooth/network.conf Jul 13 18:13:01 ah ok Jul 13 18:13:07 freemangordon, I've placed camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin. Renamed my cssu version of camera-ui.launch as camera-ui.launch.cssu. Made it executable as well via chmod. Jul 13 18:13:16 kerio: thanks. i'll start on it in a minute Jul 13 18:13:16 DocScrutinizer05: :nod:, it registers DBUS service iirc Jul 13 18:13:20 once you can ping from both sides, you can do the usual thing to share an internet connection Jul 13 18:13:22 yep Jul 13 18:13:38 psycho_oreos: then do killall camera-ui Jul 13 18:13:50 i'm looking for the newer power kernel Jul 13 18:14:00 making sure you have camera-ui.launch in /usr/bin Jul 13 18:14:01 DocScrutinizer05, yeah I found out through maemo-invoker, it dies lol. Alright going through normal method, bit annoyed how I can't see any useful output if going through normal way. Jul 13 18:14:23 freemangordon, so do killall camera-ui before running camera normally right? Jul 13 18:14:25 psycho_oreos: and make sure you do that as user, not as root Jul 13 18:14:26 Macer: kp52 is on merlin's extras-devel i guess Jul 13 18:14:33 not sure if rmo's extras-devel was reverted Jul 13 18:14:42 but i doubt it Jul 13 18:14:46 psycho_oreos: I suggest a rebot, just to be on safe side of fence Jul 13 18:14:52 reboot even Jul 13 18:14:55 psycho_oreos: yep, assuming you have the correct binary in the correct place Jul 13 18:15:02 or reboot Jul 13 18:15:17 kerio: apparently not Jul 13 18:15:18 heh Jul 13 18:15:34 Mm not too keen on reboots lol. I just did killall camera-ui as user:users. Jul 13 18:15:37 maemo.org extras-devel has 50 Jul 13 18:16:48 kerio: reverted? Jul 13 18:17:06 idk, restored from some old-as-shit backup for some weird reason Jul 13 18:17:23 i don't even know if kp50 is even still there Jul 13 18:17:26 kerio: tried the new -thumb? Jul 13 18:17:33 what's the new thumb? Jul 13 18:17:40 cssu-thumb Jul 13 18:17:47 what's new? Jul 13 18:17:58 tracker, for instance Jul 13 18:18:06 OH MY GOD Jul 13 18:18:08 ok. i just enabled merlin's repo Jul 13 18:18:10 I WANT YOUR BABIES Jul 13 18:18:11 :-/ Jul 13 18:18:21 omg omg omg omg omg Jul 13 18:18:22 new packages Jul 13 18:18:25 loads of new packages Jul 13 18:18:31 if it mentions tracker i sure for god hope you mean you kill it! Jul 13 18:18:32 :D Jul 13 18:18:44 lol Jul 13 18:18:46 lol Jul 13 18:18:51 ALL the thumbs Jul 13 18:19:04 neat, new h-d? Jul 13 18:19:24 and hildon and hildon-thumbnailer Jul 13 18:19:33 50% more thumb for each thumb Jul 13 18:19:43 hm Jul 13 18:19:45 There's minor lags with the video, one major lag happened around 10-11 seconds of the recorded video. At the same time when the video recording was being undertaken I did notice the device did lag. Jul 13 18:20:08 * Macer looks around for kp52 Jul 13 18:20:16 * Macer pokes his n900 with a stick Jul 13 18:20:31 I　think Pali has kp52 in his repo plus a few other nice tools. Jul 13 18:20:50 Macer: kp52 should be in extras-devel Jul 13 18:20:53 wow... quite the decentralization there huh? Jul 13 18:20:55 psycho_oreos: is that "usual" general system lag? Jul 13 18:20:56 it's on extras-devel too i swear Jul 13 18:20:59 Macer: seriously Jul 13 18:21:13 pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy kernel-power` please Jul 13 18:21:16 psycho_oreos: device lagging is pretty normal IMO while recoding video Jul 13 18:21:16 freemangordon: it is not. i have extras-devel enabled Jul 13 18:21:28 DocScrutinizer05, that's the question in which I'm not sure. I could try recording again and this time I'm going to have htop running on my laptop's screen. Jul 13 18:21:34 Macer: what distribution, fremantle or fremantle-pr1.3 Jul 13 18:21:37 ? Jul 13 18:21:51 you could try to stop or kill trackerd Jul 13 18:21:57 freemangordon, true, then again I'll give one more poke with htop on. Jul 13 18:22:04 and stinky relatives Jul 13 18:22:14 lol Jul 13 18:22:17 see Jul 13 18:22:17 DocScrutinizer05: won't help, you need to pause it ;) Jul 13 18:22:22 i have merlin's repo enabled Jul 13 18:22:25 and extras-devel Jul 13 18:22:28 which merlin's repo? Jul 13 18:22:29 and i still get 50 Jul 13 18:22:30 hh Jul 13 18:22:41 psycho_oreos: what's the size of your eventsdb? Jul 13 18:22:45 i'm talking about extras-devel.merlin1991.at Jul 13 18:23:08 hm Jul 13 18:23:10 what the FUCK Jul 13 18:23:17 freemangordon: extras-devel only has 51r1 Jul 13 18:23:19 DocScrutinizer05, err not sure what you mean. du -h /etc/events.d? Jul 13 18:23:20 the rmo one Jul 13 18:23:27 on extras-devel-light, there's kp52 Jul 13 18:23:29 oh Jul 13 18:23:39 DocScrutinizer05: what the fuck Jul 13 18:23:41 Pali: what the fuck Jul 13 18:23:49 