**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 20 02:59:58 2013 Jul 20 03:46:23 I have a basic question relating to the Nokia N810 if anyone is willing to help me out Jul 20 04:02:50 well it looks like no one is actually here. Jul 20 04:44:49 er Jul 20 06:31:32 Lava_Croft, ping! Jul 20 08:07:06 hey there is someone there? Jul 20 08:10:51 yeps Jul 20 09:51:58 i stupidly tried to run filebox as root from xterm instead of using hamster filer and now when i start it in normal mode i can't see any icons for buttons or lists inside the app Jul 20 09:53:58 that's for sure not a correct cause-result chain Jul 20 09:56:55 inbetween me running it as root and it not showing icons, it was lended to afriend and he formatted /MyDocs using his desktop, but that shouldn't affect filbox at all Jul 20 10:01:51 LauRoman: did you solve your problem with dropn900? Jul 20 10:02:04 nope Jul 20 10:02:24 what does the log window show? Jul 20 10:05:34 Dropn900 Jul 20 10:05:35 13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Starting network connection monitoring... Jul 20 10:05:35 13:02:55 -[CONFIG]: Found existing access token Jul 20 10:05:35 13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Requesting for a network connection... Jul 20 10:05:35 13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Device online: connected with WLAN_INFRA Jul 20 10:05:35 13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Network connection established, fetching root metadata Jul 20 10:05:37 13:03:32 ---[AUTH]: Account data received for (censored username:P) Jul 20 10:08:24 LauRoman: Please start xterm and launch dropn900 by run-standalone.sh /opt/dropn900/dropn900.py and check what the output is Jul 20 10:10:49 LauRoman: aiui you restored parts of device to recover from MyDocs formatting. I guess you deleted or not restored parts of /opt during that process Jul 20 10:12:31 ...or even some hidden dirs or files on MyDocs, that may legitimately have been installed there by e.g. filebox. See the "see:" in Jul 20 10:12:37 ~optification Jul 20 10:12:37 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Jul 20 10:13:34 >>... User might see your files, can get confused and try to delete or rename them. << Jul 20 10:13:57 btw. what is run-standalone.sh good for? Jul 20 10:14:07 Marshall_Banana, that looks fine now with standalone-sh, does that mean the .desktop file is screwed or somehow Jul 20 10:14:14 right? Jul 20 10:15:09 Marshall_Banana, it shows the same log entries but the filepane is visible now Jul 20 10:15:27 So it works now? Jul 20 10:15:42 only while using stanalone-sh Jul 20 10:16:24 DocScrutinizer05, is optification part of community ssu? because if it is than that could be causing it Jul 20 10:17:43 no, optification is a standard procedure mandatory for basically every package/app in maemo fremantle Jul 20 10:18:45 Marshall_Banana: run-standalone.sh creates the necessary user env for processes not started under normal user account Jul 20 10:21:30 LauRoman: when something is running under run-standalone.sh but not under normal xterm user session, and also not from .desktop icon, then that most likely means sth is terribly broken with your standard user "user" startup env setup Jul 20 10:23:20 it might e.g. mean you tweaked mount options and point in time of /opt, so hildon desktop is starting without proper link to /opt, or sth Jul 20 10:28:01 Marshall_Banana: very simple and obvious examples: $DISPLAY and the dbus session bus which should be user's session, not root's session Jul 20 10:28:29 less $(which run-standalone.sh) Jul 20 10:29:24 less /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh Jul 20 10:31:54 SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE=/tmp/session_bus_address.user