**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 19 02:59:58 2013 Jul 19 04:18:52 what's the best way to set ownership to user:users on a file in my deb package? postinst script? Jul 19 05:29:07 hm Jul 19 05:29:35 pondering what the difference is in this (thumb) update heh Jul 19 05:29:46 * Macer punches his n900 Jul 19 05:30:25 i wonder if this sociality update works Jul 19 05:30:40 Macer: hmm? I remember I wrote a changelog :P Jul 19 05:30:44 i know the one i tried from the last time off the repo wouldnt read the news feed Jul 19 05:30:51 oh.. where is it? Jul 19 05:30:57 sorry... didnt see it Jul 19 05:31:41 no better thumb keyboard heh Jul 19 05:31:44 Macer: at least in 2 places - TMO and debian/changelog. You'll see the latter in description tab once you start the update Jul 19 05:32:08 oh. i already updated it Jul 19 05:32:18 let me see if i can find it on tmo Jul 19 05:33:29 too bad thetr is no seype Jul 19 05:33:39 wow that vkb sucks heh Jul 19 05:33:56 but hitting enter in xterm closes and sends now Jul 19 05:34:02 that's kind of neet Jul 19 05:34:20 hm. Jul 19 05:34:46 Macer: 13.07.2013 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2+thumb1 Jul 19 05:34:54 * packages updated to latest CSSU-testing(21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2) Jul 19 05:34:54 * thumb-compile tracker, hildon, hildon-thumbnailer Jul 19 05:35:23 i see Jul 19 05:35:49 is there a better vkb somewhere? Jul 19 05:36:03 Macer: better than? Jul 19 05:36:07 one that doesnt have the dialog box and blurs out the app? ie: real time typing Jul 19 05:36:22 the stock one is awful Jul 19 05:36:28 hmm, afaik no Jul 19 05:36:28 especially in portrait Jul 19 05:36:37 ah ok Jul 19 05:37:08 wish maemo had swype so it wasnt always me opening the kb and wearing out the keys Jul 19 05:37:16 or at least a better vkb Jul 19 05:37:57 using the stock one in xterm brings it up, blurs the term, (i guess you can turn that off) then closes Jul 19 05:38:08 instead of simply being able to type on it Jul 19 05:38:45 i was thinking of putting in a feature request for mobilehotspot to support pan Jul 19 05:39:01 heh. that would be awesome. i never did figure out how to get it working :-/ Jul 19 05:39:14 seems overly complicated compared to just turning it on in android Jul 19 05:41:07 ah well... let me update all the pkgs heh Jul 19 06:00:06 news feed still seems broken in repo sociality Jul 19 06:00:32 but half works in tmo .deb Jul 19 06:00:38 Macer: IIRC you have to use the .deb on sociality thread on TMO Jul 19 06:00:48 yeah :) Jul 19 06:01:03 yeah Jul 19 06:01:06 how odd Jul 19 06:01:16 you would think the opposite heh Jul 19 06:01:32 sure hope it gets updated Jul 19 06:13:45 leave it to the linux bcm driver to not support adhoc heh Jul 19 06:13:56 i can't connect to an adhoc hotspot on my dell laptop running mint Jul 19 06:15:22 back to using dun i suppose :) Jul 19 06:15:29 too bad android doesn't support dun :-/ Jul 19 09:46:40 haha Jul 19 09:46:59 MS lost almost a bilion american dollaz on Surace RT this *quarter* Jul 19 10:08:34 Lava_Croft: link? Jul 19 10:20:59 http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4535976/microsoft-lost-900-million-on-surface-rt Jul 19 10:22:36 mind you, MS taking a huge loss over HW isnt exactly special Jul 19 10:22:47 they did it for the Xbox too, but at least the Xbox was a good product Jul 19 10:23:03 SurfaceRT will not get anywhere Jul 19 10:23:25 my brother has been a windows phone lover from the start, but even he gave up Jul 19 10:23:34 he also owns SurfaceRT, worst product ever Jul 19 10:23:49 nexus7 is a deception, but goddamn surfaceRT Jul 19 10:24:12 also, http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/07/android_vs_iphone_why_apple_still_has_the_edge_over_google_s_operating_system.single.html Jul 19 10:34:50 A writedown isn't quite a loss. Jul 19 10:35:32 If you have inventory set to sell at 500, which cost you 350 to make, writing