all of my whats Jul 13 18:24:00 freemangordon: phone reported booting Jul 13 18:24:12 psy ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/* Jul 13 18:24:18 psycho_oreos: ^^^ Jul 13 18:24:37 DocScrutinizer05: did you guys restore something in repository.? Jul 13 18:24:37 time to upgrade thumbs Jul 13 18:24:39 lol Jul 13 18:24:51 sigh Jul 13 18:24:59 kerio: ask merlin1991 Jul 13 18:25:05 kerio: i guess that explains why i was having such a rough go at it Jul 13 18:25:15 awesome, conflicting pkgs Jul 13 18:25:27 the repos are a mess heh Jul 13 18:25:37 Lava_Croft: which packages? Jul 13 18:25:52 thumbnailer Jul 13 18:25:55 Dr. Scrutinizer or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Uninstall the Metapackage Jul 13 18:26:11 Lava_Croft: what? Jul 13 18:26:11 hildon-thumbnailer, for sake of exactness Jul 13 18:26:25 kernel-power: Installed: 1:2.6.28-10power50 Candidate: 1:2.6.28-10power50 Jul 13 18:26:29 HAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail Jul 13 18:26:33 Lava_Croft: what do you use to upgrade? Jul 13 18:26:51 2026 Lava_Croft : HAM says it conflicts with hildon-thumbnail Jul 13 18:27:05 maybe i will just download a kernel img or something from somewhere later Jul 13 18:27:19 Lava_Croft: makes no sense, as it INSTALLS hildon-thumbnailer Jul 13 18:27:30 heh Jul 13 18:27:33 DocScrutinizer05, 40k on el.db, 576k on el-v1-before-restore.db and 696k on el-v1.db Jul 13 18:27:36 Macer: deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free Jul 13 18:27:37 i cant help it:< Jul 13 18:27:42 the cool repository for cool people Jul 13 18:27:46 Macer: when you enable extras-devel.merlin1991.at then you want to disbale extras-devel Jul 13 18:28:00 psycho_oreos: that's "sane" Jul 13 18:28:03 DocScrutinizer05: mmh, it shouldn't take priority Jul 13 18:28:12 Lava_Croft: you can, you have to remember what did you do on your device and revert it :) Jul 13 18:28:22 DocScrutinizer05: why does merlin have pkgs that maemo.org doesn't? Jul 13 18:28:33 Also finished recording with htop running through SSH, it seems to report camera-ui taking some of the process. There's usage well beyond 30% not even reported by htop (hmph). Jul 13 18:28:37 freemangordon: i did nothing to hildon-thumbnailer Jul 13 18:28:43 because of maemo.org repo-management is fubar Jul 13 18:28:49 ah ok Jul 13 18:28:51 its just a device with cssu Jul 13 18:28:55 recently flashed Jul 13 18:29:00 cssu-thumb* Jul 13 18:29:05 no weird stuff is done to it Jul 13 18:29:12 and certainly not to hildon-thumbnail Jul 13 18:29:13 and autobuilder as well, basically Jul 13 18:29:37 Macer: extras-devel-light is not a mirror, it's replicated Jul 13 18:29:40 Lava_Croft: may I have your hildon-thumbnailer version? Jul 13 18:29:44 but it only replicates newer versions Jul 13 18:29:49 freemangordon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPEvXu5CUAA-QB8.png:large Jul 13 18:29:56 dmesg has some interestsing information:　[10382.485900] ***** DSPMMU FAULT ***** IRQStatus 0x2 Jul 13 18:30:04 kp52 *was* on repository.maemo.org/extras-devel some time in the past Jul 13 18:30:24 freemangordon: bluetooth devices in the file manager are neat! Jul 13 18:30:32 psycho_oreos: with stock cam? Jul 13 18:30:51 Lava_Croft: make sure to "Refresh" from the HAM's menu Jul 13 18:31:15 freemangordon: thats the only way to get it to update, ever Jul 13 18:31:16 freemangordon, hard to tell :/ if only I can interpret what that time/date means in paranthesis. Jul 13 18:31:18 psycho_oreos: that's the cultprit I'd say Jul 13 18:32:04 DocScrutinizer05, only happened once in my log. Now I just need to find out how to interpret the date/time to see if I was using camera-ui (stock version) at the time or not. Jul 13 18:32:40 it's probably seconds since boot Jul 13 18:32:55 Lava_Croft: hmm, maybe I screwed dependencies somehow, lemme check Jul 13 18:33:43 freemangordon: it's because its such a weird thing, hildon-thumbnail isnt exactly a pkg known for all of the tweaks Jul 13 18:33:46 or whatever Jul 13 18:33:57 so chances that any user screwed that up dont seem large Jul 13 18:34:00 DocScrutinizer05, it is :/ not very useful. I'm going to pastebin the log and I'll paste the link about that weird timestamp format. Jul 13 18:34:37 psycho_oreos: I can't help on that Jul 13 18:34:56 http://privatepaste.com/9a0e1744c3 and http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/dmesg_timestamt_format/ Jul 13 18:35:20 Yeah :/ blah! I'll need to setup that format properly grrr... >:/ Jul 13 18:35:26 psycho_oreos: open/close your slider while looking at the watch, then check timestamp of that event in dmesg Jul 13 18:35:45 the rest it math Jul 13 