etc Jul 20 10:34:09 of course a filled up / may cause all sorts of nasty behaviour too Jul 20 10:34:44 as well as a rootfs / not mounted rw Jul 20 10:38:51 i know i definitely did not intentionally screw up with any mounting options Jul 20 10:47:01 then check >> mount; df -h << Jul 20 10:49:58 http://privatepaste.com/5ad01a08bb for your reference Jul 20 10:50:04 bbl Jul 20 10:54:20 hello Jul 20 10:54:32 is modrana Search feature broken for everyone or just for me? Jul 20 11:06:44 first /home appears not to be mounted rw in my setup as opposed to DocScrutinizer05 Jul 20 11:07:24 LauRoman: exactly what I suspected Jul 20 11:07:53 without /home, no 7opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects Jul 20 11:08:18 s/7// Jul 20 11:08:18 DocScrutinizer05 meant: without /home, no opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects Jul 20 11:08:53 make sure why your /home doesn't get mounted Jul 20 11:08:54 so i just need to ad a rw option in fstab? Jul 20 11:09:04 ok Jul 20 11:09:11 i'll try and find out Jul 20 11:09:17 make sure you have a CSSU-T release >=8.2 Jul 20 11:09:41 CSSU-T8.0 is known to mess up fstab Jul 20 11:09:49 or stuff around fstab Jul 20 11:10:09 cssu-t is cssu tuner? Jul 20 11:10:19 cssu-testing Jul 20 11:10:23 oh Jul 20 11:10:52 yet it is 8.2 Jul 20 11:11:09 still might have messed up your fstab Jul 20 11:11:41 should have i stayed on stable rather than testing? Jul 20 11:11:44 ask pali where's the friggin HowTo-fix-CSSU-T8.0-fstab-fuckup Jul 20 11:12:00 :) Jul 20 11:12:10 LauRoman: that's a good question Jul 20 11:13:11 I don't feel tempted to continue updating cssu-t, I'l stay with cssu-t7, and I several times regretted that I haven't switched to cssu-stable when it came out Jul 20 11:13:21 YMMV Jul 20 11:16:36 LauRoman: anyway aiui cssu-t8.2 doesn't usually touch fstab anymore, so youu're free to edit it to a sane and working state Jul 20 11:16:47 *I guess* Jul 20 11:17:35 LauRoman: make sure you have no cruft in your /home/* mountpoint dir!! Jul 20 11:18:41 i was going to do that but then i read it is created on the fly, but if you say it isn't affected anymore i'll give it a try Jul 20 11:19:10 you probably want to do ln /home-cruft /home before mounting /home fs Jul 20 11:19:49 so after mounting eMMC to /home you can copy /home-cruft/* to /home Jul 20 11:20:04 the rm /home-cruft Jul 20 11:20:06 then Jul 20 11:21:45 do a proper backup of /home/user before you copy any bogus files from /home-cruft/user/* to /home/user/* Jul 20 11:30:30 LauRoman: try to find the changelog or README for the fstab / preinit patches done to CSSU-T8. It should have explanation on how to guarantee that fstab isn't touched anymore. Since that's been the SOLE PURPOSE of that whole patch ;-P Jul 20 11:31:12 I think it checks for existence of a /.fstab-dont-touch-me file (name a makeup of me) Jul 20 11:32:02 ask pali, he's author of that whole patch, and I think he should've provided proper HowTo with it Jul 20 11:35:04 (tbh I feel a tiny bit pissed to do the user-helpdesk to catch up the mess this patch caused. Zhis shouldn't be my task, there oughta be a proper comprehensive HowTo elaborating on the cause, the mechanisms that acted, and the suggested solution to fix and recover, as well as a manpage how to use that stuff once it got fixed) Jul 20 11:35:46 if there already IS such a HowTo then nobody informed me about it Jul 20 11:47:18 thanks for the great insight DocScrutinizer05 this is the second time you have helped me a lot Jul 20 11:48:28 i went and asked him about the patch and i hope for a response Jul 20 11:56:44 it appears im haunted by (un)mounted partitions, because just last week i flashed an old android phone for a friend, and i had errors for