**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 16 02:59:58 2013 Jul 16 08:45:25 hi Jul 16 08:45:34 I got new lcd-panel for my n900 Jul 16 08:46:01 but now noticed that I have similar issue like here -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75769 Jul 16 08:46:03 \o/ Jul 16 08:46:10 /o\ Jul 16 08:46:11 touch screen not working.. Jul 16 08:46:45 cut little bit of from that broken cable but maybe it can't still get proper connection.. Jul 16 08:47:32 can that cable be replaced or should I buy new touch screen? :F Jul 16 08:49:13 Vibe, you should buy a new one. :) and test it before use. some touch panels does not work. Jul 16 08:50:00 ok Jul 16 08:50:09 fault can't be in lcd-panel? Jul 16 08:51:11 "touch digitizer" works seperately, i think. Jul 16 08:51:28 if you have touching problems its related to touch screen digitizer. Jul 16 08:51:48 if you have brightness or color problems its related to LCD Panel Screen. Jul 16 08:52:17 ok Jul 16 08:52:45 before I cut broken part off from the connector screen was blank Jul 16 08:52:48 Normally, Stock Part resellers allow you to test when you but, Jul 16 08:53:03 after that it worked but no touch screen working Jul 16 08:53:06 buy* Jul 16 08:53:57 hmmm where to buy.. Jul 16 08:54:28 Well, it depends. search for local dealers. Jul 16 08:54:47 or online one with return policy that match your conditions Jul 16 08:55:52 ok, thx Jul 16 08:56:13 hmm thinking if I could still repair the connector Jul 16 08:56:45 two weeks ago i bought a LCD for about 25USD and touch panel (alone without bracket) about 10USD. Jul 16 08:58:15 not bad :p Jul 16 08:58:50 but i didn't pay tax, maybe you should... ;-) Jul 16 08:58:54 I had to cut from that part of the connector were it gets wider :( Jul 16 08:58:56 hehe Jul 16 08:59:14 its coming to finland Jul 16 09:00:17 cut? lcd flat cable or touch one? Jul 16 09:01:07 that one in the pic that was scratched broken Jul 16 09:01:17 thinking its the touch one Jul 16 09:04:22 green one is from lcd and the other from touch panel Jul 16 09:06:33 then its from the touch panel Jul 16 09:07:36 damn I should have not cutted it Jul 16 09:08:03 I should have tried to "repair" that section where copper was broken Jul 16 09:09:09 becouse it gets wider in there, now it doesn't so it gets no connection Jul 16 09:09:20 well, based on my previous tries, it's not repairable. Jul 16 09:09:42 ok Jul 16 09:10:16 and if I try I may break the new lcd-panel also Jul 16 09:10:42 hmm maybe I should order this -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N900-Touch-Panel-Digitiser-/230641005194?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item35b346728a Jul 16 09:11:05 well, if you are serious, first disassemble, then do what possible. Jul 16 09:11:21 it can be returned, just costs post Jul 16 09:11:49 yea, I will disassemble it again and try Jul 16 09:12:29 someone did mod so n900 can be used without touch screen, but its not fun anymore after that Jul 16 09:13:17 haha, 1 available :D Jul 16 09:14:01 maybe I should be fast then :p Jul 16 09:15:20 99.8% positive feedback, seems good. Jul 16 09:15:43 I ordered it :p Jul 16 09:16:03 thx for notifying that there was just 1 left (: Jul 16 09:17:07 np Jul 16 09:18:22 its nice to have another n900, I just switched screen from another n900 to my main n900 (: Jul 16 09:18:53 I had ur prob with flat cable before, 2 years ago, one 10$ touch didnt work, another 25$ one worked and still in work! Jul 16 09:19:27 i think i should buy another one two. maybe a dead one just for parts. Jul 16 09:19:37 s/two/too Jul 16 09:20:49 ok, yea it would be good :p Jul 16 09:34:25 hmm I should buy new skandinavia keypad also, some buttons are white :p Jul 16 09:35:51 mine too, but i type blindly :D Jul 16 09:37:10 carve the signs into the keyboard Jul 16 09:37:11 haha Jul 16 09:37:16 fill the carvings with white paint solution Jul 16 09:37:28 hehe Jul 16 09:37:38 lol Jul 16 09:37:50 can't