18:36:25 psycho_oreos: syslog has nicer timestamps Jul 13 18:36:25 Lava_Croft: yep, my fault, I forgot to add that to the metapackage :(. And seems HAM/apt is stupid and can't resolve the dependencies Jul 13 18:36:33 :-) Jul 13 18:37:08 METAPACKAGE Jul 13 18:37:13 :-S Jul 13 18:37:41 yay my N900 isbt broken Jul 13 18:37:48 isnt* Jul 13 18:37:54 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how a bunch of such brilliant hackers can cling to a concept like MP Jul 13 18:37:57 644 with slider in/out deducted from when the last of that message was printed. I think I do have syslog, not sure though. Jul 13 18:38:27 DocScrutinizer05: yep, libhildon1 depends on hildon-thumbnail thumb version, it is in the repo. the result is ^^^ :( Jul 13 18:39:07 Lava_Croft: did you upgrade with apt-get? Jul 13 18:39:28 no Jul 13 18:39:45 you ever considered updating with osso-backup app restore? Jul 13 18:40:26 the first and last time i did that it made N900 angry Jul 13 18:41:55 shit, libhildon1 is not upgraded too :( Jul 13 18:42:05 ok, going to make a new -mp Jul 13 18:43:06 didnt you test it: :) Jul 13 18:43:14 Lava_Croft: I did Jul 13 18:43:32 aw Jul 13 18:43:34 but seems my test procedure isn't the best around :D Jul 13 18:43:38 :) Jul 13 18:44:03 i should use my other N900 for these things, but thats just boring Jul 13 18:44:21 DocScrutinizer05, looks like I'm able to replicate that DSP MMU error :) I was dumping dmesg every so often. I got errors in regards to memory_sync_page and proc_memory_sync. After I finished recording I ran osso-mediaplayer, selected the newly created video and at the same time closed camera lens. Bingo DSP MMU fault! Jul 13 18:44:51 Lava_Croft: I tested on 2 devices, installed packages by hand on my devel device, to be sure it won;t break. and upgraded via HAM on my everyday device Jul 13 18:44:59 odd Jul 13 18:45:28 Lava_Croft: but didn't checked if everything got updated on my everyday device Jul 13 18:45:35 my fault Jul 13 18:45:42 lesson learned! :D Jul 13 18:45:55 yeah Jul 13 18:46:05 zero harm done too Jul 13 18:46:11 yep Jul 13 18:46:20 good old ham, right Jul 13 18:46:29 * Lava_Croft coughs Jul 13 18:46:46 psycho_oreos: yes, sounds familiar Jul 13 18:47:45 DocScrutinizer05, http://privatepaste.com/b44f524aca that is in dmesg's words :D Jul 13 18:47:59 ok Jul 13 18:48:04 got power updated to 52 Jul 13 18:48:07 heh.. lets see what happens Jul 13 18:48:14 * Macer reboots Jul 13 18:49:13 so what is the point of pc-connectivity? Jul 13 18:49:18 if it doesn't work? heh Jul 13 18:51:23 OMAP mailbox, HAH Jul 13 18:54:53 Lava_Croft: should be fixed, please test Jul 13 18:55:41 yeah I have no clue what omap mailbox is but if that's what you wanted I guess you now have two affected users :) Jul 13 18:56:20 this is what is used for communication between CPU and DSP (omap mailbox) Jul 13 18:57:17 psycho_oreos: are you on stock DSP drivers? no 720p? Jul 13 18:58:16 freemangordon, ahh. I think the DSP drivers are stock, if you're talking about the one under lib/dsp. Definitely no 720p Jul 13 18:58:29 psycho_oreos: yep Jul 13 18:58:32 * psycho_oreos personally doesn't like to do overclocking. Jul 13 18:59:09 freemangordon: moment Jul 13 18:59:21 Do you guys have the same issue? aptitude install maesynth --> python-pygame: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) which is a virtual package. Jul 13 18:59:32 * Macer facepalms Jul 13 18:59:36 ok.. time out again Jul 13 18:59:37 psycho_oreos: hmm? you don;t need to OC Jul 13 18:59:40 but on the brighter side brctl works Jul 13 18:59:41 heh Jul 13 18:59:58 kerio: i'll install bluez in a minute and edit the conf like you said Jul 13 19:00:39 psycho_oreos: i meant - you can install Harm DSP codecs without OC and you'll have lot more supported video formats Jul 13 19:01:00 freemangordon, *shrugs* I've read somewhere on (probably old thread) tmo that DSP needed overclocking for 720p support. Jul 13 19:01:09 Ahh! now that I didn't know. Jul 13 19:01:09 psycho_oreos: yes Jul 13 19:01:32 but only for 720p ;) Jul 13 19:01:43 for lower resolutions you don;t need to OC Jul 13 19:02:03 oh, by the way Jul 13 19:02:09 the only way to install ovi maps nowadays is by hand? Jul 13 19:02:19 the maps itself, that is Jul 13 19:02:41 freemangordon: it installs Jul 13 19:02:44 freemangordon, yeah I just intend to leave it as it is. Trying to somehow preserve the device/s for as long as I can. Jul 13 19:03:21 Lava_Croft: There are "installable" maps? Here it just downloads map data as needed, no offline caching Jul 13 19:03:35 you could always preload the maps via PC Suite/Ovi Suite Jul 13 19:03:39 err, no pre-loading for offline use, i meant. Jul 