almost two hours until i found out that on partition was not mounting automatically in clockwork mod Jul 20 12:29:34 * ShadowJK finds a nokia box Jul 20 12:30:15 for some reason I find it amusing that the logo on the rubber boots box is basically identical to current nokia logo :) Jul 20 12:30:22 amin007110: pong? Jul 20 12:31:16 Lava_Croft, I did successfully update nokia maps using nokia suite new version some hours ago :) Jul 20 12:32:37 A total of 7.81GB world map is available. I download 2 random maps. Toronto, On and another one in asia. Jul 20 12:32:39 hm, that hung here on getting eu base map Jul 20 12:33:06 ill check later, thanks! Jul 20 12:33:23 :) Jul 20 12:35:05 well, next time i will check eu. asia base map and north america one downloaded successfully. Jul 20 12:48:22 are there any clean Pr1.3 backupmenu images around? Jul 20 12:48:37 google doesn't produce something that looks legitimate Jul 20 13:06:20 hey there? Jul 20 13:06:55 I have problems with gmail on n900 Jul 20 13:08:49 message not found error? Jul 20 13:08:58 every time it says server not found Jul 20 13:09:10 but I delete the account and I restore it Jul 20 13:10:13 again server not found Jul 20 13:10:51 I mean I receive the message but as I tip on it to open the message and read it... the message popups Jul 20 13:12:00 ShadowJK: rubber boots nokia box? Jul 20 13:12:05 o.O Jul 20 13:12:07 wow Jul 20 13:12:23 rather common, those boxes Jul 20 13:13:21 keep it, it may be worth a lot once Nokia returns to making rubber boots only, in ~6 months I'd guess. They might want to buy back those old boxes to expose them in their museum Jul 20 13:13:28 zammy, install latest CSSU or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 Jul 20 13:13:51 s/CSSU/CSSU-T/ Jul 20 13:13:52 qwazix meant: zammy, install latest CSSU-T or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 Jul 20 13:14:17 double same message I got it thx Jul 20 13:14:21 LOL Jul 20 13:14:26 excessive support Jul 20 13:15:01 ~botsnack Jul 20 13:15:02 :), DocScrutinizer05 Jul 20 13:15:40 ~+help Jul 20 13:15:40 I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" 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Jul 20 13:17:01 could possibly prepare one Jul 20 13:17:06 what for? Jul 20 13:17:16 restore broken-usb device Jul 20 13:17:47 (I could reflash my working one and get one but if someone has one ready, I would appreciate it) Jul 20 13:17:57 I seem to have "virgin/" though still might have some privacy data like WLAN password Jul 20 13:18:12 I don't mind sharing to you, not though to general public Jul 20 13:18:31 I won't come hack your LAN I promise Jul 20 13:18:33 :) Jul 20 13:18:48 k, wait a minute Jul 20 13:25:09 hey qwazix please can you give me the right deb link? Jul 20 13:25:14 I see a list Jul 20 13:25:18 sorry, no BM backup Jul 20 13:25:31 http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/ Jul 20 13:25:34 qwazix: I can create a BM backup I guess Jul 20 13:25:36 no prob, I'll clone my working device Jul 20 13:25:40 which one ? Jul 20 13:25:47 better that Jul 20 13:26:13 don't bother, I don't want to put the work I was trying to avoid on you. Jul 20 13:26:21 zammy, I think all of them Jul 20 13:26:37 zammy, sorry, no Jul 20 13:27:12 zammy, just a sec Jul 20 13:27:37 qwazix: wait! what's your problem? broken USB port? Jul 20 13:28:13 aah, you already answered that. sorry, a bit thick today Jul 20 13:28:48 I think I *ought* provide a virgin CSSU BM backup for general public Jul 20 13:29:03 zammy, http://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a Jul 20 13:29:23 but honestly, not too temped right now Jul 20 13:29:30 DocScrutinizer05, long story: bought broken-usb device used and I want to restore it Jul 20 13:29:42 :nod: Jul 20 13:30:01 my main one has u-boot and cssu-thumb and I'm afraid that cloning it may cause bootloop Jul 20 13:30:11 qwazix: buy a new port, or get a flashing jig, both are really work it Jul 20 13:30:16 indeed Jul 20 13:30:18 which might be hard to get out of without usb Jul 20 13:30:31 (break) Jul 20 13:30:41 err bootloop Jul 20 13:31:07 oko Jul 20 13:31:07 Hurrian, Port is in place, I tried sticking it better but I don't trust my soldering skills to try more Jul 20 13:31:15 ok qwazix Jul 20 13:31:18 thank you Jul 20 13:31:25 qwazix: ah Jul 20 13:32:03 anyway, I'll be alright with the broken usb because it's backup device, and I rarely use the usb on the main one anyway Jul 20 13:32:18 I just want to get rid of all data that are not mine Jul 20 13:32:21 qwazix: if you don't trust the backupmenu images floating around, unpack the PR1.3 fiasco Jul 20 13:32:38 with rescueOS installed, you can spend as much time as you want editing configs Jul 20 13:33:06 Hurrian, I can't even find one floating around Jul 20 13:33:10 BM imgs floating around? where? Jul 20 13:33:33 huh, wait, doesn't robbie have them on his website? Jul 20 13:33:51 samn900, http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/ Jul 20 13:33:51 nah, he has a fiasco with BM integrated Jul 20 13:34:20 http://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a samn900 Jul 20 13:34:30 meh, just replace /sbin/preinit with a vanilla one to skip bm Jul 20 13:34:43 and we damn sure should create *official* mirrors od stuff like BM, rescueOS etc Jul 20 13:35:12 Hurrian: a FIASCO Jul 20 13:35:28 DocScrutinizer05: whoops, mean BM image Jul 20 13:35:30 how ould anybody restore that via BM restore? Jul 20 13:35:55 fresh PR1.3, only non-vanilla thing is that BM is installed. Jul 20 13:36:56 yeah, but it's a flasher image not a backupmenu image Jul 20 13:37:05 and I can't flash due to no usb Jul 20 13:38:41 You could probably unpack the fiasco image with the flasher tool and then maybe tar.gz it up afterwards. *shrugs* Jul 20 13:38:47 qwazix: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ Jul 20 13:38:48 huh Jul 20 13:38:56 wonder what those are Jul 20 13:38:57 psycho_oreos: yep, most likely Jul 20 13:39:05 Hurrian, million thanks Jul 20 13:39:22 Hurrian: that looks excellent Jul 20 13:39:34 I didn't know that was there, I just saw the fiasco image on the thread Jul 20 13:41:44 honestly, I have to pester robbiethe1st if he needs *anything*, and then send it to him in a package he can't refuse to receive Jul 20 13:43:11 if HiFo and council is worth anything, then that. Make sure brilliant guys like Pali, Robbiethe1st, freemangordon don't miss any hw or stuff they need to carry on Jul 20 13:46:12 DocScrutinizer05, yep Jul 20 13:51:40 http://privatepaste.com/96530fe200 Jul 20 13:53:49 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ Jul 20 13:54:12 wtf, my N900 downloads at 80kb/s Jul 20 13:54:33 eeew Jul 20 13:55:06 qwazix: rather download via PC to uSD Jul 20 13:55:48 Yeah, it crossed my mind, but I saw the small overall size and I was too lazy to swap the μSD Jul 20 13:56:37 small overall size? only 155MB Jul 20 13:57:00 yeah, what's 155mb? I usually download that in a couple of minutes Jul 20 13:57:18 should still DL fine, via wlan and proper internet connectivity Jul 20 13:57:41 try my alternative as of above Jul 20 13:58:20 pc downloads at 600+ using the same WLAN Jul 20 13:58:26 dang, stack error. Somebody asked sth Jul 20 13:58:27 weird Jul 20 13:59:55 seems that got answered already Jul 20 14:00:26 ~seen robbiethe1st Jul 20 14:00:27 robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-148-53.