it down to 400 is a paper $100 loss - but you still profit by $50 if you sell it Jul 19 10:59:34 Does anyone know what the 'standard' procedure is for getting ovi maps on the n900, in 2013:P Jul 19 11:21:50 Lava_Croft, in 2012 i got them through Nokia Suite in M$! Haven't tried recently :D Jul 19 11:22:10 that doesnt work anymore:< Jul 19 11:22:29 thats how i used to do it too Jul 19 11:22:31 :| Jul 19 11:22:56 marble works ok tho, but its just that i kind of got attached to using that shit nokia mapping app :) Jul 19 11:23:16 Is porting from another nokia devices possible? Such as symbian ones! Jul 19 11:23:32 no clue Jul 19 11:23:44 n9 has a fairly decent app too Jul 19 11:23:56 there i just had it update the maps:) Jul 19 11:24:46 I think data files and folders are the same in various nokia products. Jul 19 11:25:04 I guess actually. Jul 19 11:25:17 and I *think* ovimaps works still as usual for me Jul 19 11:26:10 Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 ! Jul 19 11:26:18 or installing maps to begin with Jul 19 11:27:48 I'm searching and finding and displaying $random location. So everything usual Jul 19 11:27:53 as usual Jul 19 11:27:55 yes, that still works Jul 19 11:28:03 i wasnt saying the application stopped functioning:) Jul 19 11:29:09 you're aware that searching is online function, and $random-location above implied I had no cached data for it Jul 19 11:29:52 and you want to download the Germany maps that way? Jul 19 11:30:10 no Jul 19 11:30:21 why would I want to do that? Jul 19 11:30:50 offline use Jul 19 11:35:12 since offline use gives away extremely expensive data (navtech map) without earning anything in turn, I guess Wokia has taken active measures to forbid it Jul 19 11:36:19 downloading and caching of small areas still offers some info you pay with for that navteq map data Jul 19 11:36:43 particularly that you're probably in this region, or at least looking at it Jul 19 11:37:37 giving away whole countries' map data for free via download is a net loss for Nokia Jul 19 11:37:50 you can still get the entire countries via direct links Jul 19 11:37:59 a few years afo a CD with that data was ~150EUR Jul 19 11:38:44 well, sometimes we have no access to a reliable data plan or speed is down or something. Jul 19 11:39:04 From the Nokia Side, yes. but from our side :D Jul 19 11:50:39 (( Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 !)) I literally never touched nokiasuite. So NFC. Inside ovimaps app I don't see any explicit download/update function Jul 19 11:51:30 I *think* Nokia discontinued Nokiasuite Jul 19 12:07:02 I dunno how smart ovimaps-fremantle acts. If it's smarter than I think it is, then it downloads all tiles needed for a route you calculated online anyway Jul 19 12:08:44 and sure, I guess it's been inevitable that Nokia implements some leecher-filters to stop arbitrary non-Nokia-customers to download whole navteq database for free Jul 19 12:09:07 Hmmmm... Jul 19 12:10:42 so whatever they did (throttling, obfuscating, check for client/browser-ID), you should expect to see some problems trying to download whole continents' map-data Jul 19 12:11:34 SPI can go a long way to take care about that, server side Jul 19 13:58:43 ill try poking at the latest map data Jul 19 13:58:57 see if direct downloading and installing them by hand still works for the maemo5 maps app Jul 19 15:37:48 morning Jul 19 15:38:12 any news from the new Board? Jul 19 15:38:25 good morning;) Jul 19 15:38:43 I mean is there something an ex candidate could help with Jul 19 15:38:45 ;) Jul 19 15:41:51 thanks for the offer. Here's the meeting minutes from 1st new board-(handover-)meeting: http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-july-16th-2013-1909-utc/ Jul 19 15:44:52 OFC you can always come up with ideas and suggestions, not sure what to help with right now though Jul 19 15:45:20 nice Jul 19 15:45:38 a state when help is not needed is good as it means everything