13 19:03:39 or copy them over by hand Jul 13 19:03:45 I see Jul 13 19:03:56 but iirc the way its done has changed and it doesnt work anymore with pc/ovi/nokia suite Jul 13 19:04:06 it downloads them, but fails to actually install/preload them Jul 13 19:04:15 wondering if there's any other way by now Jul 13 19:04:50 n9 ovi maps client can preload maps from within the app itself, but not on the n900 :< Jul 13 19:04:58 psycho_oreos: mailbox is a fifo in ARM, for processes possibly running on different cores to exchange data Jul 13 19:05:32 or just what freemangordon said :-) Jul 13 19:06:27 so pc-connectivity-manager isn't even needed ? Jul 13 19:06:48 Macer: afaik it is FUBAR on fremantle Jul 13 19:07:10 could be wrong though, it was long time ago I tested it Jul 13 19:08:04 freemangordon: seems it worked Jul 13 19:08:08 ok. so all i really need is kp52, bluez from merlin, bridge-utils and to edit the /etc/bluetooth/network.conf Jul 13 19:08:12 and i should be able to use pan Jul 13 19:08:27 then i guess configure some routing in order for the tablet to actually connect? Jul 13 19:08:30 I think freemangordon is right Jul 13 19:08:53 the term utils in android suck tho :-/ completely stripped down Jul 13 19:09:04 pc-connectivity never been *ported* to fremantle Jul 13 19:09:21 terminal usage and android is a bad combo indeed Jul 13 19:09:57 DocScrutinizer05, yup I picked that up from freemangordon. Jul 13 19:10:02 Lava_Croft: yeah but i need it to ping Jul 13 19:10:05 and list interfaces Jul 13 19:10:08 and ifconfig is awful heh Jul 13 19:10:12 freemangordon, so I guess the case is now relevant? both Doc and myself have DSP MMU faults :D Jul 13 19:10:13 i don't even know what interface it uses for pan Jul 13 19:10:44 psycho_oreos: could you try the same sequence with the stock camera? Jul 13 19:10:54 I had a fair share of driver-coding for ARM mailbox, at st-e Jul 13 19:11:15 * Macer has been banging his head on a desk for hours trying to get this stupid android tablet to tether with his n900 Jul 13 19:11:18 heh Jul 13 19:12:17 freemangordon, err that was with the stock camera. I mean using DocScrutinizer05's camera-ui.launch and I did killall camera-ui (as user) as per requested. Jul 13 19:12:35 DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ Jul 13 19:12:49 PL320 Jul 13 19:13:05 I haven't tried CSSU's version of the camera-ui though. Jul 13 19:13:16 PrimeCell® Inter-Processor Communications Module (PL320) ... Jul 13 19:13:30 aka "mailbox" Jul 13 19:14:07 DocScrutinizer05: now, do you agree with my theory that this is not a problem with camera-ui, rather buggy DSPBIOS or codecs Jul 13 19:14:16 freemangordon: ok with me, it shows that the stuttering is fairly reproducable Jul 13 19:14:45 I never doubted that it's related to DSP Jul 13 19:15:06 DocScrutinizer05: and I've never seen those as I use Harm DSP codec nodes Jul 13 19:15:17 mhm Jul 13 19:15:40 makes sense Jul 13 19:15:51 DocScrutinizer05: sure, my point is that we have the same behaviour with both stock and nikocam Jul 13 19:15:58 possibly the blobs in HARM are a newer version Jul 13 19:16:07 for sure they are :) Jul 13 19:16:33 otoh the old ones *might* have workarounds for SiErr in 3530 Jul 13 19:16:52 though the probability is low Jul 13 19:16:55 3530? Jul 13 19:17:15 why is that? Jul 13 19:17:17 OMAP3530? Jul 13 19:17:25 hmm don;t we have 3430? Jul 13 19:17:30 oh, well Jul 13 19:17:35 I think we have a 3530 Jul 13 19:17:38 no Jul 13 19:17:42 it is 3430 Jul 13 19:17:47 but the difference is marginal Jul 13 19:18:04 prolly one is HS while the other is not Jul 13 19:18:07 yep, GSM support one of them Jul 13 19:18:12 that one too Jul 13 19:18:20 or one is aftermarket while other is for the big guys Jul 13 19:18:25 yep Jul 13 19:18:45 ok Jul 13 19:18:59 the pkg on merlin's site doesn't have a /etc/bluetooth/network.conf Jul 13 19:19:07 is there some more documentation on configuring pan somewhere? Jul 13 19:19:13 that explains how the network.conf looks? Jul 13 19:19:57 (mailbox) http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0306b/CHDGECJI.html Jul 13 19:21:27 even http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0306b/CHDGECJI.html Jul 13 19:21:32 the bluez page refers to pand Jul 13 19:21:35 is that not necessary? Jul 13 19:21:53 fsck u arm.com Jul 13 19:23:17 http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.subset.primecell.interconnect/index.html#pl320 Jul 13 19:31:44 btw a funny detail about mailbox (well at least to me it been funny since I first seen this there): some of the channels are only accessable in secure context while others are accessable from both contexts Jul 13 19:33:57 well Jul 