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 11h 33m 12s ago, saying: '... of course, this is the wrong window, but meh'. Jul 20 14:03:23 ~listkeys BM Jul 20 14:03:25 Factoid search of 'BM' by key (20 of 174): bme ;; bmrt ;; country .bm ;; dbmaker ;; dubmed ;; garbmail ;; gdbm ;; ibm ;; ibm visualization data explorer ;; icbm ;; jargon ibm discount ;; netpbm (formerly pbmplus) ;; obm ;; pbm2 ;; pbm2ppa ;; pebmac ;; set xbmodder ;; typhoon rdbms ;; weathercode enbm ;; weathercode fabm. Jul 20 14:03:30 thought as much Jul 20 14:03:46 ~listkeys #maemo BM Jul 20 14:03:48 Factoid search of '#maemo BM' by key (3): #maemo bme-replacement #DEL# ;; #maemo bmo ;; #maemo bme-replacement. Jul 20 14:04:03 ~literal bm Jul 20 14:04:04 "bm" is "see backupmenu" Jul 20 14:04:16 o...K Jul 20 14:04:28 ~listkeys backupmenu Jul 20 14:04:30 Factoid search of 'backupmenu' by key (2): backupmenu #DEL# ;; backupmenu. Jul 20 14:08:18 ~#maemo bm-images is http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img Jul 20 14:08:20 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Jul 20 14:08:41 hey qwazix Jul 20 14:08:52 that has not helped Jul 20 14:08:54 ~bm-images Jul 20 14:08:54 [bm-images] http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img Jul 20 14:09:00 I mean I tried to install the deb Jul 20 14:09:07 but they were not compatible Jul 20 14:09:35 pastebin diagnostic output Jul 20 14:09:58 ~pastebin Jul 20 14:09:59 A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Jul 20 14:14:19 DocScrutinizer05; yep :) Jul 20 14:14:30 yep wut Jul 20 14:14:46 sorry, stack overflow Jul 20 14:14:57 rather, heap cleaned Jul 20 14:15:20 @ nokia rubber boots box Jul 20 14:15:21 context lost Jul 20 14:15:24 aaah Jul 20 14:15:39 :) Jul 20 14:16:41 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders when he had his last pair of rubber boots Jul 20 14:16:50 might be about time to get some Jul 20 14:18:04 actually I think that's ~40 years since I last had rubber boots Jul 20 14:18:35 http://enivax.net/jk/nokiabox.jpg Jul 20 14:18:52 AWESOME Jul 20 14:18:56 * ShadowJK gets back to mowing the lawn, in non-nokia boots Jul 20 14:21:23 no nokia boots on fleabay Jul 20 14:21:27 :-S Jul 20 14:22:06 >>More items related to "rubber boots nokia"<< Rubber Coated Cover Black For Nokia XpressMusic 5610... Jul 20 14:39:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Robbiethe1st urgently needs update Jul 20 14:58:13 LOLBWAHAHAHA Jul 20 14:58:18 jr@saturn:~/bin> file fiasco-gen Jul 20 14:58:19 fiasco-gen: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped Jul 20 14:59:20 IroN900:~# fiasco- Jul 20 14:59:21 fiasco-do-update fiasco-flasher fiasco-image-update Jul 20 14:59:47 scp fiasco-gen Iron900:/ Jul 20 15:05:05 *SIGH* Jul 20 15:05:07 ** PROBLEM Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** Jul 20 15:06:35 chem|st_: ANYTHING PENDING? that I should know of? Jul 20 15:09:12 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks Jul 20 15:10:32 root@talk:/var/log# du -h . Jul 20 15:10:33 6.1G ./apache2 Jul 20 15:10:39 root@talk:/var/log# df -h . Jul 20 15:10:41 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Jul 20 15:10:42 /dev/xvda 15G 15G 0 100% / Jul 20 15:12:48 6gb of logs? :o Jul 20 15:12:59 no more Jul 20 15:13:02 ;-P Jul 20 15:14:06 rm *.log.