find anywhere keypad with "äö" :( Jul 16 09:38:06 you can probably remap the keyboard for that tho Jul 16 09:38:18 and the carve the symbols into and fill it with white paint solution \o/ Jul 16 09:38:21 then* Jul 16 09:39:09 it won't be pretty if I do it :p Jul 16 09:41:52 mine is english, and i have persian signs assignment in mind. :) Jul 16 09:42:44 remap would work, but scandic keypad would be lot of nicer :p Jul 16 09:59:56 * amin007110 is preparing for vanilla-reflashing. Wish him success. HeHe. Jul 16 10:03:18 gl! Jul 16 10:07:09 thx Jul 16 10:57:34 amin007110, it's easy. I've done it just recently. Twice actually :;) Jul 16 10:58:55 japa-fi, I see, did that 4-5 times before ;) but now with a patched vanilla.bin using guides in ~jrtools Jul 16 10:59:37 patched vanilla.bin? Jul 16 11:00:02 I went by a youtube guide (using ubuntu) with binaries from Nokia's site Jul 16 11:02:09 japa-fi, patching to increase /opt partition size over 2048MB Jul 16 11:06:10 Installing lot of stuff? Jul 16 11:20:01 hmm, jrtools \o/ Jul 16 11:20:08 ;-P Jul 16 11:21:02 :D Jul 16 11:21:24 yes japa-fi Jul 16 11:22:27 how do you like the new formatting of ~jrtools? Jul 16 11:24:12 I've not finished it Jul 16 11:24:25 more categorising ! Jul 16 11:24:42 I poner to break up the big white blob as well Jul 16 11:25:31 good Jul 16 11:25:38 obvious advantage: you find more easily subtopics. Downside: no more c&p of the whole blob Jul 16 11:27:17 well, you can provide some scripts at the end to cover all or most of them. Jul 16 11:27:37 yes, but then I need to keep script and snippets in sync Jul 16 11:28:22 is it hard ? Jul 16 11:28:34 I just wondered if I find a way to change the WHOLE website into a properly formed HTML and same time one large valid script ;-) Jul 16 11:29:42 now that would be kinda awesme hack ;-P Jul 16 11:31:13 I think some polishing may increase readablity for now. Jul 16 11:31:31 will increase* Jul 16 11:32:50 yeah, but look, no more c&p of one large blob of shellscript to configuure my new (flashed) devices, which was the original intention of this whole wikipage Jul 16 11:33:52 (not that I ever really did it ;-P I always copy and restore a BM backup) Jul 16 11:34:10 lol Jul 16 11:34:53 I already pondered to provide the BM file, but it has too many privacy data Jul 16 11:36:19 Here in some persian forums some people did that; hard work! Jul 16 11:36:39 "execute or source this to fix the missing end-times in eventslogger db" - Can I run the script even though I've used my N900 for some weeks now? Will I be asking for trouble? Jul 16 11:36:57 sure Jul 16 11:37:08 go ahead Jul 16 11:37:23 it will not add end times to your historic calls Jul 16 11:37:37 but will work just fine for new calls Jul 16 11:38:53 it adds a few stored procedures plus triggers to the sqlite db Jul 16 11:39:22 incredibly smart hack Jul 16 11:39:49 DocScrutinizer05, Polishing (categorising & Scripting) your wiki page is a one-time job. Once done, updating is as easy as "find&replace", I think. Jul 16 11:41:10 err, you didn't get my right. Adding the whole stuff again as one long script (which it _is_ now, but wouldn't be after breaking into sections) creates redundancy Jul 16 11:41:29 when I add or change sth, I have to do it twice then Jul 16 11:44:05 I however might be able to find a syntax that turns the sectorized wikipage into a valid script. Sth like ending each white block with Jul 16 11:44:08 : ' Jul 16 11:44:19 and starting the next with Jul 16 11:44:20 ' Jul 16 11:44:39 so to comment out the html in between Jul 16 11:45:01 is techstaff working on tmo? Jul 16 11:45:15 not that I knew off Jul 16 11:45:16 this seems not right: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90748 Jul 16 11:45:55 WTF?! Jul 16 11:45:59 I experience the same as misiak (emails) Jul 16 11:46:29 hmm? Jul 16 11:46:44 lol Jul 16 11:46:44 last post Jul 16 11:47:36 DocScrutinizer05, the "backup your N900 via cron" -nice idea, I'll