13 19:34:01 guess i'm getting closer to a solution Jul 13 19:34:07 i have all the networking devices there at least now :) Jul 13 19:34:08 lol Jul 13 19:34:29 but it appears as tho i need to create the bridge manually Jul 13 19:34:29 :-/ Jul 13 19:34:42 maybe i just don't fully understand the concept of how pan works Jul 13 19:34:50 and i should read up on its fundamentals to better understand it Jul 13 19:38:23 Macer: Are you PAN-handling? ;-) Jul 13 19:39:46 Macer: PAN-handling for cache? ;-) Jul 13 19:41:22 great Jul 13 19:41:23 lol Jul 13 19:41:34 now i'm getting service record not available Jul 13 19:41:56 i think i went backwards Jul 13 19:42:01 if i had a S4 this would just work lol Jul 13 19:42:40 so now i can't create bnep0 Jul 13 19:42:41 :-/ Jul 13 19:42:45 this is proving too difficult Jul 13 19:43:05 * brolin_empey uses POTS and PANs instead of pots and pans. Jul 13 19:43:12 and with no real documentation other than some scattered unrelated to maemo bluez info i don't have much to work with Jul 13 19:43:21 blah. this sucks. Jul 13 19:44:51 * Macer facepalms Jul 13 19:45:04 where the hell did i lose the ability to make the bnep0 Jul 13 19:45:44 Hurray for still not even being fully dressed after noon on Saturday. :P Jul 13 19:46:29 great Jul 13 19:46:37 now all i have for a profule is "media audio" on the android tablet Jul 13 19:46:47 omg fuck this i need a break. i doubt i'll ever get this working Jul 13 19:58:50 Macer: there's a setting in network.conf to specify a script to run when setting up the bridge Jul 13 19:58:56 the bridge should be created automatically though Jul 13 19:59:25 kerio: after installing those pkgs from merlin's repo i no longer see the ability to connect via pan from the tablet Jul 13 19:59:29 as though the profile is gone Jul 13 19:59:33 hmm Jul 13 19:59:42 by any chance, is "network" in the disabled modules in main.conf? Jul 13 20:00:34 i don't even see the owrd "network" in the main.conf Jul 13 20:00:42 you're talking about /etc/bluetooth/main.conf correct? Jul 13 20:00:45 yeah Jul 13 20:00:55 also, stop and start bluetooth i guess Jul 13 20:01:23 oh, and bnep0 shouldn't be the bridge name Jul 13 20:01:28 no Jul 13 20:01:35 because it's the single interface that gets created automatically on connection Jul 13 20:01:41 i'm guessing bnep0 is created by the tablet Jul 13 20:01:41 yeah Jul 13 20:01:47 the bridge name is pan1 Jul 13 20:01:55 ok Jul 13 20:01:59 stop bluetooth, start bluetooth Jul 13 20:02:04 do you see a pan1 interface in ifconfig -a? Jul 13 20:02:04 but like i said. the profile isn't showing up anymore Jul 13 20:02:09 no Jul 13 20:02:12 i had to create it manually Jul 13 20:02:18 can you pastebin your network.conf? Jul 13 20:02:27 i don't have one... i installed the deb Jul 13 20:02:31 but there is no network.conf Jul 13 20:02:32 ._. Jul 13 20:02:35 :-/ Jul 13 20:02:39 yeah i was a bit confused about that too Jul 13 20:02:40 then why do you expect for it to be one? Jul 13 20:02:44 create it! Jul 13 20:02:49 [NAP Role] Jul 13 20:02:53 i was looking fr an example heh Jul 13 20:02:54 Interface=btnap Jul 13 20:02:58 those two lines Jul 13 20:03:20 whatever you put there in btnap is going to be the bridge Jul 13 20:03:36 you're supposed to leave the bnep* interfaces alone, they're going to be created automagically Jul 13 20:03:51 then configure your bridge interface Jul 13 20:03:58 check with brctl if it exists once you restart bluetoothd Jul 13 20:03:59 brolin_empey: well, it's 22:03 here, but that's about the only difference Jul 13 20:04:04 with sudo stop bluetooth && sudo start bluetooth Jul 13 20:04:28 unknown job bluetooth Jul 13 20:04:29 wth? Jul 13 20:04:34 bluetoothd? Jul 13 20:04:48 oh ok Jul 13 20:05:17 android still doesn't see the pan profiile.. but let me repair Jul 13 20:05:21 re-pair Jul 13 20:05:21 heh Jul 13 20:05:31 * DocScrutinizer05 should stop looking at http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia Jul 13 20:05:42 DocScrutinizer05: start looking at porn instead! Jul 13 20:05:45 it's much more relaxing Jul 13 20:05:47 each time I look there I go WTF?! Jul 13 20:06:04 otoh, some flavours of porn will also make you go WTF?! Jul 13 20:06:13 nope Jul 13 20:06:19 android still doesn't see the pan profile on the n900 Jul 13 20:06:21 what do you mean by nope? :( Jul 13 20:06:22 it did earlier :-/ Jul 13 20:06:24 that's silly Jul 13 20:06:33 can you pastebin main.conf and network.conf? Jul 13 20:06:37 when i pair it it doesn't give the option to "use this device's internet connection" Jul 13 20:06:46 are you sure that android wants PAN and not DUN? Jul 13 20:06:55 positive Jul 13 20:07:03 android doesn't support dun :-/ Jul 13 20:07:06 otherwise i'd be done by now Jul 13 20:07:09 dun works fine on the n900 heh Jul 13 20:07:13 and does it want a NAP or a GN? Jul 13 20:07:28 i'm pretty sure NAP.. but not positive about that much Jul 13 20:07:40 anyway, pastebin your bluetooth configuration files Jul 13 20:07:56 and are you sure that you installed all the appropriate updated bluez packages from luf's site? Jul 13 20:08:26 i installed libbluetooth, bluez, bridge utils Jul 13 20:08:31 and test Jul 13 20:08:46 i figured the dbg packages were debug packages Jul 13 20:08:55 yeah Jul 13 20:09:07 can you show me the section of your main.conf related to networking? Jul 13 20:09:12 i don't see networking anywhere in the main.conf i have Jul 13 20:10:14 cssu needs a paste script ;) Jul 13 20:10:24 so i could just type paste whatever.conf Jul 13 20:10:29 and it will paste it heh Jul 13 20:11:18 but yeah. i don't have anything that enables/disables bt networking in main.conf Jul 13 20:18:53 some midgard porn: write(18, "!\1\0\0\3SELECT record_extension.value AS midgard_collector_key FROM record_extension WHERE record_extension.parent_guid = '6d229d0a6b0911df9808195056454c254c25' AND record_extension.domain = 'org.imc.vcard:email' AND record_extension.sitegroup IN (0, 1) AND record_extension.metadata_deleted = 0", 293) = 293 Jul 13 20:19:08 Macer: there shouldn't be anything, yeah Jul 13 20:19:29 Macer: ask luf too, he knows this stuff Jul 13 20:19:33 heh Jul 13 20:19:45 should there be a /etc/bluetooth/network.service Jul 13 20:19:58 http://it-result.me/bluetooth-network-on-linux/ Jul 13 20:20:06 there shouldn't Jul 13 20:20:06 at least I now know *exactly* what apache2/php is doing since 10 CPU minutes Jul 13 20:20:08 but whatever Jul 13 20:20:31 that sounds like a systemd thing Jul 13 20:20:33 that .service file Jul 13 20:20:36 we don't like that Jul 13 20:20:56 ...which translates to ~100 minutes in real time Jul 13 20:21:39 heh Jul 13 20:21:40 ok Jul 13 20:21:44 well.. let me try again Jul 13 20:22:27 DocScrutinizer05: 6 cpus? Jul 13 20:22:38 hmm? Jul 13 20:23:16 29032 19:26:25 www-data S ? 00:15:19 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start Jul 13 20:23:39 so it's actually only 60min real time Jul 13 20:23:45 oh Jul 13 20:23:46 it's back Jul 13 20:23:49 but 15 CPU time Jul 13 20:23:59 kerio: Interface=pan1 Jul 13 20:24:01 heh Jul 13 20:24:05 i geuss the = is important ;) Jul 13 20:24:14 Macer: >:( Jul 13 20:24:37 hm Jul 13 20:25:14 ok Jul 13 20:25:18 pan1 created itself this time heh Jul 13 20:25:24 as did bnep0 Jul 13 20:25:46 but i don't understand what i do past that point Jul 13 20:26:00 how do i get bnep0/gprs0 to route using pan1? Jul 13 20:26:49 also. there are no methods to create an ip on the android tablet. does that mean i need to use some sort of dhcpd on the n900? Jul 13 20:27:41 bnep0 doesn't exist Jul 13 20:27:50 android is fucking horrible, holy fuck Jul 13 20:28:02 haha Jul 13 20:28:05 it exists on the n900 Jul 13 20:28:12 and the tablet appears as tho it is connected via bt Jul 13 20:28:17 just follow any howto on how to NAT a connection with linux Jul 13 20:28:26 where's that located? Jul 13 20:28:33 on the internets Jul 13 20:28:37 lol Jul 13 20:28:40 oh Jul 13 20:28:44 it's just a bunch of iptables dark magic at this point Jul 13 20:28:45 you said any Jul 13 20:28:51 heh... i guess so Jul 13 20:28:52 kerio, amen. Jul 13 20:29:06 what sucks are the damn tablet userland utils in the console Jul 13 20:29:07 the n900's routing table shouldn't change i guess Jul 13 20:29:08 suck Jul 13 20:29:54 ah well.. at least it is seeing the ability to use pan again Jul 13 20:29:55 heh Jul 13 20:29:57 progress Jul 13 20:30:11 i still don't understan what bnep0 is tho Jul 13 20:30:24 does its ip on the n900 affect the ip on the tablet? Jul 13 20:30:32 bnep0 is a "virtual" point-to-point connection Jul 13 20:30:36 ie: is it just a bt tunnel acting as a physical connection? Jul 13 20:30:39 yep Jul 13 20:30:43 but it's bridged Jul 13 20:30:53 so what would be necessary on the client then? Jul 13 20:30:58 bnep0 doesn't have an ip? Jul 13 20:31:02 every PANU will get a bnep* interface, and all of them are bridged into your pan interface Jul 13 20:31:04 is it just a matter of giving it an ip and setting a gw? Jul 13 20:31:04 nope Jul 13 20:31:19 * Macer is confused heh Jul 13 20:32:19 the ip that pan1 has is the n900's ip Jul 13 20:32:34 the ip that your android tablet has is a matter of the android tabler Jul 13 20:32:36 tablet Jul 13 20:32:49 configure that one, perhaps it *requires* a dhcp Jul 13 20:32:53 but that sounds really silly, even for android Jul 13 20:33:04 check "advanced settings" or