[12][0-9].gz Jul 20 15:14:39 root@talk:/var/log/apache2# df -h . Jul 20 15:14:41 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Jul 20 15:14:42 /dev/xvda 15G 13G 1.9G 87% / Jul 20 15:15:03 -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1637190584 Jul 20 15:14 access.log Jul 20 15:15:05 -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1713973601 Jul 14 06:27 access.log.1 Jul 20 15:15:28 yow Jul 20 15:15:38 indeed Jul 20 15:15:52 at least logrotate is working Jul 20 15:15:55 prolly time to give tmo a reboot Jul 20 15:16:11 logrotate LOL ;-P Jul 20 15:17:11 sorry, no other clue how to recover tmo VM from recent glitch, other than to reboot it Jul 20 15:17:21 or maybe Jul 20 15:17:23 ... Jul 20 15:17:32 seems everything back to normal? Jul 20 15:22:55 if you seem to encounter abnormal tmo behavior (VM, *not* lusers! ;-P), please holler Jul 20 15:23:26 ** RECOVERY Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is OK ** Jul 20 15:23:37 hi all Jul 20 15:23:53 I got no space left in rootfs and apt-get, any idea? Jul 20 15:24:11 you got no space left on apt-get? Jul 20 15:24:34 yes Jul 20 15:24:35 also in app manager Jul 20 15:25:13 sorry, this makes no sense. Maybe you meant "apt-get complains about 'no space left on rootfs'" Jul 20 15:25:32 yes Jul 20 15:25:42 thats right Jul 20 15:25:45 I can't install Jul 20 15:25:46 you filled rootfs with cruft Jul 20 15:26:02 when I run df -h , I see rootfs 0 space Jul 20 15:26:04 left Jul 20 15:26:15 sorry no way on earth to tell you which particular cruft that might've been Jul 20 15:26:39 maybe sth you installed and rather shouldn't have done that Jul 20 15:26:47 or you copied files to there Jul 20 15:26:59 or syslog filled up your rootfs Jul 20 15:27:26 there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system Jul 20 15:27:26 how can I get to roofs? I want to run du -h Jul 20 15:27:47 xterm, root, du -h Jul 20 15:28:02 300 updates and counting Jul 20 15:28:04 go windows! Jul 20 15:28:04 actually you don't even need root Jul 20 15:28:41 but I see that rootfs is only 270mb Jul 20 15:28:46 yes Jul 20 15:28:53 can I move it or expaend iT? Jul 20 15:28:57 that's as much as you possibly might get Jul 20 15:29:00 no Jul 20 15:29:25 how do people even manage to fill it up :< Jul 20 15:29:35 there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system Jul 20 15:29:48 where can I find what take space in rootfs? Jul 20 15:29:55 is it releated to apt-get? Jul 20 15:30:02 im pretty much at the bottom of responsible computer people, but that hasnt happened yet Jul 20 15:30:07 du -h / Jul 20 15:30:16 i did break partition tables on desktop PC last night and lost everything not backed up Jul 20 15:30:19 so \o/ Jul 20 15:30:50 DrCode: and no, most likely not related to apt-get Jul 20 15:31:16 unless you used apt-get to install some package that's not meant to get installed on N900 Jul 20 15:31:16 DrCode: you havent had that n900 for long right, and flashed it very recently Jul 20 15:31:32 so the timespan in which you could have screwed up isnt that large Jul 20 15:32:01 well, time for another reflash Jul 20 15:32:10 and backupmenu right away afterwards Jul 20 15:32:27 and keep making backups:P Jul 20 15:32:44 and stay away from root Jul 20 15:32:50 and apt-get Jul 20 15:32:53 DrCode: if you are only a little bit like me, expect to reflash more often :P Jul 20 15:33:10 dont go poking about if you dont really know what you are doing Jul 20 15:33:40 n900 is like windows, most of the time the answer is ´format it!´ Jul 20 15:34:35 user "user"'s $home is on 2GB eMMC. Nobody but root *can* write to / aka rootfs humble 240MB raw Jul 20 15:35:49 so unless you did wget http://some-huge-crap as root, in root's $HOME, I dunno how you could've messed it up Jul 20 15:36:04 thus: stay away from root and sudo gainroot Jul 20 15:36:37 best: unistall rootsh Jul 20 15:37:29 (and YES, uninstall all crap apps that claim to need it, too) Jul 20 15:38:26 you can simply fill it up by installing too much applications. Jul 20 15:38:52 hardly Jul 20 15:39:17 unless those were apps that never may have gone to extras repo Jul 20 15:39:58 no tested and rightfully promoted app may use up >50kB of / Jul 20 15:40:16 maybe 100 Jul 20 15:40:42 so even worst case you had to install several 100s of apps to