runs smooth Jul 19 15:45:46 which means you all nedd a raise ;) Jul 19 16:45:23 http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358262538271596544 Jul 19 16:45:27 What a moron. Jul 19 16:46:15 lol Jul 19 16:46:57 typical BB/iOS/WP reps... Jul 19 16:47:43 If anybody else wants to (politely) chime in. Jul 19 16:48:55 hey thedead1440, how's your N9? - there's no progress on tweak flash version so far :( Jul 19 16:49:19 win7mac: no progress on my n9 too :( Jul 19 16:49:25 s/n9/n9s/ Jul 19 16:49:27 thedead1440 meant: win7mac: no progress on my n9s too :( Jul 19 16:51:18 <- no twitter account, else Clewley has no clew... Jul 19 16:53:55 :/ Jul 19 16:56:04 http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358267885866590209 Jul 19 16:56:06 lol Jul 19 16:58:10 haha Jul 19 16:58:34 no wonder bb10 is sinking with product managers like him... Jul 19 16:59:13 wow. Jul 19 17:00:44 ecc3g, I've gotten useful help and responses out of him before, so nobody needs to tear him a new one. Jul 19 17:02:19 ah okay. I still can't believe he thinks plaintext mails have no use... Jul 19 17:04:08 * ecc3g checks modest... "New message format: Plain text" ahhh... Jul 19 17:07:31 http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358269611508105217 Jul 19 17:07:50 There's a Princess Bride quote that applies here. Jul 19 17:08:08 oh...kay... /facepalm Jul 19 17:09:33 technically speaking, if he as talking about html/rtf mail being "proprietary"... still doesn't solve the problem at hand though. Jul 19 17:57:16 maybe someonr will find this very useful :) Jul 19 17:57:21 http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html Jul 19 17:57:33 serial adapter for use on N900 Jul 19 18:23:38 it is possible to flash phone via serial adapter? Jul 19 18:28:06 i don't know Pali.. but I thought this adapter would be of great use to you especially, freemangordon too ;) Jul 19 19:01:17 Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg Jul 19 19:01:20 ff Jul 19 19:03:31 alas fbus. would need minor mech rework for UART Jul 19 19:05:22 Pali: basically yes Jul 19 19:05:45 coldflash/ROMBL Jul 19 19:05:56 looks nice DocScrutinizer05. why you never shared before? Jul 19 19:05:58 donno about NOLO Jul 19 19:06:01 * Sicelo kicks DocScrutinizer05 Jul 19 19:06:02 :D Jul 19 19:06:08 I did Jul 19 19:06:17 search tmo Jul 19 19:06:32 hmm, will look Jul 19 19:07:06 eventually ovishare gone down and took those photos with it Jul 19 19:07:41 a severe flaw of our forum software Jul 19 19:08:45 those embedded photos inevitably render a form/tmo post bitrotten to oblivion eventually Jul 19 19:08:54 forum* Jul 19 19:09:42 I haven't completely figured yet how to attach photos instead of link them from other website Jul 19 19:10:56 anyway that critter been so dirt cheap, I couldn't resist but had to order one Jul 19 19:11:05 4.95 iirc Jul 19 19:11:49 critter? you mean the adapter? Jul 19 19:13:14 ooh, I already mentioned it a few times, but here again: I got some 20+ bupbat coin 0.06F capacitors, to replace that PR414 or whatever backup battery Jul 19 19:13:35 available for 3bucks per coin Jul 19 19:13:48 (yes, the adapter) Jul 19 19:14:08 ~bupbat Jul 19 19:14:09 rumour has it, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN Jul 19 19:17:57 "I got me three beers and a fistful of downs Jul 19 19:17:58 and I'm gonna get ripped, so f***, you clowns!" Jul 19 19:18:13 Then she gave us the finger, it was rigid and stiff Jul 19 19:18:14 That's when the devil, he farted Jul 19 19:18:16 and she went right over the cliff! Jul 19 19:18:33 IOW, cya Jul 19 19:23:45 woah... how long have I been sleeping, 1KF capacitors are available... Jul 19 19:25:21 or are they really available... Jul 19 19:49:09 i'd bet on that Jul 19 19:49:29 I even think I've seen them surplus Jul 19 19:49:39 for <100 bucks a piece Jul 20 01:21:04 Good morning to all (I guess..?) ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 20 02:59:57 2013