something Jul 13 20:33:08 yeah that's what sucks Jul 13 20:33:11 there you just set ip, gateway and dns Jul 13 20:33:12 there is no way to configure it lol Jul 13 20:33:14 lol Jul 13 20:33:18 sucks2beu Jul 13 20:33:20 that's why i am lost Jul 13 20:33:22 :-P Jul 13 20:33:31 can't you set up some sort of dhcpd on the n900? Jul 13 20:33:32 fwiw, dnsmasq can act as a dhcp/dns combo Jul 13 20:33:38 hm Jul 13 20:33:42 and i think that busybox-power has a dhcpd Jul 13 20:34:29 yeah but it would have to be specific to what? Jul 13 20:34:41 what's the subject of this phrase? Jul 13 20:34:41 which interface would i set it up for? Jul 13 20:34:52 as i said multiple times Jul 13 20:34:55 bnep* doesn't exist Jul 13 20:34:58 it's a figment of your imagination Jul 13 20:35:00 your n900 has pan1 Jul 13 20:35:06 ah ok. so everything is pan1 Jul 13 20:35:09 that's the network interface you're looking for Jul 13 20:35:13 move along Jul 13 20:35:14 ah okk Jul 13 20:35:33 so just get dhcpd working on pan1 and android should be able to get the info it needs Jul 13 20:35:37 yeah Jul 13 20:35:51 because the routing table seems ok Jul 13 20:36:20 what a pain heh Jul 13 20:36:33 well.. maybe later if i do get this working i can update some wiki on it Jul 13 20:36:52 what a... Jul 13 20:36:59 (•_•) Jul 13 20:37:03 ( •_•)>⌐■-■ Jul 13 20:37:06 heh Jul 13 20:37:08 PAN Jul 13 20:37:10 (⌐■_■) Jul 13 20:38:49 well.. i will work on setting up the dhcp stuff in a bit Jul 13 20:39:01 but i don't even know if android tries to connect via dhcp.. i guess it would have to since there is only 1 option Jul 13 20:39:06 "use internet connection" Jul 13 20:39:07 heh Jul 13 20:39:18 and the ifconfig is so limited that it won't even list all the interfaces Jul 13 20:39:22 it's like completely stripped down Jul 13 20:41:30 i meant like in the GUI Jul 13 20:41:53 i know Jul 13 20:41:56 the gui doesn't have shit for it Jul 13 20:42:04 it just has a checkbox under the bt profiles Jul 13 20:42:10 "use this device's internet connection" Jul 13 20:42:11 on off Jul 13 20:42:12 heh Jul 13 20:42:14 network configuration or something? Jul 13 20:42:24 i'll look for more but i don't think it has it Jul 13 20:42:31 kerio: http://free.bridal-shower-themes.com/img/i/f/if-you-can-read-this-you-really-need-to-get-laid_2.jpg Jul 13 20:42:32 it sounds really weird Jul 13 20:42:32 i think it requires dhcp Jul 13 20:43:07 brolin_empey: she's wearing that fucking shirt Jul 13 20:45:03 kerio: Are you implying that she herself needs to get laid? Jul 13 20:45:13 maybe! Jul 13 21:01:10 how would I attach gdb to a stale process to find out about why and where it stalled? Jul 13 21:01:49 I think there's a command "bt" as in BackTrace in gdb? Jul 13 21:02:52 ugh, no gdb on that machine Jul 13 21:05:22 gdb apache2 22534 Jul 13 21:05:24 bt Jul 13 21:05:26 ? Jul 13 21:11:30 mhm, at least i'd think it hangs in php5: http://privatepaste.com/7a88cb4fb1 Jul 13 21:12:34 ~lart maintainers for stripping Jul 13 21:12:34 * infobot changes maintainers's permissions to 0777 and tells the world for stripping Jul 13 21:20:15 kerio: the term "fucking shirt" gets a whole new meaning ;-P Jul 13 21:21:25 brolin_empey: a pity that the URL gives it aaway Jul 13 21:29:28 (pc-connectivity-manager) dunno if I said it before, but look at the mess @ http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ Jul 13 21:31:51 particularly 2011-12-02 22:47 and 2012-12-29 04:23 Jul 13 21:53:22 well that sucks Jul 13 21:53:33 thought i found a wpa_supplicant that would work for adhoc on my tf101 Jul 13 21:53:39 guess not. wifi doesn't even try to turn on lol Jul 13 22:49:26 DocScrutinizer05: if you install -dbg packages you'll have a meaningful backtrace Jul 13 22:49:43 Does anyone here have experience using a Nokia N900 as an OBD-II scanner? Jul 13 22:50:53 DocScrutinizer05: I guess you can detach from the process, install apache2-dbg, php-dbg(or whatever) and libc6-dbg Jul 13 22:51:12 and then attach again Jul 13 22:51:30 thanks, will try Jul 13 22:51:41 (sure I can detach :-D ) Jul 13 22:52:39 freemangordon: I guess I still need to point gdb to the symbol files? Jul 13 22:52:52 DocScrutinizer05: no Jul 13 22:52:57 \o/ Jul 13 22:53:11 they'll be installed in /usr/lib/debug/... and gdb knows that Jul 13 22:55:25 MEH! http://privatepaste.com/0377015011 Jul 13 22:56:18 hmmm http://privatepaste.com/70b7715c7e Jul 13 22:56:25 DocScrutinizer05: symbols are usually in $PACKAGE-dbg Jul 13 22:57:06 so you'd better dpkg -l | grep apache and append -dbg to that Jul 13 22:57:51 * brolin_empey wants to replace a Palm Treo 755P running a VAD VAG application with his Nokia N900 but he does not want to have