fill up rootfs Jul 20 15:42:02 well, I have had a different experience. Maybe those were some extras-devel applications, non optificated, dunno. Jul 20 15:42:28 If anybody gets to know about any app in maemo-extras that eats more than 100kB of rootfs space, please let me know. Such app need urgent fix (optification) Jul 20 15:44:02 NIN101: you can't find any tested&promoted app in extras-devel, per definitionem Jul 20 15:44:14 yeah. Jul 20 15:45:33 DrCode didn't say whether he has extras-devels enabled or not. Jul 20 15:45:57 he didn't say much about what he did anyway Jul 20 15:46:44 as per general advice, you MUST NOT have extras-devel enabled on a per-default basis Jul 20 15:47:23 ~2119 Jul 20 15:47:23 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Jul 20 15:47:42 ~rfc 2119 Jul 20 15:47:43 well, rfc 2119 is Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels. S. Bradner. March 1997. (Format: TXT=4723 bytes) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) Jul 20 15:49:00 I don't care about this advice. and 90% of maemo users neither, Jul 20 15:49:12 your fault Jul 20 15:49:25 I know. I didn't complain. Jul 20 15:50:41 if maemo was healthy, extras-devel would probably indeed by bad to have enabled by default Jul 20 15:50:56 but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P Jul 20 15:51:37 so what? Jul 20 15:51:38 its probably smart to wear your seatbelt, even when driving to the local supermarket ;) Jul 20 15:52:10 so what as in if maeo was actually healthy and saw a lot of new applications incoming, extras-devel would be different Jul 20 15:52:20 do you suggest new users search the interwebs to find out which are those spotted apps? Jul 20 15:53:04 NB there's not even a general means to remove any app from extras-devel Jul 20 15:53:26 i suggest nothing Jul 20 15:53:37 whatever gets uploaded to there will likely stay until maemo goes down Jul 20 15:54:04 in theory you are very right Jul 20 15:54:12 in practice it just doesnt really matter Jul 20 15:54:22 until theory catches up;) Jul 20 15:54:29 sorry, Lava_Croft, I don't get the point of your statement >> but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P << Jul 20 15:54:32 I don't know Jul 20 15:54:41 how do I check it? Jul 20 15:55:09 meh, reboot loop! Jul 20 15:55:18 mmmph Jul 20 15:55:20 shit Jul 20 15:55:26 >_< Jul 20 15:55:54 DocScrutinizer05: after a while, you have probably installed a few broken things from extras-devel, thats what i meant Jul 20 15:56:12 life is tough around extremists Jul 20 15:57:45 is there youtube player? Jul 20 15:58:18 tried searching for youtube or tube or you in the app manager Jul 20 15:58:37 can search for 'cute' too! ;) Jul 20 15:58:51 ~packages Jul 20 15:58:57 ~pkg Jul 20 15:58:58 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jul 20 16:00:25 I did Jul 20 16:00:37 but it still dosnt play video Jul 20 16:02:52 last time I checked I had no issues playing lowres youtube videos in microB Jul 20 16:03:07 I tryied cute Jul 20 16:03:11 cute Jul 20 16:03:36 do I need to install flash or somthing? Jul 20 16:03:50 flash is installed Jul 20 16:05:31 strange , it dosn't play well Jul 20 16:05:58 I am thinking to refleash it and install it again Jul 20 16:06:12 cutetube works fine here Jul 20 16:06:23 what firmware to install? Jul 20 16:07:15 lava:last time U told me some appliction that sync gmail contacts and calander? Jul 20 16:07:28 somethinng call eminim? Jul 20 16:07:29 don't remmber the exct name Jul 20 16:07:39 no, i told about an app to sync calendar, called erminig or erminig-ng :) Jul 20 16:07:48 google calendar, not contacts etc Jul 20 16:07:53 yes Jul 20 16:08:01 erming Jul 20 16:08:02 sorry Jul 20 16:08:23 and contacts I can sync via mfe Jul 20 16:08:34