be adding it right away to my NASs crontab.. Jul 16 11:47:48 FFS! Jul 16 11:48:14 sth terribly odd with tmo Jul 16 11:48:19 I'm not rsync guru, but doesn't it need also "-e ssh" option Jul 16 11:48:40 obviously not Jul 16 11:49:07 I guess that's default nowadays Jul 16 11:49:46 I'm also no rsync guru, too me well most part of a day to figure out and test Jul 16 11:49:54 took* Jul 16 11:50:00 chem|st: ALARM!!! Jul 16 11:51:05 DocScrutinizer05, smth for you: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90747 Jul 16 11:53:16 meh! Jul 16 11:53:21 thanks anyway Jul 16 11:54:35 I wonder WTF is going on with misiak and you re mails, and with that friggin post of "Council" that's clearly outdated Jul 16 11:57:02 received 12 mails for subscribed threads from 12:14 - 12:15. I have subscribed to more threads though Jul 16 11:59:49 check those threads if they also have bogus date, like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90748 Jul 16 12:00:27 I don't have any tmo notifications about new posts in threads Jul 16 12:00:37 and I'm subscribed to a few Jul 16 12:01:14 UGH Jul 16 12:01:18 dates in those threads I got email are ok Jul 16 12:03:25 the council thingie might be midgard suddenly considering to finally post all the tmo posts auto-generated from http://maemo.org/community/council/ Jul 16 12:04:04 but then I dunno why you got notify mail for obsolete threads Jul 16 12:04:25 can you please forward one of those mails to me Jul 16 12:04:32 hi all Jul 16 12:04:34 today I got my N900 Jul 16 12:04:39 DocScrutinizer05, is it worthy to increase internal swap partition size or better to add a Class 10 uSD containing swap partition? Jul 16 12:04:42 When I download last Maemo 5 with PR1.3 it comde with PowerKernel 49? Jul 16 12:04:52 sure Jul 16 12:04:54 the latter Jul 16 12:05:12 ok Jul 16 12:05:20 how can I check if my phone come with last maemo and keral? Jul 16 12:05:24 increasing internal swap even further is nonsense, it actually is kinda too large already Jul 16 12:05:38 DrCode: reflash ;-D Jul 16 12:06:46 forwarded Jul 16 12:06:47 golden rule: first thing you do to a new device: reflash completely (does apply not only to N900 but basically every electronic device) Jul 16 12:06:55 tnx Jul 16 12:07:36 one is enough? Jul 16 12:08:51 golden rule: first check device for contents, then reflash Jul 16 12:09:55 I found all 12 mails i received are for threads that have their last post quite some time ago, nothing that recently got new posts Jul 16 12:10:06 Golden Rule: Buy a Nokia 1100 and forget about anything related to OS and Contents ! :D Jul 16 12:10:17 i have a 1750! Jul 16 12:11:34 nice, i bought 1202 after breaking my old 1100! Jul 16 12:12:16 Hard to break, but done successfully. I used it instead of hammer ! hehe Jul 16 12:12:39 win7mac: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1330766#post1330766 hmm NFC what's wrong in TMO. Maybe mails got on hold and not are getting sent Jul 16 12:12:58 s/not are/now are/ Jul 16 12:13:00 DocScrutinizer05 meant: win7mac: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1330766#post1330766 hmm NFC what's wrong in TMO. Maybe mails got on hold and now are getting sent Jul 16 12:13:18 ok Jul 16 12:13:19 thankyou Jul 16 12:13:29 I am new with maemo Jul 16 12:13:45 Most of the time I am using ubuntu Jul 16 12:14:16 most of the commands are the same? Jul 16 12:14:45 basically yes, though particularly apt is quite nasty different Jul 16 12:15:01 ok Jul 16 12:15:04 not the command but the way you should (not) use it Jul 16 12:15:21 ~flashing Jul 16 12:15:21 maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 16 12:15:55 If I want to use only power kernel 0.49 , can I force it ? Jul 16 12:16:07 you shouldn't Jul 16 12:16:16 use KP52 Jul 16 12:16:35 but first test yur device in stock config for several weeks Jul 16 12:16:49 ok Jul 16 12:16:51 so you get an idea of what's "normal" Jul 16 12:16:58 thankyou Jul 16 12:17:28 particularly