to sidetrack himself to prepare a cross-build environment to build software for ARM (GNU/)Linux from source. Jul 13 22:58:40 brolin_empey: there is a piece of SW called PyOBD Jul 13 22:58:53 byt I don;t know how functional it is Jul 13 22:59:00 *but Jul 13 22:59:01 http://privatepaste.com/a945d63ee1 Jul 13 22:59:25 DocScrutinizer05: try to apt-get install apache2-dbg Jul 13 22:59:46 or apache2.2-bin-dbg Jul 13 22:59:54 E: Unable to locate package apache2-dbg Jul 13 23:00:00 shit Jul 13 23:00:30 E: Unable to locate package apache2.2-bin-dbg Jul 13 23:00:31 E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'apache2.2-bin-dbg' Jul 13 23:01:03 freemangordon: Yes, I know of PyOBD but I have not (yet) tried it. Jul 13 23:01:15 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, maybe you miss some repo Jul 13 23:01:44 did someone see 'robbiethe1st'? Jul 13 23:01:51 that's a job for our sysops then Jul 13 23:02:09 ~seen robbiethe1st Jul 13 23:02:11 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-134-169.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 20h 11m 55s ago, saying: 'HtheB, can you give me your address(PM me)? Just want to take a look at what USPS wants to ship'. Jul 13 23:02:52 so he hasn't here since 3 days.... Jul 13 23:02:55 kinda worried Jul 13 23:02:59 DocScrutinizer05: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash Jul 13 23:03:31 "Debug Symbol Packages" Jul 13 23:06:56 yeah, not my cup of tea Jul 13 23:07:26 changing repositories for those VM is... tricky Jul 13 23:07:37 thanks anyway Jul 13 23:08:01 DocScrutinizer05: which machine is that? Jul 13 23:08:08 www Jul 13 23:08:46 thanks Jul 13 23:08:53 hmm? Jul 13 23:09:01 for the info :) Jul 13 23:09:05 (www) Jul 13 23:10:51 what's wrong with it? Jul 13 23:11:06 DocScrutinizer05: nothing Jul 13 23:11:17 DocScrutinizer05: I just said "thanks" :) Jul 13 23:12:11 ok, 16h maemo, time for some RL Jul 13 23:12:41 time for some sleep if you ask me. night Jul 13 23:13:11 well not entirely maemo, I also managed to get the events for the additional buttons of my MX Revolution mouse Jul 13 23:13:35 if only by xinput test-xi2 13 Jul 13 23:14:03 but at least they are *somewhere* on the system already Jul 13 23:14:43 jr@saturn:~> xinput get-button-map 13 Jul 13 23:14:45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Jul 13 23:15:43 jr@saturn:~> xinput list --short 13 Jul 13 23:15:44 Logitech MX Revolution Mouse id=13 [slave pointer (2)] Jul 13 23:17:08 now I just need to find out how to assign arbitrary keystrokes to particular mousebuttons Jul 13 23:18:23 since it seems apps like khotkeys and kde keymap utilities at large don't know about the input events that are generated by those extra mouse buttons Jul 13 23:26:13 HAH! http://marian.schedenig.name/2012/06/07/mapping-kde-actions-to-extra-mouse-buttons/ Jul 13 23:29:31 Does setting password using 'passwd' for root to access via ssh, make any problem for 'sudo gainroot' or not? Jul 14 00:09:22 amin007110, not that I'm aware of, using sudo requires user passwd not root passwd. Jul 14 00:10:55 ok Jul 14 00:16:19 Which rsync switches should i use while backing up n900's /home in ssh? Does 'rsync -rva' enough or what? Jul 14 00:18:05 Or better to use scp? Jul 14 00:37:38 rsync is faster but scp is secure. Each usecase has its own benefits and drawbacks. Jul 14 00:53:30 psycho_oreos: rsync can be used over ssh. Jul 14 00:54:03 rsync also shold compare a files idk if scp do that too Jul 14 00:54:09 should* Jul 14 00:54:44 brolin_empey, that doesn't make rsync any faster :P. If needed to make a case, one can also use sshfs so they can then use regular tools such as cp/mv. Jul 14 00:55:08 yep rsync is faster compresion on the fly Jul 14 00:56:48 disadventage sshfs is in my opinion only that if wifi conn interrupted need to mount in other location folder... but this is only my opinion... Jul 14 00:58:37 sshfs ultimately relies on ssh for stream encryption. It just makes the poor little N900 encrypt as each data is to be sent, etc. I have copied data with sshfs before and I have also seen the device randomly rebooting when trying to copy several files over ssh. Jul 14 00:59:02 * brolin_empey usually uses rsync over ssh. Jul 14 01:00:42 me using rsync -r -v --progress -c -l -H --partial -z -i local_location user@ip:remote_location Jul 14 01:01:06 but dont know if its correct or not :p Jul 14 01:01:44 that if you want to try use with carefull... Jul 14 01:04:57 is avaible grsync if good remember but for me dont work correctly... if good remember dont asking me for ssh password... Jul 14 01:09:01 Hmmmm... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 14 03:00:00 2013