stay away from extras-devel catalog for first few weeks Jul 16 12:17:43 ok Jul 16 12:17:47 thankyou dockane_ Jul 16 12:17:49 DocScrutinizer05, Jul 16 12:17:51 sory Jul 16 12:18:35 HAM is slow enough without that huge cluttered repo, and you way too easily may install stuff that fubars your whole system when you enable extras-devel and don't exactly know how to handle it Jul 16 12:20:17 nevertheless prepare for several minutes of black screen and seemingly nothing happening when using HAM (aka application manager). Don't abort or close it, it eventually _will_ display something Jul 16 12:21:05 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cpumem-applet/ Jul 16 12:21:14 that little thing has always helped me with seeing if HAM was busy:) Jul 16 12:21:25 HAM is terribly slow. But you're not supposed to install more than one app at a time anyway. So the delay after/during each install is not that bad Jul 16 12:21:38 yes! Jul 16 12:21:48 cpumem-applet <3 Jul 16 12:21:53 indispensible little applet Jul 16 12:21:56 probably the most useful ever Jul 16 12:22:15 nah, simple brightness applet is even more important and useful Jul 16 12:22:39 yeah, the brightness applet is another mandatory one Jul 16 12:22:46 hmm..not for me, I always have the screen set to pretty dim, but it's of course nice that it's easy to change (so I have that too) Jul 16 12:22:54 i switch brightness all the time Jul 16 12:22:56 manually Jul 16 12:22:58 but I couldn't use the phone without cpumem probably Jul 16 12:22:58 I honestly don't get it how you could use N900 without simple brightness applet Jul 16 12:23:12 I never change screen brightness :P Jul 16 12:23:15 well, the App Search widget is the same Jul 16 12:23:20 i cant imagine anyone using the n900 via the app menu Jul 16 12:23:39 ApMeFo Jul 16 12:23:41 hmm...I just have catorize and icons for all the relevant stuff Jul 16 12:23:44 no thanks Jul 16 12:23:58 apmefo is just a way to increase the amount of clicks needed to reach your application Jul 16 12:24:48 not if you count in scrolls for click Jul 16 12:25:00 i dont have to scroll using app search widget Jul 16 12:25:45 oh, get your surface RT now Jul 16 12:25:52 prices cut by 30%! Jul 16 12:28:55 ooh, and I guess tweakr still has one or two settings that are hard to find anywhere else Jul 16 12:30:01 MHD is also great, but it comes with CSSU anyway Jul 16 12:31:08 I wouldn't know how it would feel to lose ctrl-bs app rotation, or the edit-lock for desktops Jul 16 12:35:08 joga: even when you never change brightness, simple brightness applet is still mad useful to switch on/off backlight dimming/autolock completely, with one single long click on the square button on left side of the brightness "slider" Jul 16 12:35:39 actually I use this one way more often than brightness adjustment Jul 16 12:37:48 pro-tip: when you click long then the brightness applet eventually vanishes and you might end on xchat's menubar which would open as soon as you lift your finger. just slide down finger a bit before "un-touch" to avoid opening the menu Jul 16 12:37:51 DocScrutinizer05, yeah I know but only rarely I have a need for that, it's handy when I do though Jul 16 12:38:20 but if I had to pick only one I'd pick the cpumem :) Jul 16 12:39:19 2G/3G/dual switcher is another useful one, at least for me Jul 16 12:41:27 DocScrutinizer05, did you reach chemist? Jul 16 12:41:39 no Jul 16 12:42:18 the new old election announcement was deleted... Jul 16 12:42:38 ...after I reported 1st post in thread Jul 16 12:42:45 thedead1440 maybe? Jul 16 12:43:07 ? - if nobody talks to us? Jul 16 12:43:40 tmo is kinda own universe Jul 16 12:44:09 I don't even have admin permissions there Jul 16 12:45:20 the original thread was deleted too it seems, can't find it in http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 Jul 16 12:45:58 and nfc what chem|st does regarding updates etc. He even basically manages his own backup, though integrated into global maemo backup system Jul 16 12:46:19 weird Jul 16 12:46:43 I guess it just got "touch"ed Jul 16 12:46:54 nfc Jul 16 12:47:36 hmm Jul 16 12:48:34 DocScrutinizer05: FIRE! Jul 16 12:49:01 chem|st: wtf is going on on tmo? Jul 16 12:49:27 notification mails for posts done in March get sent Jul 16 12:49:50 election announcement posts pop up with posting date "today" Jul 16 12:49:50 yeah I cleaned the moderation queue as moderators didn't... Jul 16 12:49:58 that wasnt me Jul 16 12:50:28 mhm, so nothing fundamentally bad. Good :-) Jul 16 12:50:39 no Jul 16 12:50:51 thanks! Jul 16 12:51:03 and I am not away but the away collector saves me the scrollback when I get highlighted^^ Jul 16 12:51:24 quiet handy :) Jul 16 12:51:33 sounds nice Jul 16 12:52:24 I am out in the wild most of the time an read my away-log some like twice a day, even on weekends Jul 16 12:52:31 chem|st: please check what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90748 Jul 16 12:53:16 [2013-07-16 14:45:20] the original thread was deleted too it seems, can't find it in http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 Jul 16 12:54:32 the original one is not in general talk as well... Jul 16 12:55:07 this thread wasn't posted by midgard and is still sticky... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90304 Jul 16 12:55:27 darn, my NAS does not support --fake-super :( Jul 16 12:55:29 yep Jul 16 12:55:56 I think that was a try to post it via midgard, did not work and suddenly got posted today Jul 16 12:56:08 yep Jul 16 12:56:21 so midgard....leave my talk alone^^ Jul 16 12:56:27 :D Jul 16 12:56:35 [2013-07-16 14:03:24] the council thingie might be midgard suddenly considering to finally post all the tmo posts auto-generated from http://maemo.org/community/council/ Jul 16 12:57:04 yeah read that Jul 16 12:57:17 though I wonder why that might happen. Maybe Falk is finally taking care about the zillion garage mail accounts Jul 16 12:57:32 I need to look at the server too but that is coming the next 2 weeks some day, AFTER I upgraded talk Jul 16 12:58:01 look on server? please elaborate Jul 16 12:58:19 talk-server not talk-forums-software Jul 16 12:58:37 aah, sysop-local tasks? Jul 16 12:59:21 more like - I still have to look after the mailing stuff as things are borked and you cannot reply to threads by mail... Jul 16 12:59:33 mhm Jul 16 12:59:43 plus general security updates Jul 16 12:59:47 not that I think this is a good thing to get Jul 16 12:59:59 the updates however *are* Jul 16 13:00:11 but vBull had security updates and needs some love by hand before I touch the server Jul 16 13:00:17 nothing people see... Jul 16 13:00:21 but please ask for a snapshot prior to security updates Jul 16 13:00:25 floodcontrol things Jul 16 13:00:36 I have daily backup... Jul 16 13:00:56 we've seen quite a few fsckups done by ubuntu system updates Jul 16 13:01:29 and daily backup probably doesn't backup any system stuff Jul 16 13:01:34 and yes I need warfare to do a reboot by hand afterwards so he can do a snapshot beforehand! Jul 16 13:01:44 we backup the whole sys Jul 16 13:01:45 :nod: Jul 16 13:02:14 don't know if the vm-disk issues are solved but we will see Jul 16 13:02:34 which issues? Jul 16 13:02:37 he probably needs to mount it by hand afterwards... Jul 16 13:02:45 mhm Jul 16 13:02:50 o.O Jul 16 13:02:57 hickup with mounting it on boot Jul 16 13:03:10 needs to get sorted Jul 16 13:03:20 we had that with nemein and later in H... Jul 16 13:03:34 so don't be shy to have a service downtime, to fix this issue Jul 16 13:04:35 I'm not shy.... those few hours a year... but I need to coordinate with my schedule and warfare... Jul 16 13:05:05 whoppee, there is gnu tar at /home/opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/tar .. I'll configure the backup to use that one instead of rsync Jul 16 13:05:29 I am occupied all evenings from today till somewhere tuesday week after next Jul 16 13:06:10 so gtg again... later Jul 16 13:06:37 chem|st, today 21:00 local is meeting right? Jul 16 13:06:44 yes Jul 16 13:06:53 in ~6h Jul 16 13:07:25 have two alarms set for that^^ as today is the only day I can do some household stuff.... Jul 16 13:08:05 ok good, thought you'd be occupied by smth else Jul 16 13:08:07 I might do my own serverupgrade during the meeting^^ Jul 16 13:08:26 due for a while now... Jul 16 13:08:49 good luck for your meeting, guys! Jul 16 13:09:02 join in! Jul 16 13:16:17 *sigh* still one stalled apache process per day Jul 16 13:17:00 If anyone of you have development environment for N900, could you give a try if lzop compiles to n900? Jul 16 13:18:54 lzop? Jul 16 13:22:34 It's a compressor, very light on CPU Jul 16 13:22:52 (( though I wonder why that might happen. Maybe Falk is finally taking care...)) nope, no warfare logged in on any of the relevant machines since saturday Jul 16 13:23:53 DocScrutinizer05, lzop at http://www.lzop.org/ - For idea on the usage (comparison to other compressors) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8051 Jul 16 13:31:37 from those diagrams lzop is "light on CPU" only when it actually has a "compression" of <1 Jul 16 13:31:59 err nope, sorry Jul 16 13:32:50 silly scale of "percent increase" Jul 16 13:33:33 compression factor is "percent increase"/100+1 Jul 16 13:34:08 so lzop can get to 1.9 very fast Jul 16 13:34:11 I've used it mostly on virtual machine image backups. with laptop, the increased time (vs copy) is not much, but space saving are noticiable. Though the images often contain lot of empty space" Jul 16 13:35:04 gzip 2.1 .. 2.3, but with ~4 times the CPU load aka time Jul 16 13:36:05 bzip2: 2.1 .. 2.5 @ ~10* Jul 16 13:36:34 rar: ~3 @ 10* Jul 16 13:37:29 still these figures depend massively on type of data to compress Jul 16 13:39:46 >>I used the same lightly loaded AMD Athlon XP 1700+ CPU with 1GB of RAM and version 2.4.27-1-k7 of the Linux kernel for all tests. Unpredictable disk drive delays were minimized by pre-loading data into RAM.<< LOL, why didn't he use `time` Jul 16 13:40:12 and just cited the effective CPU and IO time consumed Jul 16 13:41:25 figuring that lzop adds the benefit of compressing the stuff, but not being the limiting factor when transmitting the data over wlan Jul 16 13:42:28 ie. feed the backup of / (and /home) to lzop and transmit the compressed data over wlan would hopefully be faster than the same data transmitted uncompressed. Jul 16 13:42:39 (and it takes less space at the destination) Jul 16 13:43:35 That's why there's rsync, it doesn't use the same algorithms as cp and you can compress stuff "on-the-fly" so to speak. Jul 16 13:44:55 Rather the exact same algorithm. Jul 16 13:45:02 even better rsync doesn't transmit unaltered data at all Jul 16 13:45:30 rsync is smart++ Jul 16 13:48:28 My NAS does not support xattrs, figured I'd use tar on N900, pipe the output inside ssh to my NAS. Jul 16 13:48:49 Thus, would like to lzop the tarred data Jul 16 13:48:50 every now and then I do a cp -al ./n900-backup .n900-backup-`date --rfc-3339=date` Jul 16 13:49:41 well, probably n900 also doesn't support xattr Jul 16 13:49:45 ssh root@$1 "/home/opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/tar --one-file-system -cpf - /home" > n900-home.tar Jul 16 13:49:58 n900 does support. Tested it by rsyncing to my PC Jul 16 13:50:35 DocScrutinizer05, btw. your backup script has --fake-super which stores stuff to xattr Jul 16 13:51:35 I would like to ssh root@$1 "/home/opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/tar --one-file-system -cpf - /home | lzop" > n900-home.tar.lzop Jul 16 13:52:34 err ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0000,rodir) /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /media/mmc1p2 type ext3 (rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime) /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type Jul 16 13:52:35 vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0000,rodir) Jul 16 13:52:40 no xattr Jul 16 13:53:11 hmm, don't ask me what I done 2 years ago Jul 16 13:53:59 I just think it's silly to do a daily full backup, even if the hell compressed out of it Jul 16 13:55:40 make it incremental! Jul 16 13:55:42 btw if anybody knows a tool to evaluate the space used by a bunch of hardlinks and dirs, *without* the hardlinked data... I'd like to hear about it Jul 16 13:55:57 and iirc rsync has a way to rsync hardlinks properly Jul 16 13:56:21 sure it has, but that's completely unrelated to my question Jul 16 13:56:28 oh, evaluate Jul 16 13:56:29 hm Jul 16 13:56:44 does du count hardlinks twice? Jul 16 13:56:49 From my NAS rsync log: 2013/07/16 12:39:53 [32217] rsync: failed to write xattr user.rsync.%stat for "/ Jul 16 13:56:49 mnt/HD/HD_a2/Backups/N900/Daily/home/home/user/.thumbnails/tweetian/.ed1526ba76b Jul 16 13:56:49 921630d557eaca6f11950.png.ATVqAW": Operation not supported (95) Jul 16 13:56:49 Jul 16 13:56:51 >>>> every now and then I do a cp -al ./n900-backup .n900-backup-`date --rfc-3339=date` Jul 16 13:57:06 (darn, tried to have one liner). To my PC it transfers just fine Jul 16 13:57:08 Files having multiple hard links are counted (and displayed) a single time per du execution. Jul 16 13:57:15 bsd/apple du Jul 16 13:58:14 kerio: I know, but how to calculate the disk usage of just the inodes from that? Jul 16 13:58:30 oh you mean *that* Jul 16 13:58:41 japa-fi: thats not 0b file? Jul 16 13:58:47 I *can do Jul 16 13:58:48 why is there even occupied space? Jul 16 13:59:00 i mean, i'm sure that the data is stored somewhere Jul 16 13:59:03 du; cp -al ./n900-backup .n900-backup-`date --rfc-3339=date`; du Jul 16 13:59:05 but it's so dependant on the fs Jul 16 13:59:41 but that's just possible at the time I do the cp Jul 16 14:01:27 btw you can find all files that changed by searching for link-count Jul 16 14:03:11 eventually I gonna port that whole stuff to btrfs and just do snapshots instead of cp -al Jul 16 14:03:15 Drathir, ed1526ba76b921630d557eaca6f11950.png does exist. Jul 16 14:03:50 both rsync have xattr support Jul 16 14:08:51 lzop did compress the backups nicely: Jul 16 14:08:53 -rw-r--r-- 1 jani share_users 339M Jul 16 14:03 N900-home.tar Jul 16 14:08:53 -rw-r--r-- 1 jani share_users 201M Jul 16 13:56 N900-home.tar.lzop Jul 16 14:09:06 -rw-r--r-- 1 jani share_users 261M Jul 16 14:04 N900-root.tar Jul 16 14:09:06 -rw-r--r-- 1 jani share_users 139M Jul 16 13:40 N900-root.tar.lzop Jul 16 14:13:14 japa-fi: why lzop? Jul 16 14:13:15 :s Jul 16 14:13:53 wait, is this on-device? Jul 16 14:15:00 wow, rsync does tricky stuff! create and open a temp-file and imediately delete it while still open :-D Jul 16 14:15:33 phantom disk based storage Jul 16 14:16:21 it's a common method for tempfiles. Automatically deleted when process exits Jul 16 14:16:34 japa-fi: but i mean about that files 15:56 < japa-fi> mnt/HD/HD_a2/Backups/N900/Daily/home/home/user/.thumbnails/tweetian/.ed1526ba76b Jul 16 14:16:37 15:56 < japa-fi> 921630d557eaca6f11950.png.ATVqAW": Operation not supported (95) Jul 16 14:16:40 and not even visible while i use Jul 16 14:16:44 DocScrutinizer05: open it in exclusive mode, too Jul 16 14:18:12 I wish unix/posix had a way to autonatically delete *visible* files on process exit Jul 16 14:18:33 in past i also have issue with files with size 0b but now dont really remember that was with rsync connected... Jul 16 14:18:45 kerio, I would use lzop on N900 to reduce the data transmission by 30-50% for the tar. Jul 16 14:18:48 except for trap clean-up exit Jul 16 14:19:11 DocScrutinizer05: but open file handles are only vaguely related to paths Jul 16 14:19:27 Drathir, the suorce file (thumbnail) exists (without the ATVqAW extension though) Jul 16 14:19:43 kerio: I know. Actually not at all basically Jul 16 14:19:53 japa-fi: not better idea with rsync and compression on the fly? Jul 16 14:20:59